Nick Murray - " The GTS is a package of everything unnecessary offered on the 911" also Nick Murray - " I have a collection of casio calculator watches"
A GTS has a bunch of unnecessary add ons? Says the guy with the seatbelt outlet trim in leather for $550, steering column casing in leather for another $500 and model designation stamped into the armrest for $350. Personal taste is ALWAYS considered unnecessary by other people.
Nick, what I love about your reviews is that you always provide a detailed & very honest take on all cars. So even though you 're a Porsche and a BMW guy, you're not afraid to admit when something is wrong with them or when a competitor does it better. But yet you're still positive about the whole experience...
I think he’s right about the Alcantara, looks so so when it’s new, when it’s a few years old can look horrible. I would however order the PDK and sport PASM with full leather interior.
Hello Nick! As an M4 owner, i had come across a few of your M4 videos before. Now that i've placed my GTS order, more of your videos came up on my 911 GTS searches. Since, apparently, we tend to like the same cars, i just subscribed to your channel. Personally, i like the GTS, not only for the once more prestigious series name badge, but also for all the sports oriented extras it gives me at a cheaper price, with the wider body (i don't like 4wd). By the way, i like the fact you also went with the manual transmission. All my fun cars have to be manual!
Ok Nick, you did it again! You can't hide your hate about the GTS... By the way, Euro delivery is back! I'm just coming from Europe where I did 6k road trip on a GTS and JES, never cross my mind having less power and less handling capacity. On the Nurburgring, it's was totally impressive and on the ALPS, never get tired because of the suspension, always super comfy even after full day driving. Did the German autobahn (where you MUST put the firm suspension setting at very high speed), Austrian, Italian, French and Swiss ALPS. Also the Mediterranean coastal roads and nothing to complain about the GTS. I was waking up at night and thinking: "Are we morning yet, are we morning yet" Here some FACTS: 1. You CANNOT order a Carrera S with the wide body like the GT3 (4wd out of the question when you know how to drive and Porsche proved it by not putting the AWD on the GT3 and the GT2). This is enough argument to order a GTS right there. 2. On the Nurburgring (The absolute reference for sports cars), the GTS do it in 7m24s and the Carrera S in 7.34. 10 second faster, than the S and even faster than the Ferrari ENZO! This is great performance for just little more money than the S. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times 3. The front lip RARELY touch the ground, only when I was doing the Stelvio pass because the turn was so tight and it was fun anyway to hear the front lip touching the alsphat because you take the curve too fast! By the way, the front lip is made of cheap black plastic and it's designed to be changed without spending big $. 4. On the autobahn, the GTS manual 7 speeds can do 200mph, not the S! ruclips.net/video/k-nym4O7wt8/видео.html 5. About the Centerlock wheels, when you have a flat tire, you call Porsche assitance because you don't want a grease monkey touching your car anyway. Also, never heard you complaining about the Turbo S, GT3 or GT2 wheels (Centerlock also)... Finally, the rims are larger than the ones you can get on the Carrera S (.5 inches) so that's another things that is not possible to upgrade on a S. 6. The sound insulation is different on a GTS providing more engine noise inside the car. Also another option not available on the S... 7. About the black theme, I was prepared to add all those option on the S before the announced the GTS so it's a huge $ saving to have it all on the GTS. If you don't like it, you can change it to std config as well as the Alcantara interior for 0$ 8. The GTS represent the most desirable 911 to drive on roads for performance/confort and you can also take it on the track, it will perform pretty good. The GT3 is really tough to get and a lot more expensive. Turbo and Turbo S are 4wd and PDK only so only for baby boomers (no offense). Keep making videos Nick so I can correct you when you talked about the 911 GTS :) Regards.
To give you a more complete answer... I totally agree with all your points (well aside from 3 and 8) of course the GTS is faster as I said in the video, my point is that to get the small amount of extra performance you sacrifice some of the fun, joy and convenance of owning and driving a 911. A GTS is faster but back to back the base Carrera is more fun to drive every time.
Fact #3, I think the front lip might hit the road in city driving (speed hump, etc) but didn't experience it in GTS driving (Grand Touring Sport). That might explain our different experience between Nick & I. By the way, Nick 911 front lip looks more damaged than the GTS one... Probably because the GTS is new, I know. Finally, Porsche offer the front axle lift option so not a real problem since there is a solution when you ordered. GT3 and GT2 are way worse and Nick do not bitch about them, why is that possible? (see my explanation at end of Fact #8) Fact #8, the GTS is a Grand Touring Sport, if that's your kind of usage, it's the car for you. You do racetracks, buy a GT3 or a GT2. You do city driving most of the time, bought a Carrera. If you bought a Carrera S before the GTS was available, do like Nick, bitch about the GTS...
@@claudeauclair4771 damn you're aggressive aren't you ? The Carrera is wide enough for the 991 and you're actually saying Porsche Assistance will help with the annoying centre locks which cost a lot to replace. It is faster because of the power kit engine like a simple tune, not a specific engine like the GT3. GTS is extra harsh and if you like the front lip scrapping dont expect others to agree too. Sure the GTS is the sportiest Carrera but its in no way a special specific built Carrera like the GT3, when you can option out the same thing in a S. It's a package model simple as, a sporty package model with so called race options.
These two cars with manual transmissions & non professional drivers almost invalidate the experiment, The GTS was clearly the faster, you can see it pull ahead between gear changes, the GTS driver seemingly messed up every gear change. I'd expect the more commonly supplied PDK semi auto gearbox cars to produce a different outcome and in favor of the GTS.
Yes I think he even started in a lower gear than me each time so he would pull ahead and then have to change. I think the interesting part is that when both in 4th gear side by side the GTS did not pull ahead.
I also should have said well done for making the effort to do this, another pointer to my slight bias is that my GTS is on order and I've optioned the PDK,
The manual box is just more fun, and once you master it nothing else compares. There is nothing like banging through the first few gears and nailing every shift. Takes practice though.
