I must say between yours and average Jack archery are my favorite channels, alway humble and speaking truth. No catering to the youth generation with music and cheesy slang talk....keep up the great work and once again congrats on that SD bison
Just got my 100 gr solid 1 inch in the mail. Went out and shot one at 20 30 and 40 and they absolutely shoot like my field points but my bow is also tuned. Your vidoes is why i buy different heads lol. So far the sevr 1.75 have been my favorite. After watchimg your videos on them i had to get them a d was really surprised on how tuff they are i took 3 deer this past season with the same sevr head
I shot the XL 175 grain this year. Shot a doe a few days ago and she ran ten yards and stopped to look around at what the noise had been (my shot) and then fell over. Took like 6 seconds.
I'm a new bow hunter. I just bought last year's BowTech solution SS. My basement is big enough to shoot in and I'm loving it so far. These were the first broadheads I'm going to buy, thank you for doing this video. I live in Wisconsin so I thought it'd be cool to buy a broad heads from Minnesota. I shoot the Muzzy HBX out of my crossbow.
Dang, u didn't mess around... U went straight for the top of the line bow.. good for u... I have ah bowtech convergence ( mid price bowtech offering) it's ok, I ordered it offline... I wish I would have went to ah shop and tried it out first tho... I don't really like the grip
I just got these with my mathews phase 4, 65lb draw. They grouped right with my field points from 20 out to 60 yds. The box I got came sharp out of the box. Will be hunting this weekend and after Christmas, but no kill info yet. Comments seem pretty positive though. I feel super confident with this setup
Man, after dozens & dozens of shots into concrete, it was bound to happen at some point. It didn't go far. Not a malfunction--just a lot of use under extreme conditions.
I had the original tooth of the arrow 125 grain heads a few years ago. I shot two deer with them, and they killed just fine and penetrated well enough, but both broadheads came out with bent blades and neither was a pass-through. I ended up switching broadheads due to the durability issues. I really like the look of these non-vented heads and might give TOTA another chance.
Yeah, the solid blades are a lot tougher on angled shots. The vented held up well with frontal impacts, like my testing does. But hitting bones at angles is a completely different issue. I expect these to be more durable.
I am having a hard time deciding on which head to purchase for my first elk hunt. I am stuck between the ozcut elite 3, annihilator xl, and TOTA. All 125 gr. Total arrow weight is 525gr. They all got 10 golden arrows last year so I know they'll all work, but I was just curious what you would choose in the 3-4 blade, one piece head, in the $15-20 per head range. Love the channel. Keep up the good work
Man, those are all good choices. And I'd add in the Slick Trick SS3. This year, my scoring system will make the number of 10s very very low. With your arrow weight, if you're wanting a one piece head, I'd go with the TOTA solid. They penetrate and fly as well as those others, but man, they punch a nice hole. At one point, for elk, I had the first 2 arrows in my quiver as TOTA XLs, then the next 3 were the 1". I figured on a closer shot, I could use the XL and get an even bigger hole...then if I had a longer shot, I'd go with the 1". But I'd be confident using any of the heads you mentioned.
Don’t buy the ozcut I got some and they were so dull out of the box it wouldn’t even cut skin I went from ozcut elite to tooth of the arrow and it’s not even close tooth of the arrow is razor sharp and they shoot great the ozcuts shot horrible penetrated horribly we had an outfitter here in Montana bring 4 packs back for the same reasons I had don’t do it
I'd definitely go with the Solid and the size would depend on the animal I'm hunting and the distance of the shot. Bigger animal and longer distance--1"; shorter distance and smaller animal--XL.
Thanks for the review. Looks like they'll get the job done. I was wondering what sharpness you consider adequate? I come from the school of hold the rubber band taunt and if it cuts by just touching it sharp enough. Your method much more sophisticated. So these were 200 after shooting. Would that be good to go again? Is there a number you look for?
200 is extremely sharp, and 300 after the penetration test is really good. A lot of heads that people hunt with come from the factory around 350 or 400. On deer sized game or hogs I would say that it's good to go again, but on something like elk I would probably touch it up a bit.
Yeah, 200 is very sharp. You can look in the Vid Description to see how the scale works. I like heads to be under 300 before I hunt with them..but it depends on the bevel angle.
I have noticed over a period of time that you favor tooth of the arrow in your 70+ tests in 2021 & harvesting that beautiful bison out west . I have spoken with the owner LUKE on a couple of occasions with favorable feedback.. The question that I have for you presently John is it possible to create these broadheads in a single bevel blade technique,,, i.e.- a right bevel with right wing feathers for desired accuracy, penetration and bone cutting…
John, great video and review as always. I would love to see a video of your thoughts (or even some testing) of arrow weight, FOC, single bevel vs double bevel penetration, energy transfer, etc. I’ve been doing a considerable amount of testing but would love have your engineering perspective and personal experience on some of those areas.
