Yes I agree, the Pete/Martin shows are my favorite as well. As far as the Yngwie not being influenced by Richie Blackmore thing I suppose Greta Van Fleet never heard of Led Zeppelin.
Ronnie Montrose had a reputation of constantly shooting himself in the foot on a regular basis. When Montrose toured England in the 70's Sammy Hagar was singled out as the new Robert Plant and promptly sacked. Afterwards he hated the fact that Sammy found success and refused to reform Montrose after constant pleading from Sammy.. I absolutely loved this topic. Thanks guys.
An Aerosmith story: Kansas opened for Aerosmith during one tour in Kansas' early years, and the crowd went wild for Kansas & kept bringing them out for ovation after ovation. Steven was so angry about Kansas' success, so he would literally pull the plug & cut Kansas off. So the next show Kansas put the live cord on the other side of the stage, & the cord on the usual side went to nothing. So when Kansas blew Aerosmith away again & pissed off Tyler, he went & pulled the cord & nothing happened. He was confused & totally pissed off. But, he never did it again! What a dick. His band was blown away by the opener!! Ahhh 😫
Martin is spot on about Aerosmith. It´s difficult to think of a band having sold out more emphatically than they did. By the way, I got eight of Martin´s books in the mail this week.
I listened to the audio book of Pete Townshend's autobiography, and I got choked up when he said that his very last conversation with Keith Moon ended with Keith telling him that he loved him. But yes, really out of control at times. I can't imagine what Pete was feeling at that stadium concert in 1973 where Keith Moon had taken a tranquilizer, and had to be pulled off the drumset after he collapsed, and Pete had to yell out to the audience, "can anybody play the drums?!?!" And then they were recording the song "The Music Must Change," and for the first time, Keith Moon could not play to the rhythm of that song. He was on his way out.
If The Who had fired Keith Moon, I think he'd have struggled to find another band that he'd have suited. The Who were unique in that the traditional backing instruments (drums and bass) were pushed up front and the guitar provided the steady rhythm. Moon was so wild and untechnical in a sense as a musician that I don't think he'd have worked in a straighter set up.
@@patrickcrowther9195 The Who doesn't work as well without him either. The first 10 years or so were lightning in a bottle, with Pete overcoming his alcoholism and crafting two of the best album of the 70s... the wild and crazy Keith Moon... with the dependable Daltrey and secret weapon Entwistle. They don't make them like that anymore.
First: I was a big fan of Aerosmith until 1998. I loved Aerosmith until that ballad for “Armageddon”. Thank you for Martin’s opinion on Steve Tyler of Aerosmith. Second: I know that Pete does not like Motley Crue and Vince Neil. I appreciate Pete’s restraint and respect.
At the 1986 Iowa Jam, Aerosmith headlined - I was there for Metallica, 3 months before Cliff died - and during Aerosmith's set, a guy in the pit was exchanging words with Tyler. This went back and forth for some time, with Tyler making fighting gestures, playing a tough guy. Suddenly, this rando guy hops on stage, gets past security, and Tyler ran behind Joey Kramer's drum riser and hid. Then, security got the guy. It was intense.
More great entertainment from Pete and Martin. Thanks so much for your time guys. Pete always seems to find people with whom he has such a great rapport and it ends up like friends talking in a bar or pub.
I was waiting during pt. 1. for someone to bring up Ace Frehley! Great Ace story: When they brought Bob Kulick in to do Ace's solos for most of the songs on side 4 of Alive II, Kulick walks out into the studio lounge after cutting a take of a solo and who's sitting there but Ace, who looks at Bob and goes "So how'd I do?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
His auto-biography is insufferable, he constantly puts people down and acts like he never lost a fight. He also has this weird fixation on how other guys dress, like the average Megadeth fan cares what kind of shoes Jeff Young wore in 1987.
@@pjbrown4736 I'd say a rock auto-biography implies a certain level of ego to begin, since most of these guys never grow up (thus Mustaine, well into middle age, bragging about street fights he won 30 years ago) and aren't exactly deep or insightful thinkers. Other than certain Prog bands like Rush, most rockers are fairly empty in the intellectual department. On the punk side Greg Ginn and Jello Biafra are quite intelligent (though what they did with that intelligence is another story). Another major self promoter is Henry Rollins, Jesus he never shuts up about himself, and this is a guy too emotionally immature to even seek long term intimate relationships.
Popoff and Pardo are at again with Part 2 of their discussion of various reasons that certain individuals can be viewed as a 'problem child.' A highly enjoyable second part to this theme. One that has come to my mind - a little outside of the usual SoT field - might be David Crosby formerly of The Byrds as well as Crosby, Stills, Nash with and without Young and often as a duo with Graham Nash. But no more of that. Those two have been feuding for years and there is not much love lost between Crosby and Young. Someone integral to one of my favorite albums [Deja Vu] but seems to have left a trail of harsh feelings and other problems in his wake. Thanks, Martin and Pete, for this show and already looking forward to next week's episode. There ya go!
I met Kevin Dubrow once. He was very generous and happy to shake hands and take a picture. He was smiling ear to ear. He made me feel special and I’ll never forget that day. Please keep up your amazing content. Love watching you both
I Would add Jeff Beck and Frank Zappa for different reasons. Jeff Beck never managed to stick in a band situation, which in turn made him miss the bus as far as recognition super guitarists of the late 60s get. Zappa, on the other hand was a super perfectionist and what he wanted from his band was very demanding (that's an understatement).
Very good choices, Beck certainly qualifies. If he could have focused his band, they really could have possibly stolen some of Led Zeppelin's success for themselves, but he was always a restless spirit who never wanted to stay in one place musically.
Zappa was anything but a problem child. He was prolific, original, toured frequently, and was on the cutting edge of studio and recording techniques. Misunderstood maybe, but certainly no problem child
@@peterdelaney7061 Zappa was a true genius who excelled in anything he did - rock, psychedelic, Avant guard, classical, you name it. I listed Zappa here not because he was a trouble maker, or because of his ego or unreliability, far from it. Most musicians who worked with Zappa talk highly of him and feel honoured to having worked with him, and rightly so. So why I listed him here? It is because it was hard to work with him since he demanded so much from his musicians - Three month long rehearsals, unbelievably difficulty auditions, everchanging and never ending concert setlists.
This for me was the most enjoyable series that Pete and Martin have done, and that's saying a lot considering how much I enjoy their shows. I devoured both episodes on what turned out to be a rather enjoyable Friday night listening to these guys go back and forth.
