Typhoid Mary: The Bringer of Disease and Death
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I live in the Bronx and most of my deceased relatives are buried at St. Raymond’s Cemetery. I recently went to see Mary Mallon’s grave while I was there and to this day, for the sake of caution, the cemetery has left the two plots to the left and right of hers vacant so as not to disturb any possible typhoid bacteria. I think this is probably unnecessary but an interesting factoid about how she is isolated even in death.
That is interesting. But also kind of sad. I feel a lot of sympathy for her.
That's ridiculous of them to do and insulting to her family if she has any. It's extra ridiculous because typhoid can be cured with a round of antibiotics.
Hi Karen, that is so silly, really? What's the thinking she is dead so the disease is dead if the host is dead then the virus dies. it is sad that this poor woman was persecuted while alive for her immunity to a deadly disease in life but she also has it in death too. If the medical community were as smart as they thought they were they should have kept he blood and see if there was something in her blood that the people who died or got sick from the disease to find a cure for the disease. She never got sick at all so even though she was a carrier of typhoid there was something in her blood that was fighting it so she never got sick. insane story but its is also sad for this woman wouldn't you agree? she died alone from a stroke no one should die alone no one.
They didn't have antibiotics at that time jesus
@@ScootsMcPoot I'm talking about modern times.
"Not many people remember Mary Mallon."
No, but you don't forget a nickname like Typhoid Mary.
Should have called her Typhoid Titties Mary. More catchy
@@johnmarston3682 More like Typhoid Tramp
Everyone know her by that name only.
1.000th like, you don't see that everyday
Yep like Covid Karen
Everything I've read said that she never accepted that she was the cause of the illness.
She had her own private cottage on the grounds of the hospital, and when people came to visit her, she still always offered them food.
Reporters and anyone else who visited her had to be coached ahead of time not to accept anything she offered.
(I'm not 100% sure if that is true, but I've seen it reported multiple places.)
"she was found on the ground of her cottage paralyzed by stroke..." 18:08
At the time, there was no such evidence as we have today that would make her believe that. She was the first asymptomatic carrier of typhoid. And also at the time hand washing wasn't even standard practice for medical practices. Hindsight is 20/20
@@kimberlyaikens7642 no evidence other than the multitude of tests and doctors saying she was a carrier and causes deaths
@@bradenr867 Obviously you have a lack of understanding of how much medical science has progressed since that time. The quality of evidence was necessarily not what it would be today, and a lot of the evidence came along later on in her life, so that's also kind of important. A doctor's suspicion isn't evidence.
lmao sounds like a real-life underworld/fey food type situation. with the "dont eat anything they offer or theyll get you" and all
When i was little, our family kept coming down with strep. By the 3rd round, my doctor did some extra testing. My brother was a carrier. Once we included him in the treatment, we never had an issue again.
@Sludge what was the restaurants name?
streptochoccus [insert brothers name]
I know most people didn’t understand diseases in those days. But if I went from house to house and each time, it’s the same disease killing the people she worked for, you’d think at some point she’d catch on herself!? Did she really think “wow what a coincidence!”
In the end, she finally did.
It was a pretty common affliction back then and it's not like the outbreaks were back to back to back.. There's some time in between infections in many cases. I don't think it's as black and white and simple as some make it out to be. There's also the minds ability to convince itself of one thing, even if another is completely obvious to everyone else. People don't want to believe they are the bad guy and will develop justification in their mind, especially if it comes down to survival or making a living.
@@Stellarffxi yeah but once she was detained, tested, and told that she is a carrier, she still refused to accept it, fled, and spread more death. At that point all bets are off, she is not worthy of sympathy. Sure, she may have resigned in the end but how many people had to die because of her stubbornness?
@@aohige exactly my thoughts
@@aohige my thoughts too, the first cases were not directly her fault but after being told she had it over and over again, every death after that is her fault
So basically, she went viral.
(Rim shot)
It's caused by a BACILLUS, nor a Virus.(That kind of thinking/reaction fills medical facilities with non-emergency patients every Flu season.) But she was an active vector for disease.
@@Otokichi786 80,000 people died from the Flu last year in America. 100% of primary care physicians in America tell their patient's to go to the nearest ER if they are unable to examine them in person that report flu like symptoms.