Thank you. Good comments. I have done a vid of a Single Bevel VPA vs a Double Bevel VPA--it was a really interesting Broadhead Battle to compare those two.
Would love to see Stay Sharp make their sharpener again. I believe the Tooth of the Arrow sharpener is only one grit. A changeable grit sharpener would get these scary sharp
Ordered the XL (1 3/16”) solids the day they were introduced. I really liked the XL vented, but in my testing I had blades get pretty beat up at times. My guess this might be why they are now doing solids. One of THE BEST spinning broadheads out of the box. Literally perfect without any insert readjustment. I also have the same sharpness tester and 200 is really good out of the box and retention of 300 is above average in my opinion. 300 is higher than many straight out of the box! Just wish there was a better option than the TOTA sharpener, I own it and I am not a fan. Anyone else know of something better? Does Stay Sharp have something that can sharpen a one piece four blade? Thanks for the test JL!
I'm looking for a broadhead for my crossbow that doesn't plain and flies more like a field point. Would something like this fly better than the single bevel that they make? Or, is there a fixed-blade broadhead that you can recommend? I'd like better accuracy. I just subscribed I've been binge watching your videos. Great content.
The best you can do with a crossbow is a top tier mech-like the Sevr Robusto. Zero planing and a huge cut and very durable head. Check out my tests on Sevrs. If you’re wanting a fixed, then a Tooth of the Arrow 1” 4 blade is a great choice.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures They had their Black Friday 30% off sale on Sevr's website store-wide. So, I grabbed 6 of the Robusto and their 21" HD target. 202 dollars total with your $5 discount code. :)
I really in-joy your show add the way you test the different broad heads. I have one request can you measure the size of the hole in the steel plate after you shoot into it. This is so we the viewer can see the diameter of the hole which that specific broad head made . I just purchased the QAD Exodus 125 grain and i was thinking of purchasing the Tooth of the Arrow 150 grain solid broad head. Could you please measure the two holes in the steel plate and get back to me. thank you
Thanks for the comment. The hole is really going to be the same as the diameter of the heads--can't be larger & can't be smaller. But the center of the hole is the issue. Some heads make a wide punch cut out of the center; It all depends on the angle of the tip as it connects with the blades. Exodus & TOTA and other one piece heads all make solid punch cut holes.
Great videos, excellent analysis. Question: I watched several of your videos now and it seems like most of the broadheads you review are rated as good, with a nod going to the QAD Exodus. How do we sort through all of the comments to see what broadhead will best fit our needs? Is there a spreadsheet that combines your results? I am looking to drop in draw weight next season due to some physical issues, i.e., 70lbs to 55lbs. Because of this, I was going to go from a mechanical broadhead to a fixed blade setup with a higher FOC than I currently shoot. Once my bow is tuned I expect my broadheads and field points to be similar out to 40yds but they do not have have to be identical only group just as well. For hunting purposes, I am not concerned about anything beyond 40 yds. How do use your testing work to settle on the best broadhead for what I will be shooting?
Thank you. I posted a link to an excel spreadsheet with all the test scores of my 2021 testing--it was last December and was called something like Broadhead Test Scores & Summary 2021. I will be doing the same this year, with my new test regimen. My tests rate things like flight, penetration, sharpness, edge retention & durability. Each person has different bow/arrow specs and is pursuing different sized animals, so a specific recommendation varies with each person. My goal is to select a head that will be accurate at my shot distance, give me a good chance at a pass through, not bend or break while it is passing thru an animal, and will retain its edge...and one that can do all that while having the widest cut possible. That's a lot of dynamics to juggle, but the testing helps. For fixed blade options with your set up, if you're pursuing elk and smaller game, I would recommend the Exodus or Tooth of the Arrow. A lot of heads can work just fine, but those two really balance all the important requirements very well, and are in the normal price range. Iron Will makes incredible heads as well, but are quite a bit pricier. Hope that helps.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for your quick and through reply. I will be hunting Whitetail deer, so either of those heads should be fine. Thanks for the recommendation. Just subscribed. Looking forward to your future videos. :)
I’ve watched a ton of his videos. This is the only one that you could clearly see the shaft fail. Some of the ones that bounced backwards too quickly may have failed, or some may have developed small cracks, but this is the only catastrophic fail out of all his videos. Bishop Arrows are a completely different level of premium equipment. Expensive, but damn near indestructible.
@@officerfoxtrot3633 I’ve seen one splinter in another video, I just can’t remember which one. I’m not knocking bishop arrows at all. The fact they survive the concrete tests at all is impressive.