There's a bit more on Kevin DuBrow's antics with the press in the VH1 Behind the Music interviews from back in the day, but I honestly haven't watched the episode in a long time.
Yngwie says nobody goes to see him to see the singer. He could not be more wrong. If he got one of his better singers I would see him live for sure. Sine he has gone without a singer, I have not seen him for decades.
Thanks for another great show Pete & Martin! Have either of you gentlemen read Yngwie's autobiography "Relentless"? I ask, because Yngwie addresses a lot of the most common criticisms against him in great detail. He honestly explains why he can't retain lead singers. He also discusses why he does not acknowledge Blackmore as an influence on his guitar playing. Personally, I agree with Yngwie that the comparisons between his playing and Blackmore's are a bit overstated. I love both players, but Yngwie's tone, phrasing, songwriting, riffing and soloing are quite different from Blackmore's. Blackmore may have brought touches of classical influences to his music, particularly with Rainbow, but he's fundamentally a blues-based, pentatonic player. Yngwie, while relying somewhat on the blues, is mostly influenced by an entirely different musical tradition, namely the Western art music of Paganini, Bach & Vivaldi. Sorry for the essay here, but Yngwie is probably my favorite guitarist!
Us ,of a certain vintage, seem to start a conversation discussing the weather. I thought it was an English trait but good to hear Martin and Pete doing the same thing. Brian Robertson, for me, is a tragic loss to music. I think his contribution to Lizzy and Motorhead showcased a wonderfully melodic tone and subtleties. Anyway another interesting, entertaining and fun video guys...many thanks for your dedication and hard work.
Imagine if Blackmore and Yngwie shared the stage for one moment.Ha.Impossible.There wouldn't be enough real estate to fit their egos let alone the Marshall stacks.But God I would love to be a fly on the wall.
I've never heard Martin curse before. The fact that he did so when describing a deceased member of that clownish abomination of a band Quiet Riot was hilarious. Breaking etiquette and speaking ill of the dead. Priceless! 😁
Hank Williams, Sam Cooke, Bertrand Cantat, Jeffrey Lee Pierce, Paul Baloff, John Cyriis, Paul Di'Anno, Pete Doherty, Mark E. Smith, Elliott Smith. Oh dear, there are so many. Roky Erickson. Fish. Janis Joplin. Nina Simone.
Again, agreeing with Pete about Ginger Baker and Hawkwind. Few weeks ago I got a 3 CD Levitation set. Disc 2 & 3 were a live concert. Throughout this show I was impressed with how good his drumming was. Anyone wants to hear great drumming get that Hawkwind Levitation 3 CD set.
Rick Wakeman. Not sure if it constitutes a problem child, but 5 separate stints in Yes, 6 if you count Yes featuring ARW project, 7 if you count the ABWH album and tour. There can’t be anyone in rock who has left and rejoined a band that many times. He has to have issues with working with others, and his sheer volume of solo work evidences his desire to do things his way and his alone.
One of the greatest 'problem child' musicians of all times: Alex Harvey. Born in 35 like Elvis Presley. Breakthough in `72 (in Europe) with the Sensational Alex Harvey Band. He is considered to be one of the best frontmen of all times. A few years later a wreck. A pure tragedy. Just listen to the last SAHB song "No complaints department".
Dave Mustaine is crazy....I saw them on clash of titans tour at Alpine valley in 1991. Dave was so out of control and wasted that he started legendary sod fight in front of stage cause argument with some fans of slayer who played before them lol. A fan threw sod at him and he threw it back and boom! That Sod fight caused a change in rules at the venue the following year. Unreal. Worst part of concert was Megadeth. They were reason I went show to begin with. The other bands (Alice in Chains, Slayer, Anthrax) all were really good.
On Cream: Very true about the volatile relationship between Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker going back. In a documentary I saw years ago (can't remember which one), it was said that Ginger wanted to get something going with Eric Clapton, but Clapton stipulated he would do so if Jack Bruce was in as well. Thus, Cream was born. (P.S. I saw Beware of Mr. Baker not too long after it came out.)
Apparently Ginger took to Jack with a knife when they were in the Graham Bond Organisation for playing too loud or too much Same happened at the Cream renuion shows but instead of knives it was drumsticks.
@@alanthorne3921 Yep, heard the exact same things. I guess it was quite something that Baker and Bruce would be in a band together again after the GBO experience. But, then again, that might not have happened if Clapton didn't make his condition for working with Baker known.
I never liked Baker at all. I saw a documentary about him, I don’t think it was the Beware of Mr Baker film, it was a previous documentary. His grown up son appeared in it, and he was also a drummer. Ginger was really nasty toward him, put him down and said he was a crap drummer. It was his own son. I was just staggered by how cruel and spiteful Ginger Baker was. Legendary drummer, yes. Horrible guy.
As far as Yngwie, I liked the earlier stuff, but as time has gone on, it’s just the same album, just with a different title. A million notes that mean nothing.
"Ginger Baker; he appeared at the local blues festival here in Colne, a small town in the UK, with his "band" Jazz Confusion. Did a short set, constantly complained about the sound, adamantly refused to play any Cream numbers etc etc. Generally obnoxious on stage. Back stage i am reliably informed he was even worse! Constantly smoking when as everyone knows that is no longer allowed indoors in the UK, leaving cigarette burns on furniture and stuff like that. contrast with Jack Bruce who appeared with the Norman Beaker band, played a good blues set and ended with the Cream classics. Absolute magic! And by all accounts he was a pretty decent guy.
@@chielvandenboomen4925 When I was young Ringo was the only Beatle I knew. He sang Yellow Submarine and I was very proud of myself that I knew a Beatle.😊
Hello, Pete. I am a big fan of your channel and most of the shows. Your channel made me investigate a lot of new music for me. Many people suggest themes for your shows. One topic that might be for you and Martin to discuss is the following (the topic is not entirely new, you talked about it in different variants elsewhere). So imaging you have an album that you once rated very very high among the catalogue of a certain band. You did not listen to this particular album for a long time for one reason or another (perhaps you listened to an album too much at some point or whatever). Some time passes, you remember that album as being one of the best, but you are afraid to listen to it out of fear that you will not like it as you once did. You put it on to listen, and you discover that you fears were either founded or unfounded... I myself would no be able to come up with 5 examples of such bands for me, but perhaps you and Martin would. In any case, just a random thought. Keep on good work.
I always thought Ritchie and Yngwie were musical vampires. They extract what they want out of other talented musicians and quickly move in to the next one.
