I'm also getting a bit tired of this notion that America is the most advanced, free and educated country in the world. Compared to many countries in western Europe, America is falling behind.
***** America being the most "free" country is an American concept. I have no idea what it means myself, because it's nonsense. What I am referring to is a lot of cases where people from different cultures enter America, they will ask "How do you find finally being free?" or people stating that America is the only "free" country in the world. I'm guessing they mean freedom by access to education and choice of career, with democratic leadership as well as a focus on libertarian values (freedom of speech, rights to your own opinions, rights to govern your own lives etc) Which most european countries fall under. Yes, not all european countries are like this, but europe isn't this unified nation, there's no connection between us other than being on the same continent. So saying that the US is the "freest" country there is because some european countries aren't is silly. I'm not saying you or all American's proclaim this, I'm just tired of those who do. And I couldn't care less WHERE scientific advancements occur. What matters is where and how well it's used.
***** That is not exactly true about Norway. In Denmark we have basicly the same system. If you are a member of the church, you pay 1% more in tax. That 1% goes to the church, but you are not forced to be a member. Though you are born a member, if your parents are.
***** I think you misunderstand something. Almost no one believes in God here, we are a nation of nonbelievers. But everyone is free to believe whatever they want. We don't have a state religion. Most of our churches are more than 800 years old, they are considered national treasures. And we all have an interest in preserving them. That's what the money are for. But since it's a free country, it's optional whether you want to contribute or not. You sound like you believe that america have more freedom than we do. But that's just typical.
"Why does it have to be a being?" "There's biblical evidence..." That's like saying "Why does it have to happen at Hogwarts and not New Jersey?" "There's evidence Hogwarts exists if you read the Harry Potter series."
Atheists by denying anything spiritual have formed their own belief system of finite materialism, survival of the fittest, self interested hedonism, and carnality. Atheists have their own celebrity preachers Hitchens Dawkins who preach the atheist religion with almost identical doctrine on evolutionary theory, hatred to religion, hostility and intolerance. Atheism has become a cult that denies all science, even in the face if 1963 Nobel Prize winning research by Eugene Wigner debunking atheist materialism, atheists keep on holding on to their cult for dear life. Let's accept science and progress, and move on to the spiritual universe exploring Jesus' teachings for mankind's future.
vernonclassic well for me (I became an atheist before I really even knew who ray comfort was), I first noticed that he was using kirk cameron (a child actor, of all people) as his little crony follower, so I just knew that whatever he had to say was going to be complete bullshit. When I *first* saw his banana argument, my fist thought was "That... that is not even the right way to open a banana. This guy is either willfully ignorant, or just blatantly stupid." After seeing and hearing him debate logical-minded people like King Crocoduck and AronRa, I decided to go with the latter option. He sounds so damn convinced in what he says though, I am still just slightly torn. Odds are though, he is just a money-making scam artist.
Even Ray had to give up the banana argument when someone showed him what an actual wild banana looked like. The banana we get at the grocery store is highly modified and looks nothing like the wild banana ancestor.
The West Point cadet is most definitely telling the truth. I was also a victim of this same sort of prejudiced during my time as a cadet in OCS. Long story short I was required to do physical training , the same physical training inflicted as punishment for minor offenses, for the entire time other cadets were off to practice their religious preference. This practice continued every Sunday until I graduated.
I frequently feel a little sad that people like Matt and Jen are down in Texas, a place I wouldn't set foot in for money. I wish there were more folks like this around.
Austin and Denton are extremely different from what most people outside of Texas assume Texas is like. Dallas is kinda sorta the same way just a lot dirtier and more expensive. It's the rural and suburban areas of Texas that fit into the bible-belt stereotype. It's a shame since those people make up the vast majority of the population but the atheist community is growing here and we're starting to make our voices heard. There are dozens of us. . . DOZENS!!!!!!!!
Todd demonstrated that he was not smart enough to realize how ignorant he was. The need to justify their 'faith' is the downfall of Christian reasoning. 'Nothing' has been demonstrated, Todd said 'Nothing' that was reasonable.
I went to a funeral for an 8 month old once and the paternal grandmother started "speaking in tongues". It angered me that she would take that moment to try to garner attention for herself when there were grieving parents and siblings that had to witness and be very upset by this display.
Moments like those, i get hyper aware and try and pick up on any fakery on whats going... To whats being said/mannerisms/expression etc did it feel like a total show? Lol totally inappropriate to do that, unless she had a seizure!
To explain this excellent comment -The banana was, purportedly, the creationist's recent proof of the intelligent design of God - but at least 18 months before this programme, Ray Comfort had already apologised for his stupidity that he did not understand that the banana had been modified , genetically, to be the way it is by humans - Matt hung up because the guy was a muppet - something that all rationalists should do, rather than share a stage with an idiot who claims, for example, that the sun is a big piece of paper, painted yellow and that it rotates round the earth (the Catholic view which threatened Galileo with "inquisition" (death) and placed him under house arrest for his truths in the early 1600's
MCWon212 Don't just take what he says and relay it to theists, actually go out and study things for yourself so you have an understanding of what you are debating about. I'm pretty sure Matt would tell you the same thing as well chap.
Atheism is the worst religious indoctrination that teaches people to be disrespectful to the culture and heritage of people around the world. By definition, atheism has become a committed, devoted, personal and institutionalized system of religious beliefs, practices, and worldview complete with their own celebrity preachers they idolize and blindly parrot like Dawkins, Hitchens, Hawkings, etc.. Atheistic religious fanaticism has become the most intolerant, and disrespectful fanatical religion out there. Ultimately, it ends up like North Korea, where the people hate their rulers, long to worship God, and the atheistic state starves millions of innocent men, women, and children. And, don’t give me the lie that the Kim family are regarded as deities, there are 20,000 defectors in South Korea, and not one of them believe the Kim family is a deity or has supernatural capabilities. As Einstein predicted, “There are fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics, and comes from the same source.”
+Alex Kane Something must first have earned respect in order for it to be disrespected. Cultish delusions do not deserve any respect. Ergo, can not be disrespected...
I did 20 years on active duty. Not religious. Bowed my head in formation for invocations, because that's what everyone else was doing - herd mentality/compliance. Until roughly 18 year mark, senior NCO by then, began lifting my head up about 1/2 way and looked around at other formations around me and saw a few others doing the same thing. We'd connect eye-balls and give a little head nod and eye roll at each other. Wink Wink. LOL.