Interesting video Nick. I also had to make the choice of 2S or GTS. Went with the 2S and am loving it. PASM -10 still needs some care, a further -10, plus longer overhang would definitely require a lot of caution and the $A6k front lift option in Sydney. That doesn't make for a relaxed daily driver. I was also a little sceptical about the alcantara and the dull look of the satin black centre locks. The RS Spyder wheels take a little more effort to clean but look great when you do. Overall, although you get a discount with the options in GTS pack, in my case it offered a number of options I was not fussed about. The S with PDK and sport chrono is way fast enough for my licence. Love your channel!
You're crazy, Nick. I love the GTS trim. It's the sweet spot in the 911 lineup, as far as the price to performance ratio, and it looks sporty. What's so wrong with that? That said, my top choice in the lineup would be the new GT3 Touring because you get the lovely 4.0 na engine, as well as a more mature aesthetic.
I love how Nick compares the cars side by side. He's saving me a lot of money on my builds by dropping to a lower model and going for the 4 way seats over the 18 way seats.
+1 for the C4S front active vents / aero. Radiator doesn't become a giant leaf collector during the fall / winter seasons. I had to put in customer made grill for my Cayman to stop debris from collecting there.
John G also I'm thinking of a AMG gtr but is it really a gas guzzler like they say want to do a vacation take off need to know if to bring gas with me just in case no gas station
Anything you may consider in performance comparisons has been thought about by Porsche a thousand times. There 911 variants are stacked for a reason: to create performance variance from model to model. The GT3 runs Nurburgring in 7.13; the GTS in 7.23; and the Carrera S in 7.34. Yes, they are all highly capable super cars, but there is performance variance. The GTS and Carrera S times cited were achieved by the same test driver.
The thing I like most about these videos are how ppl spec or just buy an existing 911. It amazes me how one car can be so many different ways. I don’t think Nick would like the options I’d pick at all.😂
Though the power difference is only about 7 percent between the GTS and S, there would be more to be gained with a software tune (On the GTS) due to the larger turbos being able to flow more on the top end.
What? This guy sold his Mercedes-AMG GT S to buy a 911 GTS. It does pay to do your homework before you buy a car which is right for you. Otherwise, it will be, buy trade-in, buy trade-in. Again, the 911 GTS is a matter of personal choice. You need to weigh up whether it's worth paying the extra cost. I think you cannot go wrong if you buy any 911 CS/C4S with the options you want. Nick, you were being very nice about this car, it seems you held back just a little. Tell us how you really hate anything alcantara, middle twin sport exhausts, GT3 front bumper bar, GTS side logo, wheels, engine sound, turbo lag etc. Ohhhhh hang on, I think you kinda did.
The dude can't even find a gear, I don't think he's too clued up on cars, he probably just buys whatever catches his eye without even looking at the specs.
Love your videos Nick, but from the outset you were quite negative about the GTS and it came through in your video. Everything from the engine, to the styling and the price. It came across as quite biased and it was obvious you thought your car was a better choice, but for the LIFE of me, i will never understand how someone can purchase a 4 model 911 and have such a purest tone about them .... Each to their own mate.
Oh man...I always forget you only have around 120k subs....This channel deserves a lot more than that because the quality of your videos are amazing! Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see your channel grow!
I am absolutely delighted with my 10 week old GTS in GT silver. With a GTS you still need to order a custom build though and I find the long wait really tries my patience. I use mine every day so I have PASM -10mm rather than S-PASM -20mm. I have black leather with 18-way seats in place of the 4-way alcantara that come as standard. I have a torque wrench and break bar kit in a nice neat case that fits perfectly in the trunk; I bought it on Amazon. My options added 21 percent to the price and include adaptive cruise and blind spot monitoring, front axle left, glass sunroof, PDK, multi function steering wheel, keyless entry and drive and rear wheel steering. I also have power steering plus, folding mirrors (I set them to turn in when the car is locked so I can tell at a glance if it's locked) rear wiper and comfort lighting. I also added some purely cosmetic bits including brushed aluminium trim, silver belts, aluminium PDK shifter, crests on the seat backs and stainless door sills because the standard ones are too short. I left the GTS logo on the doors and the rear end but it does look a little busy and had I ordered a 4 GTS I would likely have trimmed it back to just 911. If I was ordering it today I would add ventilated seats.
Hi Nick, there is one thing, that should be kept in mind. There have been dyno-tested several stock GTS and Carerra S in germany and the Carrera S had a range from 423 hp to about 440 hp. The GTS had a range from 451-476 hp. All cars were completely stock! So if you compared a good Carrera S at the top of the range with a GTS at lower range, it is no suprise at all what happened. So this only makes sense if you dyno-check the cars before testing. My GTS - also a manual -for ex. had measured 469 hp stock. And by the way after some little adjustments (exhaust + air filter) it now has 492 PS. :-)
It could also be possible that your C4S just has a "healthier" engine than most other C4S's? How many miles has that GTS done? Could still be a bit tight.. Great review though! keep em coming!
There is one thing that can't be added to C2S in options... GTS has wider rear body and only for this feature it is worth to buy GTS instead of C2S. Of course this applies only to rear wheel drive models, C4S has the same body as GTS models.
Very interesting outcome Nick!! I tried doing the same kind of video here in the Uk between my lightweight 964 and a 997S.. they were close but no way I can put it on youtube..would probably be arrested.. we just don't have traffic-less dual carriageways here.. it's a nightmare of cars everywhere. You think theres a tiny gap and then a Polo pops up to spoil it. Great vid, really interesting result..
I wonder how much the four-wheel drive system contributes to to the base car performance ? Putting all that power through four wheels instead of two kinda makes sense.
I would now any day get a powerkit on a regular S than buy a GTS.. why? I get to keep the regular ride height and standard nose with a better approach angle. The GTS would keep scraping underneath ... and it has those silly centre lock wheels
Great review. I’m still a bit confused on which 991.2 models have wider rear ends. GTS yes. Not the C2S or 4S? Finally, for the money, I’m interested in missing the largest turbo swap possible in stock location. Does this mean the Carrera T is the car for me? Minus the wide rear end? But then need AP Racing brakes. Sooo..maybe GTS or C2S after all?