Nice one Brian 👍🏽
Nice analogy, ha ha. But it is not a virus, it is a bacterial.
My god what a drama/horror show her life would make. I can't imagine what it was like being an Irish girl in America who never got sick with typhoid just constantly followed by plague. No wonder she was on edge all the time
typical irish huh
@@dorrisgonnawreckyou7111 yea, an everyday occurrence for us Irish women 😂
On top of the fact that even doctors didn't understand WHY she was a carrier, and being unable to support herself u ness she cooked. Well I can't put too much blame on her actions, though not 100% guiltless it's understandable why she refused to belive what she was being told and continued to cook.
" she's so much more then just to title her the ' bringer of disease ' "
Title of video : "typhoid Mary bringer of disease"lol
😂😂😂
Well yeah... She also brings death
She is also the bringer of peach ice cream
the title should be "Typhoid Mary bringer of disease and so much more."
He didadf the death bit tbf
Had a situation in Bangladesh... when the lady who was cooking for me asked me about her symptoms (I'm a healthcare professional). I had her take some blood tests and voila: Typhoid. Thank goodness I had been vaccinated and didn't develop the illness. She was much better a month later, but I had to dismiss her from cooking...
Isnt that entire culture almost like that?
Why dismiss her its completely curable? And you are healthcare professional 🙄🥶
Kenyetta Ready don’t be ignorant
@@anishabajracharya9283 temporarily i think he meant. I wouldnt want typhoid in my food.
@@anishabajracharya9283 typhoid tastes like death
"Typhoid is an old timey disease we don't really have to deal with these days"
California: "Am I a joke to you?"
Anti-vaxxers: "Yes."
Truly
You know you've gone terribly wrong when you're on the verge of a bubonic plague outbreak; way to go, California. Anti-vaxxers and feces covered streets workin' out for you?
You idiots actually think its anti vaxxers? Anti vax people have been around forever the only thing thats changed is demographics.
@@MrSh4des Migrant populations have always brought either new pathogens or new strains of existing ones; that's certainly a concern. The recent measles outbreak in central California (given geography and demographics affected) was almost certainly caused by anti-vaccination trends, based on all the data I've seen. California's issue is it's being hit by multiple societal factors at once that aren't being addressed by its government.
My mother nearly died as a child from typhoid in 1931. Being a depression-era child I am sure did not help her overall health.
Chantelle New my grandmother also had it when she was a child in the 1920s. Her father died from it.
I think the current thinking is that she was exposed to Typhoid at some point in her life and got a very mild case, but that left her with antibodies to fight the disease in her system already. Any subsequent exposure to the bacteria meant it would be eradicated in her system more swiftly due to the presence of the antibodies, but may still be active within her system to spread to an animal where it could be more active.
I also wonder if maybe it was normal flora for her after she had a mild case as you suggest. Some people have normal flora for nasty bacteria. Maybe that was just her normal
Like when cow pox eventually led to small pox immunizations. That would be interesting.
This is not how bacterial carriers work. She was a continuous source for the spread of the typhoid bacteria as she was permanently home to it. "Subsequent exposure" has nothing to do with it. Nor was there ever any complete "eradication". For some reason the bacteria stayed in her intestinal system for good, without causing illness, largely safe from the body's antibodies, as long as there was no marked inflammation or breach of mucosa. Samonella Typhi also only infects humans, animals cannot be infected and can as such not spread the bacteria to humans (but they can spread other Salmonella bacteria).
@@Hacks4FPS Well, she had a mild case, the antibodies were got made, and it killed off the bacteria, but with it being so common, she was probably reinfected plenty of times (hence the times they got latent negative results) and may not have practised the best hygiene so it infected other people. Either that or she became a host for it after having a mild case of it at some point and the body learned to live with the infection because it had enough antibodies hanging around to mitigate a large scale infection from taking place. This whole story, by the way, comes from a PBS American Experience programme dedicated to Typhoid Mary herself, which may be on RUclips.