When I was in US Navy boot camp, we had a choice on Sunday mornings to either go to church or clean the barracks. At church, you could relax in a pew, and there was often coffee and donuts - something that we NEVER saw otherwise. So, while religious observation was not required, those who did not participate were forced to work, with no "treats", while the religious got to relax. At that time, I was not convinced that there was no god - in fact, I thought there probably was, but I was NOT a believer in any religion. Still, more often than not, I went to church, because it was far more pleasant than not going.
I would like to point out that no scientist anywhere, ever claimed that the universe came from "nothing". "I don't know" doesn't equate therefore God. Grrr.
Cookie Nibz In physics the idea of 'nothing' is not the same simple concept it is in everyday usage. Usually its defined mathematically since simple words like 'nothing' don't really have any properties. As of 2017 there is no evidence that its possible to have a null state of 'nothing' as any simulations or theorems descibing this state, even at a quantum level, collapse. The state of this description for which most people refer to nothing is described in physics as stable inverse null vacuum. Our own universe is a result of a metastable vacuum due to the higgs field teetering in a valley with a value if 126gEV ... However that's not the floor and were this situation (even one subatomic particle) to fall to a lower level the entire universe would collapse. This isn't likely though, this value is bracketed by a saddle preventing it from falling. Although its not completely impossible since a particle could theoretically quantum tunnel to a lower value. If that ever occurred then 'nothing' would be a real thing really fast...lol So more correctly most physicists would say that 'nothing' is not an actual state ... Just like circles cannot have corners. The people insisting scientists say this or that haven't a clue what science has to say on the matter in the first place. You might notice that its always such people that are delighted to tell you what scientists have to say while having no idea what they are talking about. My advice would be that in the same way you wouldn't get medical advice from a goldfish... Then don't get science from the willfully ignorant.
When I was 19 or 20, I went to a church at the request of my neighbor. Us newbies were taking aside and a big and loud elder insisted that we speak in tongues because we were receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That man got in my face and yelled at me Until I put my hands in the air and started babbling something just to get him to leave me alone. I had not been in the church, but I had been indoctrinated to think that I couldn’t walk away from someone who was abusing me. Better now.
I love it when the caller's entire (obviously rehearsed) argument is entirely predicated on what they THINK Matt's responses will be. Then Matt gives an unexpected response, but undaunted, they continue forward with their argument, in spite of the fact that they're now carrying on a debate with an imagined opponent. "Surely you would agree if I said all dogs were purple?" "No." "Well... I'm going to continue as if you said 'yes', because that makes it much easier to call you stupid. You're stupid!" Hmmm... there's gotta be a metaphor in there somewhere.
The funny thing about "speaking in tongues" the way Pentecostal churches do it, it's _expressly_ contrary to how Paul said it should be done. Someone who speaks in tongues is supposed to _shut the fuck up_ (my paraphrase) unless someone is there who can interpret what they're saying. Besides, if unbelievers show up and see all of them doing this, they'll think they're all insane. It's amazing how selectively these folks read their book. 1 Cor 14; it's all right there.
I was in the military and therefore subjected to some of the invocations and prayer that you talk about. Not one time did I bow my head or close my eyes while attending. I was not forced to pray in any way or punished for not doing so. New testaments were handed out as many people needed spiritual support when heading to war. So in that setting, prayer is absolutely appropriate for some. There are a thousand more things about war that need to be addressed than a few prayer sessions in formation...
So, if god made the big bang like Todd claims, why doesnt he say that in the bible instead of saying he created the earth first then put stars around it, and then says he created Adam and Eve 6000 years ago? Why not say he made the big bang happen then let earth and humans evolve naturally?
I have a universal hypothesis that she only makes everlasting universes and I'll call her Hillary Wonka. Believe it or you'll be reprocessed and you'll never become an operator. You can't prove I'm wrong or crazy in this secular country.
Surely they come up with the cosmological argument for god and the mathematical argument for god etc etc because there is no real evidence so they have to grasp at straws.
Yes. They have to come up with logical necessities without reference to empirical reality because empirical reality tends to disagree with claims of the divine.
Todd was a fun guy. Here is a point that the hosts didn't adress: He referred to the non-existence of a person before that person was born (or, before he existed) as an example of "nothing". But following that logic, then _everything_ comes from nothing, according to him. If his mantra "from nothing nothing comes" is to carry any weight at all, he should change his definition of "nothing" into something that _never_ precedes existence, rather than _always_, as in his own example.
***** It seemed to me like he was aware of that. He simply confused the two notions of a conceptual nothing and a physical nothing. What we are referring to when we are talking about what preceded the universe (if such a sentence is even applicable) is the physical "nothing" (or the nothing that, uh... exists), while he described "nothing" as the _absense of a defined something_. But since even a physical nothing seems to be a contradiction in terms, I don't think the word "nothing" even applies here. It's a fun topic nevertheless.
I am beyond fed up with governmental agencies and/or schools that engage in religious activities. The thought that they are mandatory at a military academy makes me sick to my stomach? Isn't this a violation of the constitution on a couple of fronts? I would be one of the happiest people in the world if religious activities/words/symbols were prohibited and/or immediately removed from all areas of government - whether county, state or local. When I see things like a prayer breakfast at the White House, I cringe inside. Didn't the founding fathers say that religion and state should be separated? And even if the prayer breakfast is non-denominational, it appears to me that the government is taking a stand that there is a god. Or is that supposedly acceptable because it is non-denominational? But as an atheist I am very offended by the president - or any government official - engaging in prayer breakfasts, ending public presentations with "God Bless you and God Bless the United States". I am also offended by the words "In god we trust" on all our currency. I am tired of seeing "In god we trust on almost every federal building I have entered. Finally, I am sickened by people in court swearing to tell the truth on a BIBLE!! That is a clear violation of the separation between church and state. Am I the only one who is so offended by these things? Aren't other atheists also upset? Is there something we can do to change them? And what does this constant religious presence in our government say to - and mean - for atheists? Will we be provided the same protections under the constitution if we do not accept them? I would welcome input from other atheists who share my concerns.
Kay Omholt-Montague I share your concerns, but fear not our numbers are growing, and logic and truth will prevail as religion is cast onto the scrap pile of failed human endeavors.