Just spent 2 days on a porsche race training day, pretty much all of the 21 drivers and 12 instructors put the GTS as there favourite 911 (we drove all the models including the turbo, except the GT2/GT3). 911’s are drivers cars not drag cars, the GTS was the best drivers 911 by a long shot. Car statistics only tell half the story.
I really love how you remind people that your opinions are just that your opinions and everyone’s vary! I love the GTS but as you said it’s not for everyone. Great review thanks! Rick
Not sure if anyone asked this yet but the first thing that came to my mind was: has the GTS even been broken in yet? The second thought was that the driver of the GTS appears to not be very comfortable driving a three pedal manual.
Nick you make a great point on the size of the turbos and responsiveness vs power. As enthusiasts, we’d like both....but as you’ve mentioned elsewhere, the output of the 911s (up and down the range) is enough-to-more-than-enough. So, I’d wager the base motor would be my favorite too.....if only it came in a manual! Keep up the good work!
Ok, so I have viewed your video's in the past and have found that they are usually fairly accurate and informative. However, I feel compelled to comment on this one. Just returned from Stuttgart after doing some research on the X51 Powerkit upgrade for my 2017 C2S (sport package already optioned). I had the opportunity to drive a 2018 Porsche 911 2018 GTS on the Nurburgring (courtesy of RSR) and decided to do the install once I returned to the states. I updated my car on March 19th of this year. Based on my Aim Solo data logger, my 0 to 60 average time decreased from 3.42 to 3.27 after 15 launches on two separate outings. The 1/4 mile trap time decreased as well by just shy of 3 tenths of a second (I would be happy to email you the screen shots). I actually live close-by in New Canaan and would be willing to challenge your C4S against my C2S with the Powerkit (no other upgrades) at your availability. We could wager a cheeseburger at the Shake Shack in Westport? I do not believe your car can compare in any rolling comparison. It might be possible to catch me on the 0 to 60 launch with 4 wheel drive, but you would be hard pressed even in that regard... your call!
Thanks for the comment Richard. I think you mis-heard this video, I said several times that the power kit engine is more powerful, I have never disputed that. It is only a very small increase in power (as shown by your .15 second 0-60 improvement) but a power kit engine will beat a standard S engine in a race normally. Personally I don't think the extra power is worth the trade off for the additional turbo lag and the issues the Power kit engine owners seem to face but you have to balance with your own views and requirements of course. I think anyone wanting more power out of their 3.0L engine would be happier with a very mild tune to say 480hp. That only costs $1,500 and the results are far more noticeable without the extra lag?
What about the things you cannot package....the widebody and the reduced sound deadening and the unofficial tweaks to the stearing and exhaust that porsche have made
Great fun! I have never considered that my 4S would be faster than a Gts. I wonder if the 4S with the double clutch woul does better because it would eliminate the “time lost” in switching gears. I also agree with Nick-the base 12:53 Carrera. the most fun in sudden acceleration is the base. Nick give us a review of the hybrid 911. Can wait to drive test one of them.
Another good review Nick, I am a fan of the GTS after having the 991.1 4 GTS and the 991.2 Targa GTS but I can understand your comments on the power is marginally noticeable. I currently own the 991.2 Turbo S which is incredible
it is clear that the guy in the GTS doesn't push the gears to an acceptable rpm to shift. So it is all about driver skills. in this case Nick is a better driver! And of course he knows best!!
The GTS is probably the best value for money if you are into sportier 911s. Center lock wheels are a pain in the ass for track use (because its tough to swap them). I actually like the styling cues. Is PASM worth it? I’m not sure. Overall, I feel like the GTS is a hit or miss. Some people love them and some hate them. The latter being old men like you Nick.
I'm still not getting the idea of the GTS from level. So until yet, all I know is that you get a slight power upgrade, slightly lower to the ground, more sport focused design, and a lot of payed-options that you get for free in the GTS. Right?
Hi Nick, there appears to be quite a few manuals in the 911 line up now. I think it would be really interesting to do a comparison between the 911 T, 911 GTS and 911 GT3 Touring. They later two are not so dissimilar in price and the 911 T uses the base 911 engine which as you say is really good and powerful enough in the real world.
Great video, I love Miami Blue. Surprised to here the owner traded in his AMG GTS. I recently reviewed the AMG GT R and that car was a beast on the track
Is such a low mileage standard in expensive-car warranties? 50k isn't a lot (nor is 4 years, frankly). That doesn't bode well for anticipated reliability on an older or higher mileage car.
Hey Nick so funny to hear you say how the GTS is “just a little bit faster”. Well got good news the other day , my GTS IS ON THE BOAT sh/ be taking delivery end of the month...I told you that I passed on the Alcantara interior , now if I get rid of those amazing black wheels (probably not happening) you would have to admit that my car is far and away the better 911 ..😜
Great review. I’m still a bit confused on which 991.2 models have wider rear ends. GTS yes. Not the C2S or 4S? Finally, for the money, I’m interested in installing the largest turbo swap possible in stock location. Does this mean the Carrera T is the car for me? Minus the wide rear end? But then need AP Racing brakes. Sooo..maybe GTS or C2S after all?
Your friend is a sub-par manual transmission driver. The GTS is better than the S in every way. As confirmed by nearly every single car enthusiast magazine.
I live in Vegas where it’s hot and I only get Alcantara wheels because they don’t get anywhere near as hot as a leather wheel. No brainer. Sorry Nick. Lol
I don't know if the GTS is properly broken in yet. Does it even have 2000 miles on it as per Porsche manual of when the car mileage wise might be broken in more. In addition, I wonder if it's a driver issue too. Seems like the GTS drive has a slight pause between shifts. I'm wondering if your buddy put on more miles on his GTS and ran with yours again, would it be a slightly different story. Perhaps I'm giving the GTS owner the benefit of doubt.
