Inside a heated shower head. (suicide shower)

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
  • This device is apparently quite common in countries where electrical standards are more relaxed and the climate is a bit milder. It's basically a chunky shower head that has a heater built into it. If you do a search for suicide shower on the Internet you'll find various pictures and videos of these things installed badly.
    If you do find one of these in your travels then be very aware that there are often badly insulated mains voltage connections in the vicinity of the unit, possibly right next to a metal tap. Some have an earthing/grounding facility, but this may not be attached, or if it is it may not be electrically intact.
    If you get too close to the shower head in use you may get an electric shock conducted through the water. This is made a bit more awkward by the fact these units are generally mounted quite low down.
    The only safe way to use these is to either ascertain if they have been installed safely or use them to fill a bucket with warm water and then wash yourself down with that. These things are truly worthy of the title deathtrap.
    I'm not sure if this particular unit would be usable with an RCD or GFCI since there is a short water-filled path between bare live metalwork and a strategically placed earth wire.
    This is another product I'm not providing a link to!
    However, you can shower me with electrified dollars at my Patreon page if you wish.. / bigclive
    Here's a nice video link to some "ingenious" repairs and bath heating technology.
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  • @Razor2048
    @Razor2048 8 лет назад +733

    The non grounded will be better as it will make the shower more refreshing. It will energize you while you get clean (better than a cup of coffee).

    • @ThumpertTheFascistCottontail
      @ThumpertTheFascistCottontail 8 лет назад +65

      +Razor2048
      That's a hell of a way to wake up in the morning :/

    • @thegougy
      @thegougy 8 лет назад +17

      +gamerathebrave everybody needs a morning kick sometimes :))

    • @tailsdollblack9340
      @tailsdollblack9340 8 лет назад +11

      +Razor2048 energize is a understatement D:

    • @tauwilltriumph
      @tauwilltriumph 8 лет назад

      +john smith LOL

    • @keenanleetodd
      @keenanleetodd 8 лет назад +1

      +Razor2048 You could shower with coffee. BAMMMM I'm awake.

  • @kevito666
    @kevito666 7 лет назад +531

    When I moved into my house in Texas, I would notice that in the shower I would have this funny feeling over my skin when I would touch the water controls or stand on the drain grate while taking a shower. I first thought it was just a mild allergic reaction to the water supply (I've lived in places before where some of the minerals/chemicals in the water were allergens). When I asked around the community and found that no one else had this problem, I started to investigate.
    The discovery occurred when I decided to check for stray AC voltage between the electrical socket and the neutral and ground of the supply socket in the bathroom. I found there was 30VAC going to neutral and ground from the drain grate, drain head, and water controls. I had the power company come out and disconnect the mains supply to my house at the pole outside, and checked again. There was still 30VAC. I now will say that I live across the street from a substation.
    Whatever I had said must have concerned the power company because over the next few days they began replacing insulators on the poles near my house and digging up and installing new, longer grounds in the substation lot. They did quite a lot of work over that week and after they were done I checked up on the power situation in the shower. The shower was still 'live' but the voltage had reduced to 8-10VAC, which I could no longer feel when taking a shower. I didn't live there much longer after, so I didn't worry about it too much especially since I didn't feel anything any longer.
    Just thought I'd share this with you as this video reminded me of that event.

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  7 лет назад +125

      In the UK there is a requirement to equipotential bond adjacent metalwork in areas like bathrooms and kitchens to prevent any potential difference occurring between metalwork like that.

    • @kevito666
      @kevito666 7 лет назад +49

      Ah, in the USA I found they were not nearly as proactive for electrical safety as in my home in Canada. I wonder how much the difference in mains voltage makes in safety design considerations, since in the USA and Canada, are sitting at half the UK mains potential for the standard electric supply.
      I still wonder what the ultimate cause was for such a voltage to be present in the shower...? A bad ground in the substation? Current loops through my old piping? Bizarre distribution equipment fault? I'll likely never know now... but at least I lived to tell the tale.