Another great video, considering giving these a try, I like the wasp sharpshooters but didn’t have a lot of blood or a large entry and exit holes with em with last years deer
I've never had a blade break...but I've only used the 125 or 175 gr models. The Solids will be stronger in the blades--same thickness but more support.
They're both great, but I prefer the XL for whitetail. If you have a lighter set up, then the 1" is best, cause the XL makes a bigger hole but penetrates a bit less.
Interesting. I tested the S-series against originals and two other 2 blade heads I had. One of those 2 blade heads had bleeders. I used my 48# longbow and the new S-series out penetrated everything every time so it’s interesting that at much faster speeds, the originals out penetrated the new series.
Those looked like a super stout head. I just wonder how sharp you can get them. I love how sharp I can get the Exodus, but I also like single piece machined heads.
They're a machined, hardened steel collar by Bishop Archery. They work extremely well. But pretty much anything will work with these heads...they make such a nice hole.
Got the TOA solid blade 125 grain 1" broadheads a few weeks ago. Field point quiet and accurate. Waiting to get them in 1-3/16"...any any day now. Great product, and a great review as always. 👍
I shot a vent 125 gr XL through a nice 8 pointer at 33 yds this year. It went through the on-side scapula and out above it's elbow on the off-side and stuck in the ground. He went exactly 30 yds and piled up. The broadhead spins true and I was able to resharpen without issue. Mileage may vary. I know John has already tested them before with his old standard. Maybe switch to the solids? I bet that would take care of your issue. That is unless they bent at the ferrule. Good luck out there! -Love from NH
I've tested all of the vented heads as well. They perform very well. But on an angled shot, or hitting a heavy bone at an angle, any blade can get fairly damaged. The Solids will be a bit more durable on those kind of shots.
Thanks for your review and being so thorough. Trying to decide what I’m gonna use with my Matthews V3X set at 43 lbs gonna test exodus Magnus Stinger 2 blade and Montecs and these look really good
@@bowdude33 I’ve shot exodus last 2 years and killed 5 deer with them. Furthest tracking job was 100 yards and one arrow actually blew completely through 1 shoulder bone and went like 15 yards on 3 legs tripped and died so I’d say very effective
I just shot a mouflon sheep last week with the 125 grain solid xl 4blade and it blew threw and hit lava rock on the other side and is in perfect condition, just needs touch up sharpening. I dont know why but I have a hard time buying any broadhead thats not 4 blade, they just work man.
Good info as always. Obviously your trips aren’t public knowledge but would’ve been great to meet with you while you were in Custer. Just a few kliks from the back door lol congrats on your Bison
Gotta say , I actually have killed a deer with the older vented style. Now I didn't hit any bone. But had a complete pass though at 80yrds. The toothofanarrow actually held up great. Had a little ding in one blade and it sharpened right up plus didn't change the flight. I was pretty impressed with them
Don't want to hear any crap about taking an 80 yrd shot. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. But I took it because I live in a state where cover wasn't great, and I was nailed by the buck and there was no way to get closer. But also I practiced out to 110 yrds every day for many mo. Although I have faith in not just my equipment but in my self. Not only did I kill that deer but it was a heart shot. The deer ran 25 yrds maybe, but I am one that doesn't believe the deer suffered for 25 yrd. I believe the deer actually died, as soon as my arrow stopped his heart. From there nerves & adrenaline carried it 25 yrds. Living in a high desert area, sometimes you just don't have the ability to get as close as we all would like. Even though I was successful on that hunt. I've changed my mind on shots like that. I've decided even though I can make that shot. I think I'm going to limit myself to 50 yrds max. My only real regret on that hunt was not turning on my camera . But I did have a friend standing 10 feet away who saw it. His exact words were, "That was the coolest thing I've ever seen!"
They're both really good heads. I prefer the bigger holes that the Tooth of the Arrows make, given the 4 blades...especially the XL version of the TOTAs.
If you kept the bevel as it is, you can still get them quite sharp--sharp enough, in my mind. If you make the bevel too thin, the edge will be too weak...especially with this steel.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures tooth of the arrow sells a sharpener for their broadheads let's say that sharpener gets the broadheads incredibly sharp that would be a huge selling point.
I haven't shot a solid model yet 😕 😅 😬 guess I'll be buying some I hope they match cause my arrows are exactly 28 inches from nock valley to tip of broadhead.
Well, they have such different dimensions...I usually only do Battles when they have the same dimensions. However, with my test procedures being identical for every head, you can just compare the scores of each and see how they stack up.