One guy that comes to mind is David Coverdale. Too many great musicians have gone through Whitesnake to be believed. The band's musical quality has been fairly consistent over the years but if you successful wouldn't you stay? He's had some huge fallings out over the years, John Sykes (Yes we know his eccentricities), Cozy Powell. Micky Moody (sacked twice) and Adrian Campbell to name a few. Does he rule with an iron fist, stifle their creativity, limit their input, underpay them? Who knows?
In public recently, I have noticed Coverdale talks very warmly about musicians he has previously worked with. He has had bust-ups but he does not appear to hold grudges.
Ace was always shitfaced back in the day. I think he’s been sober for a good while these days, so I don’t know why they can’t get it together with the man the fans want to see up there(even if it’s the last tour). Mustaine has the same story, different band. I think Dave used the anger over the firing to propel the first 3 albums, but then he sobered up and the “Shultz mad scientist” perfectionist thing kicked in after the perfection of Rust & the popularity of Countdown. Keith Moon? What can you say…his drumming represented the bombastic craziness that was Keith Moon. I’m a drummer and he is my 2nd favorite behind Bonzo, only. Nobody has came close to his turbulent style, at least on stage behind the kit.
Also agree about the Ginger Baker thing. I am a HUGE Rush fan, with all due respect I skip through Neil Pearts drum solos. Love Zeppelin as well, but not gonna listen to Moby Dick. But I expressly listen to the Toad drum solo when they did that reunion in 2005.
I knew Ginger Baker would come up. Read his autobio. During BBM, Ginger turned up at rehearsals and Gary Moore was blasting out so loud that GM blew his own ears out and had to go to the doctor. Ginger Baker said he didn't need a doctor he needed a psychiatrist!!!
Live & Dangerous was released before Black Rose. Brian (Robbo) Robertson left for good in '78, and Gary (Garence) Moore joined permanently-on-paper then. Still, Brian is the perfect subject here. There's mention in Chris Glen's autobiography that GTR was a band featuring himself, Phil (Philthy Animal) Taylor and Brian Robertson in around '85, but the project ended when Brian and Phil, er, you can guess, had a fight! Robbo was briefly in Statetrooper, Gary Barden's band, in '86/'87, but didn't record with them - a pity. Gary Barden was asked if having a fiery guy like Robbo in the band was a worry, and he said: "No. He's a pussycat compared with Schenker!" 🤣
Dave Mustaine is >still< obsessed with being kicked out of Metallica - to this day, he brings it up in interviews without even having to be prompted. I used to think he was being whiny, and that he didn't appreciate or have the proper perspective on how successful Megadeth has been. But then I reconsidered when I looked at 1) just HOW MUCH more Metallica have out-sold their thrash peers - it's not even close. More importantly 2) he never really got the credit for being the inventor of thrash metal. To me, that's the more egregious part and I can't say I blame him. Scott Ian has said "without a Dave Mustaine, we don't get thrash metal." And, along the lines of what Pete said here, if you listen to the No Life 'Til Leather demo it's clear that Mustaine's style was fully formed before James Hetfield's. James didn't even initially play guitar when Dave joined the band. Metallica are universally recognized as the band that invented thrash but Dave gets mostly left out there. (It didn't help that it took Megadeth 'til '85 to release their debut, either.) I think it's unhealthy for this guy not to have made peace with this, but I could totally see the lack of proper recognition burning someone up for their whole lifetime.
I read Mustaine's autobiography and his bitterness towards it all was astounding. While it was good to hear his side of the story and in a few instances Metallica didn't come off very good, Mustaine's bitterness overshadowed the whole book.
Not sure who was the problem child but most things I have heard/read point to Tarja's husband/manager as being massively responsible for the first (and my favourite) period of Nightwish ending
These are the same stories dissected over and over again from any different angle or premise that they can possibly think up. How many slices are left in the pie. ? Rock journalism has always been kinda weird. Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. LOL. But I still love them. And listen.
Gary was a complete perfectionist who wanted things his way. So was Phil. That's why when they worked together, they made great music. It just never lasted long.
Another entertaining episode . Many thanks for that . I look forward to the Hipgnosis discussion next week , as my son recently got me a book about the creation and history of the company , and how all of the covers were conceived and put together . It's a complete visual catalogue put together by one of the founding members ( Aubrey Powell ) of the company . Anyway , it should be fun next week . Cheers !!
Great as usual! One note: Yngwie was in Steeler with Ron Keel, not Keel. I would add Vivian Campbell, maybe is a stretch, but he had problems with Dio, with Whitesnake, he seems to be a good guy but he talked shit about almost every band he was in ( before Leppard): Shadow King, Whitesnake, Dio...
I have a claim to fame about Ginger Baker and his "grumpiness". My dad used to work with my grandad in a plumbing and heating company some time in the 60s. They got a call out to ginger bakers house but he wasn't around. They were there a couple of days and still no sign. So my dad and uncle decided to explore the huge house and came across his music room. My dad does nothing more than take a seat at bakers kit, pick up a pair of sticks and start bashing away. Only for a door to slam open kicked violently and in came Baker and gave my dad such a bollocking. He wasn't allowed to go back whilst my grandad finished the work alone. Dad was always so indignant about it and said.. Bloody arse shouting at me like that, so I said to him one day.. Ya know what Dad... I'd have done exactly the same, instruments are precious, they are ours and nobody touches them unless you are told you can.
Part of the reason why KISS' Psycho Circus was not good was due to the lack of involvement from Ace and Peter, not only with songwriting but also performing the instruments. Gene and Paul treated it as their baby and reduced Ace and Peter to the role of well-paid sidemen or glorified "special guests", appearing on just 3 tracks overall. If it had been a true collaboration, it might've still stunk! But I've no doubt that the end product would've been better than what we did get.
Good ol' Robbo ... dressing as a gay tennis coach & refusing to play the hits just to piss off Motorhead & their fans. That's punk rock. Robbo story time: a friend who was in a post-Smiths indie group in the 90s played a Battle of the Bands & Brian Robertson was one of the judges. A heavy metal band won the competition. Now, the friend in question had a tendency to, shall we say, embellish his stories, but he assured me this happened and it sounds typically Robbo. He's packing his gear away & Robbo comes over for a chat. 'I voted for you. I wanted you to win.' 'Really? I'd have thought you'd have been into that metal band.' And Robbo looks at him as if he's nuts & says, 'I've had enough of that shite!' Butch needs to read this. Ha ha!
