This video is exactly why I love this channel so much. This is a deep dive into something I was interested in and covers all the details and then some to make me more knowledgeable on purchasing this machine. Thanks again for another great video.
Great tips! I would have mentioned power supplies. It's hit or miss whether they will come with the unit or not. It's usually noted, but a lot of people don't know to look out for that.
And also: you need the official power supply, apparently. You can't just source a compatible voltage power supply and plug connector, because HP looks for low-voltage identifier pin. (Apparently it's easy to remedy if you can solder a resistor internally)
@@ArtofServer I saw you are selling it on eBay. I am in Canada and I may buy it from you. What do I do if I want to increase the RAM or storage? Can it be done? I am talking about the specific one you posted on your eBay account. How about AES-NI support?
@@NetITGeeks Yeah, regarding RAM upgrade, checkout this video: ruclips.net/video/pV1iPJ6vmhE/видео.html And yes, AES-NI support works... one of the reasons why this is a great option for pfsense.
yeah, these are great for that type of use too. Also, take a look at the T730 thin client as well, it's a more powerful machine but still very low power.
The R3 in it isn't too great for video playback, it'll work for low end stuff, but it'll struggle with higher end videos, and the R3 is horrible with RUclips, the GT 1030 fixed that, but if pared with a GT 1030 it pretty much can handle most kinds of videos even high bitrate UHD videos. And the funny thing is that it can do lite gaming as well (I use mine to play elite dangerous and American truck simulator). It'll also do emulation pretty decently.
Thanks for your excellent video. Today I purchased HP T620Plus with the bracket on ebay. So far I have tried HP EliteDesk and ProDesk, now I am going to shift HP Thin Client. If possible, I want to install Windows 10. I expect that the machine is the enterprise or digital license and also HP products are very easy maintenance without tools.
The T620+ is plenty powerful for win10, quite the uberkill for a firewall. Using it as a 15W desktop makes a lot more sense in my opinion. Can even be fitted with a PCI Graphics card for heavy gaming (together with a desktop PSU) where the 4X CAT5 port card is originally. Secondly, it is not a mSATA port internally in the T620+ you are pointing out but a mini PCIe port, and it is only wired for serial to connect to a mini PCIe wifi, modem or network card, so it won't work with a mSATA SSD or a mini PCIe SSD either (both mSATA and mini PCIe use the same connector, but they are different and a lot of people mistakes the two). You can solder on a mini PCIe connector and a few SMD resistors to make it work if you got the kind without. Thirdly, the Display Port has digital audio, so if you buy a Display Port to hdmi adaptor , you have an excellent set top box or silent PC.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree, these machines are versatile and surely can be used in many different ways. Although, i'm not sure about adding a GPU with a desktop PSU is practical, but there are GPUs that will run without extra power and work just fine. That said, I think you're mistaken about the mSATA vs miniPCIe. There is a miniPCIe for a wifi adapter, and that's at the lower left corner in the video. The "mSATA" that i point to that is missing in Rev B boards, is in fact mSATA. I have a Rev A system i run with a mSATA SSD in that port that I use as a cache drive; so I've confirmed this fact. I also have a another unit with the wifi card in the miniPCIe slot, so you are right that there is a miniPCIe slot, but it is not the same as the mSATA slot I pointed out as the difference between Rev A vs Rev B.
@@ArtofServer Sorry, yes, I thought you were pointing at the white connector next to the CPU which is only fitted to some. The flash rom is plugged into a mSATA connection or a m.2 connector on models after 2014: www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t620/
the GX-420ca when it comes to gaming just lacks the grunt for heavy gaming, for lite gaming its decent. the GT 1030 will be the best that you can fit into the T620 plus. i own a t620 plus with a GT 1030 (the DDR5 version) and the CPU performance is a pretty big hindrance. anything faster than a GT 1030 would be a waste as the CPU is just too slow to push a higher end GPU (the CPU cant even push the GT 1030 in games) i mean it will play elite dangerous at 720p with a mix of high and medium settings but you'll see stuttering galore especially around a station, performance by yourself is not too bad it hovers around 50-60, but framerate tanks when near a station, and is decent when in an SRV on a planet. performance in fortnite is not too good, i had to cap the framerate at 30 as the CPU just cant keep up even at 720p and lowest possible settings. it plays world of warships at 720p with low settings pretty decently. it'll play halflife 2 with ease you'll see triple digit framerates most of the times , it'll play COD MW2 with a slight hint of performance degradation on larger maps, CS:go is pretty unplayable with framerates in the 20s-30s it does run Windows 10 decently, but it can get a little sluggish at times for no apparent reason , but besides that it surfs the web pretty decently, will do 4k video with ease thanks to the gt 1030 (the on board iGPU just couldn't do 4k video, which is why i slapped a GT 1030 in it) , its really quiet even at full load which makes an awesome HTPC.