Hi Nick. It looks to me he was pulling away from u initially until he had to shift, then he fell behind. So it is possible he is still not very comfortable pushing a manual car combined with slow shifting and I suspect since the car is still new he was shifting too soon and before the RPM approaches redline. These new engines are incredible though, I own 991.2 4S targa which is heavier than your car and On track, I was able to match or beat slightly my times while driving my 991.1 GT3 on same track, which was surprising considering the GT3 has 475 hp, vs 420 hp on my targa, and also PDK vs manual on targa, but it just goes to show u how good is this new car with the turbo engine. Said that, I also had a chance to drive the 991.2 GTS on barber Motorsports during one of Porsche driving school events and it is incredibly fast and I was able to keep up with 911 GT3 RS, which I was not able to do with the 911 S 991.2, so I think the GTS would be a bit faster in the right hands. Great video. Mark
I own the 2018 gts. If you don't own one you cannot comment. Taking a car for a spin or review is not the same as owning it and driving it everyday. Porsche always underestimate their speed capabilities and mine has been timed at just over 3 SECS 0-60 and 200mph. I have not had a problem with turbo lag , you only get this if you don't know how to drive the thing. I test drove the whole range even the gt3, great car but not an everyday driver. The gt3 is the pick of bunch.
Nick, do you think the glass roof works with lighter colors like Miami Blue? I’m not sure I like the contrast as it distracts from the basic 911 shape.
Very enlightening. I do not think you'll ever tempt someone out of buying a gts, but I expected more and what was up with that shifting and letting go of the gas in the gts? It's an auto. No need to release the gas when you shift (it was an auto, right?)
Dbn Poldermans It was a manual, you could see it when Nick was driving it in the beginning. The Gts driver was clearly not good (or as good as Nick, should I say), because the Gts is lighter and makes more power and torque. Nicks 911 has no advantage, except for him driving it. If the Gts had the Pdk, it would have left Nick for dead. You could see how the Gts pulls hard on the start of the race and slows down so much during each shift.
Sam was smart to get out of his AMG GTS, because Mercedes FINALLY updated the A-Class interior, which is shared with the GT range. So when the new GT range hits, the values of the old will plummet... worse than normal LOL BTW Love the Miami Blue!
For my money, I'd buy the 991.2 base carrera in manual. These new 911s are so mod friendly now because of turbos it really makes less sense now to get the up rated engines.
Are you sure they were giving you thumbs up and not showing a middle finger saying "stop driving like you own the road bellend!"?
Either way... a middle finger is 'you are number 1"
As Seinfeld says, it's one finger away from a thumbs up
Lean punctuation before you mouth off Numpty.
Feel better now, boo boo?
The ONE - "learn" is the word you were looking for not "lean". You made yourself look like a right tit, didn't you.
Nick Murray - " The GTS is a package of everything unnecessary offered on the 911"
also Nick Murray - " I have a collection of casio calculator watches"
I am the way, the truth, the light.
After watching this, I agree, the GTS would be a pass for me. I'd save the money and buy his car, speced with a PDK and an aftermarket tune.
A GTS has a bunch of unnecessary add ons? Says the guy with the seatbelt outlet trim in leather for $550, steering column casing in leather for another $500 and model designation stamped into the armrest for $350. Personal taste is ALWAYS considered unnecessary by other people.
AmericanPsycho73 well said
Not to mention AWD and a cream leather interior 🤦♂️
True dat
@@jstoli996c4s that cream leather is hideous
Westy yes I agree
Looks like he was making a sandwich between every shift
Alex Chavez lmao
Turkey on rye
Alex Chavez that's how the Kiwis shift it's the cultural difference
Alex Chavez you made me happy today thanks
Legit made me laugh
Nick in my country the center lock wheels would be and advantage in my country because it will avoid wheel thiefs
You just gotta worry about the rest of the car being stolen haha
Nick, what I love about your reviews is that you always provide a detailed & very honest take on all cars. So even though you 're a Porsche and a BMW guy, you're not afraid to admit when something is wrong with them or when a competitor does it better. But yet you're still positive about the whole experience...
The GTS guy just cannot shift
He literally had the car for a week. Give that poor guy a break.
Ok, GTS is much faster anyways ;-)
And he doesn't watch Nicks videos :) Alcantara steering wheel + miami blue!
I don't mind Alcantara but I'm with Nick on the subject of Miami blue. lol
I think he’s right about the Alcantara, looks so so when it’s new, when it’s a few years old can look horrible.
I would however order the PDK and sport PASM with full leather interior.
haha does he know how to Drive manual this guy ???? haha plus expectedly Nick was bashing the GTS ;), in the right hands the GTS will walk the 4s
You know it! :)
luimarco lmao i am subscribed to both of you. never thought id see you here. slaute both of you :p
Yazan A. Luimarco knows what's good
Yazan A. me too, feeling weird
I salute this opinion
Basically you are explaining how much you hate on the 911 Carrera GTS in a polite way 😂
I was trying to explain that the GTS is clearly the fastest Carrera but at the cost of being the least fun Carrera to own and drive
Hello Nick!
As an M4 owner, i had come across a few of your M4 videos before. Now that i've placed my GTS order, more of your videos came up on my 911 GTS searches.
Since, apparently, we tend to like the same cars, i just subscribed to your channel.
Personally, i like the GTS, not only for the once more prestigious series name badge, but also for all the sports oriented extras it gives me at a cheaper price, with the wider body (i don't like 4wd).
By the way, i like the fact you also went with the manual transmission. All my fun cars have to be manual!
The GTS is by far the best "normal" 911.
The new T is,this guy should have got one..
The GTS is the fastest normal 911, it is not the most fun to drive or the easiest to live with.
I think the best would be a base 911 RWD manual. I really don't think you wan't to drive cars that are super stiff on public roads.
Jeff K I agree
Only because it’s the one I’ve got 😄
Isn't a regular c4s with the sportkit upgrade to 450hp the same speed?
It's funny how Nick always catches up with the GTS in the gearshifts! I wonder why?
