How They Became Leading AI Researchers in Just 1 Year - Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

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  • Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
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Комментарии • 53

  • @user-uu5ml5dc6n
    @user-uu5ml5dc6n Месяц назад +126

    "It's amazing how quickly you can be a world-class in something cause most people aren't trying that hard"
    really inspiring word!!

  • @the3rdworlder293
    @the3rdworlder293 2 месяца назад +190

    So they were outstanding software engineers who put in a ton of work on a new field.. not surprised but they inspire me the fck out

  • @ttul
    @ttul Месяц назад +28

    The CEO of AI21 said, “there are perhaps 200 people in the world who are simultaneously excellent researchers and engineers.” And this is why there are only a few companies with the capacity to build SOTA models.

  • @michaelmamic4682
    @michaelmamic4682 2 месяца назад +86

    My guess is that mathematical maturity takes the longest to build, as does learning general principles of research. Once you're good at both you can get to the top pretty fast by only focusing on what's driving the progress.

    • @whatsanimesh
      @whatsanimesh Месяц назад +3

      That's the alleged goal of Q*

    • @takamotoyagami4222
      @takamotoyagami4222 Месяц назад +1

      what do you mean by that?
      @@whatsanimesh

    • @godsarsehole
      @godsarsehole Месяц назад

      @@takamotoyagami4222 I'm assuming he means that the goal of Q* is to understand how to conduct research and get good at maths, in the hope that scaling that will result in a world-class AI researcher as an emergent property

    • @vishaljain4915
      @vishaljain4915 Месяц назад

      this, the limiting factor almost always comes down to ones core understanding of the math

  • @kyokushinfighter78
    @kyokushinfighter78 Месяц назад +41

    They were lucky to be on the cutting edge of the hyped Gen-AI field. Some researchers have been doing research for 30 years unnoticed.

    • @AmloC_art
      @AmloC_art Месяц назад

      i think the issue is doing it alone , anthropic is a team....Genius researcher dont wanna collaborate

  • @_ap__
    @_ap__ 2 месяца назад +32

    I KNEW Tristan Hume will be mentioned somewhere. Big fan of his work. Dwarkesh, if you could please talk to Tristan on the pod, we will be grateful 🙏

    • @Med233
      @Med233 2 месяца назад +2

      Not familiar with Tristan's work but have met him a few times and he's a cool dude

  • @SanjeevSingh-lg2sb
    @SanjeevSingh-lg2sb Месяц назад +16

    As an engineer I can say that vision, enthusiasm, learning attitude, ownership and empathy is also a quality which distinguishes an engineer. Vision, enthusiasm and learning attitude is pretty personal.
    Empathy for the every stakeholder which includes yourself, fellow engineers, PMs, leadership and customers. What it means is that you write better code which could understood by you and any one reading it. Adding proper logs, telemetry which would be helpful in debugging and reporting numbers to PMs, leadership and also helps analyze the product feedback.
    This video, I have bookmarked as it is a great video to understand the mindset of great engineers.

  • @PSModelling
    @PSModelling 2 месяца назад +12

    Great chat & insightful comments

  • @nikhilrout3287
    @nikhilrout3287 Месяц назад +5

    "manufacture luck". makes so much sense

  • @ibraheemsaleem2161
    @ibraheemsaleem2161 Месяц назад +2

    Very inspired by their story, and I have to say this is among the top content that I have seen recently

  • @aqgi7
    @aqgi7 2 месяца назад +5

    Very insightful

  • @AmloC_art
    @AmloC_art Месяц назад +1

    this defiinitely is a good interview, just honest personal advise

  • @theterminaldave
    @theterminaldave 2 месяца назад +7

    If you go ham [in a niche field].

  • @McMurchie
    @McMurchie 28 дней назад +1

    I'm top of my field in my profession, literally can't go higher without moving completely into full time leadership...that said, i'm not a fan of talking down others as lacking drive or initiative and hence that's how you did well. Because you can easily spin that around as failed leadership. Not everyone is a 22 year old kid with nothing else to do, some are parents, others struggle with personal issues, others simply aren't motivated...but could be.

  • @deordered.
    @deordered. Месяц назад +3

    Put these two next to connor leahy and let them have a thorough discussion!

