Trying To Argue A God Into Existence | The Atheist Experience: Throwback
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Theism in a nutshell:
I don't know, therefore God.
You don't know, therefore God.
I am, therefore God.
My experience, therefore God.
The universe is, therefore God.
Why God? Because my book.
Why my book? Because God
You forgot, "Look trees, therefore god."
And there's another dingbat that seems to have disappeared who says, "things die, therefore god." Or "atheism can't give a step-by-step explanation for reality, therefore god."
Christianity isn't all theism. Don't fall into their trap 😉
@@queuecee 😀 true, but I categorise the second one under "you don't know, therefore God"
Atheist: "I'm not convinced of your gh0d claim"
Theist: "I am being persecuted. Woe is me"
@@nealjroberts4050 fair enough, I'll correct it
His argument worked really well when he rehearsed it in the pub last night.
Especially after everyone had been fortified by several drinks.
"Isn't it reasonable for humans to look towards the sun?"
No!!! You will burn your retinas.
Unless you have eclipse glasses like I do.
Where I come from, Australia, only 29% of the adult population believe in a creator/god and many less attend organised religious events regularly. I can't imagine living in a place like the US where the majority are unable to think critically.
We Aussies have had at least 5 Atheist Prime Ministers🍻🦘
It’s maddening here in the US. I’m an atheist in the most religious part of the country, the Deep South, and I want to scream sometimes.
It's very exhausting, be glad you don't have to deal with it. Myself and my 2 daughters are the only atheists in my family. We're so damn tired.
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708and a couple of batshit crazy god believing ones.
Makes me want to move to Australia. I live in a red state in the U.S. and everyone assumes you're a Christian because just about everyone else is.
I am a nurse. I have delivered oxygen to people before. I have even administered oxygen and brought life back into a person.
I AM A GOD!!!!! Worship me!!!!!
Nurses are awesome and worthy of worship 😊
Oh most holy Latinzane. You bless your subjects with your divine interventions.
You are a nurse.
*Worship is toxic.*
...But you and your colleagues deserve a fucking parade, every single day. *THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SELFLESS DEDICATION TO THE COMMON GOOD! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE, EVERY DAY, JUST TO BRING MORE DAYS TO THOSE IN NEED! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONTINUING IN A PROFESSION THAT HAS NONE OF THE GLORY DESPITE MOST OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DOCTORS! ....AND THANK YOU FOR BEING YOU!*
...I live up here in Soviet Canuckistan, so odds are I'm nowhere near your backyard. But thank you, from the son of an ER doc!
Live well,
Laugh readily,
Love. Unconditionally.
*AND TELL JOKES!!*
a lot of nurses seem deranged. Met quite a few. I think you must have a form of PTSD. changing beds? and poop all day. i can't see police men who arrive at traffic accidents daily being too health either. You should maybe see a doctor about your mindset?
@@paultimson6674 Geez, I hope this is sarcasm...🤔
Logical extrapolation seems to be really difficult for believers but only when it threatens their beliefs.
I love how you can hold their hand and tip toe through the logic tulips but the moment the obvious conclusion becomes visible on the horizon, they make a hard right and run off through the weeds in terror.
Then you have the people who call in to do some logical gymnastics to try and convince you God exists. "Ok, everything that exists has a cause right..." 😂
Makes me laugh every time. "Intelligibility exists THEREFORE GAAAAAAWD!!"
Gods best Apostles of today and skeptical is an easy change for any possible sanity. Come on this can't be but it can. oh my devil it is.
i think you atheists are losing it. The bible tells us you get afflicted at the end days. Become deranged. maybe too much screen time? Reading these comments, all of you seem unbalanced. weeds in terror? maybe stop watching computer games.
Every single caller who calls in with proof of a creator eventually sounds like a ridiculous clown. 🤦🏽♂️🤣🤣🤣
The biggest problem some of my fellow theists have is the inability to recognise that belief isn't evidence.
Yep, can't imagine why that is, a real head scratcher that
@@nealjroberts4050 so you are comfortable with believing in something without evidence? Wow.
@@josephbelisle5792
No, but everyone has blind faith about something. I try to keep it minimal.
And it's been that way since the show started.
If only the caller had some intelligent external guidance when it counted.
So true. This god of theirs lets them go on the show and make fools of themselves trying to defend it. It can't lift a finger to help them.
Someone who cares, should have taken the phone from him. His own personal Jesus.
Nice!