    • @elijahgallagher2646
      @elijahgallagher2646 7 лет назад +3

      cool_ohm f

    • @JaneSable
      @JaneSable 7 лет назад +18

      Guess you could say that you helped them make an...electrifying revelation?

    • @dkafsky
      @dkafsky 7 лет назад +43

      cool_ohm Being disconnected from grid & getting voltage at shower you are getting a induced voltage from the power station. There is an electromagnetic field cutting the planes of your metal plumbing. A gauss meter can verify & measure. There's apps for that. Run a fence or wire paralell near a high voltage line
      & get free power possible.

  • @viniciusvbf22
    @viniciusvbf22 3 года назад +70

    Yeah, another crazy Brazilian here. As a kid, I used to disassembly these shower heads just for fun. I've used many of worse quality than this one that Big Clive reviewed on this video. It's relatively safe to use, as many other mentioned here. I've never heard of any serious problems with it, just minor shock sensations on some *very* bad installations. I mean, "the live wire touching the metal pipe leading to the metal shower head" type of bad installations. Other than that, I consider these perfectly safe. And it's not just me saying it - it's statistics. Almost every home in Brazil has one of those units working, in either 127v or 220v. Many of these are poorly installed. In 2019, ~700 people were killed by electric shocks in Brazil. Of those, 34,5% happened at home (let's say, 300 cases). I couldn't find how much of these accidents were actually by people showering, but let's say it's 20%. That would give us 60 cases per year, which may seem high, but mind you: our population is about 210 million. We have, on average, 110 people being struck by a lightning every year. ElectroBOOM has a follow-up video on his own video about this type of shower head that is worth watching.
    ruclips.net/video/06w3-l1AzFk/видео.html

    • @voidseeker4394
      @voidseeker4394 Год назад +10

      That logic is flawed, by the way. Those 60 cases are not just statistics, they are people, someone's loved ones. And unlike lightning strikes, they are 100% preventable by safety measures.

    • @viniciusvbf22
      @viniciusvbf22 Год назад +5

      Ah, yeah, I know, but, OTOH, we don't have the numbers from other countries to compare (or do we?), so your argument is 100% valid, but still fallacious like mine. If we're going strictly on logic, the data I found wasn't specific to shower shocks. Where's your data to support your logic? It may not exist...

    • @voidseeker4394
      @voidseeker4394 Год назад

      @@viniciusvbf22 well, i based my point exclusively on logic, not statistics. If harm can be prevented, effort should be put into doing so, not dismissing it because it is insignificant due to statistics. Or else it is just sarcificing lifes for the money/effort, and i'm not a fan of that.

    • @viniciusvbf22
      @viniciusvbf22 Год назад +7

      @@voidseeker4394 you don't get my point, but it's OK. You don't have any proof that it's insignificant due to statistics, or even if harm would be prevented otherwise, because, guess what? You don't have data to prove it. As far as we both know and have data to prove, using showers as this is as safe as any other. Your claim is based solely on what you think, which is illogical.

    • @EVPaddy
      @EVPaddy Год назад

      @@voidseeker4394 go live in a country that uses those showers and you’ll find out that those are the least of your problems. Traffic alone is much more likely to kill you. Also regarding the electrical installation, there may be life wires dangling down from a pole on the street. So, better look up. But not too much or you might miss the missing manhole cover and die from that.

  • @victorcercasin
    @victorcercasin 7 лет назад +1257

    As a brazilian this video was extremely amusing to watch. Like I was watching an alien talking about what cars are.

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  7 лет назад +303

      I've since learned how standard these things are in parts of the world including Brazil. We do have electric showers here in the UK, but it has to be with a wall unit with grounded heating enclosure and sleeved element so there is no current leakage. The Ducha would not be allowed here because it would be considered a shock hazard, particularly in a wet environment where the person showering would have their feet on a wet grounded surface. But it's interesting to see it's widely used elsewhere.