If it helps at all, in court, nobody has to swear on any holy book, you can just raise your hand and swear to tell the truth or whatever is being asked you.
This guy sounds like he is talking from a script, and expecting certain responses, and when he doesn't get them, he just keeps going assuming that's what they meant.
He's following the creationist/fundamentalist playbook. If you don't like the question of can't comprehend it, dodge it - preferably by asking another irrelevant question.
11:00 - The correct rebuttal to the caller's statement is that when a person is born, the energy and matter used to exist as something else, and now it exists in a different form - a new baby. The baby didn't come from nothing. It's a shame this wasn't mentioned, because it shuts down this argument entirely.
Quantum mechanics is a science where a physicist can explain how something can come from nothing. In quantum mechanics molecules pop in and out of existence.
The Hadron collider has proven a number of these "hypothetical"s. Two of the most remarkable ones are the Higgs Boson and particles popping in and out.
If you're like me and don't bow, you'd notice there's more soldiers not bowing than you'd think. Next time there's some bs training or change of command in the theater.......just take a look while the Champlain is reciting some prayer that makes no sense.
Todd's explanation dealing with his own personal nonexistence prior to his own birth is the most revealing about the tendency for many to presume a created cosmos. What each of us knows is just a mental image of reality built up from interaction with one's environment, starting after the person's 'nonexistence', so the mental image is temporally finite for that person. As social animals, we've developed empathetic abilities to project our minds into other people's minds to facilitate communication; we attempt to put ourselves in the place of others. This projection often extends into nonpersons, objects in our environment that we tend to regard as agents of intent, including the cosmos. How many times do we swear at our non-functioning machines? "God-damned stubborn car won't start!" Hmm. Of course, we eventually learn that people & stuff existed before we were born. All of that reality is just a set of generally reliable images in our minds, whether through direct sensation or plausible stories that seem reliably connected to our familiar sensations. This projection process leads to regarding our thoughts & imagination as the reality that's external to our bodies, likely the cause of apparent mind-body duality that seemingly distinguishes & extricates our personal identities from our bodies; when in fact, our thoughts, identities & imagination are within our brains, i.e. within our bodies. A decapitated person will die. Considering that we know we were born, many of us regard the reality of the cosmos to also have been born or created similarly. Ironically, we also tend to regard our minds to have an existence that extends to a past & future beyond our own bodily existences! Obviously, god intended to confuse us with this duality perception in order to subjugate us! God-damned god! ; ]
The caller(todd) is completely delusional and irrational... I do not think that he was a person faking being a [theist]. Perfectly said/done Matt and Jen. ᵔᴥᵔ ★★★★★ Katalyzt
+Alistair Curmudgeon I think I could audibly hear my brain cells dying of frustration while listening to Todd. I wish I had had monitors connected to my head so that I could have recorded evidence that individual neurons can scream.
Pat Doyle I'm sorry for you, my friend..I know your pain! But think for a moment, the pain that the show's hosts must suffer EVERY week! Philosophical argument can prove, (philosophically), that black is white, and up is down - but in the cold light of reality, only hard, empirical, testable evidence stacks up!
> We kind of already have that. But we don't have that. Why can't I give my best friend, my mother, or my cousin 2 times removed, all the legal authority and rights that I would grant my wife? Why not? Power of attorney, inheritance rights, visitation rights, etc, etc. Why should it be limited to only a single person? This whole STUPID fight is because the government is involving itself with a RELIGIOUS institution - marriage. There should be contract law and that's IT.
THANKS FOR POSTING THE LINK TO THE THEME SONG!!! I figured you're so far in the past I'd shout a little louder :p Thanks for the link! I will try and sing this good and cover the song. It's AWESOME! :)
There aren't any gods which appear to exist. I was a Christian for 20 years and my parents sent me to Christian schools since kindergarten. I began to question my faith as I grew older and I turned to my Bible for answers. Becoming more familiar with biblical content resulted in my apostasy. Subsequent conversations with my parents made them question their faith so much that they stopped attending church. Religious beliefs fail miserably when subjected to critical scrutiny.
I can prove there is NO GOD.... Look at this passage: Matthew 21:22 "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." Now, if you TRULY believe, pray to God/ Jesus and the Holy Spirit to heal someone with Downs Syndrome, Parkinson's Disease or an amputated leg..... See what happens... If the prayer does not get answered, is it because you are not a good Christian? Or, because there is no God?
Freedom 1776 I'm pretty sure that it would be hard to prove that every god isn't real because of how many there are and how broad your knowledge would have to be.
Ugh. People. New explanation for 15:00 - I have a tower of legos we will label 'Bob'. Before I built the tower 'Bob' did not exist. It was a pile of blocks named 'Bill'. Bob did not come from nothing, Bob was built from Bill. That's how people work too, dude.
I was Santa in my hometown for over 10 years. My girlfriend was Mrs. Claus and my daughter was an elf. We had a blast playing the parts. And I am a skeptic non believer. Good times!!
Marriage is a product of culture. You can stay with one person your whole life without giving them a ring and buying all your friends dinner/cake. Marriage should have nothing to do with laws and government at all. The fact that it does has done nothing wasted money as countless politicians have argued about it for decades now.
> I don't think the state recognizes marriage just cause you had a ceremony in a church > (mine doesn't); you have to do the paperwork for a legal contract that happens to be > called marriage as well, I'm not making that claim. I'm simply saying the government shouldn't recognize marriage. When my great grandmother got married, she didn't get a license to do it. No bloodwork, nothing. It was purely a religious ceremony. The government wasn't involved in any way. As it should be.
The thing is that your kid may be confused about "who's" right about Santa. But at some point, he'll realize that you didn't lie to him and he'll appreciate and respect you as a parent.
I believe that was a frequent troll-caller they were getting at the time. I'm going to guess that was Matt from Oslo, calling in to say that Matt is fat; he said "I would just like to point out that you are really..." before he was cut off, I'm almost certain that the next word was going to be "fat". Matt from Oslo called in a load of times under different names and sometimes affecting accents, and present purposely bad and horrible arguments or just scream/yell loudly before being hung up on. Here I recognize the accent and voice right away and am willing to bet that it was him calling in as"Josh from Seattle" to call Matt fat again (I say again because he managed to call Matt fat a few times during his period of calls before being hung up on). I'm convinced that Matt from Oslo is an atheist troll and was just calling up to mess with them, which I recall he admitted to and came clean one one of the aftershows.