Good question. I like both...these fly slightly better and make a nice square hole; the Exodus make a slightly wider hole. Replaceable blades make it easy to keep them sharp too, for the Exodus. But having a single chunk of steel is appealing too :)
I'd like to. I reached out to them and they said they don't have any made yet, but production will come out in early summer and they will send me some then.
Isn't that head being short and stout like that not really ah good thing? In terms of penetration? I always hear ranch fairy talking about ah wheelchair ramp. Ah long slow taper,U want ah good mechanical advantage and this doesn't seem to be that?
You could say that, but in real world hunting and shooting it really doesn't matter. The broadhead that penetrated best in both test last year was the RAD Rival. It's just a simple 3 blade design with replaceable blades. Truthfully it reminds me a lot of the Muzzy Trocar. So in theory yes that 3 to 1 design may be better but in the real world there's not really a measurable difference. The only thing you can guarantee with a long narrow head is something that will bend or break easier. Honestly a lot of Ranch Fairy's theories don't seem to hold up well in modern compound bow hunting.
Yeah, 3:1 is great for wheel chair ramps...but has little to do with something moving at 280 fps. "Mechanical advantage" is way over rated for today's high speed bows.
Short and stout is better all around. Less noise, less air drag, less bone and flesh drag, more accurate, better penetration, significantly stronger. Ranch Fairy knows a thing or two, but the 3 to 1 hypothesis that probably originally came from Ashby just isn't holding up in John's and others' tests.
I must say between yours and average Jack archery are my favorite channels, alway humble and speaking truth. No catering to the youth generation with music and cheesy slang talk....keep up the great work and once again congrats on that SD bison
Thank you Logan!
Just got my 100 gr solid 1 inch in the mail. Went out and shot one at 20 30 and 40 and they absolutely shoot like my field points but my bow is also tuned. Your vidoes is why i buy different heads lol. So far the sevr 1.75 have been my favorite. After watchimg your videos on them i had to get them a d was really surprised on how tuff they are i took 3 deer this past season with the same sevr head
That’s so encouraging to hear. Thanks for sharing that, and congrats on the harvests!
I shot the XL 175 grain this year. Shot a doe a few days ago and she ran ten yards and stopped to look around at what the noise had been (my shot) and then fell over. Took like 6 seconds.
That's the goal! Congrats on a successful hunt.
@@Sapper_Rage shot two more this week, same results.
Nice
I'm a new bow hunter. I just bought last year's BowTech solution SS. My basement is big enough to shoot in and I'm loving it so far. These were the first broadheads I'm going to buy, thank you for doing this video. I live in Wisconsin so I thought it'd be cool to buy a broad heads from Minnesota. I shoot the Muzzy HBX out of my crossbow.
Dang, u didn't mess around... U went straight for the top of the line bow.. good for u... I have ah bowtech convergence ( mid price bowtech offering) it's ok, I ordered it offline... I wish I would have went to ah shop and tried it out first tho... I don't really like the grip
Nice. good luck!
I just got these with my mathews phase 4, 65lb draw. They grouped right with my field points from 20 out to 60 yds. The box I got came sharp out of the box. Will be hunting this weekend and after Christmas, but no kill info yet. Comments seem pretty positive though. I feel super confident with this setup
Nice!
These are the only heads I’ll probably ever shoot. Cheap, dependable and flat out perform
Yep.
Really like new test. One of my favorite broadheads. 125 vented worked great on elk this year.
Nice!
I was not surprised at the results of the testing. I have tested the 175-grain version and am very impressed with them.
Yep, they're tough.
Let's See how far that insert shoved into that splintered smashed arrow end??? Looked like some major malfunction
Saw that right away. That component system didn’t like that particular sudden stop very well!
Man, after dozens & dozens of shots into concrete, it was bound to happen at some point. It didn't go far. Not a malfunction--just a lot of use under extreme conditions.
Thanks John for the video I normally shoot the QAD Exodus and love this head but the TOA has also got my attention
Thanks. I love both of those heads.
I had the original tooth of the arrow 125 grain heads a few years ago. I shot two deer with them, and they killed just fine and penetrated well enough, but both broadheads came out with bent blades and neither was a pass-through. I ended up switching broadheads due to the durability issues.
I really like the look of these non-vented heads and might give TOTA another chance.
Yeah, the solid blades are a lot tougher on angled shots. The vented held up well with frontal impacts, like my testing does. But hitting bones at angles is a completely different issue. I expect these to be more durable.