    • @victorcercasin
      @victorcercasin 7 лет назад +156

      I can see how it looks like a ridicule level of danger, but I have never ever heard of it causing any serious issues, even in those precarious instalations. It is not a continuous stream of water that hits the skin, but a bunch of droplets, so it would not conduct electricity even without a ground (or maybe as we say here, god protects the dumb).

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  7 лет назад +236

      Most of the incidents seem to involve tall tourists who make head contact with the shower while it's on. I'd guess it's a lot safer if mounted a modest height overhead.

    • @TheBotinha93
      @TheBotinha93 7 лет назад +86

      They are usually mounted about 2.3m to 2.5m, but you can find them lower on cheap and old hotels, if you use one these in less than 5 or 10 cm from your body, you will get a eletrical shock. Now, the thing is people dont usually die from the shock it self but from passing out and hitting the head. Every body here in Brazil knows not to touch it while in use, but it is ez to imagine a tourist simple putting his hand on it to switch to "hot" while it is on.

    • @TheBotinha93
      @TheBotinha93 7 лет назад +14

      It happens, but it is a quite rare ocurence, i only know of one guy that died this way.

  • @Doom2pro
    @Doom2pro 8 лет назад +233

    I'm actually surprised the Chinese manufacturer of these hasn't advertised the tingling sensation as a feature!

    • @LucasRodmo
      @LucasRodmo 4 года назад +7

      They're made in Brazil

    • @Spooks12
      @Spooks12 4 года назад +2

      Lucas Rodmo not only in brazil? lmao

    • @LucasRodmo
      @LucasRodmo 4 года назад +7

      @@Spooks12 you're right, I thought this one in specific was a Brazilian brand, but it is a knock off

  • @thgteixeira
    @thgteixeira 8 лет назад +273

    This is a BAD copy of brazilian Lorenzetti electric showerhead. The brazilian version is also simple, but is certified. This copy is a big trap!

    • @TRUE_GR1T
      @TRUE_GR1T 7 лет назад +80

      certified in Brazil maybe...

    • @qual1t
      @qual1t 7 лет назад +32

      Certified by a bunch of guys that are barely human (in brazil)

    • @0b3rz0nK
      @0b3rz0nK 7 лет назад +95

      I am a german engineer, spent 3 month in brazil. They know what they are doing, at least as much as non-MIT US engineers do. You find these showerheads there even in most hotels, also nice ones. They should be installed with heat-shrink wire, then they are as save es in-wall electric water heaters imho. Energy-efficient too.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +24

      Thiago Teixeira You could be right. There are millions of shower head heaters in Brasil and no one is being electrocuted.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +27

      Amar Ken Thanks for you post. As you know, there are millions of these in Brazil and no one is being electrocuted. Nor is anyone being killed by tank-type heaters which also have an electric element immersed in the water. "Shocking" isn't it? :)

  • @julienklu
    @julienklu 5 лет назад +264

    ElectroBOOM brought me here

  • @VileLasagna
    @VileLasagna 8 лет назад +85

    Fun fact: here in Brazil people actually got upset (well, they still are) when the gvmt established that things had to be grounded. The VAST majority of electrical installations and appliances simply aren't, even to this day
    Edit: Those showers are the standard here in Brazil. Reading the label I actually think this is a copy of one of the most common models here

    • @padathir
      @padathir 8 лет назад

      Are central hot water heaters not common there?

    • @VileLasagna
      @VileLasagna 8 лет назад +11

      Not at all, no. You get them in on the south of the country (the little "appendage" hanging from the bottom) which has colder winters and even then most houses will have heating for showers only, rest of the house is straight from the water mains. It's also a "rich people thing" and even there most people will rely on electric showerheads like that one

    • @VileLasagna
      @VileLasagna 8 лет назад +3

      The general idea is that having earthed appliances is pointless and that standardizing plugs and connectors is futile and wasteful.