If a church doesn't want to do it they don't have to. But there are churches that are willing to do gay marriage. "civil unions" are nothing more than separate but equal.
> Are you absolutely positive that you can't give any of those rights to people, > even in your will? Oh, it's POSSIBLE, but it's EXTREMELY expensive, and even after you do all that crap, the contract you've made with your "partner" whomever it may be, can be challeneged in court for it. That's just BS. How do I know this - I know people who have attempted it. Keep the religious people happy with the ceremony - neuter their argument. The government should not recognize "marriage" at all.
this gentleman was in love with his own words and voice. he loved saying "logical", rational" ,basically", "empirically", as if he were actually BEING logical, empirical and rational. One signof his idleness is the redundance of his formula"empirical experience". (Probably another has something to do with being named Todd, but that is of course more subjective)
> but I don't know how that should play into taxes and whatnot. IT SHOULDN'T. Why should people get a tax incentive or disincentive to get married? WHY? Can you think of why this is fair, or should be done? I think it's a pretty simple proposition - keep government out of your personal life entirely.
Man, I really love this show, being a new-ish atheist. I enjoy the talks they have with their viewers (religious or not). Although I don't see much of an opening for the religious to win a debate, I still commend them on their good nature and drive to find answers for the things they care about. I just wished they would listen to the hosts more and come to understand the mindset that comes to being from being a non-believer.
American Atheists, apply a sharpie to the phrase "In God We Trust" on all of your dollar bills when you find yourself bored enough to do so. With enough bills fixed, we may get someone's attention who may remove the phrase.
Okay, I completely accept (and am often unhappy with) the religious infection of the US in comparison to Western Europe, Japan, Australia, and the like. But… India? More religiously tolerant than the US? Atheists have been murdered in India. They get attacked by mobs. Women get stoned for being raped by command of the local religious leaders. I understand that this might only be in certain “rural” areas, but this doesn't generally happen in the USA. And it's also institutional. My father went to India on a business trip a few years ago: Guess what? He had to fill out his “religion” on the visa application. The choices were Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Other. (When he chose Other, the travel adviser sent it back, telling him it was a bad idea to pick that. So he ended up saying he was Christian, even though he's an atheist of Jewish decent.) So, yeah. Totally more tolerant than the US. Where's the evidence for this claim?
I'm also getting a bit tired of this notion that America is the most advanced, free and educated country in the world. Compared to many countries in western Europe, America is falling behind.
I'm sorry for you guys.
*****
America being the most "free" country is an American concept. I have no idea what it means myself, because it's nonsense.
What I am referring to is a lot of cases where people from different cultures enter America, they will ask "How do you find finally being free?" or people stating that America is the only "free" country in the world.
I'm guessing they mean freedom by access to education and choice of career, with democratic leadership as well as a focus on libertarian values (freedom of speech, rights to your own opinions, rights to govern your own lives etc) Which most european countries fall under. Yes, not all european countries are like this, but europe isn't this unified nation, there's no connection between us other than being on the same continent. So saying that the US is the "freest" country there is because some european countries aren't is silly.
I'm not saying you or all American's proclaim this, I'm just tired of those who do.
And I couldn't care less WHERE scientific advancements occur. What matters is where and how well it's used.
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That is not exactly true about Norway. In Denmark we have basicly the same system. If you are a member of the church, you pay 1% more in tax. That 1% goes to the church, but you are not forced to be a member. Though you are born a member, if your parents are.
*****
USA is a christian country as well. You even write "in god we trust" on your money. Your "point" makes no sense.
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I think you misunderstand something. Almost no one believes in God here, we are a nation of nonbelievers. But everyone is free to believe whatever they want. We don't have a state religion. Most of our churches are more than 800 years old, they are considered national treasures. And we all have an interest in preserving them. That's what the money are for. But since it's a free country, it's optional whether you want to contribute or not. You sound like you believe that america have more freedom than we do. But that's just typical.
"Why does it have to be a being?"
"There's biblical evidence..."
That's like saying
"Why does it have to happen at Hogwarts and not New Jersey?"
"There's evidence Hogwarts exists if you read the Harry Potter series."
Atheists by denying anything spiritual have formed their own belief system of finite materialism, survival of the fittest, self interested hedonism, and carnality. Atheists have their own celebrity preachers Hitchens Dawkins who preach the atheist religion with almost identical doctrine on evolutionary theory, hatred to religion, hostility and intolerance.
Atheism has become a cult that denies all science, even in the face if 1963 Nobel Prize winning research by Eugene Wigner debunking atheist materialism, atheists keep on holding on to their cult for dear life.
Let's accept science and progress, and move on to the spiritual universe exploring Jesus' teachings for mankind's future.
+Hawk Sandwich Wait does that mean you don't believe in the great Patronus in the sky?
BlueGlowingLight4 If that's a Harry Potter reference, I'm sorry but I don't get it :3 I've never read/watched Harry Potter.
hahaha, it's ok. A Patronus is a spell in the books.
BlueGlowingLight4 Ah
Todd thinks that if you have a bun, some beef, some cheese and some relish and call it a cheeseburger then you have made something out of nothing
he says there must have been a time when nothing existed. so therefore his eternal god does not exist.
Precisely. He's defeating his own argument.
You know your argument isn't very good when you start giving bananas as examples.
Michael Wotherspoon My argument is that fruits are edible. I would like to use the banana as example.
Michael Wotherspoon -- Would that be word fruit salad?
+Michael Wotherspoon What if the being is a banana that created the universe?
*mind explodes*
+Michael Wotherspoon That caller was a troll. How can you be unaware of the Ray Comfort banana fiasco? omg
It's really quite surprising that the argument has such a peel among theists.
"The banana, for example": what a marvelous line! It cracks me up.
Daniel Gunter obvious ray comfort supporter is obvious! (or just a bloody prankster)
vernonclassic well for me (I became an atheist before I really even knew who ray comfort was), I first noticed that he was using kirk cameron (a child actor, of all people) as his little crony follower, so I just knew that whatever he had to say was going to be complete bullshit. When I *first* saw his banana argument, my fist thought was "That... that is not even the right way to open a banana. This guy is either willfully ignorant, or just blatantly stupid." After seeing and hearing him debate logical-minded people like King Crocoduck and AronRa, I decided to go with the latter option. He sounds so damn convinced in what he says though, I am still just slightly torn. Odds are though, he is just a money-making scam artist.