@@riinak7212 "Either that or she became a host for it after having a mild case of it at some point and the body learned to live with the infection because it had enough antibodies hanging around to mitigate a large scale infection from taking place." Yes, that is much more correct. Salmonella Typhi survives in the gallbladder, away from the immune system and its antibodies, and gets re-introduced periodically by the gallbladder itself to the bowels. In her case, you can no longer call it an infection. She was a carrier and maintained a more or less stable population of the bacteria without any adverse effects. The negative cultures could perhaps have been taken after she hadn't eaten for a while or were false negatives, as a lot of our cultures are. They are far from foolproof, especially back then, but even now. I have never watched that documentary you mentioned, but I am speaking out of experience from medical school and working in the hospital's clinical biological lab.
You’ve met Bloody Mary, now get ready for:
"mary, mary / quite contrary / how does your garden grow...?" / "with sticks and stones ...and my victims' bones / yet they'll ne'er be able to nick me.... " [ or, some such ({; > ]
Mary Mary Quite Contrary how does your garden grow Ultra ponic ultra Super Sonic or does it grow naturally slow
Kabutoes that’s Mary Queen of Scotts
Lol
Typhoid Mary
I really liked how you and Kelly humanized her. You also did a great job bringing in Soper, showing his internal conflict and his defense of her. This was a great episode.
My dad always used to tell me "wash your hands, don't be Typhoid Mary" that's how I learned who she was.
Your dad sounds really smart!🙂
Your dad sounds so hot 🔥
@@BenDover-lz7zx your name explains your comment
When the Mary has a little lamb song came on I thought “she probably gave that lamb typhoid too”
Explains why it's *had*
Thats probably the scary truth behind the song like the other one's they just took the truth out so children won't be afraid of it and the song's would be family friendly.
kookieness oh Sorry it autocorrected 😅
Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb,
Mary had a little lamb, who died of typhoid too.
No she cooked him and served him which infected unknowing families.
Wasn't she quoted as saying that she didn't see the need to wash her hands while handling food?
YES! If she was going to keep cooking at the minimum she could have at least washed her hands. Washing hands is easy, quick, not a big deal or alot of work. I could see if they were asking her to do something extreme. Even if she didn't believe (or understand the science) them why not just wash you hands? Dirty hand do feel nasty & often look dirty so even if you didn't know about germs- you know about dirt.
@@k.anderson5039 you should watch hysteria... It's about sex toys invention but the doctor had hard time to make people cleaning their hands because invisible germs exist
Sounds like a Chinese restaurant cook
K. Anderson Even In the middle fucking ages poor people washed their hands as often as once a day, specially before cooking.
So inconsiderate from her not to do it while poor peasants did it!
@@pequenoperezoso3743 no...actually, people didn't wash their hands before handling food much, that didn't really become a thing until the 1950's. Yes people washed their hands, but not when they were making food or handling food, only if their hands were dirty.
My pity ends when she learned she was ill and went back to cooking anyway. Even after more people got sick.
She made it absolutely clear that quarantining her was the only way to keep innocent people safe. Her word to not cook was worthless. It doesn’t matter that she didn’t understand how this could be, and that it couldn’t be explained by science. It was the reality. Her vanity killed and maimed people.
you only think that way because you have education and a good understanding of scientific principles. To someone already being persecuted for her irish nationality, and having had one test come back negative, you can understand that she would feel they were lyin to her. In addition she was taken by force! Even today you can't force people into unwanted medical treatment or confinement unless it is for something like ebola. And when you have ebola you are too ill to even want to leave the hospital. So try to look at it from the context she was born into. YOu benefit from a huge amount of education and cultural shaping that she did not!
The surgeons used to never wash their hands/tools/change their clothes with dried blood on them cuz they didnt believe germs existed and that bacteria gave people infections and killed them. Even tho there were people in the scientific world who said it was clearly the cause of high patient mortality. The scientists were arguing the germ theory for such a long time(ego driven - who's right) many deaths could have been avoided. It was also around 1880-1890 when things started to change. It is easy to judge now when all we know is a proven scientific fact that we can Google.
Can you really not understand how different it was back that?!?! Ok, imagine being an innocent person now and u carry a disease but ur not sick. U have zero support from family and govt is a joke. More so then now. All u can do well to live is cook. U really can’t wrap ur head around that??
What other way did female Irish immigrants have to make money other than being a servant or prostituting themselves?
6:09 The mental image of this cracks me up. I'm just imagining this guy going "Hey I need some of your poop." Then having to run away from her as she chased him through the house with a carving fork.
This should be a movie. When she fought them during her kidnapping would be a funny scene.