I am having a hard time deciding on which head to purchase for my first elk hunt. I am stuck between the ozcut elite 3, annihilator xl, and TOTA. All 125 gr. Total arrow weight is 525gr. They all got 10 golden arrows last year so I know they'll all work, but I was just curious what you would choose in the 3-4 blade, one piece head, in the $15-20 per head range. Love the channel. Keep up the good work
Man, those are all good choices. And I'd add in the Slick Trick SS3. This year, my scoring system will make the number of 10s very very low. With your arrow weight, if you're wanting a one piece head, I'd go with the TOTA solid. They penetrate and fly as well as those others, but man, they punch a nice hole. At one point, for elk, I had the first 2 arrows in my quiver as TOTA XLs, then the next 3 were the 1". I figured on a closer shot, I could use the XL and get an even bigger hole...then if I had a longer shot, I'd go with the 1". But I'd be confident using any of the heads you mentioned.
I sure appreciate the input! Great job with the channel
Don’t buy the ozcut I got some and they were so dull out of the box it wouldn’t even cut skin I went from ozcut elite to tooth of the arrow and it’s not even close tooth of the arrow is razor sharp and they shoot great the ozcuts shot horrible penetrated horribly we had an outfitter here in Montana bring 4 packs back for the same reasons I had don’t do it
Great video as always 👍 if you had to pick one between TOTA, which one would you pick? Solid, vented, original, or xl?
I'd definitely go with the Solid and the size would depend on the animal I'm hunting and the distance of the shot. Bigger animal and longer distance--1"; shorter distance and smaller animal--XL.
Great testing! Thanks for bringing awesome content and happy hunting!
Thank you Kyle.
Another great video. Wish they would release a 150gr. They skip it and go from 125 up to 175gr. Seems like would be really easy to do a 150 too.
They are launching 150s soon
150s are coming.
They are in! Just ordered them!!
Just watched a clip of Joe Rogan talking about your channel and this video thought that was awesome
I saw that. Pretty cool.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures definitely made an impression. You do make some great videos but it does make me keep buying new broadheads lol
Another great review! I dont know how anything can top that performance. I’m impressed 👍🏻
Thank you Chad.
Awesome video! Wow it opens up my eyes
Thank you
Thanks for the review. Looks like they'll get the job done. I was wondering what sharpness you consider adequate? I come from the school of hold the rubber band taunt and if it cuts by just touching it sharp enough. Your method much more sophisticated. So these were 200 after shooting. Would that be good to go again? Is there a number you look for?
200 is extremely sharp, and 300 after the penetration test is really good. A lot of heads that people hunt with come from the factory around 350 or 400. On deer sized game or hogs I would say that it's good to go again, but on something like elk I would probably touch it up a bit.
Thanks for reply. Papa Johnsy
Yeah, 200 is very sharp. You can look in the Vid Description to see how the scale works. I like heads to be under 300 before I hunt with them..but it depends on the bevel angle.
I have noticed over a period of time that you favor tooth of the arrow in your 70+ tests in 2021 & harvesting that beautiful bison out west . I have spoken with the owner LUKE on a couple of occasions with favorable feedback.. The question that I have for you presently John is it possible to create these broadheads in a single bevel blade technique,,, i.e.- a right bevel with right wing feathers for desired accuracy, penetration and bone cutting…
I really like them. I suppose you could, but not sure it would be worth the effort. As it is, they make quite a devastating wound channel.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures thank you 😊..I agree
John, great video and review as always. I would love to see a video of your thoughts (or even some testing) of arrow weight, FOC, single bevel vs double bevel penetration, energy transfer, etc. I’ve been doing a considerable amount of testing but would love have your engineering perspective and personal experience on some of those areas.
Thank you. Good comments. I have done a vid of a Single Bevel VPA vs a Double Bevel VPA--it was a really interesting Broadhead Battle to compare those two.
Awesome, testing & video as ALWAYS......
I wonder John,,,if the FAD - could be used as a crossbow shaft ???
Maybe, especially if you added the weight tube...but I don't know enough about crossbows to really comment on that. Sorry.
Would love to see Stay Sharp make their sharpener again. I believe the Tooth of the Arrow sharpener is only one grit. A changeable grit sharpener would get these scary sharp
I use different grit sandpaper on top of the tota sharpener. I have a set of 175non vented that will shave hair
Ordered the XL (1 3/16”) solids the day they were introduced. I really liked the XL vented, but in my testing I had blades get pretty beat up at times. My guess this might be why they are now doing solids. One of THE BEST spinning broadheads out of the box. Literally perfect without any insert readjustment. I also have the same sharpness tester and 200 is really good out of the box and retention of 300 is above average in my opinion. 300 is higher than many straight out of the box! Just wish there was a better option than the TOTA sharpener, I own it and I am not a fan. Anyone else know of something better? Does Stay Sharp have something that can sharpen a one piece four blade? Thanks for the test JL!
Yeah, it just wasn't cost effective for them.
