Anyone who actually thinks for themselves would have seen it. But the smash community dog piles and insults and shames anyone with different opinions tbh
I always felt Toon Link had the potential to swing at the same level as young Link... but unlike the latter who had Tweek once long ago, Toon Link never got someone on the level of Lv1 to prove it.
Smash ultimate has barely reached its its full potential and the Japanese scene is growing and showing. This is really hype for the ultimate and I hope we will see more full potential performances from all characters. Thank you Japan 🇯🇵
@@TreebeardXIV It's just a theory, but a lot of NA thinks Sonic and steve have killed the game, and it demotivates a lot of the player base to keep on getting better. NA is very much guided by tier lists as well, and they are immediately convinced that mid tiers and low tiers are unviable. Japan talks less and keeps up the grind, no matter how bad their characters. This is why you see some people thinking twice about labeling Banjo, DK, and Toon link low tiers. Any character is viable if you put in the work. NA doesn't believe that.
@@ragames7320while I completely agree with you, this in particular only applies in Ultimate . In most fighting games, this does not apply . Usually, the meta is the meta for a reason
14:42 im not sure why sparg0 decided to reset neutral when he has spawn advantage vs 98% toon link. I think the entire momentum would have shifted had he decided to push his advantage. Would he have won? Not sure, but I certainly don’t think he made the right call here
@@danielsmith5032 yeah cuz tinks up air has a very long lasting hitbox. It has been something you should never do since the dawn of time, parrying long lasting attacks.
@@iluminaciondelcielo.995 “Sparg0 simply did not play well.” Yeah, the current *#2* player in the world “did not play well”. Sure, buddy. Sparg0 played good, he just got outplayed. Keep coping.
@@Valentinesdayghost Solo soy honesto. Toon Link es mal personaje, no tiene nada roto en sus movimientos. Literalmente su mejor herramienta es su ftilt. El personaje no mata y específicamente contra Cloud tiene un mal MU. Cómo dije, sencillamente Sparg0 no jugó bien mientras que Lv.1 jugó lo más óptimo posible.
Not really. Steve would just kill you if he landed an upair. Still a mid tier combo. Lots of good characters have equivalent or better combos. But toon link is def underrated. He has so much other stuff that allows him to get these combos off or change the play style rapidly
![DELTA#8[LTOP12] Hurt(スネーク) VS Lv.1(トゥーンリンク) #スマブラSP](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/D6grlBwWWSc/mqdefault.jpg)
![DELTA#8[LTOP12] Hurt(スネーク) VS Lv.1(トゥーンリンク) #スマブラSP](/img/tr.png)
![DELTA#8[WTOP24] Zomba(ロボット) VS らる(ルイージ) #スマブラSP](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FIIMC4mOa3Q/mqdefault.jpg)
ライブで見てた時の興奮やばかった
1:07
i really just watched toon link's dagger of a sword out range cloud's buster sword
It's a crazy up-air. It feels like it is not long enough, but then it will randomly beat out moves that look too dangerous.
It even beats bowser down air
当時とは違うかもだけど後悔しないのはクラウドって考えのSparg0に初対戦でホムヒカ出させたミーヤーってすごかったんやな
Lv1 is such an amazing player. Crazy that Japan feels like a new breed
😂 or they just don't cry about characters and actually grind
@@thatdude3977i mean when i was there plenty cried about characters 😅. They just also grind
@@darktouchstudios8114Not as much as America cries and marginalizes characters until they beat one of their top players, go figure
Amazing spammer*
@@caius9162 Not as much as the Cloud player spamming safe aerials and up B OoS
Best TL in the world!
熱すぎる…。トゥーンリンク好きの誇りです。
すごい！
It is crazy that Lv.1 eliminated 2 top 5 players back to back to make it to top 8 at Delta
you can see bassmage shocked face at the end lol
15:23 - Watch this, Lis. You can actually pinpoint the second when his heart rips in half.
15:24 - Aaaand... NOW.
What an insane set man… who knew toon link had any viability in 2024
Lv.1 has shown that Toon Link is no where near low tier. Even before the Sparg0 win, he's won tournaments over Yoshidora before.
@@RayBcv1030 People were saying Tink was low tier? lol
Anyone who actually thinks for themselves would have seen it. But the smash community dog piles and insults and shames anyone with different opinions tbh
@@thatdude3977 Ain't that the truth.
I'm whiling to hear the points, though it's probably not gonna change many minds. lol
@@MrGameguyCToon Link de hecho es low tier.
Por qué crees que nadie lo juega?
I always felt Toon Link had the potential to swing at the same level as young Link... but unlike the latter who had Tweek once long ago, Toon Link never got someone on the level of Lv1 to prove it.