Tiffany Smith
Took 5 police officers to drag her out of the house, and the female health inspector had to sit on her the entire way to the hospital.
The heath inspector compared the trip to “being in the same cage as an angry lion”.
Irish woman: * cooks for people who immediately get sick afterwards *
Matthew Hopkins, Witchfinder General: “Interesting...” 🧐🧐
Interesting username
swietoslaw Tak.
@@AtaMarKat Hmm jeśli jesteś z Polski to w sumie bardziej zrozumiałe że masz nick rogatywka :P
A z innej beczki to awatar z tech priest zawsze spoko. I masz ciekawy obrazek w tle swojego kanału ;)
Anirban Chakrabarti Nie Czerwona Hołota
Mrs. Beaton: Hmmm...
Such a sad story. Mary escaped her homeland to find a new life in a new world, probably was a really successful and passionate cook judging from her career history. Imagine finally being able to support yourself with a job you loved and worked for for years, just to be told suddenly that you can no longer do what you do and what you did done more harm than good.
Yeah, it is a sad story, all those people her selfishness killed.
She looked attractive in her photographs but the illustrations portrayed her rather plainly. I guess nobody looks their best cooking human skulls.
"Service people" from the paper boy to your postal mail carrier are as invisible, "moving shadows" then as now.
I look great.
Jeffrey Dahmer did.
That's why I only "service" people in the nude.
Bee Gee Thx for the info
Got Typhoid in Egypt. I was out of breath sitting. It was pretty awful.
How were you treated?
Oh man I bet that was rough!
You might be a carrier, quick, lock them up they say. Run while you can.
We shall call you typhoid Davey... not as nice a ring as Typhoid Mary
@@cbelow7755 You beat me to it
She was real?! I thought she was just a story my mom told me to make me wash my hands as a child.
Really? I was told stories about Syphilis Sarah to make sure I wrapped my salami before I put it in the oven. Salami is what we used to call penis and oven means vagina.
@@evilubuntu9001 XD
Hot topic in every health class in college
@@evilubuntu9001 dude you really didn't need to explain that
@@bridgetbenson6291 I don't need to drink my own urine either but it's sterile and I like the taste.
I can still remember how much the Typhoid vaccination shot hurt even 30 years later. They specifically asked which arm don't you use and you wont want to use it for about three days.
Still a lot better than the disease.
Either Typhoid or Rabies vaccinations, I’m doing Typhoid every time. Rabies and tetanus shots hurt so fucking bad.
They told me to take it in the arm I used most so it would work faster at creating antibodies for immunity and that soreness would go away faster.
@@neillenhart6838 yea except rabies is 100% fatal after symptoms develop, and typhoid is 10-30% without treatment, 1-4% with :)
>employers keep getting sick and dying
>keep having to find new work after having cooked for them
>"there is nothing wrong with me"
>She wasn't sick.
>She checked to a doctor, and the doctor said she wasn't sick.
@@saldan3985 And yet multiple people she worked for died shortly after and she even saw them get sick while she worked for them. She simply was ignorant.
I feel a certain level of sympathy for her, but at some point you’d think she would have realized that there was some truth to the idea that she was the cause when it popped up EVERYWHERE you go.
I don't. She was told multiple times that she was a carrier and that she couldn't work around food, but she did it anyways and continued to kill people. I got no sympathy for that.
"gastrointestinal distress", I just found my favorite substitute for diarrhea
:-)
‘What is typhoid fever’ cheery jingle in the background. Lovecraftien organism in the background
The father of horror would be affectionately disturbed.
I've been fascinated with this story since I first heard about it in high school. This is the most compassionate and complete telling of her situation that I've ever heard. Thanks for another great video, Simon!
I agree. It definitely made me empathize with her. Most of the time when this story is told it makes her out to be an extreme villain who refused to wash her hands even though she knew it would kill people -- which seems pretty far from the truth.
I never knew typhoid Mary was actually a person 😮
I think Simon should do a biographic about himself, I'd enjoy him talking about himself in the 3rd person.
That had been requested many times, he should save it for when he gets 1 mio subscribers. If he does't want to do it himself, he could let Mike from list25 to do it (they have worked together before). And I totally agree with you. C'mon Simon, don't be so modest, we always look forward to your videos!
