To everyone complaining that the game is being played digitally, go look up how many pro players have been suspected of and confirmed caught cheating. Can't cheat in Arena. Sucks to suck, deal with it.
MC isn't an accurate representation of standard. There's a limited field, and that makes anti-metagame decks especially powerful because you're far less likely to run into unexpected brews. Simic Flash was built specifically to prey on Jeskai Fires, and it happened to be generally good because there were virtually no aggro decks (again, because of the limited field). That's also the reason that Flash hasn't been putting up big results in larger tournaments.
@@iananddani Not discontinue There are still tournaments They just don't cover those anymore cause they wanna make MTG an e-sport to get money from sponsors
@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 yeah true Arena brought many new players who didn't even knew what MTG was It's much more accesable and cheaper to play Still theres that community feeling when you go to FNM and that's why I think they should still cover paper tournaments To incentivise FNM attendace and community spirit the new "arena players" don't know about
@@danielalexandre89 As an almost exclusively cardboard player I know what you mean and I agree wholeheartedly. I just wouldn't want to miss the success that arena brought to magic.
@@antonfiliplovric5412 Well you can always sideboard Shifting Ceratops. We UW control mages have to hope to hit Teferi early against that flash deck or just tap out.
Last thing the game needs is more bans. If magic like other card games didnt rely on paper too. They could just nerf things instead of ban. With oko they could have just increased his cost and made his turn into elk be -1 or -2.
Rule Question: If I cast sorcerous spyglass, and it resolves; can I choose "Your Mother"? Or do I have to name a card? From what I understand you do what is possible, on a card until it's not possible, right? (Reading about Tennis History, gamesmanship yo, what sport of Kings is about at least, confused who this game is for)
No. It has to be a valid card name (e.g. tokens are not valid targets either, unless they have same name as a card). However, "Wort, the Raidmother" would be ok, which is already quite close to your mother.
@@tonysmith9905 Oven is the only sacrifice tool for his deck, that means shutdown oven breaks the combo. And both decks don't have many powerful creatures or/and game ending ways, so it's more like win by card advantages, that's saying shutdown oven giving a 50% chance at least.
@@kingjester5140 Except that saccing food tokens still procs Korvold and Devil. That's how he won vs spyglass. Sure it's tougher, but doesn't mean he's going to lose. And the deck even has 2/3 brontodons maindecked. You know for sure he's not going to side them out.
Planeswalkers and mythic rare cards....the scourge of MTG. Giving so much power to a single card ruins many otherwise exciting games. Why not introduce ultra-mythical-rare cards that are even stronger ;-)
@@jonathanstudentkit it's alright in true esports cause that's what the players are known by from the time they start in the lower leagues, not for mtg
@@powers_media it is bad interactions though. The cat oven pretty much monopolizes the time while the other player does nothing and it really isn't fun to play against, and getting people engaged in matches is the point. It's no oko for sure though.
Flash decks(izzet or semic) imo are just really good at beating fire decks. Otherwise they are pretty meh. Guess Brad made a poor meta game call, fires deck got smacked this tournament despite being called the best deck.
@@jackgarlick4449 Not as good as he'd like. As much as I know flash decks are designed to beat Fires deck and very mediocre at everything else even autolose to some. With Fire decks got killed off mostly at day1, and I remember there's only 2 fire deck at top8 and he had 3 adventure decks and 2 sac decks which are very very bad matchups for him, it is very impressive for him to reach all the way to the finals.
Arena matches make for terrible coverage. I am watching the turns and we are something like five turns in before anyone actually talks about what is happening in the game.
@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 Also i don't need pay 500 dolars for a competitive tier 1 deck, and can still make as many fun janky decks with expensive rares or mythics cards, dont forget about that
@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 oh, where are you from? In Brazil just for the teferis I must pay about 250 dollars, to be truthfull, I stopped searching for card values after that, but IAM pretty sure the lands won't be cheaper than 150 bucks..(I can always curve on basics anyways lol) anyways, what I mean is that here in Brazil cards are expensive af:/
Same here. This kind of garbage is tailor made for new players who don't even understand the game. It shows what they think about the dedicated fan base.