    • @mikes2381
      @mikes2381 8 лет назад +21

      +Vile Lasagna, yeah it's totally pointless if the people give no regard whatsoever to others or their own safety. hahaha.

    • @TRUE_GR1T
      @TRUE_GR1T 7 лет назад

      So what do you wash your hands with? Cold water? That doesn't kill any germs.

  • @trulyinfamous
    @trulyinfamous 7 лет назад +252

    Who needs a toaster in a bathtub when you can install a heater in your shower

  • @AddictedtoProjects
    @AddictedtoProjects 6 лет назад +272

    I used to live in Paraguay, where these are pretty much in every house! I used to work as an electrician there and used to install them. I have installed and used these with RCD's, and they worked fine. And as long as they are earthed, they're absolutely fine. They're literally used by millions of people in South America, every day.

    • @lordmmx1303
      @lordmmx1303 6 лет назад +113

      but you at least earthed it. My friend was in cuba and he said, he never had to drink coffee after morning shower.

    • @JulianBo188
      @JulianBo188 6 лет назад +20

      I usually go to Paraguay and most of the times I just open the faucet normally until I get shocked, at which point I just open it with my flipflops in my hands lol
      When I come back home the first thing I do is to take a nice little gas heated shower, it can't kill me unless I lock myself down in the boiler room (so it's a little less painful)

    • @alycestapleton
      @alycestapleton 6 лет назад +11

      Addicted to Projects bullshit in Argentina and Uruguay they don’t have this rubbish device

    • @namor18
      @namor18 6 лет назад +11

      Where i live in Dominican Republic theres a lot of houses that use this, and it works great as long that is properly grounded.

    • @Ichigoeki
      @Ichigoeki 6 лет назад +18

      I once saw someone charging their phone with the two wires just jammed into the electrical socket with plastic fork spikes. He said the same thing to me, that it's perfectly fine. Glad I was one of the guards of that place at the time so I got them out from there before they shorted anything. -.-
      I'm also quite baffled that their phone was fine with being charged with 230 volts.

  • @helioshaul3924
    @helioshaul3924 8 лет назад +161

    For Real.... A bare copper wire stub in the warm water flow, that would form oxide in a day, and then goodbye earth, literally .

    • @ivanjacob_
      @ivanjacob_ 8 лет назад +6

      Copperoxide conducts, doesn't it?

    • @nolansykinsley3734
      @nolansykinsley3734 8 лет назад +25

      +ivanjacob I believe that it does, but it has a higher resistance, plus I would be concerned about calcium scale buildup, that would really block it unless some electrolytic action keeps it from forming.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 8 лет назад

      +Helios Haul that's not true.
      maybe i should say "that doesn't happen at all".
      because it doesn't.

    • @kevinolesik1500
      @kevinolesik1500 8 лет назад

      +Helios Haul just put your head between your knees , and kiss your ass goodbye ...

    • @MrROTD
      @MrROTD 8 лет назад +1

      +Helios Haul It should be gold plated

  • @HaniffSutherland
    @HaniffSutherland 8 лет назад +16

    they are very popular in the caribbean also, however they are imported from Brazil, and they have a removable element for maintenance, we have been using these over 20 years now they typically last for 5 years, and work pretty well.

  • @Icathiann
    @Icathiann 8 лет назад +440

    Hey clive, I'm from brazil and those showerheads are pretty much the standard here. The ones used here are different though and made in brazil following a few guidelines, it has a few safety things in it that makes it so even if you completely ignore all safety, it's still quite ok to be used.
    The one you have looks like a cheap ass version from china, which is no wonder since china perfected the art of making things as cheap as possible that are still functional.