Ok Nick, you did it again! You can't hide your hate about the GTS... By the way, Euro delivery is back! I'm just coming from Europe where I did 6k road trip on a GTS and JES, never cross my mind having less power and less handling capacity. On the Nurburgring, it's was totally impressive and on the ALPS, never get tired because of the suspension, always super comfy even after full day driving. Did the German autobahn (where you MUST put the firm suspension setting at very high speed), Austrian, Italian, French and Swiss ALPS. Also the Mediterranean coastal roads and nothing to complain about the GTS. I was waking up at night and thinking: "Are we morning yet, are we morning yet"
Here some FACTS:
1. You CANNOT order a Carrera S with the wide body like the GT3 (4wd out of the question when you know how to drive and Porsche proved it by not putting the AWD on the GT3 and the GT2). This is enough argument to order a GTS right there.
2. On the Nurburgring (The absolute reference for sports cars), the GTS do it in 7m24s and the Carrera S in 7.34. 10 second faster, than the S and even faster than the Ferrari ENZO! This is great performance for just little more money than the S.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
3. The front lip RARELY touch the ground, only when I was doing the Stelvio pass because the turn was so tight and it was fun anyway to hear the front lip touching the alsphat because you take the curve too fast! By the way, the front lip is made of cheap black plastic and it's designed to be changed without spending big $.
4. On the autobahn, the GTS manual 7 speeds can do 200mph, not the S!
ruclips.net/video/k-nym4O7wt8/видео.html
5. About the Centerlock wheels, when you have a flat tire, you call Porsche assitance because you don't want a grease monkey touching your car anyway. Also, never heard you complaining about the Turbo S, GT3 or GT2 wheels (Centerlock also)... Finally, the rims are larger than the ones you can get on the Carrera S (.5 inches) so that's another things that is not possible to upgrade on a S.
6. The sound insulation is different on a GTS providing more engine noise inside the car. Also another option not available on the S...
7. About the black theme, I was prepared to add all those option on the S before the announced the GTS so it's a huge $ saving to have it all on the GTS. If you don't like it, you can change it to std config as well as the Alcantara interior for 0$
8. The GTS represent the most desirable 911 to drive on roads for performance/confort and you can also take it on the track, it will perform pretty good. The GT3 is really tough to get and a lot more expensive. Turbo and Turbo S are 4wd and PDK only so only for baby boomers (no offense).
Keep making videos Nick so I can correct you when you talked about the 911 GTS :)
Regards.
The GTS is the Jar Jar Binks of the 911 range. You know it, I know it, we all know it : )
AWD are for PORGS :)
To give you a more complete answer... I totally agree with all your points (well aside from 3 and 8) of course the GTS is faster as I said in the video, my point is that to get the small amount of extra performance you sacrifice some of the fun, joy and convenance of owning and driving a 911. A GTS is faster but back to back the base Carrera is more fun to drive every time.
Fact #3, I think the front lip might hit the road in city driving (speed hump, etc) but didn't experience it in GTS driving (Grand Touring Sport). That might explain our different experience between Nick & I. By the way, Nick 911 front lip looks more damaged than the GTS one... Probably because the GTS is new, I know. Finally, Porsche offer the front axle lift option so not a real problem since there is a solution when you ordered. GT3 and GT2 are way worse and Nick do not bitch about them, why is that possible? (see my explanation at end of Fact #8)
Fact #8, the GTS is a Grand Touring Sport, if that's your kind of usage, it's the car for you. You do racetracks, buy a GT3 or a GT2. You do city driving most of the time, bought a Carrera. If you bought a Carrera S before the GTS was available, do like Nick, bitch about the GTS...
@@claudeauclair4771 damn you're aggressive aren't you ?
The Carrera is wide enough for the 991 and you're actually saying Porsche Assistance will help with the annoying centre locks which cost a lot to replace. It is faster because of the power kit engine like a simple tune, not a specific engine like the GT3. GTS is extra harsh and if you like the front lip scrapping dont expect others to agree too. Sure the GTS is the sportiest Carrera but its in no way a special specific built Carrera like the GT3, when you can option out the same thing in a S. It's a package model simple as, a sporty package model with so called race options.
These two cars with manual transmissions & non professional drivers
almost invalidate the experiment, The GTS was clearly the faster, you
can see it pull ahead between gear changes, the GTS driver seemingly
messed up every gear change. I'd expect the more commonly supplied PDK
semi auto gearbox cars to produce a different outcome and in favor of
the GTS.
see what you mean
Why does anyone have a manual box when the PDK is so good,
Yes I think he even started in a lower gear than me each time so he would pull ahead and then have to change. I think the interesting part is that when both in 4th gear side by side the GTS did not pull ahead.
I also should have said well done for making the effort to do this, another pointer to my slight bias is that my GTS is on order and I've optioned the PDK,
The manual box is just more fun, and once you master it nothing else compares. There is nothing like banging through the first few gears and nailing every shift. Takes practice though.
Only thing i am thinking in these videos is those people behind you when driving on the motorway side to side.
I know one thing for sure. The GTS will hold its value much better than the C4S.
You can get standard 5 lug wheels on the GTS as a no cost option.
Interesting video Nick. I also had to make the choice of 2S or GTS. Went with the 2S and am loving it. PASM -10 still needs some care, a further -10, plus longer overhang would definitely require a lot of caution and the $A6k front lift option in Sydney. That doesn't make for a relaxed daily driver. I was also a little sceptical about the alcantara and the dull look of the satin black centre locks. The RS Spyder wheels take a little more effort to clean but look great when you do. Overall, although you get a discount with the options in GTS pack, in my case it offered a number of options I was not fussed about. The S with PDK and sport chrono is way fast enough for my licence. Love your channel!
You're crazy, Nick. I love the GTS trim. It's the sweet spot in the 911 lineup, as far as the price to performance ratio, and it looks sporty. What's so wrong with that? That said, my top choice in the lineup would be the new GT3 Touring because you get the lovely 4.0 na engine, as well as a more mature aesthetic.