@@kitchencarvings4621 one more proof this god, if real, doesn't want people to know/believe they are. sending only people that will make it clear there's no good reason to believe it, as well as making a clockwork universe that looks like it works by itself, looks like it came by itself, and never showing up
@@d_camara Yep, one more proof that their god is indistinguishable from something they merely imagine. Ask this question and sit back and watch what happens: How can we reliably distinguish what you call God from something simply imaginary.
"those pixies died for you!!" 😂 I love it!
@@RickLambert963You are really starting to annoy me with your spamming.
@@RickLambert963I am not making claims of something supernatural, you are. The burden of proof is in your corner.
@@RickLambert963has failed to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings with any of your spam posts.
Speaking of which. . .
@@einienj3281 Just keep reporting his spam, I do.... Haven't read a thing he's posted in weeks.... just see it and report it.... He's a mentally ill troll.....
@@RickLambert963 You have zero evidence that would convince any jury.
I dismiss Shaun without evidence, for the obvious reason. He has provided no evidence.
I live in the UK. I have existed for 33 years without sun.
Lol
Take Vitamin D3 !
lmao......
What is this "sun" you speak of?
I spent two summers in the UK... which means I was there for 10 years.
Whenever a Xtian says: "You just don't want to believe" AFTER a long debate and back and forth flailing and failing ...
You should just say: "We accept your defeat"
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LOLZ
The other one is, "you'll find out the truth when you are standing in front of god."
So god couldn't bother giving you the answers while you are alive just so he can gloat in the afterlife. What a tool.
@@queuecee EVERY koolaid Xtian's last resort: Threatening others with HELL.
LOL
@@sanjeevgig8918 And they think it will work against people who don't believe in Hell. Even if I thought God and Hell were real, I wouldn't worship a being which threatens to torture me for eternity if I don't worship it. That's just an abusive relationship.
Can you imagine this guy taking any introductory University-level science course? He would glitch so bad, he'd need a whole bunch of oxygen.
That would throw of his equations
The caller is confused about what evidence means. He is unable to see the flaw in his analogy. A classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
all the brainwashed people mention the Dunning-Kruger effect. Do you all attend the same warehouse lectures.
I love how theists always dodge questions whenever they get cornered.
They lack the courage to actually ask *THEMSELVES* the questions in the first place.
I don’t have time to watch the whole video. Can you provide a timestamp?
@@Bozo_WeirdoDude's been dodging almost every single question, you'll find about 20 times within the video.
If they had good answers, we'd all be theists.
@@Bozo_Weirdo Weaponizing your ignorance from the get go, I see.
As soon as they realize their argument is hanging by a thread, they'll obfuscate, lie, or gish gallop. Among other loads of BS and talking over the hosts. This video clip is 7 years old, and nothing has changed.
Also, while I'm here, gotta say I do wish some of the hosts from the 'old days' came around again, from time to time.
Theism's arguments never really change. Because, the same Faulty and Fallacious base has never changed.
Completely correct. Faith is irrational, it's little surprise that they try to resort to irrational tactics to hide, lie, and spin away from logic, whenever their chosen pet beliefs are in question.
Are there new videos?
I think Shaun is someone who hasn’t scrutinised or challenged his own beliefs. This would explain why he struggled so much when the conversation went off his script.
So he's a theist.
@@AbsurdlyGeeky
No. I'm a theist (agnostic pantheist) and I challenge and scrutinise my beliefs.
That's why I don't promote them as truth without evidence.
Shaun thought he had a gotcha with his little mentalism trick. Unfortunately he makes Ray Comfort look like Derran Brown.
See kids. Don't read philosophy books and smoke pot at the same time. You'll end up like this caller.
nah probably do any reading at all
Don't harsh my mellow.
His arguments sounded a lot more reasonable when he was high...
I do both of those and this guy sounds like a lunatic.
I note that Jimedith Castleberry called it 'weak' to not believe things. I call it daft to believe everything.
Funny to be called weak by someone who keeps running away from a live debate, isn't it.
He doesn't believe that the arrest record I have is of him. He's so weak to not believe me!
Jim "call me Edith when I pick up the soap" Castleberry must be pretty weak too. He only believes in 1 of the 3500 gods.
I believe things, just not their ridiculous, unfounded bullshit
Also, when are theist callers going to realize that it’s not their show and they’re not going to get to rudely interrupt the hosts when they’re talking?