    • @masterplay1201
      @masterplay1201 8 лет назад +32

      Esses chuveiro de 10 conto ahueha

    • @Heavyzito
      @Heavyzito 8 лет назад +36

      +MasterPlay Essa galera nos comments com medo das Lorenzetti. Mal sabem que nossas gambiarras são de qualidade.

    • @Caseosio
      @Caseosio 8 лет назад +72

      +Icathiann You should see if you can figure out how to get one of your Brazillian made ones to Clive so he can compare them. That said, I am sure it probably would cost more to ship it to the Isle of Man than the cost of the unit itself.

    •  8 лет назад +4

      +Caseosio correct

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  8 лет назад +59

      +Caseosio Is there a Brazillian ebay listing with them?

  • @1924Furacao
    @1924Furacao 7 лет назад +4

    Never heard of anyone being killed by this type of shower. It is not the best one out there but it works just fine in a tropical country like Brazil.

  • @Braeden123698745
    @Braeden123698745 8 лет назад +275

    You Brits are too afraid of electricity. I've been hit with the American 125 volts many times and I'm still fineaeidaksjoaskdjas;

    • @DanB95
      @DanB95 8 лет назад +9

      +Braeden Hamson It's just a flesh wound. .! xD

    • @madmantaylor1674
      @madmantaylor1674 6 лет назад +39

      Aye but we have 240 volt which will kill you.

    • @Witheredgoogie
      @Witheredgoogie 5 лет назад +8

      It's not the voltage that kills you.

    • @Alucard-gt1zf
      @Alucard-gt1zf 5 лет назад +32

      Witheredgoogie it’s not the amps either
      It’s both

    • @TheRidge27
      @TheRidge27 5 лет назад +1

      @@Alucard-gt1zf , wrong...

  • @felipezolesi
    @felipezolesi 8 лет назад +10

    Those units are very popular here in Brazil, 9 out of 10 houses have one. I just asked a friend who used to work in IPT (IPT is a government organization who test out stuff) and he said me that the minimum requirements for sale are a maximum of 30ma in the ground wire and 5ma in the body (yes, 5ma in the plastic body! He said that he tested one with 10ma in the body!). And yes, i had a few bad experiences with this showers, electric shocks, explosions, two wires melted and shorted out ( the house had a 75A fuse in the shower circuit). Love the videos Clive, bye!

  • @scorchedearth1451
    @scorchedearth1451 8 лет назад +147

    Wow, I think they don't allow these even in death row.

    • @robertwilson7045
      @robertwilson7045 8 лет назад +1

      +John Obmar That's the best reply yet!

    • @10p6
      @10p6 8 лет назад +14

      +John Obmar Maybe they should. Save the tax payer some money, and remove the anxiety from that fateful date to a random fateful day.

    • @MrBrymstond
      @MrBrymstond 8 лет назад

      +John Obmar I agree and this is only because the CO's got tired of resetting the breaker switch or replacing the fuses... lol

    • @kbuss10
      @kbuss10 8 лет назад

      +John Obmar rotflmao :DDDDDDD

    • @emmett050
      @emmett050 8 лет назад +10

      Showers that kill you? Clearly an idea stolen by Hitler.

  • @BaronVonBeef
    @BaronVonBeef 8 лет назад +29

    That secondary pipe with the water outlet looks like it might be for redirecting the waterflow to wash yourself, A lot of showerheads are removable from the wall mount with a flex tube.

    • @AddictedtoProjects
      @AddictedtoProjects 8 лет назад +4

      Correct! I can say from first hand experience of using these in South America, that the secondary hose is to wash yourself. When earthed properly, they're fine. Used them for 10 years!

    • @AddictedtoProjects
      @AddictedtoProjects 8 лет назад

      Correct! I can say from first hand experience of using these in South America, that the secondary hose is to wash yourself. When earthed properly, they're fine. Used them for 10 years!

    • @AddictedtoProjects
      @AddictedtoProjects 8 лет назад +1

      Correct! I can say from first hand experience of using these in South America, that the secondary hose is to wash yourself. When earthed properly, they're fine. Used them for 10 years!