If you could've predicted where and when the brawls would take place and had a phone back then to video all of that raw craziness, that would've been very lucrative. Or at least you could have your own ' problem child chaos' video home library collection. It would be hard to 'not watch' those videos.
What I remember about Kevin Dubrow's problem child reputation is his feud with Ozzy in the 80's. Quiet Riot had released Metal Health and was doing well, then Kevin has to go out and start fighting with Ozzy over...something. Part of it was Kevin still whining that Randy left Quiet Riot to join Ozzy's band, the rest was Kevin trying to get some attention. Ozzy's solo career was established at this point, plus he had his Black Sabbath years so Ozzy was clearly the "big dog" in the yard so Kevin really came off like the yapping puppy. Some rock magazine at the time had a article about duets or collaborations they wanted to see. First one listed was Ozzy & Quiet Riot, I think their reasoning was they hated each other so much something good would come out of it. I was telling a friend about the article and he was wondering what song they could possibly do together. I said "I Don't Care About You" by Fear.
I love shout at the devil but always thought Vince just sucks. Then...now...always haha. I also always thought that Mick Mars was the secret weapon in Motley Crue.
It's been a long time since I've seen a physical copy of Rising Force, but I swear I remember seeing Yngwie mentioning Blackmore in the 'thank you' section. Blackmore, on the other hand, has publicly insulted Yngwie in interviews. They are two sides of the same coin.
One is a classic rock guitarist, the other is a bloated 80's widdler, whose style hasn't been relevant for 40 years. Ritchie didn't insult the silly swede, he just pointed out that his "music" has no balls.
Richie Blackmore. Lightning in a bottle but Purple had to manage without him eventually. Micheal Schenker but he was alcoholic. Robertson, great gtr player but Lizzy members swore they wouldn't work with him again. Madness. A band like Queen and Zeppelln can have a great career if they control their ego. Scorpions dispensed with the drummer a couple of years ago after an incident and of course Phil Rudd of AC/DC. Let's not forget Steve Perry of Journey or Lindsay Buckingham. We all know that Tyler without Aerosmith would be playing in clubs. With them it's 20,000 plus a night.
Two great bands. If I was combining their 1980- 1990 discographies I’d rank them like this. 1. Rust in Peace 2. Ride the Lightning 3. Master of Puppets 4. Peace Sells 5. Killing is my Business 6. And Justice For All 7. So Far So Good So What So I can’t agree with you, its difficult to separate them. Rust in Peace only comes top by a whisker. All classic albums.
Kudos for Martin to give a shout out to Napalm Death. I have been a fan since the Harmony Corruption album got released and they have yet to release something bad.
Great choices. Pete, what's really funny about Ginger Baker is not so much what people have said about him over a 50+ year period, but what he has to say about people in his autobiography, "Hellraiser" ! Great drummer, innovative musician, crucial in the development of psychedelic, progressive, jazz fusion and heavy metal rock drumming, yet, in his own words, comes across as hilariously unlikeable.
You guys should've saved those honorable mentions for a third show. I find some of them more interesting than the ones you picked. Vince Neil however was a good choice. I prefer Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx over Vince Neil. I never understood the appeal. Axl Rose or as I like to call him, A**hole Rose, the problem child poster child, diva behavior, riots, Chinese Democracy you name it. Pete also has his own Axl story. Greg Allman would've been another good one along w/C.C. Deville. Cozy Powell, really? He was more of a gun for hire so he could afford to be opinionated. Anyway, good show, wish there was a part three😢
Love these Friday morning with Martin shows✌️🎶
I do too, something to look forward to at the end of the week.
Yes I agree, the Pete/Martin shows are my favorite as well. As far as the Yngwie not being influenced by Richie Blackmore thing I suppose Greta Van Fleet never heard of Led Zeppelin.
Ronnie Montrose had a reputation of constantly shooting himself in the foot on a regular basis. When Montrose toured England in the 70's Sammy Hagar was singled out as the new Robert Plant and promptly sacked. Afterwards he hated the fact that Sammy found success and refused to reform Montrose after constant pleading from Sammy..
I absolutely loved this topic. Thanks guys.
An Aerosmith story: Kansas opened for Aerosmith during one tour in Kansas' early years, and the crowd went wild for Kansas & kept bringing them out for ovation after ovation. Steven was so angry about Kansas' success, so he would literally pull the plug & cut Kansas off. So the next show Kansas put the live cord on the other side of the stage, & the cord on the usual side went to nothing. So when Kansas blew Aerosmith away again & pissed off Tyler, he went & pulled the cord & nothing happened. He was confused & totally pissed off. But, he never did it again! What a dick. His band was blown away by the opener!! Ahhh 😫
Martin is spot on about Aerosmith. It´s difficult to think of a band having sold out more emphatically than they did. By the way, I got eight of Martin´s books in the mail this week.
I love the comment about trying to be everything to everybody, but you're really nothing to nobody
I listened to the audio book of Pete Townshend's autobiography, and I got choked up when he said that his very last conversation with Keith Moon ended with Keith telling him that he loved him. But yes, really out of control at times. I can't imagine what Pete was feeling at that stadium concert in 1973 where Keith Moon had taken a tranquilizer, and had to be pulled off the drumset after he collapsed, and Pete had to yell out to the audience, "can anybody play the drums?!?!" And then they were recording the song "The Music Must Change," and for the first time, Keith Moon could not play to the rhythm of that song. He was on his way out.
Keith Moon… a classic case of “the bulb that burns twice as bright burns half as long.” A legend, but a troubled one.
If The Who had fired Keith Moon, I think he'd have struggled to find another band that he'd have suited. The Who were unique in that the traditional backing instruments (drums and bass) were pushed up front and the guitar provided the steady rhythm. Moon was so wild and untechnical in a sense as a musician that I don't think he'd have worked in a straighter set up.
@@patrickcrowther9195 The Who doesn't work as well without him either. The first 10 years or so were lightning in a bottle, with Pete overcoming his alcoholism and crafting two of the best album of the 70s... the wild and crazy Keith Moon... with the dependable Daltrey and secret weapon Entwistle. They don't make them like that anymore.
@@RealJeffTidwell so true
'My friends call me Keith. You can call me John.'
@@Randgalf Classic line!
First: I was a big fan of Aerosmith until 1998. I loved Aerosmith until that ballad for “Armageddon”. Thank you for Martin’s opinion on Steve Tyler of Aerosmith.
Second: I know that Pete does not like Motley Crue and Vince Neil. I appreciate Pete’s restraint and respect.