I dont like to watch arena matches.... I prefer to watch real interraction.... Mtg designed to be on paper so that you can compete and have fun with others
Arena is for practice for me to play paper. I like playing Paper Magic since it's way more fun to see your opponent's face to face and see them be shocked when they lose
I'm convinced it's designed for people who don't actually know how to play. The 'pros ' are a proxy to get sponsors. They don't give a shit about real magic.
So what, does pro paper magic not exist anymore? The Pro Tour was much more enjoyable. I'm going to go watch Pro Tour Khans of Tarkir to reminisce. Tell me when this esport nonsense ever ends.
This tournament system, wether its fair or not is soooo lame to watch. Ouuh if he wins one 3 game match he wins.. How tense. Its absolute garbage tv and sething has to change to at least keep me interested
@@drkspawn32 I enjoy watching these matches: I'm not sure what is considered boring about them other than the part at the end where he knew he lost and just sat there waiting to time out.
@@mrlescure I only watch these to see what the pros play. But their decks are just boring. The fun decks dont have a high win rate.Watching them play is really boring and not interesting the least. The commentary is very meh. But it all boils down to preference.
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To everyone complaining that the game is being played digitally, go look up how many pro players have been suspected of and confirmed caught cheating. Can't cheat in Arena. Sucks to suck, deal with it.
@Amir Imran It's because people just don't like change. That's it.
i like playing on paper more, but for watching this is a lot more convinient. plus, no cheating possible is great.
healthy Standard when your finals list has maindeck Mystical Dispute + Aether Gusts
MC isn't an accurate representation of standard. There's a limited field, and that makes anti-metagame decks especially powerful because you're far less likely to run into unexpected brews. Simic Flash was built specifically to prey on Jeskai Fires, and it happened to be generally good because there were virtually no aggro decks (again, because of the limited field). That's also the reason that Flash hasn't been putting up big results in larger tournaments.
quality gameplay here. flooding to show the real mtg
I miss the old Pro Tour... I miss cardboard crack...
Tito Santos did they discountinue cardboard pro tour? I can’t get into this either
@@iananddani Not discontinue
There are still tournaments
They just don't cover those anymore cause they wanna make MTG an e-sport to get money from sponsors
@@danielalexandre89 yeah, because MTG Arena viewer counts are much higher than cardboard viewer counts. And its easier to follow along.
@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 yeah true
Arena brought many new players who didn't even knew what MTG was
It's much more accesable and cheaper to play
Still theres that community feeling when you go to FNM and that's why I think they should still cover paper tournaments
To incentivise FNM attendace and community spirit the new "arena players" don't know about
@@danielalexandre89 As an almost exclusively cardboard player I know what you mean and I agree wholeheartedly. I just wouldn't want to miss the success that arena brought to magic.
I can't help but dislike this meta. Cats in the oven would be ok, but with Trail of Crumbs its too much.
Maybe if cleansing nova would be legal in standard, that would make things much more balanced...
After a few Arena games today, UW control with 3x Karn in maindeck and 2x Spyglass in sideboard seems to do the job :)
@@geekstar2937 Against Nissa into krasis and 646567444778 counters it is fair I would say.
@@antonfiliplovric5412 Well you can always sideboard Shifting Ceratops. We UW control mages have to hope to hit Teferi early against that flash deck or just tap out.
I agree, except the cats in the oven is too much for me. Simple infinite combos are boring and also f*cking annoying.
I played standard for a while... until i reached the age of reason. Now , i play legacy.
17:50 Why he didnt drop Island, cast Nissa and use 2 lands for attackers ? 1 land got blocked but dealt 3 dmg to opp.
I was thinking the same thing.
cat / oven => absolutely idiot gameplay, no interaction, chaim block, no mana used, gain life, ping, make coffee... need a ban
Last thing the game needs is more bans. If magic like other card games didnt rely on paper too. They could just nerf things instead of ban. With oko they could have just increased his cost and made his turn into elk be -1 or -2.
oven decks aren't that good. no ban is required really
@@schiffin That's why anybody who wants to win a tournament play a deck with that shitty combo...
yes i agree, pls ban that shit wotc. boring as hell to play against
Thats why you have leyline of void or others grave hate.