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR 8 лет назад +1

      +mictho100 Wow! You replied four times!

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR 8 лет назад +1

      +mictho100 Wow! You replied four times!

  • @vitorfray
    @vitorfray 7 лет назад +30

    I'm brazilian, and I am amazed at how frightened people are about electric showers. People not used to it seem to have the feeling that there's no law or regulation on electric showers in latin countries. It is perfectly safe, we brazilians take 1 to 3 showers a day and I've never heard of anyone getting electrocuted by this type of showerhead.

    • @danielmantione
      @danielmantione 6 лет назад +5

      A human that is wet doesn't stand a chance in case of electric shock. Electrical regulations in civilized countries forbid bringing electricity close to the water in bathrooms. Even simple power sockets are forbidden. For good reason.
      This device doesn't just bring the electricity near the water, it brings the electricty in the water! Yes, in order to kill a person certain conditions need to be met. So, normally you won't get an electrical shock. But that doesn't mean it is safe.
      All that is needed to kill you is a malfunctioning ground wire and just the life wire not being connected (which can happen during operating the switch). I call that a major hazard.

    • @AuraRisen
      @AuraRisen 5 лет назад +1

      Even with the ground unplugged you don't get a shock. This type of product is sold everywhere, Canada, USA.
      What happens if you unplug the earth and lick the shower head? Nothing: ruclips.net/video/06w3-l1AzFk/видео.html

    • @NaFran49
      @NaFran49 3 года назад +3

      @@danielmantione funnily enough "civilized countries" allow people to bring gas inside every one of their homes even though it kills so many people every year just by monoxide carbon poisoning, not even talking about other problems related to it. All the while 210 milllions of Brazilians take a couple of these showers everyday without any problem at all and it has been like that for almost a hundred years. So do not disguise your stupidity and lack of knowledge as some kind of "superiority" or "safety issues", it's kind of pathetic you know...LOL

    • @udontneedtoknowmyname
      @udontneedtoknowmyname 3 года назад

      @@NaFran49 Damn, I love u so much ❤️❤️❤️

    • @ttuliorancao
      @ttuliorancao 3 года назад +6

      @@danielmantione the thing is that in Brazil those showers heads are very well regulated. All manufacturers take in consideration the water resistance and design the shower head in such way that the water travels such distance before getting out of the shower head that the resultant resistance is so huge that almost no current flows through it as the heating element is a way smaller resistance in parallel. Almost all of these showers sold today in Brazil are compatible with residual-current breakers, so those are leaking less than 30 mA...

  • @Jones12ax7
    @Jones12ax7 8 лет назад +37

    I live in Brazil, and these units are standard here. Amazingly, we dont hear about safety problems with that kind of shower. Particularly, I never heard of a single incident in my entire life, and I'm 38. Not that this a proof that this is safe, of course.
    ABNT, the regulatory responsible, is more worried about chaging the plug standard for one that is not used elsewhere in the world.

  • @thelbp
    @thelbp 8 лет назад +10

    Hey clive, we use this in Brazil, it is used in almost all houses. All the showers legally sold in Brazil must be avaliated by inmetro (and they are very serious) so the shower heads sold in stores here are quite safe actually (not a single accident that i know of). obviously that does not include the ones you can order in the internet from china.
    The big problem actually is badly done wiring, made by somebody that does not know what he is doing!, it is very commom in these bad installations to get a small electric shock when you touch the water valve handle, in really badly done ones you get a mild to somewhat strong shock when you touch that handle.
    Also this 3 heat thing is not used on newer showers, they now have something like a potentiometer that you turn to choose the optimal temperature.

    • @thelbp
      @thelbp 8 лет назад +3

      Also due to their power use (up to 8kw is quite common), they also tend to use quite a lot of energy, and in the end of the month they are responsible for quite a big share in the energy bill.