THANK YOU Nick for mentioning what others seem to be scared to mention - the turbo LAG is a big problem with the higher HP engines.
I love how Nick compares the cars side by side. He's saving me a lot of money on my builds by dropping to a lower model and going for the 4 way seats over the 18 way seats.
Nick won a drag race! omg.
Talk about a knee jerk reaction... Went out and bought it that week?? At least I waited over a month!!🤣
+1 for the C4S front active vents / aero. Radiator doesn't become a giant leaf collector during the fall / winter seasons. I had to put in customer made grill for my Cayman to stop debris from collecting there.
"..ketchup all over a sirloin steak" - Best line ever lol!
I know an orange orangutan in a big white house that likes ketchup on his sirloin lol
That GTS is absolutely beautiful. 😍
Pretty much my dream GTS spec, only thing I would add is the carbon ceramic brakes
I LOVE that you're using classical music in your Vlogs
Nice job in this one. I'm about to purchase a new 911 GTS Cabriolet , in Miami blue. Love the car.
John G hows the ground clearance compare to a base Carrera
John G also I'm thinking of a AMG gtr but is it really a gas guzzler like they say want to do a vacation take off need to know if to bring gas with me just in case no gas station
pfft no problem with the center lock. Mine came with an adapter and the center lock is sexy
Anything you may consider in performance comparisons has been thought about by Porsche a thousand times. There 911 variants are stacked for a reason: to create performance variance from model to model. The GT3 runs Nurburgring in 7.13; the GTS in 7.23; and the Carrera S in 7.34. Yes, they are all highly capable super cars, but there is performance variance. The GTS and Carrera S times cited were achieved by the same test driver.
I don't understand what your point is? Everyone agrees that GTS is a model up from the S and a model down from the GT3?
Just got my all black 991.2 GTS RWD Coupe PDK. Love it :-)
Nick's channel has basically just become an ever-so-slightly classier version of 1320 video.
Just picked up a 2018 GTS CPO in E. Hartford CT and I’m already obsessed! 🤪😍🔥🤙🏻
The thing I like most about these videos are how ppl spec or just buy an existing 911. It amazes me how one car can be so many different ways. I don’t think Nick would like the options I’d pick at all.😂
Though the power difference is only about 7 percent between the GTS and S, there would be more to be gained with a software tune (On the GTS) due to the larger turbos being able to flow more on the top end.
What? This guy sold his Mercedes-AMG GT S to buy a 911 GTS.
It does pay to do your homework before you buy a car which is right for you. Otherwise, it will be, buy trade-in, buy trade-in.
Again, the 911 GTS is a matter of personal choice. You need to weigh up whether it's worth paying the extra cost.
I think you cannot go wrong if you buy any 911 CS/C4S with the options you want.
Nick, you were being very nice about this car, it seems you held back just a little.
Tell us how you really hate anything alcantara, middle twin sport exhausts, GT3 front bumper bar, GTS side logo, wheels, engine sound, turbo lag etc. Ohhhhh hang on, I think you kinda did.
when you can afford an AMG, the trade-in discount is chum change :-)
The dude can't even find a gear, I don't think he's too clued up on cars, he probably just buys whatever catches his eye without even looking at the specs.
Love your videos Nick, but from the outset you were quite negative about the GTS and it came through in your video. Everything from the engine, to the styling and the price. It came across as quite biased and it was obvious you thought your car was a better choice, but for the LIFE of me, i will never understand how someone can purchase a 4 model 911 and have such a purest tone about them .... Each to their own mate.
Oh man...I always forget you only have around 120k subs....This channel deserves a lot more than that because the quality of your videos are amazing! Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see your channel grow!
I love that color!
Better clean those radiator vents from leaves. So many 996, 997 and Boxter/Caymans have issues overtime from all that crud blocking the radiators.
I am absolutely delighted with my 10 week old GTS in GT silver. With a GTS you still need to order a custom build though and I find the long wait really tries my patience. I use mine every day so I have PASM -10mm rather than S-PASM -20mm. I have black leather with 18-way seats in place of the 4-way alcantara that come as standard. I have a torque wrench and break bar kit in a nice neat case that fits perfectly in the trunk; I bought it on Amazon. My options added 21 percent to the price and include adaptive cruise and blind spot monitoring, front axle left, glass sunroof, PDK, multi function steering wheel, keyless entry and drive and rear wheel steering. I also have power steering plus, folding mirrors (I set them to turn in when the car is locked so I can tell at a glance if it's locked) rear wiper and comfort lighting. I also added some purely cosmetic bits including brushed aluminium trim, silver belts, aluminium PDK shifter, crests on the seat backs and stainless door sills because the standard ones are too short. I left the GTS logo on the doors and the rear end but it does look a little busy and had I ordered a 4 GTS I would likely have trimmed it back to just 911. If I was ordering it today I would add ventilated seats.
Vented seats are priceless during the summer months, especially on dark colored cars with dark interior.
Pity it costs $290k in Australia. And probably NZ also.
Hi Nick, there is one thing, that should be kept in mind. There have been dyno-tested several stock GTS and Carerra S in germany and the Carrera S had a range from 423 hp to about 440 hp. The GTS had a range from 451-476 hp. All cars were completely stock! So if you compared a good Carrera S at the top of the range with a GTS at lower range, it is no suprise at all what happened. So this only makes sense if you dyno-check the cars before testing. My GTS - also a manual -for ex. had measured 469 hp stock. And by the way after some little adjustments (exhaust + air filter) it now has 492 PS. :-)
It could also be possible that your C4S just has a "healthier" engine than most other C4S's? How many miles has that GTS done? Could still be a bit tight.. Great review though! keep em coming!
Scott Cowan I think the driver was a bit tight.
Hey Nick, we should meet up when spring comes and race our cars :) If you got spanked by the GTS (Merc) then it should be closer with my car
You are on. : )
Deal
fuck yeah people will love to see these 2 youtubers collide :D
Where is that race?
Did this ever happen?