He's too modest to admit he was raised by a coven of Ninja Nuns, and how he saved Earth from an alien invasion using Rubber Chicken Nun-chucks.
@@wonderweirdo6457 exactly
Nina Arleth he’s got 1 mil now
Yes, this would be an awesome show. Good idea
"There's Something About Mary"...☠☠☠🤮🤮🤮💀💀💀
😂😂😂
Who's watching during the coronavirus pandemic 2020?
When I heard the term asymptomatic, I thought of Typhoid Mary.
Me!
Moi!
This should be required viewing for everyone who isn’t quite getting that concept of asymptomatic contagion. Unfortunately, there seems to be a few who don’t.
Me
Me: Pint of Typhoid please, Mary.
Mary: Right you are my love!
With the way she moved around, seems like she atleast Noticed people getting sick constantly.
She probably thought since there were people that did not come into contact with her that also got sick, so in her ignorance she probably did not see a connection.
Working Mom I don’t know. Everywhere she went, the people she worked for got sick. In the Long Island case, it was just the people she worked for. Not the community. And so on.
maybe she wanted to get away from all those sick people!
Renee Brutvan every time she left was because of sick people. Only whom she served, not community. Ok
Renee Brutvan how many times until you think about it happens everywhere you go... and while families that you serve are ill?
I did a paper on her and quarantine laws. It is true that she never believed she was infected or hurt anyone, which just made things worse.
"' as typhoid is one of those old timey diseases not really talked about in modern times "'
*2019 San Francisco* "hold my beer"
That's what you get when everyone just shits in the streets like this is London in the 1800s. California politicians fail their cities and citizens.
@@timothyclark1754 You mean Democrats failed California.
Did anyone else 1st learn about Typhoid playing the OregonTrail when they were a kid playing on Dos.
The Organ Trail? Or do you mean the Oregon Trail? 🤣🤣🤣
w c thank guys damn auto correct
Not me
No, but I died of dysentery.
I lost my husband to typhoid playing oregon trail when I was a child. I never got married ever again!! Lol!
Damn i had typhoid like 8 years ago, i was hospitalized for 2 months plugged with seline. I had zero appetite the entire time and had lost all my weight and was left with zero energy. By the end of it, i slowly started to get high because of all the drugs i was prescribed, and in the last few days i started hysterically laughing for no reason. Thankfully, a day after that i gained a lot of appetite and slowly regained strength.
Staying at hospitals for months is really crappy. I think i got infected with can of cola, because i started getting a horrible headache righ after but it was a really harsh summer day here in Mumbai. So, i don't know the exact reason but I made sure to eat and drink only fresh food after that.
She has to be the first person to be documented as asymptomatic carrier of any illness out there since she frequently come up when I ask google for the history of asymptomatic carrier
She's a virus..... That's why she's famous.
Willie Preisig I care for a lady that was a carrier, along time ago. We had to barrier nurse her, the poor soul, and keep our vaccinations up to date. Very sad.
tapas panigrahi It’s bacterial.
She’s just the most popular and a recent story.
Christy T you have an odd definition of recent
I immediately stopped feeling bad when they told her she was sick and that cooking would infect others and yet she continued to do so, which means she KNOWINGLY infected those people.
Nowadays, we would call this manslaughter
Alex she thought she was the victim of racism. I can understand her view. Once she realized that she actually was the cause and not a scapegoat, she stopped.
@@Alice062993 They had to forcefully quarantine her. She did not stop, she only refused to fight when the police took her away a SECOND TIME.
Nowadays, she would be put on disability assistance so that she no longer had to work to support herself.
Manslaughter is a death happening on accident and unplanned. This was straight attempted murder in the 1st degree for each person infected and 1st degree murder for each death. (1st degree is pre-meditated)
@@end0skeleton778 Uh, no. She didn't plan to murder anyone. She didn't believe she was the cause of death. Understandable, no one proved it to her.
Now we definitely have to get a biographic on Sara Josephine Baker.
I like how eloquent the guy, who's going to have a test on her, at narrating his escape.
For some reason, this story always scared me.
Me too. Something terrifies me about contaminated food stories. You realise just how much trust you put into restaurants and other food services.
@@DrVein But considering the most you'd get from contaminated food today would be either salmonella which all of us have had at least once or ecoli which though a rough time is treatable with antibiotics what's to be afraid of.