Rule Question: If I cast sorcerous spyglass, and it resolves; can I choose "Your Mother"? Or do I have to name a card? From what I understand you do what is possible, on a card until it's not possible, right? (Reading about Tennis History, gamesmanship yo, what sport of Kings is about at least, confused who this game is for)
No. It has to be a valid card name (e.g. tokens are not valid targets either, unless they have same name as a card). However, "Wort, the Raidmother" would be ok, which is already quite close to your mother.
or [goblin matron] which is equally close to your mom
Biowaste blob is a better insult
How do you get in to these tournaments? Or invited
Top 1200 Mythic Rare Rank in standard at the end of the season
Is this arena
brad's sideboard should have been more equipped to deal with this deck, i play izzet flash and my sideboard exists for this catfood nonsense
Salty
@@RoninRiotz wut
Decks with counterspells and burn spells getting annoyed by cat decks. Lol
@@RoninRiotz like i said, im well prerpared for the catfood, if mtg annoys you, you should quit
Yeah I always have a cry of the carnarium ready to go in my sideboard.
Destroys the complete Meta....Cat & Oven
It looks like an answer-finding & combo-pingdown deck, I guess if he drew spyglass early it could be onesided.
Not really. Piotr had his ovens spyglassed in an early match and still won quite handily.
@@tonysmith9905 Oven is the only sacrifice tool for his deck, that means shutdown oven breaks the combo. And both decks don't have many powerful creatures or/and game ending ways, so it's more like win by card advantages, that's saying shutdown oven giving a 50% chance at least.
@@kingjester5140 Except that saccing food tokens still procs Korvold and Devil. That's how he won vs spyglass. Sure it's tougher, but doesn't mean he's going to lose. And the deck even has 2/3 brontodons maindecked. You know for sure he's not going to side them out.
Nice Pic.
rly like this simic counter deck
its fun
Yeah I just met it online. It's really annoying to play against. But as it shows, it loses to cat oven. So maybe in bo3 with the correct sideboard....
This is exactly why WoTC needs to implement a time limit cap for each turn.
Paper Magic and people in front of each other is miles Better than fancy animations and soundbites that makes listening to commentary waaaaay worse.
in the last match i think Brad can continue using Idra...
Planeswalkers and mythic rare cards....the scourge of MTG. Giving so much power to a single card ruins many otherwise exciting games. Why not introduce ultra-mythical-rare cards that are even stronger ;-)
Great final! Glad to be able to play magic again but much better on PC
is paper dying?
Oh yeah. Wotc is selling in an attempt to make more money from new players/sponserships.
Using their in game names is so cringe worthy...brad Nelson and piotr glogowski is a lot more memorable as it's the name they use in all other formats
yeah it's for elementary school kids who still think it's cool...
@@jonathanstudentkit it's alright in true esports cause that's what the players are known by from the time they start in the lower leagues, not for mtg
report for roping 😂
Cat + oven is probably one of the most stupid combos in this game.
"ainnn, it has counters". So many counters that it has won
That cat food kind of play is why I quit magic
I wouldn't say it's the most broken. I've done well against this metric with extra removals
@@powers_media it is bad interactions though. The cat oven pretty much monopolizes the time while the other player does nothing and it really isn't fun to play against, and getting people engaged in matches is the point.
It's no oko for sure though.
Not overpowered, indeed. But is really, really boring tô play. And not only against. I tried this deck, and quit playing.
Muy triste las finales de Magic arena, "oh!!! Vuelve estar en el juego!!! Por robar a nisa" muy triste
Flash decks(izzet or semic) imo are just really good at beating fire decks. Otherwise they are pretty meh. Guess Brad made a poor meta game call, fires deck got smacked this tournament despite being called the best deck.
You're saying he made a "poor meta call" when he made it all the way to the finals...?