I'm looking for a broadhead for my crossbow that doesn't plain and flies more like a field point. Would something like this fly better than the single bevel that they make? Or, is there a fixed-blade broadhead that you can recommend? I'd like better accuracy. I just subscribed I've been binge watching your videos. Great content.
The best you can do with a crossbow is a top tier mech-like the Sevr Robusto. Zero planing and a huge cut and very durable head. Check out my tests on Sevrs. If you’re wanting a fixed, then a Tooth of the Arrow 1” 4 blade is a great choice.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for the reply. I'll give the Sevr Videos a go. 👍
@@LuskArcheryAdventures They had their Black Friday 30% off sale on Sevr's website store-wide. So, I grabbed 6 of the Robusto and their 21" HD target. 202 dollars total with your $5 discount code. :)
Im starting to hear alot of negative about tooth of the arrows here recently..have you heard these rumblings?@@LuskArcheryAdventures
I really in-joy your show add the way you test the different broad heads. I have one request can you measure the size of the hole in the steel plate after you shoot into it. This is so we the viewer can see the diameter of the hole which that specific broad head made . I just purchased the QAD Exodus 125 grain and i was thinking of purchasing the Tooth of the Arrow 150 grain solid broad head. Could you please measure the two holes in the steel plate and get back to me. thank you
Thanks for the comment. The hole is really going to be the same as the diameter of the heads--can't be larger & can't be smaller. But the center of the hole is the issue. Some heads make a wide punch cut out of the center; It all depends on the angle of the tip as it connects with the blades. Exodus & TOTA and other one piece heads all make solid punch cut holes.
Great videos, excellent analysis. Question: I watched several of your videos now and it seems like most of the broadheads you review are rated as good, with a nod going to the QAD Exodus. How do we sort through all of the comments to see what broadhead will best fit our needs? Is there a spreadsheet that combines your results?
I am looking to drop in draw weight next season due to some physical issues, i.e., 70lbs to 55lbs. Because of this, I was going to go from a mechanical broadhead to a fixed blade setup with a higher FOC than I currently shoot. Once my bow is tuned I expect my broadheads and field points to be similar out to 40yds but they do not have have to be identical only group just as well. For hunting purposes, I am not concerned about anything beyond 40 yds. How do use your testing work to settle on the best broadhead for what I will be shooting?
Thank you. I posted a link to an excel spreadsheet with all the test scores of my 2021 testing--it was last December and was called something like Broadhead Test Scores & Summary 2021. I will be doing the same this year, with my new test regimen. My tests rate things like flight, penetration, sharpness, edge retention & durability. Each person has different bow/arrow specs and is pursuing different sized animals, so a specific recommendation varies with each person. My goal is to select a head that will be accurate at my shot distance, give me a good chance at a pass through, not bend or break while it is passing thru an animal, and will retain its edge...and one that can do all that while having the widest cut possible. That's a lot of dynamics to juggle, but the testing helps. For fixed blade options with your set up, if you're pursuing elk and smaller game, I would recommend the Exodus or Tooth of the Arrow. A lot of heads can work just fine, but those two really balance all the important requirements very well, and are in the normal price range. Iron Will makes incredible heads as well, but are quite a bit pricier. Hope that helps.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for your quick and through reply. I will be hunting Whitetail deer, so either of those heads should be fine. Thanks for the recommendation. Just subscribed. Looking forward to your future videos. :)
How many concrete tests do you average before the arrow shaft fails? That’s a crazy amount of pressure and abuse they withstand.
I’ve watched a ton of his videos. This is the only one that you could clearly see the shaft fail.
Some of the ones that bounced backwards too quickly may have failed, or some may have developed small cracks, but this is the only catastrophic fail out of all his videos.
Bishop Arrows are a completely different level of premium equipment. Expensive, but damn near indestructible.
@@officerfoxtrot3633 I’ve seen one splinter in another video, I just can’t remember which one. I’m not knocking bishop arrows at all. The fact they survive the concrete tests at all is impressive.
They are amazing arrows. Each one can handle as many as 30 shots or more into concrete at 5 yds before I get a breakage. That’s impressive.
Another great video, considering giving these a try, I like the wasp sharpshooters but didn’t have a lot of blood or a large entry and exit holes with em with last years deer
These are worth a look...the XLs will make an even bigger hole. I'll be testing them soon.
What kind of outsert are you using? I like the look of it vs the huge outserts
It’s actually an insert with a machined steel collar, made by Bishop Archery
Hi,
For your penetration tests, how many shots did you make per broadheads?
Only one. I don't have enough heads and materials to do multiple shots with each head.
i purchased 3 100gr vented original size and had 2 out of 3 brake a blade upon harvesting a deer. did you experience that?