Even Ray had to give up the banana argument when someone showed him what an actual wild banana looked like. The banana we get at the grocery store is highly modified and looks nothing like the wild banana ancestor.
I'm sure that he didn't change his argument just because he could no longer rely on his "evidence."
Daniel Gunter At what minute ?
The West Point cadet is most definitely telling the truth. I was also a victim of this same sort of prejudiced during my time as a cadet in OCS. Long story short I was required to do physical training , the same physical training inflicted as punishment for minor offenses, for the entire time other cadets were off to practice their religious preference. This practice continued every Sunday until I graduated.
Tyrannosaur Rex Stop bitching and whining. So what?
Vertical Horizon Fuck off bitch.
15:30 His argument is like saying "if 1 is something and 0 is nothing, than 2 is nothing because it isn't 1".
I frequently feel a little sad that people like Matt and Jen are down in Texas, a place I wouldn't set foot in for money. I wish there were more folks like this around.
ah man i feel the same!
They're in Austin, which Matt describes as something along the lines of "the liberal area of Texas"
Adam Rubinson If I remember correctly, he refers to it as an "oasis".
I'm pretty sure it was "liberal bastion" lol
Austin and Denton are extremely different from what most people outside of Texas assume Texas is like. Dallas is kinda sorta the same way just a lot dirtier and more expensive. It's the rural and suburban areas of Texas that fit into the bible-belt stereotype. It's a shame since those people make up the vast majority of the population but the atheist community is growing here and we're starting to make our voices heard. There are dozens of us. . . DOZENS!!!!!!!!
Todd demonstrated that he was not smart enough to realize how ignorant he was. The need to justify their 'faith' is the downfall of Christian reasoning. 'Nothing' has been demonstrated, Todd said 'Nothing' that was reasonable.
I loved Jen's second theory bout why the U.S. is so religious: the poor social safety net leaves a gap filled by churches.
I went to a funeral for an 8 month old once and the paternal grandmother started "speaking in tongues". It angered me that she would take that moment to try to garner attention for herself when there were grieving parents and siblings that had to witness and be very upset by this display.
Moments like those, i get hyper aware and try and pick up on any fakery on whats going... To whats being said/mannerisms/expression etc did it feel like a total show? Lol totally inappropriate to do that, unless she had a seizure!
To those who may not be aware, Matt hung up because the banana was a reference to Ray Comfort.
To explain this excellent comment -The banana was, purportedly, the creationist's recent proof of the intelligent design of God - but at least 18 months before this programme, Ray Comfort had already apologised for his stupidity that he did not understand that the banana had been modified , genetically, to be the way it is by humans - Matt hung up because the guy was a muppet - something that all rationalists should do, rather than share a stage with an idiot who claims, for example, that the sun is a big piece of paper, painted yellow and that it rotates round the earth (the Catholic view which threatened Galileo with "inquisition" (death) and placed him under house arrest for his truths in the early 1600's
In the beginning was the banana...
DamnDirtyApe ... and Comfort peeled the banana on the face of the waters...
...and god the cartoonist looked down, and drew small Comfort...
And then The Amazing Atheist TJ Kirk found the banana...
And then Kirk Cameron shoved the banana up his ass.
:-)
Matt is always giving me ammo to pawn these religious noobs!
MCWon212 Don't just take what he says and relay it to theists, actually go out and study things for yourself so you have an understanding of what you are debating about. I'm pretty sure Matt would tell you the same thing as well chap.
Religious apologists are always giving us ammo to pawn them with, too. ;)
"You can't have something that's infinite!! It logically would be impossible!!!"
"Is your god infinite?"
"YES!"
*logic! :D*
Christ. He wasn't a poe. He was serious. He went full banana.
Atheism is the worst religious indoctrination that teaches people to be disrespectful to the culture and heritage of people around the world. By definition, atheism has become a committed, devoted, personal and institutionalized system of religious beliefs, practices, and worldview complete with their own celebrity preachers they idolize and blindly parrot like Dawkins, Hitchens, Hawkings, etc.. Atheistic religious fanaticism has become the most intolerant, and disrespectful fanatical religion out there. Ultimately, it ends up like North Korea, where the people hate their rulers, long to worship God, and the atheistic state starves millions of innocent men, women, and children. And, don’t give me the lie that the Kim family are regarded as deities, there are 20,000 defectors in South Korea, and not one of them believe the Kim family is a deity or has supernatural capabilities. As Einstein predicted, “There are fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics, and comes from the same source.”
+Alex Kane
Something must first have earned respect in order for it to be disrespected.
Cultish delusions do not deserve any respect.
Ergo, can not be disrespected...
Wilbert Lek Atheism is a cult just like veganism is a dietary lifestyle.
Alex Kane
Atheism is a cult like 'off' is a TV channel...
Wilbert Lek nope, because "on" isnt a TV channel. Nice try though lol.
I did 20 years on active duty. Not religious. Bowed my head in formation for invocations, because that's what everyone else was doing - herd mentality/compliance. Until roughly 18 year mark, senior NCO by then, began lifting my head up about 1/2 way and looked around at other formations around me and saw a few others doing the same thing. We'd connect eye-balls and give a little head nod and eye roll at each other. Wink Wink. LOL.
the first caller went completely bananas
When I was in US Navy boot camp, we had a choice on Sunday mornings to either go to church or clean the barracks. At church, you could relax in a pew, and there was often coffee and donuts - something that we NEVER saw otherwise. So, while religious observation was not required, those who did not participate were forced to work, with no "treats", while the religious got to relax. At that time, I was not convinced that there was no god - in fact, I thought there probably was, but I was NOT a believer in any religion. Still, more often than not, I went to church, because it was far more pleasant than not going.
OKAY! Okay!! I admit it!
I love this show!
It gives me hope and a smile every time I tune in.
I completely lost it at Banana. I wish they kept him around... wanted to know where he was going with that. Hah
Todd must have paid for the worst apologetics course on the internet
I would like to point out that no scientist anywhere, ever claimed that the universe came from "nothing". "I don't know" doesn't equate therefore God. Grrr.
Cookie Nibz In physics the idea of 'nothing' is not the same simple concept it is in everyday usage. Usually its defined mathematically since simple words like 'nothing' don't really have any properties.