This call is probably 10-15ish years old and they’re still doing it on a regular basis, so I wouldn’t hold your breath 🤣
@@norcodaev2017, you can see it on the video
@@RickLambert963
The Rick is a crank with no class
That speaks from the depths of his glass
He's out of his mind
He's bot of a kind
That looks at the trees and the grass
@@quentind1924 Doh! How did I miss that? 🤣🤦🏼♂️
Never.
Shaun knows he has been defeated.
Shaun of the Braindead.
This guy wasted so much of everyone's time, and I'm _still_ not sure what his point was.
That there has been external intelligent guidance in your life.
Debating atheists especially atheist experience host is a waste of time because they don't have the willingness to accept God but at the same time they don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God.
So basically The atheist experience host say you have to convince me of something I'm not willing to accept as true.😂
@@brnfrmjts05
Yeah, my mom telling me she'll kick me out of the house if I don't finish HS. No god could have influenced me like that.
@@RichardLelandLevineIII.
You folks had 2,000 years to prove your or any gods exists, and the best you got is thought experiments. You're lucky religion was spread with the sword b/c nobody would've accepted these mind numbing totalitarian ideas willingly.
It's not my problem your "evidence" is as convincing to me as the evidence of other religions is to you - not at all. Hinduism is older than all Abrahamic religions, yet I doubt you believe in Shiva or Brahma.
@@RichardLelandLevineIII.
But I appreciate every comment you make. It engages the YT algorithm & spreads atheism. You're personally contributing to the spread of disbelief in religion.
Bless your simple mind.
Shaun: "Everything requires a Creator."
Me : "Then who created the Creator?"
Shaun: "The Creator required no creator."
Me: "Then the Creator is not part of Everything?"
Shaun: "Uhhhhhh..... correct."
Me" "Then the Creator is part of Nothing?"
Shaun: "Let me consult my script, and I'll get back to you on that."
Get yourself into perspective. I am currently a part of this universe, an infinitessimaly insignificant part of this universe. If I don't wake up in the morning there are probably three people and a dog who will miss me for more than a week.
Well you have some influence in the universe. You made me cry.
You're a dog ahead of me. I have a mother, a wife and a granddaughter. I have need for no more.
3 people AND a dog? My dog died and I live alone,,,,, 😭
Theists when backed into a corner: “I’m baby”
I don’t back into a corner but Atheists end up leaving me alone.
@@davidrexford586you just said you don't back into a corner because nobody backed you into a corner.
@@ibelieveingaming3562 yes because an Atheist can’t and never will be able to back me into a corner because I found God to be very real and still believe by Faith in God. You can’t make someone not believe in something they found REAL to themselves independently of all other people. So waste your time telling me I can’t find God or God doesn’t exist while I do that very thing that you say is not or shouldn’t be possible because you don’t believe it yourself or you tried but stopped believing.
@@davidrexford586
Welcome to your tiny delusional circular argument. May it give you great comfort as it goes round and round over the same ground.
The rest of us will be off living lives of curiosity and exploration. Bye.
@@starfishsystems oh it does and has for over 40 years and into my sixties.. so while you think it’s delusional you are actually saying God is a liar and his words are a lie as well but to each his own. Too many don’t think before they speak and that’s unfortunate.
have you noticed that among the biblically afflicted christians are the most feral minions of the yahweh deity, probably due to their dying cult.
Probably. But few generation and their cult will exist only in written texts in books and nobody will give more credit to it than any other mythological story. Natural process. I like it.
my neighbor is a devout xtian...she is a miserable self exalted cop calling property damaging consequence avoiding bonehead
Nature does what natural laws permit. The universe is indifferent to our existence. It's not a living being.
Religious passion and indoctrination can quickly become insanity....apparently.
Sean's loving gawd makes him really angwy.
We depend on vitamin C, without which we die a slow painful death. Is vitamin C a higher power?
No. Vitamin B is obviously the higher power since B comes before C. And vitamin A is the highest power!
@@queueceeAll hail Vitamin A! It is the Alpha!
We depend on water. We depend on a lot of things. It doesn't make the product your god.
I need alkaline batteries for my remote control. Those batteries aren't my god.
Other sources of energy are nice as well, such as uranium, a river, petrol, coal. It doesn't make these things gods.
The Sun is a useful source of energy. It is also a source of intense radiation, magnetic storms.
The caller is a little bit ....out there.
We must put down our Bibles and pick up some science textbooks and learn about reality.
@@amtlpaulstep aside vitamin B, BETA!
Sortof. But that just demonstrates that bananas are supernatural.