At the 1986 Iowa Jam, Aerosmith headlined - I was there for Metallica, 3 months before Cliff died - and during Aerosmith's set, a guy in the pit was exchanging words with Tyler. This went back and forth for some time, with Tyler making fighting gestures, playing a tough guy. Suddenly, this rando guy hops on stage, gets past security, and Tyler ran behind Joey Kramer's drum riser and hid. Then, security got the guy. It was intense.
More great entertainment from Pete and Martin. Thanks so much for your time guys. Pete always seems to find people with whom he has such a great rapport and it ends up like friends talking in a bar or pub.
I’d rather hear Popoff and Pardo talk about the weather than the @$$clowns on the TV news! Keep up the excellent work, men. Slainte Mhath! 🍻
I was waiting during pt. 1. for someone to bring up Ace Frehley!
Great Ace story: When they brought Bob Kulick in to do Ace's solos for most of the songs on side 4 of Alive II, Kulick walks out into the studio lounge after cutting a take of a solo and who's sitting there but Ace, who looks at Bob and goes "So how'd I do?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tried to meet Ace in 2007....he walked by 5 fans and snubbed us....the show was brilliant as he was drinking water all night.
All due respect to him surviving cancer, even cancer couldn't deal with Mustaine.😉
His auto-biography is insufferable, he constantly puts people down and acts like he never lost a fight. He also has this weird fixation on how other guys dress, like the average Megadeth fan cares what kind of shoes Jeff Young wore in 1987.
@@ryanjacobson2508 Judging by the opening lines of your reply, I almost thought you were talking about Steven Tyler's autobiography. Lol
@@pjbrown4736 I'd say a rock auto-biography implies a certain level of ego to begin, since most of these guys never grow up (thus Mustaine, well into middle age, bragging about street fights he won 30 years ago) and aren't exactly deep or insightful thinkers. Other than certain Prog bands like Rush, most rockers are fairly empty in the intellectual department. On the punk side Greg Ginn and Jello Biafra are quite intelligent (though what they did with that intelligence is another story). Another major self promoter is Henry Rollins, Jesus he never shuts up about himself, and this is a guy too emotionally immature to even seek long term intimate relationships.
Well as far as Yngwie and Kevin Dubrow are concerned, if you can’t get along with Rudy Sarzo , you can’t get along with anyone
Met Rudy Kevin Frankie and Carlos in 2003. Nice guys!
Popoff and Pardo are at again with Part 2 of their discussion of various reasons that certain individuals can be viewed as a 'problem child.' A highly enjoyable second part to this theme. One that has come to my mind - a little outside of the usual SoT field - might be David Crosby formerly of The Byrds as well as Crosby, Stills, Nash with and without Young and often as a duo with Graham Nash. But no more of that. Those two have been feuding for years and there is not much love lost between Crosby and Young. Someone integral to one of my favorite albums [Deja Vu] but seems to have left a trail of harsh feelings and other problems in his wake. Thanks, Martin and Pete, for this show and already looking forward to next week's episode. There ya go!
Was thinking of Crosby too. I like CSN, but I think Crosby's just of an a-hole in general. When Eddie van Halen died, he tweeted, "Meh".
I met Kevin Dubrow once. He was very generous and happy to shake hands and take a picture. He was smiling ear to ear. He made me feel special and I’ll never forget that day. Please keep up your amazing content. Love watching you both
That Ginger Baker doc is great. When John Lydon sings your praises you must be just a little “difficult”.
Agree with Pete 100% about Peter Criss. I am not a huge KISS fan but his voice always stood out for me.
You guys have the best casual weather conversations i ever heard. LOL.
I Would add Jeff Beck and Frank Zappa for different reasons. Jeff Beck never managed to stick in a band situation, which in turn made him miss the bus as far as recognition super guitarists of the late 60s get. Zappa, on the other hand was a super perfectionist and what he wanted from his band was very demanding (that's an understatement).
Very good choices, Beck certainly qualifies. If he could have focused his band, they really could have possibly stolen some of Led Zeppelin's success for themselves, but he was always a restless spirit who never wanted to stay in one place musically.
Zappa had to be Zappa. A true original.
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Zappa was anything but a problem child. He was prolific, original, toured frequently, and was on the cutting edge of studio and recording techniques. Misunderstood maybe, but certainly no problem child
@@peterdelaney7061 Zappa was a true genius who excelled in anything he did - rock, psychedelic, Avant guard, classical, you name it. I listed Zappa here not because he was a trouble maker, or because of his ego or unreliability, far from it. Most musicians who worked with Zappa talk highly of him and feel honoured to having worked with him, and rightly so. So why I listed him here? It is because it was hard to work with him since he demanded so much from his musicians - Three month long rehearsals, unbelievably difficulty auditions, everchanging and never ending concert setlists.
Winter's here and the time is right, for listening to SOT.
This for me was the most enjoyable series that Pete and Martin have done, and that's saying a lot considering how much I enjoy their shows. I devoured both episodes on what turned out to be a rather enjoyable Friday night listening to these guys go back and forth.
Great vid. Looking forward to the Hipgnosis artwork show.
This was a pretty fantastic episode. Nothing really more to add. The Ace Frehley/Peter Chriss discussion was probably my favorite part.
Just think what we might have missed if these individuals weren't the way they are.
Great show as always.
...the *Weather Talk* is ALWAYS the highlight ;)
There's a bit more on Kevin DuBrow's antics with the press in the VH1 Behind the Music interviews from back in the day, but I honestly haven't watched the episode in a long time.
Yngwie says nobody goes to see him to see the singer. He could not be more wrong. If he got one of his better singers I would see him live for sure. Sine he has gone without a singer, I have not seen him for decades.
True at present but about a decade ago I saw him live with Ripper Owens on vocals.
Saw him last week, he kicked major ass 👍
One of my all time favs Capt Beefheart - not always ez to work with to say the least...but brilliant
Thanks for another great show Pete & Martin! Have either of you gentlemen read Yngwie's autobiography "Relentless"? I ask, because Yngwie addresses a lot of the most common criticisms against him in great detail. He honestly explains why he can't retain lead singers. He also discusses why he does not acknowledge Blackmore as an influence on his guitar playing. Personally, I agree with Yngwie that the comparisons between his playing and Blackmore's are a bit overstated. I love both players, but Yngwie's tone, phrasing, songwriting, riffing and soloing are quite different from Blackmore's. Blackmore may have brought touches of classical influences to his music, particularly with Rainbow, but he's fundamentally a blues-based, pentatonic player. Yngwie, while relying somewhat on the blues, is mostly influenced by an entirely different musical tradition, namely the Western art music of Paganini, Bach & Vivaldi. Sorry for the essay here, but Yngwie is probably my favorite guitarist!
