Very interesting video and comparison. I've been watching NAM videos for a couple weeks, and just started watching Proteus videos. I liked your comparisons, and shot audio clips switching between the different sources made it much easier to listen for differences. Thanks
Nicely done. Nice graphics and editing. I was very excited when Tonex came out as a pedal, but I think IK Multimedia has got it backwards, they should have released an Amplitude pedal with Tonex recording as an optional software add on. I want effects as well as amps and cabs.
I bought an HX Stomp XL right after firmware version 3.50 came out. I haven't yet felt the need to buy a Tonex to improve the amp/cab modeling. Then again, I only dabble in guitar, so I don't have a collection of vintage amps and cabs as a reference to compare with the models in the HX Stomp. I do realize that modelling is not perfect, but it has really improved over the past few years. Thanks for working hard to improve the quality of everyone's captures!
I personally just prefer amp-only caps vs full rigs. The ones I have tried sound flat or not as lively. Not as bad as a non-IR cab sim that uses some filters to create a bad cab emulation, but it's similar. Lacking resonances and reflections of the speaker inside the cabinet. Much prefer the Pre and Poweramp to be captured then use external IR. Plus, way more flexible tonally. Someone might have the best gain character ever but ruin it with a nasty fizzing cab and mic setup. Excellent compare btw.
Simple solution is to use a surface pro out to a audio interface like my Motu M4, then not only can I play what effects amp and cab combination I want, I can also record !! Not only that, using the touch screen, I have easy access via Cubase Live or Ableton Live etc to all my presets at my fingertips without any restrictions !! Why needs dedicated hardware? waste of money
Man, it flat out copied that Amped Roots plugin lol I wonder if there could ever be legal issues that come up, not trying to pick on you, I have seen lots of people doing it, and I know its fine, just wondering about the future out loud. This is a very useful video especially for me, my main amp is a Mark V. Still something I like about playing a real amp, but its also really nice to be up in your neck in awesome tones via captures. I have not been able to get the free software to work that well, probably my fault, but I have been enjoying Tonex, so its all good.
The biggest difference is the power a real amp has when playing loud. Even through good and loud studio speakers you won't get the same sensation. Play the amp silently through headphones sounds and feels the same (good enough for me at least)
Something I've thought about which could be a bit iffy. So some sims are Mac only, Win only etc. If someone were to go crazy and capture 1200 epoch versions of popular sims that exist on only one platform, it could be awesome and not so great at the same time. On one hand, People could use Waves ampsims on Linux (with limited settings/captures of course). On the other hand, free-only people could really have fun and just use NAM caps of expensive ampsims. I would rather use a physically modeled plugin than a capture of that same sim, but others might not care. Food for thought I guess :)
That's true. Things are evolving quickly. With Genome and other commercial products the NAM ecosystem is evolving. It might be time for a follow-up since I just released a NAM, tonex and Kemper pack. It might be a good shootout part 3😉
@@pwcprofiles great . Please try to match the levels of the reamped file in nam as it will get more accurate to the sound being profiled. Keep on the good work !!!!
Fully agree with you and ...I reckon that Tonex + Amplitube 5 (or better Aplitube 5 with Tonex) is a great working combination ....the others still need a shoulder for the FX side and if NAM is already CPU intensive then things my get harder. Let's wait and see. Then you've learnt the mistakes you've done in the first instance but not many did so that we have today a huge numer of rubbish profiles around with NAM ...it seems that everybody is now rushing to produce NAM models even without knowing exactly how to get a decent result and they even dare to make money not selling but "requiring" donations.... of minimum 20 bucks :-(. So be aware of vultures flying around the NAM opportunity ....
By the way using Proteus with BYOD is like using a Tonex model inside amplitube. With BYOD You can create a full rig easily. I guess that's content for a whole new video. There are other on yt already (just search for BYOD and Proteus)
Are you two sure that you're commenting on the right video? In the original video the NAM was way off, in the this( revised) video it's as close as the others in my personal opinion.
@@pwcprofiles Yes, at 4:00 in this video for example, the NAM capture has some kind of nasty extra high-end fizz that isn't there in Tonex or Proteus. Something is amiss, though, because NAM is capable of results equal to or better than those other two programs.
something seems off, the NAM has a high-frequency "tizz" sound to it compared to the other. In other comparison videos of NAM vs Tonex vs others, I didn't hear this.
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Very interesting video and comparison. I've been watching NAM videos for a couple weeks, and just started watching Proteus videos. I liked your comparisons, and shot audio clips switching between the different sources made it much easier to listen for differences. Thanks
Wow, those alternating streams of the same sequence is a GREAT way to compare them... probably the best I've seen anyone do on here.
Nicely done. Nice graphics and editing. I was very excited when Tonex came out as a pedal, but I think IK Multimedia has got it backwards, they should have released an Amplitude pedal with Tonex recording as an optional software add on. I want effects as well as amps and cabs.
Great video, for me the Proteus sounded much closer to the original amp than NAM, but all sounded very close and great!