@Womb Raider The only thing I haven't tried, is to get audio from the Displayport, rest is good info. It is not an mSata connector, it wont work. www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t620/plus.shtml It is the exact same motherboard as the T620 without the "+", just some of them has not all the connectors fitted. www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t620/ I swear on my grave, this is a PCIe connector.
Good info ! Lego part is indeed awesome:) Now I would like to ask if possible to make a close-up photo of the VGA cable for the part number and connection details. I have bought recently one with 2 serial ports, rev B of course and the DISPLAY ports were not active/or might be defective. Adding a video card does not solve the problem. The unit was booting up but only from onboard video card. So I had to measure all the 16 pins from the VGA header found on the motherboard. Finally I got the partial pinout and got the VGA signal displayed on a monitor. However I would like to have the complete schematics of this small VGA cable which is nowhere to be found. Not by type, not by part number. Thanks a lot for the instructive video. Mounting the "stand on foot" for the horizontal position was also new for me, like built in surprise :) Cheers !
@@ArtofServer This is more than perfect! Many thanks ! I will also try to finish the cable chematics, I have for now the RGB, grounds and Vertical, Horizontal Sync. With these signals you can run a monitor but I would like to have the complete cable schematic. For sure this info will be helpful for a lot of other 620 TC owners. many thanks !
I just bought one of these to turn into a Linux box, what's the best single slot SFF video card I can get for these... I'd prefer nVidia but if theres a good amd one that's fine too
Okay... I got my HP t610 plus thin client.. trying to install pfsense, and it won't find my ethernet cards :( EDIT: Good news and bad news.. good news, is that xubuntu detects my ethernet cards... and the Broadcom port is indeed a wired ethernet plug (thank goodness, was gonna say I was thinking that was my wifi).. the bad news is, unfortunately my 4 port ethernet card (HP NC375T) doesn't detect.. odd..
@@CJ-9314 if you're talking about this one: www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-4GT-LP.html , then no, it won't fit even though it is low profile, it looks to occupy two PCI slots. the T620 Plus only has a single low profile PCI slot.
@@CJ-9314 1050 is too big, it has to be half height and single slot and the only one of the two that's half height and single slot is the 1030. The other thing you have to be aware of is the power supply, it's only 90 watts, and the 1050 requires a lot more power than what the power supply can handle. Another thing is many of the coolers (especially the fan less 1030 is a dual slot design which is too big as the heatsync sticks out too far which is why it's called a two slot) much like the 1050 listed above. Also make sure when getting a 1030 is to buy the gddr5 version and not the ddr4 version.
That said. You know of any wifi cards, preferably USB 3.0 (or pcie is fine too if I must) that works in pfsense? I'm sure I can get any old USB 3.0 gigabit ethernet adapter and it'll work in pfsense right
what were they using that DB-25 for in 2019? are there point of sale hardwares that need that? LPT and PCIE in the same motherboard. how bizarre! Why no AT keyboard DIN plug? That stand doesnt look too hard to 3d print... or just wrap the ethernet cables aroud a nail and dangle the whole thing by the ethernets. 4 of them ought to take that weight just fine!
This video is exactly why I love this channel so much. This is a deep dive into something I was interested in and covers all the details and then some to make me more knowledgeable on purchasing this machine. Thanks again for another great video.
Awesome, thank you!
Great info. The LEGO part was awesome
Great tips! I would have mentioned power supplies. It's hit or miss whether they will come with the unit or not. It's usually noted, but a lot of people don't know to look out for that.
That's a good point about the power adapter! Thanks for watching!
And also: you need the official power supply, apparently. You can't just source a compatible voltage power supply and plug connector, because HP looks for low-voltage identifier pin. (Apparently it's easy to remedy if you can solder a resistor internally)
Thank you so much. I am looking into buying this for Pfsese.
Glad you found it helpful! :-) thanks for watching!
@@ArtofServer I saw you are selling it on eBay. I am in Canada and I may buy it from you. What do I do if I want to increase the RAM or storage? Can it be done? I am talking about the specific one you posted on your eBay account. How about AES-NI support?
@@NetITGeeks Yeah, regarding RAM upgrade, checkout this video: ruclips.net/video/pV1iPJ6vmhE/видео.html
And yes, AES-NI support works... one of the reasons why this is a great option for pfsense.
I noticed these machines and wanted to make a low end living room pc, this is very handy.
yeah, these are great for that type of use too. Also, take a look at the T730 thin client as well, it's a more powerful machine but still very low power.
I saw that and noticed one with 2 cores? Which chip has more cores on the t730?