Smash ultimate has barely reached its its full potential and the Japanese scene is growing and showing. This is really hype for the ultimate and I hope we will see more full potential performances from all characters. Thank you Japan 🇯🇵
Exactly. The doomer mindset of NA pales in comparison to the optimistic mindset of JP.
@@ragames7320What you said makes zero sense. What exactly does Doomerism have to do with the state of the game?
@@TreebeardXIV It's just a theory, but a lot of NA thinks Sonic and steve have killed the game, and it demotivates a lot of the player base to keep on getting better. NA is very much guided by tier lists as well, and they are immediately convinced that mid tiers and low tiers are unviable. Japan talks less and keeps up the grind, no matter how bad their characters. This is why you see some people thinking twice about labeling Banjo, DK, and Toon link low tiers. Any character is viable if you put in the work. NA doesn't believe that.
The game has been out for a LONG time. We need something else
@@ragames7320while I completely agree with you, this in particular only applies in Ultimate . In most fighting games, this does not apply . Usually, the meta is the meta for a reason
14:42 im not sure why sparg0 decided to reset neutral when he has spawn advantage vs 98% toon link. I think the entire momentum would have shifted had he decided to push his advantage. Would he have won? Not sure, but I certainly don’t think he made the right call here
There’s no way this is not the best Toon Link in the world.
内容関係ないけどサムネのトゥーンの手どうなっとん！？
ブメ投げたあとのデフォルメされたモーションなんかな？
手首の曲がり方大袈裟すぎ笑
Breaking your hand is proper throwing form
@@CAMMY-SKYブーメラン投げた後って曲がり方こんなもんじゃない？
sparg0の笑顔のフィストバンプから笑顔消えた瞬間恐怖感じた
Oh boy, what a set, good job by the Japanese player, respect 🫡
Qué pasó bro. No hay tos, ahora sabemos que su modo de juego no es sólo combos y memoria muscular, hay una estrategia distinta a occidente
ワシはこの風が欲しかったのかもしれぬ
Nah lvl 1 was mind controlling Spargo hard asf lol. Very surprised he stayed Cloud. Lvl 1 with that evil smile at the beginning was epic 😈.
見てて分かると思うけど全然相性がトリンに傾いてるとは思えない。固め辛いし、爆弾とか取られながらDAとか空後食らって防御にならんし、近距離は剣のリーチ違う
トリン使ってクラウドキツいんだけど、よく捌ききって勝ったなぁ
レベさん上手すぎです
いやメイト相性表でもトリン側微有利だし、固めも近距離もまずトリン側が弾あってリーチも負けてんのにその間合いに入ってんのが努力不足だし、爆弾取られるなんて全キャラ同じやん。クラウド側は弾辛いし明らか不利。復帰の上Bにトリンの横強が刺さるし。
@@名無し-k6t
言いたいことは分かるしクラウド側がしんどいのも分かるけど
僕が上手いクラウド使いにやられてキツいことをかわしたり、捌いたりしてるのは間違いなくて、そうならないように工夫しているのを感じるのそこは間違いなくてプレイヤーの対策だと思いますよ
あんなにガードすり減ってもかわしきった上手さを見ても下手に怖がって飛び道具投げまくったり、むやみに飛んだりしなかった証拠にはなるかと爆弾も飛んで下に投げたり、上に投げたり横にそのまま投げるケースはほぼなかった
それが功を奏した場合はキャラパワーとは言えないかと
それに飛び道具はガードを崩す力がありません、適切な距離を取り防御だけに気を遣えば、プロなら逃げ続けられると思います。
実際トリンの掴みの発生遅すぎて飛び道具嫌がって固まってる掴んでやろうなんて簡単に行くもんじゃなかったです。レベさんが掴み通してるとろも虚をついたり、絶妙なリーチ差の対応だったり、着地狩りだったり、凄くプレイヤースキルの詰まった瞬間に見えます
プレイヤースキルで克服してるのはキャラ相性とは言えないのでは
逆にクラウド側がトリン専用にしてた対策はどういうところでしたか？僕はクラウド側の視点は持ってないです。VIP行かせたぐらいで全然使えません。
あと、言わせてもらうとオフ大会にオンラインのキャラ相性持ってくるのは良くないかと
爆弾キャッチだけに焦点を当てるならオンラインではなんとなく投げてきそうとタイミングで読みでする所も多いと思います。辛うじて目押しもどうかと言うところ
オフだとその精度は段違いだと思います。
それに爆弾キャッチしたがら攻撃できるを全キャラに例えてますが、取りながら攻撃する回転率はクラウド優秀ですよ。オンでさえ適当に空後押し付けてるだけで成功しちゃうくらいです。
別に言い争いをしたいわけじゃないですしどちらが有利なんて言ってないです。
僕は単純にやっててキツいことをやりきったプレイヤーを褒めただけです
@@名無し-k6tメイト相性表とか全然レート高くない人のデータも含んでるから参考にならんよ
メイト相性表とか見たらキャラランクNO.1 ダクハンになるよみたいなこと言うつもりだったんだけどそもそもメイト相性表見てもクラウド側微有利で笑っちゃった
そんな馬鹿なと思ってスマアナ見たら、トリン側でもクラウド側でもクラウドが有利やんけww
How do you tether with a bomb in hand like at 1:02?