I bought an HX Stomp XL right after firmware version 3.50 came out. I haven't yet felt the need to buy a Tonex to improve the amp/cab modeling. Then again, I only dabble in guitar, so I don't have a collection of vintage amps and cabs as a reference to compare with the models in the HX Stomp. I do realize that modelling is not perfect, but it has really improved over the past few years. Thanks for working hard to improve the quality of everyone's captures!
NAM sounds a lot brighter and has some hi freq stuff going on, should be able to see it in an EQ spike.
I personally just prefer amp-only caps vs full rigs. The ones I have tried sound flat or not as lively. Not as bad as a non-IR cab sim that uses some filters to create a bad cab emulation, but it's similar. Lacking resonances and reflections of the speaker inside the cabinet. Much prefer the Pre and Poweramp to be captured then use external IR. Plus, way more flexible tonally. Someone might have the best gain character ever but ruin it with a nasty fizzing cab and mic setup.
Excellent compare btw.
Fantastic video. Thank you for all the hard work.
Excellent comparison … major thanks!
Thanks for posing this. Everything sounded virtually indistinguishable but what about clean sound?
Clean sounds are generally easier to capture since they don't have those high frequencies that result from distorting the signal in high gain amps.
Great vid, thanks.
Exactly what I needed. I'm looking at the IK i/o one.
Comes with tonex and will definitely use NAM.
NAM sounds like the cab-sim is off, something doesnt seem right here
Great vid. thanks.
Where can I find the best Mesa Boogie Mk series especially the Mark 4 sounds for the Tone X. Anybody with any suggestions please let me know. Thanks
Proteus sounds most accurate to me, NAM sounds considerably brighter than the original for some reason. Did you switch the cab-simulation off?
Simple solution is to use a surface pro out to a audio interface like my Motu M4, then not only can I play what effects amp and cab combination I want, I can also record !! Not only that, using the touch screen, I have easy access via Cubase Live or Ableton Live etc to all my presets at my fingertips without any restrictions !! Why needs dedicated hardware? waste of money
Man, it flat out copied that Amped Roots plugin lol I wonder if there could ever be legal issues that come up, not trying to pick on you, I have seen lots of people doing it, and I know its fine, just wondering about the future out loud. This is a very useful video especially for me, my main amp is a Mark V. Still something I like about playing a real amp, but its also really nice to be up in your neck in awesome tones via captures. I have not been able to get the free software to work that well, probably my fault, but I have been enjoying Tonex, so its all good.
The biggest difference is the power a real amp has when playing loud. Even through good and loud studio speakers you won't get the same sensation. Play the amp silently through headphones sounds and feels the same (good enough for me at least)
Something I've thought about which could be a bit iffy. So some sims are Mac only, Win only etc. If someone were to go crazy and capture 1200 epoch versions of popular sims that exist on only one platform, it could be awesome and not so great at the same time.
On one hand, People could use Waves ampsims on Linux (with limited settings/captures of course).
On the other hand, free-only people could really have fun and just use NAM caps of expensive ampsims.
I would rather use a physically modeled plugin than a capture of that same sim, but others might not care.
Food for thought I guess :)
Nam has been updated so now a few conclusions of the video are not up to date
That's true. Things are evolving quickly. With Genome and other commercial products the NAM ecosystem is evolving. It might be time for a follow-up since I just released a NAM, tonex and Kemper pack. It might be a good shootout part 3😉
@@pwcprofiles great . Please try to match the levels of the reamped file in nam as it will get more accurate to the sound being profiled. Keep on the good work !!!!
Fully agree with you and ...I reckon that Tonex + Amplitube 5 (or better Aplitube 5 with Tonex) is a great working combination ....the others still need a shoulder for the FX side and if NAM is already CPU intensive then things my get harder. Let's wait and see. Then you've learnt the mistakes you've done in the first instance but not many did so that we have today a huge numer of rubbish profiles around with NAM ...it seems that everybody is now rushing to produce NAM models even without knowing exactly how to get a decent result and they even dare to make money not selling but "requiring" donations.... of minimum 20 bucks :-(. So be aware of vultures flying around the NAM opportunity ....
By the way using Proteus with BYOD is like using a Tonex model inside amplitube. With BYOD You can create a full rig easily. I guess that's content for a whole new video. There are other on yt already (just search for BYOD and Proteus)
Nam sounded awful. The other two were very good.
There’s something wrong with his NAM captures. It is much better than that. Not sure what happened here but this is not the normal result with NAM.
Are you two sure that you're commenting on the right video? In the original video the NAM was way off, in the this( revised) video it's as close as the others in my personal opinion.
@@pwcprofiles Yes, at 4:00 in this video for example, the NAM capture has some kind of nasty extra high-end fizz that isn't there in Tonex or Proteus. Something is amiss, though, because NAM is capable of results equal to or better than those other two programs.
@@400_billion_suns Sounds like some of the DI (no cab) signal is bleeding in.
something seems off, the NAM has a high-frequency "tizz" sound to it compared to the other. In other comparison videos of NAM vs Tonex vs others, I didn't hear this.