I’ve binge watched several of these ‘members only’ videos tonight, and I am definitely not high enough to continue. The problem is, I’m playing Gran Turismo 4 while I’m listening and if I smoke another joint, I’ll surely not be able to drive well. Ahhh, decisions…decisions 🤔
I'm playing Wolfenstein & listening to this, I dunno how I could do both high lol you're da real MVP 🤘😎🤘
@@burningmisery Years of practice my friend.😉
Glad to know I’m not the only one who enjoys playing video games while listening to these ridiculous theists! Have a nice day, buddy!✨
Yeah I do lots of things while I laugh at these wonderfully delusional people gab, it's hilarious
for me it's usually mario 64 and rom hacks, and i also 100%ed mario sunshine listening to stuff like this lmao
@@fuzzspanden Nice! Congrats on the 100%
Every deist and theist FAILS spectacularly shouting "higher power"
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LOLZ
@@RickLambert963 Du mb copy pasta loser.
LOLZ
I may have to stop admitting I grew up in Paw Paw...
Tbh I thought that was a fake name lol
Just be thankful you didn't grow up in Fak Fak...
Or Fucking, now that I think on it.
@@gabe6646
Nope, it's about 20 miles west of a city with an even more fake sounding name - Kalamazoo.
Nah bro, be from where you're from. But definitely be better than this guy.
@@Lord.1337-7
Thanks.
Nature works in mysterious ways!
That was just painful to listen to. He basically just kept repeating "look at the trees", "look at the trees" "why won't you look at the trees" over and over and over.
It is painful to listen to the "Look at the trees" argument from atheists. There are billions of synergistic pieces of the puzzle needed for human life to exist -- besides freaking trees. Look a little beyond the trees because this is a big planet with many things needed for life.
@@bobgarrett7134 Was there a point to that garbage? Oh wait, I get it. "Life is so complex, my tiny uneducated brain can't comprehend it all! Therefor it must be magical!" Was that it?
@@Angel-nl1hp No it's not magical. You're tiny, uneducated brain can't comprehend the fact functional and intricate items don't appear by accident. Any highly mechanized and functional item came into existence through direction.
@@bobgarrett7134You wouldn't sound so bad if you don't make all those grammatical errors after proclaiming that you are smart.
@@bobgarrett7134😂😂😂😂 "I know you are but what am I???"
This guy was definitely reading from a script.
Shaun is indenial so much. What religion does to the brain is absolutely mind blowing!
The religious mind is such a broken thing.
This argument of Shaun’s is Horse BS…yes, excrement from when a horse eats BS and then poops it out. Lol. I’d like to ask him if there’s always a higher source, and maybe the hosts will ask him this but I’m at 9:18, then what higher intelligent source created god? It’s an unnecessary extra step of the process to add a god since that entity would warrant an explanation too.
11:30 How can you dispute pixies? They are delivering your oxygen, one molecule at the time! 😂 That took me by suprise!
I was actually embarrassed for Shaun, so many cringe moments.
I was embarrassed for my home town of Paw Paw, MI. I hope Sean is not related to any of my old friends from school.
@@RickLambert963 You don't need god to have all of that. That isn't evidence
The Pixies are a great band. I thank them near every day.
does anyone else cringe when a christian says ' well, the fact is '
You have more patient than me! Thanks for he work you do!
Shaun is incredibly confused
Arguing from specific to general, ALL Christards are confused.
This guy is hilarious. He's actually arguing about the pixies.
Looks like Sparty is still busy trying to find himself a gay theist.😂
Must be why Nepy's gone into hiding 🤣
Addicted Indentured Servant - comes back every few hours to see ALL his comments gone and copy-pastes more.
Talk about being a useless worthless being.
LOLZ
@sanjeevgig8918 He still tries to pretend that his speed of light squared being "5" is just an "example". He just chooses to ignore the fact that his "example" has no units. AND, in the example, you can't just make up values for the speed of light squared.
But he's desperately trying to pretend he's not humiliating himself.😂
@@RickLambert963 Even with something as simple as a copy-paste you managed to fail it 😄
@@RickLambert963 That answer makes absolutely no sense
It's like playing chess, seeing that you're going to get mated in 3 more moves, and knocking over all the pieces before getting up and running away bawling.
I mean, if you never answer questions, you can’t be wrong in your thinking. 🤷♂️
They avoid that by not asking questions in the first place.
As a fan of lighthouses, I loved the lighthouse analogy. Especially since Christians keep comparing Jesus to a lighthouse.