As of 2017 there is no evidence that its possible to have a null state of 'nothing' as any simulations or theorems descibing this state, even at a quantum level, collapse. The state of this description for which most people refer to nothing is described in physics as stable inverse null vacuum. Our own universe is a result of a metastable vacuum due to the higgs field teetering in a valley with a value if 126gEV ... However that's not the floor and were this situation (even one subatomic particle) to fall to a lower level the entire universe would collapse. This isn't likely though, this value is bracketed by a saddle preventing it from falling. Although its not completely impossible since a particle could theoretically quantum tunnel to a lower value. If that ever occurred then 'nothing' would be a real thing really fast...lol
So more correctly most physicists would say that 'nothing' is not an actual state ... Just like circles cannot have corners.
The people insisting scientists say this or that haven't a clue what science has to say on the matter in the first place. You might notice that its always such people that are delighted to tell you what scientists have to say while having no idea what they are talking about.
My advice would be that in the same way you wouldn't get medical advice from a goldfish... Then don't get science from the willfully ignorant.
It's not funny, it's sad that people can be so delusional and the fact that so many people have died over religion.
When I was 19 or 20, I went to a church at the request of my neighbor. Us newbies were taking aside and a big and loud elder insisted that we speak in tongues because we were receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That man got in my face and yelled at me Until I put my hands in the air and started babbling something just to get him to leave me alone. I had not been in the church, but I had been indoctrinated to think that I couldn’t walk away from someone who was abusing me. Better now.
I could repeat the performance now.
Fire whoever was in charge of the mic volume levels, gah.
haha, they're all volunteers.
I love it when the caller's entire (obviously rehearsed) argument is entirely predicated on what they THINK Matt's responses will be. Then Matt gives an unexpected response, but undaunted, they continue forward with their argument, in spite of the fact that they're now carrying on a debate with an imagined opponent.
"Surely you would agree if I said all dogs were purple?"
"No."
"Well... I'm going to continue as if you said 'yes', because that makes it much easier to call you stupid. You're stupid!"
Hmmm... there's gotta be a metaphor in there somewhere.
I wish I had that button when people talk nonsense to me.
ART1GAMES you do its called headphones and delbrately nodding as if you give a shit. It always works for me.
There is a portion of our brain responsible for religion, it's also the same part of the brain responsible for hearing voices in your head.
T.O.D.D. must be an acronym for Totally Oblivious (of) Deity Dilemmas.
If you're forced to do a prayer, just do it and pretend you agree with it when you really don't. That's what I do.
The funny thing about "speaking in tongues" the way Pentecostal churches do it, it's _expressly_ contrary to how Paul said it should be done. Someone who speaks in tongues is supposed to _shut the fuck up_ (my paraphrase) unless someone is there who can interpret what they're saying. Besides, if unbelievers show up and see all of them doing this, they'll think they're all insane.
It's amazing how selectively these folks read their book. 1 Cor 14; it's all right there.
@ 9:40 Todd says "There was a time when I did not exist".
OH HAPPY DAY!
Bananas...so God exist.
Everything you are is a collection of matter that had always existed in this universe. It eill exist after your death, just not as you.
omg... the Banana... haha.. ''your done''
I was in the military and therefore subjected to some of the invocations and prayer that you talk about. Not one time did I bow my head or close my eyes while attending. I was not forced to pray in any way or punished for not doing so. New testaments were handed out as many people needed spiritual support when heading to war. So in that setting, prayer is absolutely appropriate for some. There are a thousand more things about war that need to be addressed than a few prayer sessions in formation...
"Who's on first?"
"Yes."
So, if god made the big bang like Todd claims, why doesnt he say that in the bible instead of saying he created the earth first then put stars around it, and then says he created Adam and Eve 6000 years ago? Why not say he made the big bang happen then let earth and humans evolve naturally?
Reverend Veritas oh yeah. great apology, lmao, so dumb, thats the kind of shit u tell yourself in order to keep believing?
Reverend Veritas got it! lol
+david maltais who cares what the happy sky god book says?
The bible is allegorical and spiritual, not material and face value.
Hey +Alex Kane, why won't you answer my question?
How is Atheism a religion?
Now I know exactly what Carlin was talking about when he said he's sick of guys named "TODD!!!"
😂🤣
Still watching, almost 2020!
I have a universal hypothesis that she only makes everlasting universes and I'll call her Hillary Wonka. Believe it or you'll be reprocessed and you'll never become an operator. You can't prove I'm wrong or crazy in this secular country.
Surely they come up with the cosmological argument for god and the mathematical argument for god etc etc because there is no real evidence so they have to grasp at straws.
Yes. They have to come up with logical necessities without reference to empirical reality because empirical reality tends to disagree with claims of the divine.
Yeah, we know it, they know it, everyone knows it. Just need to keep faking it and hope it’s all ok
The banana. Answers all life's questions.
That sarcastic remark supposed to be funny?
It’s a fruit. It’s a phone. It’s a gun.
Bananas: what _can’t_ they do?
@@macysondheim What sarcastic remark?
Todd was a fun guy. Here is a point that the hosts didn't adress: He referred to the non-existence of a person before that person was born (or, before he existed) as an example of "nothing". But following that logic, then _everything_ comes from nothing, according to him. If his mantra "from nothing nothing comes" is to carry any weight at all, he should change his definition of "nothing" into something that _never_ precedes existence, rather than _always_, as in his own example.
*****
It seemed to me like he was aware of that. He simply confused the two notions of a conceptual nothing and a physical nothing. What we are referring to when we are talking about what preceded the universe (if such a sentence is even applicable) is the physical "nothing" (or the nothing that, uh... exists), while he described "nothing" as the _absense of a defined something_.
But since even a physical nothing seems to be a contradiction in terms, I don't think the word "nothing" even applies here. It's a fun topic nevertheless.
@@Bonko78I confused the fuck out of my 13-year-old son the other day when going on what he calls a "rant" about how nothing can't exist. 😂😂
LOL!!! "Look at the banana, for example..."
There's many things. The banana for example. lol
[minion voice] BANANA!?!
I am beyond fed up with governmental agencies and/or schools that engage in religious activities. The thought that they are mandatory at a military academy makes me sick to my stomach? Isn't this a violation of the constitution on a couple of fronts?