Haven’t watched the whole episode yet, but what about Eddie Van Halen?
Lol. I immediately thought of Yngwie When Pete said "ego" .
Us ,of a certain vintage, seem to start a conversation discussing the weather. I thought it was an English trait but good to hear Martin and Pete doing the same thing. Brian Robertson, for me, is a tragic loss to music. I think his contribution to Lizzy and Motorhead showcased a wonderfully melodic tone and subtleties. Anyway another interesting, entertaining and fun video guys...many thanks for your dedication and hard work.
Imagine if Blackmore and Yngwie shared the stage for one moment.Ha.Impossible.There wouldn't be enough real estate to fit their egos let alone the Marshall stacks.But God I would love to be a fly on the wall.
Yngwie was on a G3 tour with Satriani and Vai. All three played a kickass cover of Voodoo Child Slight Return.
I've never heard Martin curse before. The fact that he did so when describing a deceased member of that clownish abomination of a band Quiet Riot was hilarious. Breaking etiquette and speaking ill of the dead. Priceless! 😁
I like this.
Love the show. I could listen for hours and have. Appreciate your encyclopedic knowledge and easy going attitudes.
Thanks for these two episodes, gentlemen!
Hank Williams, Sam Cooke, Bertrand Cantat, Jeffrey Lee Pierce, Paul Baloff, John Cyriis, Paul Di'Anno, Pete Doherty, Mark E. Smith, Elliott Smith. Oh dear, there are so many. Roky Erickson. Fish. Janis Joplin. Nina Simone.
Great show. Look forward to this one every Friday.
Great discussion and choices for both parts 1 & 2.
Part 2 > Part 1 which is an effort in itself.
Loved this show as usual. Great job guys!!!!
Great weather report guys and fantastic t shirts 👕 👌
Again, agreeing with Pete about Ginger Baker and Hawkwind. Few weeks ago I got a 3 CD Levitation set. Disc 2 & 3 were a live concert. Throughout this show I was impressed with how good his drumming was. Anyone wants to hear great drumming get that Hawkwind Levitation 3 CD set.
Hey Martin what did you do to tick off Jack Bruce?
Liam Gallagher. Noel Gallagher. John Lydon. Glenn Danzig. Jerry Only. Ramones (the whole band for the most but mainly Joey & Johnny & Dee Dee)
Good picks!
Rick Wakeman. Not sure if it constitutes a problem child, but 5 separate stints in Yes, 6 if you count Yes featuring ARW project, 7 if you count the ABWH album and tour. There can’t be anyone in rock who has left and rejoined a band that many times. He has to have issues with working with others, and his sheer volume of solo work evidences his desire to do things his way and his alone.
One of the greatest 'problem child' musicians of all times: Alex Harvey. Born in 35 like Elvis Presley. Breakthough in `72 (in Europe) with the Sensational Alex Harvey Band. He is considered to be one of the best frontmen of all times. A few years later a wreck. A pure tragedy. Just listen to the last SAHB song "No complaints department".
Dave Mustaine is crazy....I saw them on clash of titans tour at Alpine valley in 1991. Dave was so out of control and wasted that he started legendary sod fight in front of stage cause argument with some fans of slayer who played before them lol. A fan threw sod at him and he threw it back and boom! That Sod fight caused a change in rules at the venue the following year. Unreal. Worst part of concert was Megadeth. They were reason I went show to begin with. The other bands (Alice in Chains, Slayer, Anthrax) all were really good.
On Cream: Very true about the volatile relationship between Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker going back. In a documentary I saw years ago (can't remember which one), it was said that Ginger wanted to get something going with Eric Clapton, but Clapton stipulated he would do so if Jack Bruce was in as well. Thus, Cream was born.
(P.S. I saw Beware of Mr. Baker not too long after it came out.)
Baker was a bully. Being from Glasgow, Jack refused to back down. That was the source of their problems.
Apparently Ginger took to Jack with a knife when they were in the Graham Bond Organisation for playing too loud or too much Same happened at the Cream renuion shows but instead of knives it was drumsticks.
@@alanthorne3921 Yep, heard the exact same things. I guess it was quite something that Baker and Bruce would be in a band together again after the GBO experience. But, then again, that might not have happened if Clapton didn't make his condition for working with Baker known.
@@alanthorne3921 Baker was a brilliant drummer but seemed a nasty bitter individual. I'm sure Bruce and Clapton had their moments too.
I never liked Baker at all. I saw a documentary about him, I don’t think it was the Beware of Mr Baker film, it was a previous documentary. His grown up son appeared in it, and he was also a drummer. Ginger was really nasty toward him, put him down and said he was a crap drummer. It was his own son. I was just staggered by how cruel and spiteful Ginger Baker was. Legendary drummer, yes. Horrible guy.
16:55 a great impression of an Ingwe solo!
Everyday is a SOT day essential watching 👀
Great stuff guys I really enjoyed both episodes
As far as Yngwie, I liked the earlier stuff, but as time has gone on, it’s just the same album, just with a different title. A million notes that mean nothing.
"Ginger Baker; he appeared at the local blues festival here in Colne, a small town in the UK, with his "band" Jazz Confusion. Did a short set, constantly complained about the sound, adamantly refused to play any Cream numbers etc etc. Generally obnoxious on stage. Back stage i am reliably informed he was even worse! Constantly smoking when as everyone knows that is no longer allowed indoors in the UK, leaving cigarette burns on furniture and stuff like that.
contrast with Jack Bruce who appeared with the Norman Beaker band, played a good blues set and ended with the Cream classics. Absolute magic! And by all accounts he was a pretty decent guy.
The. Who is like the Beatles and Rush in that every member is a stand alone star.
@@chielvandenboomen4925 When I was young Ringo was the only Beatle I knew. He sang Yellow Submarine and I was very proud of myself that I knew a Beatle.😊
I would 110% put Vinnie Vincent anytime before Ace and Peter...
Thinking about Snowy White - how about a video on odd fits
Hello, Pete. I am a big fan of your channel and most of the shows. Your channel made me investigate a lot of new music for me.