"I don't see the rock".... Oh man.. 😂
@@RickLambert963I am not reading your copy paste nonsense.
@@einienj3281 It's waste of time react on that lmbecile, his nonsense will disapear anyway. 🙂
All these excellent examples of Dunning-Kruger keep popping up. Poor Shaun.
"My case is proven" is the most hilarious line ever spoken on this show
I may have to quit admitting I grew up in Paw Paw.
with that logic all atheists will now be from scandinavia hu3
"I'm taking a dump on my toilet, which was invented by someone. Therefore God." Hilarious. Junior brought his AR-15 to a knife fight and got his ass handed to him. Next?
When Jospeh used to bed Mary, she would shout Oh God and Jesus in the other room would mutter: "Not again"
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LOLZ
Shawn got so frustrated that the last half was him just throwing shade. 😂😂😂
Any God that requires homosapiens to validate its existence is lazy or suspect.
And a good Fri-yay Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️
There's some Olympic level mental gymnastics going on there 😵💫
More things exist therefore god 😄😄😄😄😄😄
Not sure what this new troll, @LIFEFUNK has to offer here, but it seems all he can do is make hit-and-run posts that he can't defend. And because he can't actually make a coherent argument, he pretends he's a muddled little granny and starts referring to people thrashing him as "children". I guess that's the only way for him to forget his humiliation here so that he can sleep at night.🤷♂
And everything I say is true because I have faith.
I don't know what's sadder. Him thinking seniority grants intellectual superiority, or him actually being a grown up adult with the mental capabilities of a toddler.
@@AXKfUN9m NEPy is the same way. He perpetuates the boomer stereotype by being very ignorant of scientific/technical knowledge while being SO confident that he understands it better than actual experts. But when he's losing his arguments because of his lack of knowledge, he starts calling people "kid".
Defend Wokeism atheist. Christians might believe in an illogical sky daddy, but at least they know what a woman is.
@@TheMysteryofWhy So you concede how dumb your other position was? You know, the one where you had NO idea what "illogical" means? Where you don't understand symbolic representation? Where you think "incoherence" is same as "illogical"?
And because you got so thoroughly destroyed, you now want to move to your right wing manufactured wedge issue that has NOTHING to do with atheism???
If you want to keep playing, why don't you tell us what "wokeism" is, since it's you guys making that up? And when you claim that Christians somehow know what a "woman" is, implying non-Christians don't, I presume that you are talking about the feminine gender? Or are you talking about how Christian Nationalists wanting to grab women by the **ssy to make sure that they are a biological female?
@@TheMysteryofWhy When someone asks you to use the pronouns she/her when you talk about her, is it such a sacrilege to accept her request ?
He tried the Gotcha questions, FAILED!!!!! 😂🤣😂
I just want to advise my fellow theists that just because we're both theists it doesn't mean you'll get a free pass getting either atheism nor science wrong.
No matter how hard you lie.
I'm sorry that upsets you but I'm under no obligation to defend your ignorance nor dishonesty just because I have beliefs.
The usual debunked arguments:
Fine tuning - no constants have been demonstrated to be tuned.
Anthropic/puddle reasoning (distinct from FTA) - relies on assuming that things are noticeably existent because they were intended to be rather than because they exist and were noticed.
KCA - relies on special pleading a particular something from nothing
Contingency - relies on special pleading that contingency exists
Design - relies on comparing known human design with known lack of design then assuming everything unknown is designed.
Irreducible Complexity - still not demonstrated to exist
Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically
If I say I can know God by Faith and we all have the same measure of Faith given to us as mentioned in Romans12v3 and I find it to be true to myself does it become a fact and a way to understand God ? Or is it a lie and in effect make God out to be a liar as well? Because you Atheists say that as if you fear not God or his word and do just what I am saying. I have known God by Faith for over 40 plus years and are a Born Again Christian and yet I am called a liar by daring to believe in Gods word and tell others that they can know God the same way as well. It is quite sobering watching grown adults lie and twist themselves into pretzels as they refuse one way of knowing God and demand another way or ask proof of another way. Such as the things of God that if one is a Born Again Believer he confronts as he is called a liar or whatever and it is what it is and it makes you realize indeed the world will hate you.
@@davidrexford586 We are still waiting for you to provide some good verifiable evidence that you are right about your creator g0d and that one billion Hindus are wrong about theirs.
What's the hold up?
@@davidrexford586
1) It's not a fact if it isn't _demonstrably_ true.