I would be one of the happiest people in the world if religious activities/words/symbols were prohibited and/or immediately removed from all areas of government - whether county, state or local. When I see things like a prayer breakfast at the White House, I cringe inside. Didn't the founding fathers say that religion and state should be separated? And even if the prayer breakfast is non-denominational, it appears to me that the government is taking a stand that there is a god. Or is that supposedly acceptable because it is non-denominational?
But as an atheist I am very offended by the president - or any government official - engaging in prayer breakfasts, ending public presentations with "God Bless you and God Bless the United States". I am also offended by the words "In god we trust" on all our currency. I am tired of seeing "In god we trust on almost every federal building I have entered. Finally, I am sickened by people in court swearing to tell the truth on a BIBLE!! That is a clear violation of the separation between church and state.
Am I the only one who is so offended by these things? Aren't other atheists also upset? Is there something we can do to change them?
And what does this constant religious presence in our government say to - and mean - for atheists? Will we be provided the same protections under the constitution if we do not accept them?
I would welcome input from other atheists who share my concerns.
Kay Omholt-Montague I share your concerns, but fear not our numbers are growing, and logic and truth will prevail as religion is cast onto the scrap pile of failed human endeavors.
If it helps at all, in court, nobody has to swear on any holy book, you can just raise your hand and swear to tell the truth or whatever is being asked you.
Be still and know that I am a banana saith the Lord...
banana theory - the last resort of the scoundrel and fool! aha ha ha!
This guy sounds like he is talking from a script, and expecting certain responses, and when he doesn't get them, he just keeps going assuming that's what they meant.
He's following the creationist/fundamentalist playbook. If you don't like the question of can't comprehend it, dodge it - preferably by asking another irrelevant question.
11:00 - The correct rebuttal to the caller's statement is that when a person is born, the energy and matter used to exist as something else, and now it exists in a different form - a new baby. The baby didn't come from nothing. It's a shame this wasn't mentioned, because it shuts down this argument entirely.
Katie Egervari Nailed it!
Quantum mechanics is a science where a physicist can explain how something can come from nothing. In quantum mechanics molecules pop in and out of existence.
A bit like god
Like I said, a bit like god
***** You won't find me arguing about there being no evidence for god. If there was we wouldn't have had thousands of years' debate about it.
Your god is fake.
The Hadron collider has proven a number of these "hypothetical"s. Two of the most remarkable ones are the Higgs Boson and particles popping in and out.
15:00 "You are confusing no-thing with nothing!" lol :D
The Forced Prayer type of thing is common in the military!
You are expected to bow your head regardless of if you agree or not!
If you're like me and don't bow, you'd notice there's more soldiers not bowing than you'd think. Next time there's some bs training or change of command in the theater.......just take a look while the Champlain is reciting some prayer that makes no sense.
What did that first guy say?
Banana...therefore existence?
david vitrogen Yes - it would logically follow ............ lol!
david vitrogen My god.... Its all so clear to me no! I finally see! I'm a believer!
ALL GLORY TO ODIN!
"The banana for example....." ANNNNNDDDDD YOURE DONE
The. Banana.
Todd's explanation dealing with his own personal nonexistence prior to his own birth is the most revealing about the tendency for many to presume a created cosmos. What each of us knows is just a mental image of reality built up from interaction with one's environment, starting after the person's 'nonexistence', so the mental image is temporally finite for that person. As social animals, we've developed empathetic abilities to project our minds into other people's minds to facilitate communication; we attempt to put ourselves in the place of others. This projection often extends into nonpersons, objects in our environment that we tend to regard as agents of intent, including the cosmos. How many times do we swear at our non-functioning machines? "God-damned stubborn car won't start!" Hmm.
Of course, we eventually learn that people & stuff existed before we were born. All of that reality is just a set of generally reliable images in our minds, whether through direct sensation or plausible stories that seem reliably connected to our familiar sensations. This projection process leads to regarding our thoughts & imagination as the reality that's external to our bodies, likely the cause of apparent mind-body duality that seemingly distinguishes & extricates our personal identities from our bodies; when in fact, our thoughts, identities & imagination are within our brains, i.e. within our bodies. A decapitated person will die.
Considering that we know we were born, many of us regard the reality of the cosmos to also have been born or created similarly. Ironically, we also tend to regard our minds to have an existence that extends to a past & future beyond our own bodily existences! Obviously, god intended to confuse us with this duality perception in order to subjugate us! God-damned god! ; ]
The caller(todd) is completely delusional and irrational... I do not think that he was a person faking being a [theist]. Perfectly said/done Matt and Jen. ᵔᴥᵔ ★★★★★
Katalyzt
If Matt thinks the Supreme Court was bat shit crazy then, imagine what he thinks after Trump shit on it
Sigh! Todd, Todd, Todd. Assumptive, philosophical bullshit at its finest!
+Alistair Curmudgeon
I think I could audibly hear my brain cells dying of frustration while listening to Todd. I wish I had had monitors connected to my head so that I could have recorded evidence that individual neurons can scream.
Pat Doyle
I'm sorry for you, my friend..I know your pain!
But think for a moment, the pain that the show's hosts must suffer EVERY week!
Philosophical argument can prove, (philosophically), that black is white, and up is down - but in the cold light of reality, only hard, empirical, testable evidence stacks up!
> We kind of already have that.
But we don't have that.
Why can't I give my best friend, my mother, or my cousin 2 times removed, all the legal authority and rights that I would grant my wife? Why not?
Power of attorney, inheritance rights, visitation rights, etc, etc. Why should it be limited to only a single person?
This whole STUPID fight is because the government is involving itself with a RELIGIOUS institution - marriage. There should be contract law and that's IT.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.
Maybe one would call you pseudostitious.
THANKS FOR POSTING THE LINK TO THE THEME SONG!!!
I figured you're so far in the past I'd shout a little louder :p Thanks for the link! I will try and sing this good and cover the song. It's AWESOME! :)
who else believes Jen is actually Tracie in disguise
ImActuallyABanana I bet it tripped you right out when they both hosted a show the same week.
There aren't any gods which appear to exist. I was a Christian for 20 years and my parents sent me to Christian schools since kindergarten. I began to question my faith as I grew older and I turned to my Bible for answers. Becoming more familiar with biblical content resulted in my apostasy. Subsequent conversations with my parents made them question their faith so much that they stopped attending church. Religious beliefs fail miserably when subjected to critical scrutiny.
I can prove there is NO GOD.... Look at this passage: Matthew 21:22 "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."