Her excessive anger might mean that she already knew on some level, perhaps semi-consciously or subconsciously. And then, of course, there is always denial. Her's is a very sad story no matter how you choose to look at it.
nah she's just irish and stubborn lmao
Or maybe she had to leave her home country only to be marginallized in the US
Or the anger could have been masking pure and simple fear. Fear of these doctors unable to explain how she could be sick, and yet not be sick. Fear of persecution already dealt her for being Irish, fear of the mob of humanity judging her for trying to survive. Fear of having no livelihood. And yes, under all that, some fear that 'they' were right and facing a hopeless life without livelihood or friends.
Combination of things, most likely. The natural defensiveness of a minority faced with persecution, the anger at being told you can’t do the one job that lets you support yourself, and the people breaking the news were probably none too gentle about it either.
Or maybe she wanted to be left tf alone…
"and anywhere that Mary went, her lamb was sure to go.."
Is that really where that song came from!?
Such a sad tale. Typhoid is still largely unknown for how to combat carries like Mary. Could y'all imagine being her 120yr back? Great video, as always, Simon.
A video on Andrew Carnegie? That would be incredible.
I think they did one of Andrew Carnegie did you check the playlist?
@@TheEvilEve2012 they did not make a video about him. I have already checked
@@amit_druker6476 HUH well color me dumb I could have sworn they did. Whoops
The democrats would never want a video of Carnegie....
@@jasonbrisco i think you need to take a step back and relax lol
Tough situation - the health of the public needs to come first
or they could have taught her how to prevent the spread of infection. THere were epidemics of ecoli after WWII because house wives didn't know they should wash their hands after handeling chicken. People even died because of it. So we educated them. Did they help her find another means of supporting herself? no!
or they could have released her under the understanding that she would never cook for other people again and thus not be a danger... oh wait...
They did that! Thats right! and then she flat refused to listen to them AND changed her name, proving she knew what she was doing was in the wrong. Either A) she knew she was hurting people and just didnt care or B) she was willfully ignorant of the diseases her cooking was causing which in and of itself is no excuse.
She proved that they had to quarantine her because she flat Refused to take responsibility for what she was causing/doing.
Skool she wasn’t causing or doing anything. Typhoid was the reason for everything that happened. She never asked to carry this disease. She was absolutely vilified and all she wanted to do was make a better life for herself in America. Cooking was unfortunately all she knew how to do. What a cruel twist of fate...
Of course she didn’t want to be imprisoned in a hospital and crucified in the press, you wouldn’t want that to happen to you either.
Tell that to those that refuse to mask due to Covid abs were actively trying to make it spread… openly saying they didn’t care who they infected.
In the words of the great RUN-DMC
"Mary , Mary. Why you bugging?"
Beat me to it. I typed it out and scrolled down to find yours. I had to delete it lol
That was the jam.
Did someone drip you on your head as a child? How cruel and vile can you be?
Ingrid Dubbel get a fuckin sense of humor. People like you who attack someone for adding some humor to a shitty situation or subject when in no way is it directed at or affecting anyone personally shows the problem lies within you. Had he said something about the people afflicted with the disease and made fun of it then fair game but you wanna go after him for quoting a rap song that isn't offensive or directed at anyone individually or as a whole. Keep your opinions to yourself if you're gonna be internet police and just because you dont like something have to ridicule or attack someone else for having a different view or in this case just having a sense of humor on a dire subject.
@@tonyg-2jz82 Thanks Tony. If you also check Ingrid's account you would see nothing on it. It's a fake account. Therefore he/she/it is a troll with nothing to offer to anyone but a false life.
Troll + Fake account = no life = no self esteem = a nobody.
If Ingrid responds to this with an 'insult' or a 'defence' all that is negated by he/she/it first comment.
Great video Simon, your narration is always so pleasent to hear...
I absolutely love how your channel has evolved and grown.
You, good sir, are an excellent host. I love watching both your channels. Very educational, informative and entertaining. Thank you for all the hard work you put into both series.
I have heard of her. I remember seeing something about her on PBS or something that was interesting. It’s hard to imagine what she was going through because she could have stopped cooking and been able to live a normal life. However, because of her socioeconomic status that was probably very difficult.