2) Being unprovable doesn't make something false or a lie either. _False_ dichotomy there 😉
3) I'm an agnostic pantheist actually.
4) Fear isn't a good or moral method to inspire belief IMHO.
5) I personally only call people liars if ut looks like they're lying.
6) Implying that I'm a liar for pointing out fallacies or debunked arguments is a _dishonest_ action.
7) Threatening me with hate, however subtle, doesn't inspire belief either.
Got anything more than "I believe therefore you're wrong and liar"?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 you are your own holdup. Find God with the Faith given you or sit around demanding of God another way as if you are in charge of God. Remember Gods will and purpose are his alone Ephesians 2v10. Go yourself or don’t bother because I already found God by Faith and none came to me with another way nor did I demand God show me another way.
@@davidrexford586What was the last thing ‘god’ said to you and how did you determine it was actually ‘god’ saying it?
"Those Pixies Died For You"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Callers get more insane by the day.
Well, that's worrying, as this is from 7 years ago, so they must be jaw-droppingly insane by now. Oh wait - you're right, they are!
Yeah, this doesn't hold a candle to the seven-day-week guy.
@@Lazy_Sundae Before I saw the date. 8^)
"We exist, therefore we exist for a reason"
He farted at 4:27 😂
How smart these two hosts are! Totally liked it.
These southern bible thumpers are so small minded.
Dude is from Michigan, not southern. Fundies are everywhere.
When are these callers going to realise that special pleading is not proof of their gods existence.
It's quite simple, no proof means they have no arguments.
First you have the universe, nature,
then "minds" are made OF and within that nature.
Not the other way around.
"Minds" are made OF natural interactions, within the universes natural interactions.
Minds don't CREATE natural interactions.
Our awareness of or using "already there" natural interactions is NOT the same as MAKING & starting the universe & nature.
Not one single thing we've seen ( that we didnt purposely design, eg painting ) including people & animals, has been "designed" or "created" with just mind power.
We didnt "create" our child, it was a bunch of natural chemical interactions that happen, naturally.
( We are aware of & purposely have sex, but that is only using our awareness of natural interactions, & so putting ourselves in a good position for chemical interactions to happen, if they naturally can happen )
Just like EVERYthing else we've EVER seen.
So what ( except for arrogance, thinking your mind is "godlike" amazing )
would make someone think that a minds awareness of its nature, means that it must be a mind that is actually behind that nature.
Its a really weird idea, thats only slipped into the human zeitgeist cos humans didnt always have a way to test ideas, so stupid ideas are still here .
Now we do have ways of testing ideas with reality.
So now its just getting really arrogant, ignorant & stubborn peoole to face they were mistaken & learn from it.
🤦♀️🌏☮️
This, with many humans, is the hardest bit .
This ☝️
🏆
So he went from a fallacy of going from the specific to the general
2:40
to a crazy-@ss non-sequitor 4:13
😂
So according to his logic, since god exists, he was created for that purpose by a higher intelligent being who was in turn created for that purpose by an even higher intelligent being. Man this is wild.
Yeah, theists often need to bends the rules of their argument to allow god to not come from anything else, like "Everything that exists has a cause, the universe exists so the universe has a cause" to defend that god exists, then it also implies that god exists if we replace "the universe" with "god" for the second premise. So then they have to change the wording so that you can't put god in the second premise. Same for "you can't have life come from non-life" (if god isn't life then you're saying life comes from god, which is not life contradicting your argument, and if god is life then your own argument says you mudt have something before god) or many other arguments like that
It's super-gods all the way down.
I'm curious, we are dependent on bacteria in our bodies in order to survive, yet I am willing to bet that Shaun would never claim that that bacteria is a "higher power." Seems really subjective on what he's calling higher power.
This theist is dancing around faith they want to claim science sooo bad 😂
He jumps to the conclusion that there’s something (someone intelligent) beyond the Sun. All evidence points towards dependence on the Sun, sure, you can worship it if you want to, early primitive humans did. It’s when you make claims “this is what god wants” where you lose all credibility because reality is not dependent on your imaginary friend
I believe in the sun. I’m going to worship it because it’s good to me and all life on the planet. In fact I’m going to call it ……hm……I know, God. There, solved it.
This guys smart enough to repeat what he’s been told, but not smart enough to have thought about it. He’s just asserting assumption over and over.