Many people suggest themes for your shows. One topic that might be for you and Martin to discuss is the following (the topic is not entirely new, you talked about it in different variants elsewhere). So imaging you have an album that you once rated very very high among the catalogue of a certain band. You did not listen to this particular album for a long time for one reason or another (perhaps you listened to an album too much at some point or whatever). Some time passes, you remember that album as being one of the best, but you are afraid to listen to it out of fear that you will not like it as you once did. You put it on to listen, and you discover that you fears were either founded or unfounded... I myself would no be able to come up with 5 examples of such bands for me, but perhaps you and Martin would. In any case, just a random thought.
Keep on good work.
Yes, we've actually covered something very similar before.
I always thought Ritchie and Yngwie were musical vampires. They extract what they want out of other talented musicians and quickly move in to the next one.
Thanks for a marvelous show. Very engaging. Brian Jones?
One guy that comes to mind is David Coverdale. Too many great musicians have gone through Whitesnake to be believed. The band's musical quality has been fairly consistent over the years but if you successful wouldn't you stay? He's had some huge fallings out over the years, John Sykes (Yes we know his eccentricities), Cozy Powell. Micky Moody (sacked twice) and Adrian Campbell to name a few. Does he rule with an iron fist, stifle their creativity, limit their input, underpay them? Who knows?
In public recently, I have noticed Coverdale talks very warmly about musicians he has previously worked with. He has had bust-ups but he does not appear to hold grudges.
Ace was always shitfaced back in the day. I think he’s been sober for a good while these days, so I don’t know why they can’t get it together with the man the fans want to see up there(even if it’s the last tour). Mustaine has the same story, different band. I think Dave used the anger over the firing to propel the first 3 albums, but then he sobered up and the “Shultz mad scientist” perfectionist thing kicked in after the perfection of Rust & the popularity of Countdown. Keith Moon? What can you say…his drumming represented the bombastic craziness that was Keith Moon. I’m a drummer and he is my 2nd favorite behind Bonzo, only. Nobody has came close to his turbulent style, at least on stage behind the kit.
Also agree about the Ginger Baker thing. I am a HUGE Rush fan, with all due respect I skip through Neil Pearts drum solos. Love Zeppelin as well, but not gonna listen to Moby Dick. But I expressly listen to the Toad drum solo when they did that reunion in 2005.
I knew Ginger Baker would come up. Read his autobio. During BBM, Ginger turned up at rehearsals and Gary Moore was blasting out so loud that GM blew his own ears out and had to go to the doctor. Ginger Baker said he didn't need a doctor he needed a psychiatrist!!!
Live & Dangerous was released before Black Rose. Brian (Robbo) Robertson left for good in '78, and Gary (Garence) Moore joined permanently-on-paper then. Still, Brian is the perfect subject here. There's mention in Chris Glen's autobiography that GTR was a band featuring himself, Phil (Philthy Animal) Taylor and Brian Robertson in around '85, but the project ended when Brian and Phil, er, you can guess, had a fight! Robbo was briefly in Statetrooper, Gary Barden's band, in '86/'87, but didn't record with them - a pity. Gary Barden was asked if having a fiery guy like Robbo in the band was a worry, and he said: "No. He's a pussycat compared with Schenker!" 🤣
I await Steven Tyler's K Pop album with interest.
"Funny, Engaging, and Smart"
What are three of the last words I would ever use to describe Gene Simmons?
Dave Mustaine is >still< obsessed with being kicked out of Metallica - to this day, he brings it up in interviews without even having to be prompted. I used to think he was being whiny, and that he didn't appreciate or have the proper perspective on how successful Megadeth has been. But then I reconsidered when I looked at 1) just HOW MUCH more Metallica have out-sold their thrash peers - it's not even close. More importantly 2) he never really got the credit for being the inventor of thrash metal. To me, that's the more egregious part and I can't say I blame him. Scott Ian has said "without a Dave Mustaine, we don't get thrash metal."
And, along the lines of what Pete said here, if you listen to the No Life 'Til Leather demo it's clear that Mustaine's style was fully formed before James Hetfield's. James didn't even initially play guitar when Dave joined the band. Metallica are universally recognized as the band that invented thrash but Dave gets mostly left out there. (It didn't help that it took Megadeth 'til '85 to release their debut, either.) I think it's unhealthy for this guy not to have made peace with this, but I could totally see the lack of proper recognition burning someone up for their whole lifetime.
I read Mustaine's autobiography and his bitterness towards it all was astounding. While it was good to hear his side of the story and in a few instances Metallica didn't come off very good, Mustaine's bitterness overshadowed the whole book.
Keith Moon’s insecurities were not his issues, he was most likely bi-polar.
All the booze didn't help . And no one to keep him in line. " Born to die young".
@@jimfritz9503 yeah, all part of his illness.
Not sure who was the problem child but most things I have heard/read point to Tarja's husband/manager as being massively responsible for the first (and my favourite) period of Nightwish ending
Moon biography written by Tony Fletcher.
Love Malmsteen discovered him on the Steeler album genuinely one of a kind
These are the same stories dissected over and over again from any different angle or premise that they can possibly think up. How many slices are left in the pie. ? Rock journalism has always been kinda weird. Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. LOL. But I still love them. And listen.
Gary Moore was undoubtedly a genius but he could be a nightmare. He quit Thin Lizzy in the middle of their USA tour.
Gary was a complete perfectionist who wanted things his way. So was Phil. That's why when they worked together, they made great music. It just never lasted long.
@@HuddshouseofRockNMetal Can't have the light without the heat. Two great geniuses, sorely missed.
Another entertaining episode . Many thanks for that . I look forward to the Hipgnosis discussion next week , as my son recently got me a book about the creation and history of the company , and how all of the covers were conceived and put together . It's a complete visual catalogue put together by one of the founding members
( Aubrey Powell ) of the company . Anyway , it should be fun next week . Cheers !!
GingerBaker was a bloody old bastard.🤣Good vid👍
Great as usual! One note: Yngwie was in Steeler with Ron Keel, not Keel. I would add Vivian Campbell, maybe is a stretch, but he had problems with Dio, with Whitesnake, he seems to be a good guy but he talked shit about almost every band he was in ( before Leppard): Shadow King, Whitesnake, Dio...
Yeah, meant to say Steeler.
Hmm , I’ve heard Yngwie say a million times that he WAS totally influenced by Blackmore
Brian Robertson for sure Martin! Wild Horses was great btw!