The R3 in it isn't too great for video playback, it'll work for low end stuff, but it'll struggle with higher end videos, and the R3 is horrible with RUclips, the GT 1030 fixed that, but if pared with a GT 1030 it pretty much can handle most kinds of videos even high bitrate UHD videos. And the funny thing is that it can do lite gaming as well (I use mine to play elite dangerous and American truck simulator).
It'll also do emulation pretty decently.
@@madmax2069 its fine for 1080p RUclips h264ify
Thanks for your excellent video. Today I purchased HP T620Plus with the bracket on ebay. So far I have tried HP EliteDesk and ProDesk, now I am going to shift HP Thin Client. If possible, I want to install Windows 10. I expect that the machine is the enterprise or digital license and also HP products are very easy maintenance without tools.
Glad this video helped! :-) Congrats on the T620! I love these little machines!
Hi!
What about the Storage Drive in the VGA port version of revision B?
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Lol... Sheesh!!
I know this is old but can't you reverse the fan and place the unit upside down if you don't have the stand ?
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Really useful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
would like to get a hold of one with the sata connection.
The one I have currently in my eBay store is a rev A unit with the mSATA.
The T620+ is plenty powerful for win10, quite the uberkill for a firewall. Using it as a 15W desktop makes a lot more sense in my opinion. Can even be fitted with a PCI Graphics card for heavy gaming (together with a desktop PSU) where the 4X CAT5 port card is originally. Secondly, it is not a mSATA port internally in the T620+ you are pointing out but a mini PCIe port, and it is only wired for serial to connect to a mini PCIe wifi, modem or network card, so it won't work with a mSATA SSD or a mini PCIe SSD either (both mSATA and mini PCIe use the same connector, but they are different and a lot of people mistakes the two). You can solder on a mini PCIe connector and a few SMD resistors to make it work if you got the kind without. Thirdly, the Display Port has digital audio, so if you buy a Display Port to hdmi adaptor , you have an excellent set top box or silent PC.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree, these machines are versatile and surely can be used in many different ways. Although, i'm not sure about adding a GPU with a desktop PSU is practical, but there are GPUs that will run without extra power and work just fine.
That said, I think you're mistaken about the mSATA vs miniPCIe. There is a miniPCIe for a wifi adapter, and that's at the lower left corner in the video. The "mSATA" that i point to that is missing in Rev B boards, is in fact mSATA. I have a Rev A system i run with a mSATA SSD in that port that I use as a cache drive; so I've confirmed this fact. I also have a another unit with the wifi card in the miniPCIe slot, so you are right that there is a miniPCIe slot, but it is not the same as the mSATA slot I pointed out as the difference between Rev A vs Rev B.
@@ArtofServer Sorry, yes, I thought you were pointing at the white connector next to the CPU which is only fitted to some. The flash rom is plugged into a mSATA connection or a m.2 connector on models after 2014: www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t620/
the GX-420ca when it comes to gaming just lacks the grunt for heavy gaming, for lite gaming its decent. the GT 1030 will be the best that you can fit into the T620 plus. i own a t620 plus with a GT 1030 (the DDR5 version) and the CPU performance is a pretty big hindrance. anything faster than a GT 1030 would be a waste as the CPU is just too slow to push a higher end GPU (the CPU cant even push the GT 1030 in games)
i mean it will play elite dangerous at 720p with a mix of high and medium settings but you'll see stuttering galore especially around a station, performance by yourself is not too bad it hovers around 50-60, but framerate tanks when near a station, and is decent when in an SRV on a planet.
performance in fortnite is not too good, i had to cap the framerate at 30 as the CPU just cant keep up even at 720p and lowest possible settings.
it plays world of warships at 720p with low settings pretty decently.
it'll play halflife 2 with ease you'll see triple digit framerates most of the times , it'll play COD MW2 with a slight hint of performance degradation on larger maps, CS:go is pretty unplayable with framerates in the 20s-30s
it does run Windows 10 decently, but it can get a little sluggish at times for no apparent reason , but besides that it surfs the web pretty decently, will do 4k video with ease thanks to the gt 1030 (the on board iGPU just couldn't do 4k video, which is why i slapped a GT 1030 in it) , its really quiet even at full load which makes an awesome HTPC.
Yep runs Windows 10 easily
@Womb Raider The only thing I haven't tried, is to get audio from the Displayport, rest is good info. It is not an mSata connector, it wont work. www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t620/plus.shtml It is the exact same motherboard as the T620 without the "+", just some of them has not all the connectors fitted. www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t620/ I swear on my grave, this is a PCIe connector.
where to buy the 4port ethernet card?
eBay?
Would it be suitable for web browsing and light gaming if I add in a gt8800 graphics card
I think so, but I don't know as I've never done it.