The problem was anything "safe" she could do wouldn't pay the bills, and until the very end she refused to believe cooking really was dangerous for her.
Very well done, Simon, as usual!
Excellent job as usual! Very informative Simon!
Great video. I just so happened to have mentioned the case of Typhoid Mary to my wife yesterday so having this video pop up on my suggested video list is either a stroke of luck or disconcertingly coincidental. Alexa, have you been eavesdropping? Love you guys, keep up the good work.
Excellent work!
Great vid. Just discovered this. I’m hooked
I really feel for her. Keep in mind that at the time the research around what bacteria even was was very new and not widely understood even after it had become a household word. For Mary, who was not actively reading the newest medical research of the time and felt perfectly healthy, you may as well have accused her of magic. And yet, she took it upon herself to learn about bacteria and the spread of disease and went to a doctor for testing. At this point, one of the young children in the household she'd cooked for had died from the disease so can you imagine her relief when the doctor told her she had tested negative? Then a man shows up and not only tells her the test was wrong, but asks for samples of her fluids? A completely indecent thing to ask anyone, let alone a woman, in that age. In the end, she did seem to understand the science and accept her fate. And so through no fault of her own, a healthy woman was imprisoned on an island with the sick and dying for 23 years until her death; long enough to see her infamous legend circulate and become immortalized into our culture.
Not necessarily through no fault of her own - she was told she was a carrier and promised that she would no longer be in charge of handling food in various households where she might spread the disease, a promise she quickly broke, going right back to cooking and often caring for the sick directly which only made the illness spread and become worse. So, at that point, she had been told it was coming from her, she could see with her own eyes the fact that people all around her were always getting sick, and she had been told how to prevent that from happening and she chose not to. So, her imprisonment at the end was actually quite generous, considering she was basically a murderer at that point by having KNOWINGLY spread a deadly disease.
@@moonstruck8245 1. If they wanted her too take lower paying work, they should've paid for her not to work
2. Like was said in the vid, as far as she was concerned, she was just a scapegoat
@@richardhobbs7360 If I had a choice between being paid less and NOT killing people, or killing people and getting paid more, I'd take the less paying jobs! Personal responsibility is a thing.
@@moonstruck8245 See 2.
Also, that pay was very drastic, difference between streets and sheets
@@richardhobbs7360 She generally worked as a live-in to the best of my knowledge. Plus, she was killing people. Yes, it's sad that this happened to someone who probably never intended to hurt anyone, but if she was knowingly going into situations where people were dying because of her, there is no excuse in the world for that and she had to be locked up.
What if the typhoid is what made her cooking so damn good?
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A little typhoid goes a long way.
and that, friend, is the final piece of the puzzle.
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Mary was a woman who was given a bad break in life. Despite her just wanting to make an honest living and live a quiet and simple life, her bad luck was so astronomical that she was forced into a life where she was constantly being shunned and vilified. I think her being quarantined was the best option. Though it is not her fault that she was a carrier of a dreadful disease, it was for the greater good.
Everyone always willingly spouts for the greater good without truly imagining what that might be like if they were the one forced into a situation “for the greater good.” I’m not saying the public at large shouldn’t be considered, but the individual deserves consideration in the solution as well.
Simon - this was, in my opinion, one of your best pieces of work! Thank you!
I appreciate the presentation of her perspective.
This is the first time i have seen anything about her that took the time to try to see things from her perspective and not vilify her. I appreciate that.
This 20 minute video has given me more insight to her than all my years on the planet.
I love these old videos of Simon. It's great to see how he's changed over the years.
Great episode, really enjoyed it
As an American from Famine Irish stock who was raised to know my family's history, I want to thank Simon and the Biographics team for this very well researched portrayal. It's rare to find a historical breakdown that fairly and evenhandedly deals with the reality of anti-Irish prejudice at the time - often it's either whitewashed out of the picture or portrayed as an evil on a par with slavery/Jim Crow, when the truth is somewhere in between. Anti-Irish prejudice was real and widespread (especially in cities, for obvious reasons) so it almost certainly *was* a factor in Mary's reaction to the idea of being tested, and there were riots and occasional deaths, but as a general rule, the Irish were hardly being rounded up and smacked around (or worse). My great grandfather was referred to in his own obituary as "a remarkably honest and kind man, for an Irish Catholic," but he wasn't barred from owning and running his shoe shop. Anyway, well done.