I've never had a blade break...but I've only used the 125 or 175 gr models. The Solids will be stronger in the blades--same thickness but more support.
For whitetail which would you recommend the 100gr 1” solid or the XL?
They're both great, but I prefer the XL for whitetail. If you have a lighter set up, then the 1" is best, cause the XL makes a bigger hole but penetrates a bit less.
Do you find that the 1” or 1-3/16” fly better?
The 1" for sure. The smaller the profile, the better the flight.
Interesting. I tested the S-series against originals and two other 2 blade heads I had. One of those 2 blade heads had bleeders. I used my 48# longbow and the new S-series out penetrated everything every time so it’s interesting that at much faster speeds, the originals out penetrated the new series.
Thanks for sharing that.
Those looked like a super stout head. I just wonder how sharp you can get them. I love how sharp I can get the Exodus, but I also like single piece machined heads.
You can get them plenty sharp, in my opinion.
Can you tell me what collar you are using with these heads and do you recommend them with this head
They're a machined, hardened steel collar by Bishop Archery. They work extremely well. But pretty much anything will work with these heads...they make such a nice hole.
Really like this broadhead Brother! I think it will be awesome on my crossbow bolts .thx for sharing
Thank you Richard.
Great review John , interesting heads
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Got the TOA solid blade 125 grain 1" broadheads a few weeks ago. Field point quiet and accurate. Waiting to get them in 1-3/16"...any any day now. Great product, and a great review as always. 👍
Nice!
Would be a good show down between this and the Annihilater XL.
Yep.
Was that a FAD Eliminator?! How did you break it?
YES! A rare occurrence--but after all those shots it was bound to happen sometime.
I think it would be interesting to test the vented lineup. I found they bent on two different deer this year. Great video!
I shot a vent 125 gr XL through a nice 8 pointer at 33 yds this year. It went through the on-side scapula and out above it's elbow on the off-side and stuck in the ground. He went exactly 30 yds and piled up. The broadhead spins true and I was able to resharpen without issue. Mileage may vary. I know John has already tested them before with his old standard. Maybe switch to the solids? I bet that would take care of your issue. That is unless they bent at the ferrule. Good luck out there! -Love from NH
I've tested all of the vented heads as well. They perform very well. But on an angled shot, or hitting a heavy bone at an angle, any blade can get fairly damaged. The Solids will be a bit more durable on those kind of shots.
any way to set up a smoke machine in a tube to check aerodynamics between broadheads? just an idea. great reviews!!
That would be cool...but I have no idea how to do that. I'm just a full time Pastor doing this in my basement :)
@@LuskArcheryAdventures you do wonderful work thank you.and you do great reviews also.
Thanks for your review and being so thorough. Trying to decide what I’m gonna use with my Matthews V3X set at 43 lbs gonna test exodus Magnus Stinger 2 blade and Montecs and these look really good
Yep...they penetrate extremely well.
I have the exodus now but I’m considering these solid 100’s! What did you end up going with and how did they work for you ??
@@bowdude33 I’ve shot exodus last 2 years and killed 5 deer with them. Furthest tracking job was 100 yards and one arrow actually blew completely through 1 shoulder bone and went like 15 yards on 3 legs tripped and died so I’d say very effective
I just shot a mouflon sheep last week with the 125 grain solid xl 4blade and it blew threw and hit lava rock on the other side and is in perfect condition, just needs touch up sharpening. I dont know why but I have a hard time buying any broadhead thats not 4 blade, they just work man.
Good to hear that and not surprised. Congrats!
Good info as always. Obviously your trips aren’t public knowledge but would’ve been great to meet with you while you were in Custer. Just a few kliks from the back door lol congrats on your Bison
Wow. That's cool. Sorry I missed you. Beautiful country!
Gotta say , I actually have killed a deer with the older vented style.
Now I didn't hit any bone. But had a complete pass though at 80yrds. The toothofanarrow actually held up great. Had a little ding in one blade and it sharpened right up plus didn't change the flight. I was pretty impressed with them
Don't want to hear any crap about taking an 80 yrd shot.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. But I took it because I live in a state where cover wasn't great, and I was nailed by the buck and there was no way to get closer. But also I practiced out to 110 yrds every day for many mo.
Although I have faith in not just my equipment but in my self.
Not only did I kill that deer but it was a heart shot. The deer ran 25 yrds maybe, but I am one that doesn't believe the deer suffered for 25 yrd. I believe the deer actually died, as soon as my arrow stopped his heart. From there nerves & adrenaline carried it 25 yrds. Living in a high desert area, sometimes you just don't have the ability to get as close as we all would like. Even though I was successful on that hunt. I've changed my mind on shots like that. I've decided even though I can make that shot. I think I'm going to limit myself to 50 yrds max. My only real regret on that hunt was not turning on my camera . But I did have a friend standing 10 feet away who saw it. His exact words were, "That was the coolest thing I've ever seen!"