Why are we here? Because we are here roll the bones ;-)
@@RickLambert963 I can't find any definitions on google about what gatheists are. So either 1) you did multiple times the same spelling mistake on that comment, 2) you're inventing a word (and then we can simply answer that we aren't gatheists by your definition) or 3) you're trying to make a word (or a group of words) sound stupid to try to gain points (which is a sophism). Pick your poison
I lost two family members to this kind of thinking.
Fairy tales for adults
Ra - the Sun is god ...
And he's hot too, I hear.
And doesn't take 2000+ years to show up again.
Here’s a fact we can all agree on: This caller has 0 evidence of any intelligent guidance in his life.
It actually was universe creating pixies, nobody can prove it wasn't & if you don't believe in them with all your heart they'll send you to the Shadow realm, & they don't have pancakes or waffles in the Shadow realm only dry rice cakes 😢 it's true take it on faith
If they don't belive you now, it doesn't matter. In the afterlife, when they are in front of the pixies, they will know the truth.
It's time to dududududududuel!
No pancakes or waffles??? I must convert to pixie worship now 😂
This is bad, man. How can an adult human being be this irrational? This is alarming...
That's what religion is doing.
@@littlesoul8282
Religion is a cancer on society.
MysteryOfWhy, 51 minutes ago: _"When someone asks you to use the pronouns she/her when you talk about her, is it such a sacrilege to accept her request ?" Yes. It absolutely is._
MysteryOfWhy, 37 minutes ago: _I don't acknowledge the word "sacrilege" as I am neither Chrstian, Athesit, nor religious. As badly as you people without arguments want me to be._
No contradiction there, then 😂
By the way, does anyone know what an "Athesit" is? I don't speak Bigotese.
I JUST made a comment about how this guy struggles with internal consistencies.
And he still struggles with understanding what it means for something to be illogical. Hint: being gay doesn't make you illogical.
He thinks if a statement is incomprehensible, so you don't know the content, then it's illogical. 😂😂😂 Based on this guy's illogical position, EVERYTHING written in a language he doesn't understand, such as English apparently, is illogical. 😂
@@queuecee I'm intrigued that he refers to this hypothetical woman as "her" in the same breath as saying it's sacrilege to refer to a woman as "her" if she wants you to. And just to confuse things even more, 14 minutes later he says he doesn't acknowledge the word 'sacrilege'! We've hooked a live one here, mate 😂🍿
@@queuecee Also, for all the pronoun whiners that frequent this channel, I reckon he's the first to complain about a woman being called 'she/her' 😆
Here's an illustration of a Christian who has NO idea what logic is but will, illogically, say things are illogical for their illogical argument.
-I'm not a Christian, you just desperately want me to be because you're entire world view can be summed up to, "I don't believe in an obviously false god concept." Wow, you're some kind of genius. But that isn't a very reassuring world view to hold. And it's harmful because you have no foundation for right and wrong. You just understand that some things are right and some things are wrong and the relies heavily on your subjective delusion of objective reality. The same reason why a believer's God almost always agrees with their own values.
Example 1:
"If enough people in a society unknowingly engage in selfish satanic behavior, it will bring an apocalypse to that society. (Homosexuality being some of that selfish satanic behavior that hinders evolution and thus, our species.)"
I'm not sure where to even begin here.
Claim 1: "There's some threshold of selfish satanic behavior that will create an apocalypse to that society." (No idea where they get this claim and they can't say what that threshold is and what an apocalypse for that particular society is.)
- Exactly 1,234,232,232 people. What a ridiculous demand. Do you know how many raindrops will make a bucket overflow? And I never claimed a specific threshold. I said MOST/MAJORITY. You flat out lied. Your ridiculous explanation for claim 1, which wasn't even the claim you specified here has been dismissed as dishonest.
Claim 2: "Homosexuality is a selfish satanic behavior."
- It is. My book explains why. Objective reality doesn't care about your subjective delusion.
Claim 3: "Selfish satanic behavior "hinders" evolution and thus, our species."
- It does. My book explains how. Just like you don't understand Wokeism, you don't understand what Satanism is.
Can you believe that there are people who hold these kinds of beliefs with NO evidence? Just "faith"? But I guess this guy believing evolution, despite his obvious ignorance of evolution, is a plus, so yay?
- I never said you need faith. Everything I say is observable in objective reality. The evidence you demand is in my book. You refuse to read my book, so you actively refuse the evidence.
Example 2:
"To act/think/behave illogically is to sin against the real God, us, this reality and everything in it. This is why religions like Christianity talk about being kind to each other. It's illogical to abuse someone else, because by doing so, you abuse yourself. You minimize your contentment here."