  • @Javi-tc3fu
    @Javi-tc3fu Месяц назад

    Who is the one on thw White t shirt?

  • @superfliping
    @superfliping 21 день назад

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  • @smittywerbenjagermanjensenson
    @smittywerbenjagermanjensenson 2 месяца назад +12

    That is an amazing shirt

  • @Shaunmcdonogh-shaunsurfing
    @Shaunmcdonogh-shaunsurfing Месяц назад +2

    Rapid fire testing

  • @paul_e123
    @paul_e123 Месяц назад +6

    Wtf they’re good looking too. That’s not fair

  • @howardh6857
    @howardh6857 Месяц назад +5

    10pm to 2am interesting

    • @ttul
      @ttul Месяц назад +2

      I’m just going to hazard a wild guess here, but he probably wasn’t also working at a nearby bar to pay his rent.

    • @kodreaming
      @kodreaming Месяц назад

      Ya, but at the same time, thousands of people who also weren't working at the bar to pay the rent are spending money at the bar .

    • @ttul
      @ttul Месяц назад

      @@kodreaming This is highly relevant.

  • @brians7100
    @brians7100 Месяц назад +12

    why do i get the vibe he's on adderall

    • @bbrother92
      @bbrother92 Месяц назад +1

      coke

    • @bbrother92
      @bbrother92 Месяц назад +2

      or noo, i wront, he is on lemonade and chips like all ml nerds)

    • @fxlltxtsearch
      @fxlltxtsearch Месяц назад

      Or hes really excited about what hes doing.
      Doing adderall is not conducive to productive software development. Eventually your brain shuts down and you just start writing nonsense.

    • @mwinsatt
      @mwinsatt Месяц назад +2

      that’s what AI means. Adderall Intelligence

    • @futureworldhealing
      @futureworldhealing Месяц назад

      bc they all are

  • @ameraid05
    @ameraid05 Месяц назад +7

    Just because you're working on the trendiest thing, doesn't mean you're better than any other software engineer out there

    • @vacc1001
      @vacc1001 Месяц назад

      Yeah I don't know why everyone is hyping this up in the comments. Extremely misplaced opinions

  • @stretch8390
    @stretch8390 25 дней назад +1

    No salt, but they're not leading AI researchers though, right?

  • @gvi341984
    @gvi341984 Месяц назад

    Too bad Claude is so bad at math compared to chatgpt with Wolfram can not even do latex properly

  • @Jeff-zc6rr
    @Jeff-zc6rr Месяц назад +8

    probably bullshit.. america always needs heros and a posterchild for something. who is really going to challenge whether they don't know AI.

  • @MrSwccguy
    @MrSwccguy Месяц назад +4

    So they got lucky is all

    • @raul36
      @raul36 Месяц назад +2

      Indeed. Neither of them has done anything original in the field of artificial intelligence, or even relevant. There are people who are lucky in life. These 2 are an example of this.

    • @vacc1001
      @vacc1001 Месяц назад

      @@raul36 Can't believe this sh*t showed up on my feed ffs.

  • @philipgiacalone5605
    @philipgiacalone5605 Месяц назад +6

    Both of these people would sound much more intelligent, if they didn't say "like" every 5th or 6th word. It's not difficult!

    • @user-tz6wt3uh9t
      @user-tz6wt3uh9t Месяц назад +16

      I genuinely didn't know how much I did this until the pod - and I'm now extremely watchful for it. Trying!!

    • @Aharaleb
      @Aharaleb Месяц назад

      ​@@user-tz6wt3uh9t you did great! I had a mentor that used to say that when somebody is doing something new is deserving just clapping for 6 times and feedback for improvement only from the 7th on. I was inspired by the 3 of you. Thanks for showing up.

    • @vishanoberoi2232
      @vishanoberoi2232 Месяц назад

      @@user-tz6wt3uh9twhat advice would you give to someone who is starting a grad program in ML research

    • @Alex-fh4my
      @Alex-fh4my Месяц назад +3

      Because that is so important 🙄

    • @peter102
      @peter102 Месяц назад +6

      the thing is they are way more intelligent AND successful than you so they can say whatever they like ;)