Now, if you TRULY believe, pray to God/ Jesus and the Holy Spirit to heal someone with Downs Syndrome, Parkinson's Disease or an amputated leg..... See what happens... If the prayer does not get answered, is it because you are not a good Christian? Or, because there is no God?
If anything, you showed that the Christian god isn't real
Freedom 1776 I'm pretty sure that it would be hard to prove that every god isn't real because of how many there are and how broad your knowledge would have to be.
You are right....
Yes, but the person said they can prove god does not exist. Not the Christian god, but just god.
In that quote Jesus means have complete faith that God will do it, not have faith that God exists.
Ugh. People. New explanation for 15:00 - I have a tower of legos we will label 'Bob'. Before I built the tower 'Bob' did not exist. It was a pile of blocks named 'Bill'. Bob did not come from nothing, Bob was built from Bill. That's how people work too, dude.
Loved the shout-out to TheoreticalBullshit. The guy deserves way more attention than he gets, he is truly brilliant.
Yeah, TBS has some great stuff. Love his breakdown of WLC's argument. He doesn't post much anymore. The soap opera he is on must be keeping him busy.
I was Santa in my hometown for over 10 years. My girlfriend was Mrs. Claus and my daughter was an elf. We had a blast playing the parts. And I am a skeptic non believer. Good times!!
they keep using that word banana
Thank you guys for everything you do. Means a lot.
Banana. I win.
"There's many that creates-, like a Banana for example" Yea...THE BANANANANANANANANANA MAAAN!!!!
I love when the caller makes a statement and then they just hang up on them. Hilarious.
“the banana, for example...” “DONE!” 😂
Marriage is a product of culture. You can stay with one person your whole life without giving them a ring and buying all your friends dinner/cake. Marriage should have nothing to do with laws and government at all. The fact that it does has done nothing wasted money as countless politicians have argued about it for decades now.
> I don't think the state recognizes marriage just cause you had a ceremony in a church
> (mine doesn't); you have to do the paperwork for a legal contract that happens to be
> called marriage as well,
I'm not making that claim.
I'm simply saying the government shouldn't recognize marriage.
When my great grandmother got married, she didn't get a license to do it. No bloodwork, nothing. It was purely a religious ceremony. The government wasn't involved in any way. As it should be.
The thing is that your kid may be confused about "who's" right about Santa. But at some point, he'll realize that you didn't lie to him and he'll appreciate and respect you as a parent.
What did "Josh" in Seattle say? I couldn't quite hear him.
So in the state of Colorado, you can get gay married, then blast massive spliffs at the reception, and all of it legal?
I reached a logical conclusion that Todd is annoying
"Im not going to insult your intelligence by pretending that you believe what you just said." Classic
What did the first caller, Josh from Seattle, say that got him hanged up on at point 8:30?
I believe that was a frequent troll-caller they were getting at the time. I'm going to guess that was Matt from Oslo, calling in to say that Matt is fat; he said "I would just like to point out that you are really..." before he was cut off, I'm almost certain that the next word was going to be "fat".
Matt from Oslo called in a load of times under different names and sometimes affecting accents, and present purposely bad and horrible arguments or just scream/yell loudly before being hung up on. Here I recognize the accent and voice right away and am willing to bet that it was him calling in as"Josh from Seattle" to call Matt fat again (I say again because he managed to call Matt fat a few times during his period of calls before being hung up on). I'm convinced that Matt from Oslo is an atheist troll and was just calling up to mess with them, which I recall he admitted to and came clean one one of the aftershows.
If a church doesn't want to do it they don't have to.
But there are churches that are willing to do gay marriage.
"civil unions" are nothing more than separate but equal.
I enjoyed hearing from Parth and his observations.
> Are you absolutely positive that you can't give any of those rights to people,
> even in your will?
Oh, it's POSSIBLE, but it's EXTREMELY expensive, and even after you do all that crap, the contract you've made with your "partner" whomever it may be, can be challeneged in court for it.
That's just BS.
How do I know this - I know people who have attempted it.
Keep the religious people happy with the ceremony - neuter their argument. The government should not recognize "marriage" at all.
this gentleman was in love with his own words and voice. he loved saying "logical", rational" ,basically", "empirically", as if he were actually BEING logical, empirical and rational. One signof his idleness is the redundance of his formula"empirical experience".
(Probably another has something to do with being named Todd, but that is of course more subjective)
Todd is a 2 made from a 1 and a 1.
> but I don't know how that should play into taxes and whatnot.
IT SHOULDN'T.
Why should people get a tax incentive or disincentive to get married? WHY? Can you think of why this is fair, or should be done?
I think it's a pretty simple proposition - keep government out of your personal life entirely.
Matt Dillahunty's favorite line...
"...you don't just get to...."
Man, I really love this show, being a new-ish atheist. I enjoy the talks they have with their viewers (religious or not).
Although I don't see much of an opening for the religious to win a debate, I still commend them on their good nature and drive to find answers for the things they care about. I just wished they would listen to the hosts more and come to understand the mindset that comes to being from being a non-believer.
Lawrence Krauss has a good presentation of "Something from nothing." It's great.
djchubakka It is excellent.
🙈🙉🙊🐒🍌...did he really just say that shit???!😂
American Atheists, apply a sharpie to the phrase "In God We Trust" on all of your dollar bills when you find yourself bored enough to do so. With enough bills fixed, we may get someone's attention who may remove the phrase.
Okay, I completely accept (and am often unhappy with) the religious infection of the US in comparison to Western Europe, Japan, Australia, and the like. But… India? More religiously tolerant than the US? Atheists have been murdered in India. They get attacked by mobs. Women get stoned for being raped by command of the local religious leaders. I understand that this might only be in certain “rural” areas, but this doesn't generally happen in the USA.
And it's also institutional. My father went to India on a business trip a few years ago: Guess what? He had to fill out his “religion” on the visa application. The choices were Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Other. (When he chose Other, the travel adviser sent it back, telling him it was a bad idea to pick that. So he ended up saying he was Christian, even though he's an atheist of Jewish decent.) So, yeah. Totally more tolerant than the US. Where's the evidence for this claim?
"Jen you'll have to forgive me I cant remember if your the one with dirty blonde hair" She looked less than pleased at that comment lol.
although we now kno todd is a troll, its still funny as hell listening to the conversation xD