Wtf
you use the same button
if youre in range of the tether grab it will do the tether instead of z dropping the bomb
He tried to parry that upper at the end, unfortunate
3-1 tho
A very bad decision by him there
@@danielsmith5032 yeah cuz tinks up air has a very long lasting hitbox. It has been something you should never do since the dawn of time, parrying long lasting attacks.
Level 1 bonus exp to Level 5
リベンジしたな
Lv1って名前クソかっこいいな
Japan is just broken. Sparg0 got absolutely bodied.
海外のコメント翻訳してみて気づいたんだけど、トリンの略し方みんなティンク(tink )なんや…
Toonlink is a better character than most of us have realized 😮
No, el personaje apesta.
Este MU lo gana Cloud por mucho. Sencillamente Sparg0 no jugó bien
@@iluminaciondelcielo.995Cope
@@iluminaciondelcielo.995he didn't say toon link is better than cloud. He said toon link is better than we thought. He was speaking in general terms
@@iluminaciondelcielo.995 “Sparg0 simply did not play well.” Yeah, the current *#2* player in the world “did not play well”. Sure, buddy. Sparg0 played good, he just got outplayed. Keep coping.
@@Valentinesdayghost Solo soy honesto. Toon Link es mal personaje, no tiene nada roto en sus movimientos. Literalmente su mejor herramienta es su ftilt.
El personaje no mata y específicamente contra Cloud tiene un mal MU.
Cómo dije, sencillamente Sparg0 no jugó bien mientras que Lv.1 jugó lo más óptimo posible.
Up tilt up air is a crazy confirm
Not really.
Steve would just kill you if he landed an upair. Still a mid tier combo. Lots of good characters have equivalent or better combos.
But toon link is def underrated. He has so much other stuff that allows him to get these combos off or change the play style rapidly
@@ZDY66666man shut up, you act like you're the one who beat spargo 😂
Tons of characters have uptilt-upair confirms.
スパーゴって結構こけるよな
めっちゃ強いのが大前提だけど
まあクラウドやしな。
相手の動きを読みきらんと強みを押し付けれないキャラだし、どっかで噛み合い悪くなったらこける。
逆にクラウドで今まで勝ててるのが不思議で仕方ないもんなー
玉キャラはホムヒカが良さそう
解説全無視の感想でおもろい
評論家
Lvl. 1000
Mhm
The Americans getting absolutely bodied
アメリカ人とは誰のことを指しますか？
雨飴解説いい味だしてる、きくざか実況は言わずもがな
もしかして、Sparg0さんって飛び道具を持ってるキャラ苦手かな？HurtさんとかYauraさんに負けてるから。
クラウドってキャラが機動力とリーチで間合い外から理不尽を押し付けるキャラだからね
間合いの外から攻撃できるキャラに対しては得意の戦法が出来ないから五分以上取られてやられる
それもあるし、海外に強いトリン使いがいないから、動きを知らないのもある
まあそのヤウラさんにはホムヒカでストレート勝ちしたんだがな
やっぱりクラウドのほうに問題あるわ
@@アルフォート-e1cどういうこと？w
@@アルフォート-e1c単純な比較にはならないけどスマメイトの相性表だったら有利上からピクオリしずえ村人ゼルダみたいに続いていってるし、そもそも足早くて空中機動高いでそんな飛び道具きつくない。
もうクラウドで勝つのは無理なのかなーみんな対策して強くなってきてるし、何よりクラウドの復帰が見ててつらい。これ明らかに致命的な弱点とも言えるよね…
Cloud counterplay is very common but it's not that bad. Cloud is still very good
Cloud gana el MU contra Toon Link.
De hecho es probablemente el MU más difícil de Toon Link.
レベルワン なんか持ってる？😂
Bro whooped spargo lol
With tink no less lol
He just can't pull ahead
Damn I guess Japan is broken
FUCK YEAH TOON LINK
ヤウラにはホムヒカで勝ったし、やっぱホムヒカ出してたらスパーゴ勝ってたな。クラウド弾キャラ不利なのに良く接戦できるよなぁ、、
サムスクラウドすぱーごクラウド五分でもなく有利に出してるから対策の差だと思う
@@shion5075その相性表出したの昔だし他の最上位も弾ダルい言ってるから賛否ありだけどな