Very good! Congrats!
Are you sharpening between shots
Nope
Would you prefer the 1” or the XL for whitetail?
The XL for sure. I've taken a good number of animals with both, but love the hole size of the XL.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures do you have a favorite fixed broadhead for whitetail?
Curious to see what you think is better between these and the annihilator broadheads
They're both really good heads. I prefer the bigger holes that the Tooth of the Arrows make, given the 4 blades...especially the XL version of the TOTAs.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures How well did those tooth of the arrow fly out at long-distance especially the extra large
I will probably go with the 125 grain solids next time. Have a quiver full of the vented ones for now!
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Good test. Great broadband.
Thank you
Cool video. "Square Chunk" 🔥😎 👍
Thank you :)
Would be nice to compare the decibel differences btw the vented and non-vented. Maybe you could add that bext time
Yeah, I've considered that; I wish I had some sort of a sound proof chamber that would eliminate ambient noise, so I could do that effectively.
I wonder how sharp a sharpener would get those blades.
If you kept the bevel as it is, you can still get them quite sharp--sharp enough, in my mind. If you make the bevel too thin, the edge will be too weak...especially with this steel.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures tooth of the arrow sells a sharpener for their broadheads let's say that sharpener gets the broadheads incredibly sharp that would be a huge selling point.
I haven't shot a solid model yet 😕 😅 😬 guess I'll be buying some I hope they match cause my arrows are exactly 28 inches from nock valley to tip of broadhead.
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Do you think the vented flys better?
I would say there is a slight advantage, theoretically...but I could not tell.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures which would you purchase if you had to choose one
Looks a lot like the annihilator nice looking head
Short & solid--similar in that way for sure.
Would love to see a Tooth Of The Arrow vs QAD Exodus video!
Well, they have such different dimensions...I usually only do Battles when they have the same dimensions. However, with my test procedures being identical for every head, you can just compare the scores of each and see how they stack up.
Should be an awesome penetrator on tough old hogs. Even with a mid weight arrow ( 450 gr.)
Yep.
Wonder how these compare to qad exedus
Good question. I like both...these fly slightly better and make a nice square hole; the Exodus make a slightly wider hole. Replaceable blades make it easy to keep them sharp too, for the Exodus. But having a single chunk of steel is appealing too :)
Thanks for the review
Thank you Chris.
The other plus of the Solids is they sell them in 150g and a 175g now.
Yep. I tested the 175 a while back.
I’m suprised that at 30 yards you were that far off of your field points, mine shoot just about dead on with field points on my ravin
Well, that was at 40 yds with a vertical bow. That’s within my margin of error. They shot very well- a 2.5” group at 40 yds is really good for me.
Do the Rek 4 blade please!
I'd like to. I reached out to them and they said they don't have any made yet, but production will come out in early summer and they will send me some then.
This is the only razor I'll shoot anymore
Nice.
Wow
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Looks like the arrow got destroyed in the block test
just a little bit
Yes! After dozens & dozens of shots into the concrete, that one finally gave way :(
Isn't that head being short and stout like that not really ah good thing? In terms of penetration? I always hear ranch fairy talking about ah wheelchair ramp. Ah long slow taper,U want ah good mechanical advantage and this doesn't seem to be that?
You could say that, but in real world hunting and shooting it really doesn't matter. The broadhead that penetrated best in both test last year was the RAD Rival. It's just a simple 3 blade design with replaceable blades. Truthfully it reminds me a lot of the Muzzy Trocar. So in theory yes that 3 to 1 design may be better but in the real world there's not really a measurable difference. The only thing you can guarantee with a long narrow head is something that will bend or break easier. Honestly a lot of Ranch Fairy's theories don't seem to hold up well in modern compound bow hunting.
Yeah, 3:1 is great for wheel chair ramps...but has little to do with something moving at 280 fps. "Mechanical advantage" is way over rated for today's high speed bows.
Short and stout is better all around. Less noise, less air drag, less bone and flesh drag, more accurate, better penetration, significantly stronger. Ranch Fairy knows a thing or two, but the 3 to 1 hypothesis that probably originally came from Ashby just isn't holding up in John's and others' tests.
Wobble Wobble 👶 Wobble my cod in archery would chuck the one you spun up how many have that much wobble in a pack of three
I've never really had a problem with their spin...maybe some exceptions, but I've gone thru several dozen of these over the years.
Dissapointed in their edge retention
After which shot?
Yeah, the steel is 45 Rockwell.