That was a great point about the Irish racism of the time. I didn’t consider that.
As a retired medical professional, I dealt with this type of mind set: "my hands are clean, see." Dearly wished I could've ONCE said, Seriously, wow you can see microbes. Even super man only has X Ray vision." Willful ignorance is not a defense, thus each one has basic obligations to his fellow human, despite traditions, customs etc.
Sound like a-hole
Wow. Very informative, I liked this one a lot.
Thank you Simon!
"There's no real evidence to suggest that she believed she was the cause" then why did she change her name repeatedly?
Nathan, we believe you are guilty of murder. You're taken away thinking that you didn't do it because obviously you don't remember committing murder. But are released and asked not to commit murder again. You try to go back to life as normal. But the same people who believe you are a murderer are still following you.
It's easy to see in hindsight that she was asymptomatic, but as she was the 1st asymptomatic case discovered can you imagine how difficult it was for her to comprehend that she was the problem?
Because her name was blacklisted lol
Its funny how Simon randomly is way more understanding and bends over backward to be sympathetic here than for other people.
Fascinating - thank you!
It's fascinating how you describe creepy events yet your voice calms me down. Thank you. Aspie here🧸
Typhoid Mary: Thousands of people got sick and some of them died because of me.
Antivaxxers: Here, hold my beer.
Are we just going to ignore the fact that the sanitary engineer was called Soper?
Simon whistler u never cease to amaze me
Great informative Biography. Thanks for this one 🙂👍
I felt like Simon was yelling at me right when the video started all up in my face and what not.
It's hard for me not to have sympathy for Mary. Yes, she returned to food service after explicitly giving her word she wouldn't work in the industry anymore. And yes, she left sick and dying people in her wake. However it seems to me that she returned to the only profession she knew, desperate to have a normal life after her first detainment. What really saddens me is how resigned she was at the end. The poor woman was cursed and had to basically live in exile for the rest of her days, for reasons she still couldn't fully understand at the end.
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Nah, she could have at least washed her hands
All she had to do was not go back to cooking
Love your Bio's on Emperors and Tzars, the one for Emperor Franz Josef was outstanding, specially the discussion at the end.
Something else that I didn’t know that I wanted to know. Poor girl. Great job Bio team!!
Video subject suggestion: Eleanor of Aquitaine (please!)
Kate Grant YES!
I love the super happy music on the "What is typhoid" slide
Love your channel I discovered it this week and I can't stop listening to it. I loved the Malcolm X one. Can you please do one on Gaspar Yanga. More people need to learn about him. Thank you
I really enjoy ur videos especially ur narration ☺️ as u keep up the great work I will continue to be a subbie and watch👍
Thankyou for such a sympathetic telling of Mary. I read a fictionalised version of her story many years ago and it illustrated her humanity very well- the poverty she faced when unable to cook, her loneliness when in quarentine. It really highlights the need for education and understanding in the face of epidemics.
I always feel a sense of gratitude towards Simon for these concise and objective history lessons, but the truth is I realise I should also do the same for the people behind the scenes, not least of which would be the Author, D Kelly, so thank you D Kelly, whoever the heck you are.
Love this channel.
this was very interesting.ive heard of her but not the full story.good job.
Hey, a video on Voltaire would be very interesting @biographics
My great grandmother and great great grandmother died from typhoid in 1924. Grandpa would talk about his mother and get upset because of how badly she suffered when she passed away.
I always enjoy your videos!
Great video!
And even today, restaurant workers have to be told to wash their hands after using the bathroom. The sign is right there in the bathroom and I wonder how many make a decent hand washing effort. Five seconds of water on your hand ain't cutting it!
AND THE AWARD FOR THE MEANEST HISTORICAL NICK NAME GOES TO
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Phillip the Phlatulent Duke of Caledonia.
Aethelred the Unready
Sancho the Fat and Władysław the Elbow High.
@DurexDurpaneu2 lol thanks, I remember being bored late at night making this just for kicks, went to bed and forgot about it. Next day I boot up the PC this thing is staring at me I knew I had to use it for something
Hi from scotland 🏴 this is a really interesting video. Love biographics 👍👍😁
great episode! can I suggest you make a bio about Cicero?