@@jackgarlick4449 Not as good as he'd like. As much as I know flash decks are designed to beat Fires deck and very mediocre at everything else even autolose to some. With Fire decks got killed off mostly at day1, and I remember there's only 2 fire deck at top8 and he had 3 adventure decks and 2 sac decks which are very very bad matchups for him, it is very impressive for him to reach all the way to the finals.
@@ArmoredNeko flash was a deck before fires was even printed.
@@nickeliseman9472 Well Flash is always a deck, at least for as long as I can remember. I was trying to keep a youtube comment short.
I abhor cat oven decks. Gyruda quickly taking the cake as most irritating though.
SIGN ME UP!!!
Arena matches make for terrible coverage. I am watching the turns and we are something like five turns in before anyone actually talks about what is happening in the game.
11:56 instead of rage quitting, he could have activated Vantress ability to scry 2. What a poser
sou do Brasil e gosto de magic the gathering
E o Kiko?!?!
I hate that a real life card is now being played on PC in front of each of other rather than how it should be.
@Grant Olszewski I am aware of that. I do not like how the game is handling its digital tournouments, which is what my comment was referring to.
@@loganbrown7164 youre not making any sense. how the f do you handle a digital tournament without pc's???
Oh my goddd the anounoers are sooo annoying why does the game need fucking anounouserS?????
Absolutely garbage meta.
They need to play with paper cards, that was better.
Also the sound effects make this childish
Better in terms of what? Arena Gameplay leads to higher viewer counts and is easier to follow along for newer players.
@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 Also i don't need pay 500 dolars for a competitive tier 1 deck, and can still make as many fun janky decks with expensive rares or mythics cards, dont forget about that
@@Hamurowful standard is more around 100-300 Dollar (with a few outliers) depending on your archetype but yes, that too.
@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 oh, where are you from? In Brazil just for the teferis I must pay about 250 dollars, to be truthfull, I stopped searching for card values after that, but IAM pretty sure the lands won't be cheaper than 150 bucks..(I can always curve on basics anyways lol) anyways, what I mean is that here in Brazil cards are expensive af:/
BORING!!!!!
I STILL GO FOR PAPER MTG
Ditto. This is depressing.
So a boring and stupid Deck.. i cant see it...
I absolutely HATE watching MTG Arena, I miss the old Pro Tours.
Same here. This kind of garbage is tailor made for new players who don't even understand the game. It shows what they think about the dedicated fan base.
god arena sucks go back to paper
Seriously.
the doo
I dont like to watch arena matches.... I prefer to watch real interraction.... Mtg designed to be on paper so that you can compete and have fun with others
then dont watch it, dafuq?
Arena is for practice for me to play paper. I like playing Paper Magic since it's way more fun to see your opponent's face to face and see them be shocked when they lose
I'm convinced it's designed for people who don't actually know how to play. The 'pros ' are a proxy to get sponsors. They don't give a shit about real magic.
flash decks deserve to lose
Ah why?
cat decks deserve to lose
More creative and less lame than 1) any full counter deck, 2) cat decks.
At what cost ? Cat deck ?
he's not playing a flash deck though. it's more like a mix.
So what, does pro paper magic not exist anymore? The Pro Tour was much more enjoyable. I'm going to go watch Pro Tour Khans of Tarkir to reminisce. Tell me when this esport nonsense ever ends.
lets hope esports never ends.
This tournament system, wether its fair or not is soooo lame to watch. Ouuh if he wins one 3 game match he wins.. How tense. Its absolute garbage tv and sething has to change to at least keep me interested
You mean one match? Because he won two games.
@@mrlescure But he has a point. Watching these matches are boring. Its far more interesting watching youtubers play.
@@mrlescure there you go edited it. although it changes absolutely nothing to my point
@@drkspawn32 I enjoy watching these matches: I'm not sure what is considered boring about them other than the part at the end where he knew he lost and just sat there waiting to time out.
@@mrlescure I only watch these to see what the pros play. But their decks are just boring. The fun decks dont have a high win rate.Watching them play is really boring and not interesting the least. The commentary is very meh. But it all boils down to preference.