Claim 4: "Illogical THOUGHTS and actions count as a sin against god. But also a sin against us? And against reality? And against the universe???"
- Yes, God is just another name for this universe, our reality, logic itself, all of us within it. Why is that a concept you can't understand? You're so fixated on this nonsense old man fairy tale god that you're brain can't even understand this simple concept.
Claim 5: "Religions like Christianity says to be kind to each other to reduce illogical thoughts and actions?"
- Yes, all of jesus' teachings are just trauma recovery, which in itself, is very good and everyone alive should understand it. The problem arises when the personal god is attached. And jesus had nothing to do with that, jesus was a philosopher which lead him to be a psychologiest. Churches didn't begin as places of worship to gods, they were men institutions.
Claim 6: "Abusing someone else is illogical because it's same as abusing oneself (do your self-abuse in moderation and in the privacy of your own home, folks), and self-abuse is illogical for Christians."
This is literally a mess of words. Please proofread your nonsense if you expect me to read it all. But yes, abusing yourself is illogical when you have the option not to. It really blows my mind that this need to be said. Can you agree the pleasure is desirable as pain is not for a conscious being? And to desire abuse is indicative of men illness? Because it is.
Claim 7: "Self-abuse minimizes your contentment here, so I guess he's saying that it's bad?" (Considering Christians talk about an eternal afterlife, what does the level of contentment here matter in comparison to infinite contentment?)
- I'm not a Christian, so you can't use a "I'm rubber you're glue," argument here. please address this again as you are not talking to a Christian, no matter how desperately you need me to be. I've been in a church 3 times in my life, 2 were for weddings.
So these Christians are DEFINITELY kind to everyone, right? And you can see all their kindness OOZE out on these comment sections. NEPy and Jim definitely demonstrate that Christian kindness, don't they?
- I never claimed to be kind to demons, adult children. You act like a child you get treated like one.
Everyone knows that the Universe is guided by an intelligent Can of Beans. Can of Beans provides all gas as well.
_"Wokeism is an ideological framework used by 1. social justice 2. feminism 3. gay price 4. fat acceptance"_
~ MysteryOfWhy's bizarre definition of "wokeism" 🍿
By the way, have any of you ever been on a gay price march? Is that an anti-inflation thing? Are gay people being charged more for stuff in the shops? This is scandalous!
@@Lazy_Sundae This is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
I am gay, I live in a "gay city." Since you have no idea, let me assure you, the gay's are doing just fine without your concern.
""Wokeism is an ideological framework used by 1. social justice 2. feminism 3. gay price 4. fat acceptance"
~ MysteryOfWhy's bizarre definition of "wokeism" "
You people are spineless. Why not notify me of this message and debate me?
@@TheMysteryofWhy "I am gay"
And yet you've come here to complain about "gay price wokeism". You're a hoot! 🤣🍿
@@TheMysteryofWhy, do you want to actually debate, or do you mean you just want to post more asinine comments? Because you don't need anyone else's partipation in order do the latter.
The *potential* for all intelligence at the ‘beginning’ of the universe doesn’t imply an intelligent *underlying nature* of the universe, nor that this ‘beginning’ was a conscious act. Like the birth and death of a star, human existence and consciousness is a natural phenomena.
11:33 I love it when the crew of the Atheist Experience laugh so hard the sound bleeds into the microphone. Please someone make a compilation of these hilarious AXP moments!!!
The volume and speed at which theists speak are inversely proportional to the wisdom of their utterances.
as a result of this I now warship the Sun
And I battleship the Moon :)
@@NeverKnowinglyUndersouled Dangnabbit, you were faster on the joke.
I talk to the trees
But they don't listen to me ...
Dogmatic thought is insidious. It locks you into thought loops like this guy is in.
Another fool fooling himself by fooling himself.
I’m just giving you facts here
Water and food are higher powers too, I guess. They don't need me, but I need them.
Ah good old assertions and presuppositions.
Person 1 “There is SO much evidence of god all around you!!”
Person 2 “okay can you give me some?”
Person 1, an idiot “ what a dishonest question”
Theists seem to pick up absurd, delusional fairytales, from last Sundays sermon, via some ignorant pastor or televangelist; then proceed to actually believe the bullshit, eventually deciding to call this show to provide proof of its legitimacy.
Baseless claim. Oh heres this. Another baseless claim. Oh how about a therefore x? No? Another baseless claim. How about another baseless claim?
Seriously, I love being here.