There is one thing that can't be added to C2S in options... GTS has wider rear body and only for this feature it is worth to buy GTS instead of C2S. Of course this applies only to rear wheel drive models, C4S has the same body as GTS models.
Not a fan of the gts. I'd go for a Carrera s rwd or gt3. The gt3 is the one to get in the entire 911 range
Problem is the GT3 is basically impossible to get. At asking price.
I'm not sure that's true but if it is I'd just wait. I'd never pay over sticker for a car. That's just pissing money away
Very interesting outcome Nick!! I tried doing the same kind of video here in the Uk between my lightweight 964 and a 997S.. they were close but no way I can put it on youtube..would probably be arrested.. we just don't have traffic-less dual carriageways here.. it's a nightmare of cars everywhere. You think theres a tiny gap and then a Polo pops up to spoil it. Great vid, really interesting result..
İn the 2nd drag race im pretty sure the gts started in 1st gear whereas nick was in 2nd utilizing the tork downlow and avoiding an extra shift ;)
I wonder how much the four-wheel drive system contributes to to the base car performance ? Putting all that power through four wheels instead of two kinda makes sense.
I would now any day get a powerkit on a regular S than buy a GTS.. why? I get to keep the regular ride height and standard nose with a better approach angle. The GTS would keep scraping underneath ... and it has those silly centre lock wheels
Great review. I’m still a bit confused on which 991.2 models have wider rear ends. GTS yes. Not the C2S or 4S? Finally, for the money, I’m interested in missing the largest turbo swap possible in stock location. Does this mean the Carrera T is the car for me? Minus the wide rear end? But then need AP Racing brakes. Sooo..maybe GTS or C2S after all?
Looked like dude in the GTS was over there double clutchin like the movie told him to....lol.
Just spent 2 days on a porsche race training day, pretty much all of the 21 drivers and 12 instructors put the GTS as there favourite 911 (we drove all the models including the turbo, except the GT2/GT3). 911’s are drivers cars not drag cars, the GTS was the best drivers 911 by a long shot. Car statistics only tell half the story.
It's true the GTS is a faster car, the point I was making is that the price you pay is they are harder to live with.
Base model engine is most tuneable. A Company in the UK get 540bhp out of the standard Carrera on ECU alone. I was shocked.
I really love how you remind people that your opinions are just that your opinions and everyone’s vary! I love the GTS but as you said it’s not for everyone. Great review thanks!
Rick
Great video Nick, those who have struggled between the C4S & GTS (first world problems I know) will find this video helpful.
Not sure if anyone asked this yet but the first thing that came to my mind was: has the GTS even been broken in yet? The second thought was that the driver of the GTS appears to not be very comfortable driving a three pedal manual.
Nick you make a great point on the size of the turbos and responsiveness vs power. As enthusiasts, we’d like both....but as you’ve mentioned elsewhere, the output of the 911s (up and down the range) is enough-to-more-than-enough. So, I’d wager the base motor would be my favorite too.....if only it came in a manual!
Keep up the good work!
Ok, so I have viewed your video's in the past and have found that they are usually fairly accurate and informative. However, I feel compelled to comment on this one. Just returned from Stuttgart after doing some research on the X51 Powerkit upgrade for my 2017 C2S (sport package already optioned). I had the opportunity to drive a 2018 Porsche 911 2018 GTS on the Nurburgring (courtesy of RSR) and decided to do the install once I returned to the states. I updated my car on March 19th of this year. Based on my Aim Solo data logger, my 0 to 60 average time decreased from 3.42 to 3.27 after 15 launches on two separate outings. The 1/4 mile trap time decreased as well by just shy of 3 tenths of a second (I would be happy to email you the screen shots). I actually live close-by in New Canaan and would be willing to challenge your C4S against my C2S with the Powerkit (no other upgrades) at your availability. We could wager a cheeseburger at the Shake Shack in Westport? I do not believe your car can compare in any rolling comparison. It might be possible to catch me on the 0 to 60 launch with 4 wheel drive, but you would be hard pressed even in that regard... your call!
Thanks for the comment Richard. I think you mis-heard this video, I said several times that the power kit engine is more powerful, I have never disputed that. It is only a very small increase in power (as shown by your .15 second 0-60 improvement) but a power kit engine will beat a standard S engine in a race normally. Personally I don't think the extra power is worth the trade off for the additional turbo lag and the issues the Power kit engine owners seem to face but you have to balance with your own views and requirements of course. I think anyone wanting more power out of their 3.0L engine would be happier with a very mild tune to say 480hp. That only costs $1,500 and the results are far more noticeable without the extra lag?
What about the things you cannot package....the widebody and the reduced sound deadening and the unofficial tweaks to the stearing and exhaust that porsche have made
Great fun! I have never considered that my 4S would be faster than a Gts. I wonder if the 4S with the double clutch woul does better because it would eliminate the “time lost” in switching gears. I also agree with Nick-the base 12:53 Carrera. the most fun in sudden acceleration is the base. Nick give us a review of the hybrid 911. Can wait to drive test one of them.
Lmao I listen to the same classical music in Nick’s intros to study for IT certs
Hey Nick, I love your conclusion about the carrera being more fun to drive than the carrera S, do you think this is valid for the 997.2 911?
No I think the 997.2 S is the one!
Thanks!
Now he will trade it with a GT2RS to beat you
Osama GG with the time it takes him to shift i still dont think hell win in a drag race lol
Another good review Nick, I am a fan of the GTS after having the 991.1 4 GTS and the 991.2 Targa GTS but I can understand your comments on the power is marginally noticeable. I currently own the 991.2 Turbo S which is incredible
Agree with your comments on the GTS!
it is clear that the guy in the GTS doesn't push the gears to an acceptable rpm to shift. So it is all about driver skills. in this case Nick is a better driver! And of course he knows best!!
The GTS is probably the best value for money if you are into sportier 911s. Center lock wheels are a pain in the ass for track use (because its tough to swap them). I actually like the styling cues. Is PASM worth it? I’m not sure. Overall, I feel like the GTS is a hit or miss. Some people love them and some hate them. The latter being old men like you Nick.