I have a claim to fame about Ginger Baker and his "grumpiness". My dad used to work with my grandad in a plumbing and heating company some time in the 60s. They got a call out to ginger bakers house but he wasn't around. They were there a couple of days and still no sign. So my dad and uncle decided to explore the huge house and came across his music room. My dad does nothing more than take a seat at bakers kit, pick up a pair of sticks and start bashing away. Only for a door to slam open kicked violently and in came Baker and gave my dad such a bollocking. He wasn't allowed to go back whilst my grandad finished the work alone. Dad was always so indignant about it and said.. Bloody arse shouting at me like that, so I said to him one day.. Ya know what Dad... I'd have done exactly the same, instruments are precious, they are ours and nobody touches them unless you are told you can.
Part of the reason why KISS' Psycho Circus was not good was due to the lack of involvement from Ace and Peter, not only with songwriting but also performing the instruments. Gene and Paul treated it as their baby and reduced Ace and Peter to the role of well-paid sidemen or glorified "special guests", appearing on just 3 tracks overall. If it had been a true collaboration, it might've still stunk! But I've no doubt that the end product would've been better than what we did get.
Martin, 'hiccupping down the road', made me spit my tea! Hilarious!
This was really well done Martin & Pete. Thank you!
Aerosmith should have gotten Billy Squier.
Good ol' Robbo ... dressing as a gay tennis coach & refusing to play the hits just to piss off Motorhead & their fans. That's punk rock. Robbo story time: a friend who was in a post-Smiths indie group in the 90s played a Battle of the Bands & Brian Robertson was one of the judges. A heavy metal band won the competition. Now, the friend in question had a tendency to, shall we say, embellish his stories, but he assured me this happened and it sounds typically Robbo. He's packing his gear away & Robbo comes over for a chat. 'I voted for you. I wanted you to win.' 'Really? I'd have thought you'd have been into that metal band.' And Robbo looks at him as if he's nuts & says, 'I've had enough of that shite!' Butch needs to read this. Ha ha!
During his time with Motorhead didn't he want it to be like "Motorhead Featuring Brian Robertson" or something like that.
@@nodnarb0185 That wouldn't surprise me. It seems as if he had the hump a lot of the time in both Lizzy & Motorhead. Great player. Miserable git. 😂
If you could've predicted where and when the brawls would take place and had a phone back then to video all of that raw craziness, that would've been very lucrative. Or at least you could have your own ' problem child chaos' video home library collection. It would be hard to 'not watch' those videos.
I saw Alcatrazz on tour with Malmsteen and I actually felt sorry for the other members of the band.
What I remember about Kevin Dubrow's problem child reputation is his feud with Ozzy in the 80's. Quiet Riot had released Metal Health and was doing well, then Kevin has to go out and start fighting with Ozzy over...something. Part of it was Kevin still whining that Randy left Quiet Riot to join Ozzy's band, the rest was Kevin trying to get some attention.
Ozzy's solo career was established at this point, plus he had his Black Sabbath years so Ozzy was clearly the "big dog" in the yard so Kevin really came off like the yapping puppy. Some rock magazine at the time had a article about duets or collaborations they wanted to see. First one listed was Ozzy & Quiet Riot, I think their reasoning was they hated each other so much something good would come out of it. I was telling a friend about the article and he was wondering what song they could possibly do together. I said "I Don't Care About You" by Fear.
I love shout at the devil but always thought Vince just sucks. Then...now...always haha. I also always thought that Mick Mars was the secret weapon in Motley Crue.
Yep, Nikki and Mick made some good tunes but good lord Vince sucks. His voice is paper thin and his persona tainted the credibility of the band.
@@ryanjacobson2508 I mean his voice kinda fits the first 2 albums, but imagine them with an actual good singer.
Great show Pete and Martin, keep them coming gentlemen!
One that I thought might be seen as a problem child, in an odd way is Brian Wilson.
It's been a long time since I've seen a physical copy of Rising Force, but I swear I remember seeing Yngwie mentioning Blackmore in the 'thank you' section. Blackmore, on the other hand, has publicly insulted Yngwie in interviews. They are two sides of the same coin.
One is a classic rock guitarist, the other is a bloated 80's widdler, whose style hasn't been relevant for 40 years. Ritchie didn't insult the silly swede, he just pointed out that his "music" has no balls.
Ginger was a true "nutter". But, damn, "Sunrise On The Sufferbus" by Masters Of Reality and "Around The Next Dream" by BBM are awesome records!
Richie Blackmore. Lightning in a bottle but Purple had to manage without him eventually. Micheal Schenker but he was alcoholic. Robertson, great gtr player but Lizzy members swore they wouldn't work with him again. Madness. A band like Queen and Zeppelln can have a great career if they control their ego. Scorpions dispensed with the drummer a couple of years ago after an incident and of course Phil Rudd of AC/DC. Let's not forget Steve Perry of Journey or Lindsay Buckingham. We all know that Tyler without Aerosmith would be playing in clubs. With them it's 20,000 plus a night.
Even though mentioned last episode the ego award goes to Richie Blackmore.
No mention of Ozzy who got kicked out of Black Sabbath? By the way I'll take 80's Metallica albums over any Megadeth album any day.
Two great bands. If I was combining their 1980- 1990 discographies I’d rank them like this.
1. Rust in Peace 2. Ride the Lightning 3. Master of Puppets 4. Peace Sells 5. Killing is my Business 6. And Justice For All 7. So Far So Good So What
So I can’t agree with you, its difficult to separate them. Rust in Peace only comes top by a whisker. All classic albums.
8. Kill em all.
@@jimmycampbell78 It's just a personal preference, like what kind of food people like to eat.
Kudos for Martin to give a shout out to Napalm Death. I have been a fan since the Harmony Corruption album got released and they have yet to release something bad.
Great choices.
Pete, what's really funny about Ginger Baker is not so much what people have said about him over a 50+ year period, but what he has to say about people in his autobiography, "Hellraiser" !
Great drummer, innovative musician, crucial in the development of psychedelic, progressive, jazz fusion and heavy metal rock drumming, yet, in his own words, comes across as hilariously unlikeable.
Patrick Moraz?
Charles Manson. Some would say he had a bit of an ego. You know, "son of God" and all that.
You guys should've saved those honorable mentions for a third show. I find some of them more interesting than the ones you picked. Vince Neil however was a good choice. I prefer Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx over Vince Neil. I never understood the appeal. Axl Rose or as I like to call him, A**hole Rose, the problem child poster child, diva behavior, riots, Chinese Democracy you name it. Pete also has his own Axl story. Greg Allman would've been another good one along w/C.C. Deville. Cozy Powell, really? He was more of a gun for hire so he could afford to be opinionated.
Anyway, good show, wish there was a part three😢