Good info ! Lego part is indeed awesome:)
Now I would like to ask if possible to make a close-up photo of the VGA cable for the part number and connection details.
I have bought recently one with 2 serial ports, rev B of course and the DISPLAY ports were not active/or might be defective.
Adding a video card does not solve the problem. The unit was booting up but only from onboard video card.
So I had to measure all the 16 pins from the VGA header found on the motherboard.
Finally I got the partial pinout and got the VGA signal displayed on a monitor.
However I would like to have the complete schematics of this small VGA cable which is nowhere to be found. Not by type, not by part number.
Thanks a lot for the instructive video. Mounting the "stand on foot" for the horizontal position was also new for me, like built in surprise :)
Cheers !
I'll see what I can do about that, since I don't have one with VGA port right now. I might get some soon so if I do, I'll try to help.
@@ArtofServer This is more than perfect! Many thanks ! I will also try to finish the cable chematics, I have for now the RGB, grounds and Vertical, Horizontal Sync.
With these signals you can run a monitor but I would like to have the complete cable schematic. For sure this info will be helpful for a lot of other 620 TC owners.
many thanks !
HP Parts is an Option.
I have found repair/spare parts for HP computers by this method.
parts.hp.com/hppartsIGSO/Default.aspx?
Useful video!
Glad it was helpful!
I just bought one of these to turn into a Linux box, what's the best single slot SFF video card I can get for these... I'd prefer nVidia but if theres a good amd one that's fine too
it would have to be a low profile GPU... maybe Quadro P400?
@@ArtofServer either that or a gt 1030.. which would be better
Okay... I got my HP t610 plus thin client.. trying to install pfsense, and it won't find my ethernet cards :(
EDIT: Good news and bad news.. good news, is that xubuntu detects my ethernet cards... and the Broadcom port is indeed a wired ethernet plug (thank goodness, was gonna say I was thinking that was my wifi).. the bad news is, unfortunately my 4 port ethernet card (HP NC375T) doesn't detect.. odd..
van i use thinclient as normal pc or android tv box?
try it and let us know! :-)
I've bought 3 low profile nic ,none of them fit cutout in the back, too thick, can anyone point me to a known good card? Thanks
I usually use HP version of Intel i340-T4 NICs.
@@ArtofServer I thought that's what I had? NC375T.
@@craigcoffman69 no. It's NC365T
Awesome thanks for your time/ help!
could a gtx 1030 or 1050 fit in these?
Are there any that are low profile?
@@ArtofServer
msi gtx 1050 ti is low profile
@@CJ-9314 if you're talking about this one: www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-4GT-LP.html , then no, it won't fit even though it is low profile, it looks to occupy two PCI slots. the T620 Plus only has a single low profile PCI slot.
@@CJ-9314 1050 is too big, it has to be half height and single slot and the only one of the two that's half height and single slot is the 1030. The other thing you have to be aware of is the power supply, it's only 90 watts, and the 1050 requires a lot more power than what the power supply can handle.
Another thing is many of the coolers (especially the fan less 1030 is a dual slot design which is too big as the heatsync sticks out too far which is why it's called a two slot) much like the 1050 listed above.
Also make sure when getting a 1030 is to buy the gddr5 version and not the ddr4 version.
@@ArtofServer you would need to set it up on the outside of the computer with it's own power supply
Would this support a dual SFP+ nic?
You can install one, but I don't think it will perform well...
Does Rev A & B have the M.2 slot?
yes, both Rev A and B have the M.2 slot for the factory flash SSD.
what model nic did you use
Various brands (HP, IBM, etc.), but I usually choose one based on the Intel i340-T4 chipset as it is the most energy efficient 1Gbps NIC.
@@ArtofServer thanks for the heads up, now I know what to look for when I go and get my NIC for the T610+ for pfsense
That said. You know of any wifi cards, preferably USB 3.0 (or pcie is fine too if I must) that works in pfsense?
I'm sure I can get any old USB 3.0 gigabit ethernet adapter and it'll work in pfsense right
After setting up my mine as a useable desktop putting pfsense on these boxes is a waste/overkill of hardware in my opinion.
Right? That's why I got a T610+ for pfsense and T620+ for Linux
can i install android in that
i have no idea...
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what were they using that DB-25 for in 2019? are there point of sale hardwares that need that? LPT and PCIE in the same motherboard. how bizarre! Why no AT keyboard DIN plug? That stand doesnt look too hard to 3d print... or just wrap the ethernet cables aroud a nail and dangle the whole thing by the ethernets. 4 of them ought to take that weight just fine!
You were doing fine until the "dangle the whole thing by the ethernets" ... now I have to consider banning you or not. ;-P
I subbed cause of legos
a great reason to sub! LOL thanks!
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