Nick always tells the ladies "We will go over the stats when we get back to my place."
Centre locks are an absolute load of bollocks I had them on my 991.1GTS. They also go milky and cost £1k a set to replace. AVOID!
I'm still not getting the idea of the GTS from level. So until yet, all I know is that you get a slight power upgrade, slightly lower to the ground, more sport focused design, and a lot of payed-options that you get for free in the GTS. Right?
Sang Eeth, correct. it's a fully performance loaded S including the power options. I would save for a Turbo.
Hi Nick, there appears to be quite a few manuals in the 911 line up now. I think it would be really interesting to do a comparison between the 911 T, 911 GTS and 911 GT3 Touring. They later two are not so dissimilar in price and the 911 T uses the base 911 engine which as you say is really good and powerful enough in the real world.
I think the GTS and GT3 are quite dissimilar, the T and the GTS are closer.
So the results of the drag race were that they were Nick and Nick? What about the cars???
Great video, I love Miami Blue. Surprised to here the owner traded in his AMG GTS. I recently reviewed the AMG GT R and that car was a beast on the track
Is such a low mileage standard in expensive-car warranties? 50k isn't a lot (nor is 4 years, frankly). That doesn't bode well for anticipated reliability on an older or higher mileage car.
Nick Porsche has a center lock torque wrench that can fit in the front trunk
*_My favorite road focused supercar Porsche_*
Hey Nick so funny to hear you say how the GTS is “just a little bit faster”. Well got good news the other day , my GTS IS ON THE BOAT sh/ be taking delivery end of the month...I told you that I passed on the Alcantara interior , now if I get rid of those amazing black wheels (probably not happening) you would have to admit that my car is far and away the better 911 ..😜
Hmmmm. Congrats on your car!!
Why didn't you get the Carrera 4 Nick? With that base engine.
Great review. I’m still a bit confused on which 991.2 models have wider rear ends. GTS yes. Not the C2S or 4S? Finally, for the money, I’m interested in installing the largest turbo swap possible in stock location. Does this mean the Carrera T is the car for me? Minus the wide rear end? But then need AP Racing brakes. Sooo..maybe GTS or C2S after all?
Your friend is a sub-par manual transmission driver. The GTS is better than the S in every way. As confirmed by nearly every single car enthusiast magazine.
Love the color on that car, looks really good. Maybe one day I'll add a Porsche to my stable, currently the Type R is my best car!
I live in Vegas where it’s hot and I only get Alcantara wheels because they don’t get anywhere near as hot as a leather wheel. No brainer.
Sorry Nick. Lol
I don't know if the GTS is properly broken in yet. Does it even have 2000 miles on it as per Porsche manual of when the car mileage wise might be broken in more. In addition, I wonder if it's a driver issue too. Seems like the GTS drive has a slight pause between shifts. I'm wondering if your buddy put on more miles on his GTS and ran with yours again, would it be a slightly different story. Perhaps I'm giving the GTS owner the benefit of doubt.
I like ketchup (put it on your T-shirt)
Yes, put actual ketchup on your t-shirt.
I was hoping you could share the difference between this and performante.
Can’t wait to see you review the 911T, Nick. With buckets and brakes, it’s probably the second best car Porsche make.
Hi Nick. It looks to me he was pulling away from u initially until he had to shift, then he fell behind. So it is possible he is still not very comfortable pushing a manual car combined with slow shifting and I suspect since the car is still new he was shifting too soon and before the RPM approaches redline. These new engines are incredible though, I own 991.2 4S targa which is heavier than your car and On track, I was able to match or beat slightly my times while driving my 991.1 GT3 on same track, which was surprising considering the GT3 has 475 hp, vs 420 hp on my targa, and also PDK vs manual on targa, but it just goes to show u how good is this new car with the turbo engine. Said that, I also had a chance to drive the 991.2 GTS on barber Motorsports during one of Porsche driving school events and it is incredibly fast and I was able to keep up with 911 GT3 RS, which I was not able to do with the 911 S 991.2, so I think the GTS would be a bit faster in the right hands. Great video. Mark
I own the 2018 gts. If you don't own one you cannot comment. Taking a car for a spin or review is not the same as owning it and driving it everyday. Porsche always underestimate their speed capabilities and mine has been timed at just over 3 SECS 0-60 and 200mph. I have not had a problem with turbo lag , you only get this if you don't know how to drive the thing. I test drove the whole range even the gt3, great car but not an everyday driver. The gt3 is the pick of bunch.
Sorry GTS
But the GTS gives you bigger rear wheel arch, isn't it?
Nick, do you think the glass roof works with lighter colors like Miami Blue? I’m not sure I like the contrast as it distracts from the basic 911 shape.
I presume it's a new car, so the engine has still not broken in yet. Could explain it
Very enlightening. I do not think you'll ever tempt someone out of buying a gts, but I expected more and what was up with that shifting and letting go of the gas in the gts? It's an auto. No need to release the gas when you shift (it was an auto, right?)
Dbn Poldermans
It was a manual, you could see it when Nick was driving it in the beginning.
The Gts driver was clearly not good (or as good as Nick, should I say), because the Gts is lighter and makes more power and torque.
Nicks 911 has no advantage, except for him driving it.
If the Gts had the Pdk, it would have left Nick for dead.
You could see how the Gts pulls hard on the start of the race and slows down so much during each shift.
Hit a few curbs looks like with those wheels
Nick when are fitting an aftermarket exhaust your car needs it
Sam was smart to get out of his AMG GTS, because Mercedes FINALLY updated the A-Class interior, which is shared with the GT range. So when the new GT range hits, the values of the old will plummet... worse than normal LOL
BTW Love the Miami Blue!
For my money, I'd buy the 991.2 base carrera in manual. These new 911s are so mod friendly now because of turbos it really makes less sense now to get the up rated engines.
I have a 997 4s please if you can do a comparison of your car and the 997 4s would be amazing .