    • @thelbp
      @thelbp 8 лет назад +3

      i have spent quite a few minutes searching, and i only found 2 deaths: one was caused because the guy tried to change the damaged heating element inside WHILE it was live in 2014, and another one in 2013 caused by eletrocution while he was connecting the wires during installation.
      During bath i actually only found deaths caused by Carbon monoxide from gas heating.
      OH before i forget: ducha also means shower in portuguese.

    • @ivankirola2707
      @ivankirola2707 9 месяцев назад

      @@thelbp you're completely wrong.

  • @970357ers
    @970357ers 7 лет назад +66

    That extra pipe is for washing your arse!

    • @arlindjax
      @arlindjax 7 лет назад +5

      970357ers I'm laughing out loud here!

    • @gau51e
      @gau51e 7 лет назад +27

      I suspect it would give your arse a very special tingle.

    • @obsoleteprofessor2034
      @obsoleteprofessor2034 7 лет назад +5

      What a wonderful idea!

    • @cattadog1163
      @cattadog1163 7 лет назад +2

      WTF?????

    • @bgttgb100
      @bgttgb100 7 лет назад +7

      (°ロ°)☝ up the bum bum???

  • @meunomejaestavaemuso
    @meunomejaestavaemuso 8 лет назад +7

    The tubing you assumed to be used as venting or to avoid pressure is not at all. It's actually used so you get water from there. When you pull the pin, the shower head will stop dropping water as the tube will fill and after that water will come out, as a hose. It's quite useful when you want to take a shower and not wet your hair. Also this type of heating shower is very common in Brazil, and there isn't much concerns for safety. I never heard of people getting electrocuted with those. As you mentioned taller people Might get some shocks, but usually those should be mounted pretty high (around 2.5 meters from the ground)
    And lastly this model is quite cheap, there are better models with more safety features. Including shafts to change the temperature without having to reach the shower head.

  • @arakakimangaka
    @arakakimangaka 7 лет назад +2

    Everybody uses these showers here in Brazil. If installed correctly there is no danger. But it must be installed by someone who are familiarized with it or a professional electrician.

  • @siggyincr7447
    @siggyincr7447 7 лет назад +2

    I've used these for years in Latin America and it's kind of funny to read the comments section. They are often just open wire nut connected to a 240v 2 phase connection. I've never even heard of them causing any harm to anyone. The heating coils are generally connected by brass crimp fittings and those are corrosion prone. My guess is that there might be some sort of galvanic action taking place that protects the copper grounding wires. When the brass connections fail you need to put in new coils, which are sold in nearly every hardware store.
    One thing that most people are not taking into account is that even though you are wet, your not touching anything that makes a good ground in nearly all the places these are used. The pipes in these countries are generally PVC and the floor and walls are either ceramic tiled or painted, none of which makes for a good conductor.

  • @SuNshine-kc9wj
    @SuNshine-kc9wj 7 лет назад +30

    thought you said dippin your testies in the water to check voltage @ 4;45 lol hell of a test kit

  • @dennisgouveadeazevedo6238
    @dennisgouveadeazevedo6238 8 лет назад +36

    Hi there, nice video.
    Those are pretty common here in Brazil (even though this precise one you are showing is made in China). The Brazilian-made ondes come in decent quality and undergo quality control, even though they're not much safer than this one. Unfortunately that's what 99.999% of the people use in Brazil in spite of recent and somewhat though local regulations.
    I own a safe version of this called the Quatro Estacoes (Four Seasons) which has a shielded heating element (Just like the american water heaters), an Earth Fault Protection and a Triac based Power Control Unit but is also about 20 times more expensive than the conventional ones. It delivers 7.7KW to the load, which stands for an amazing (steam room-like) shower experience.
    The reason why we have that kind of shower head is because (for the most part of the country) our climate does not justify stocking heated water, most of it is heated as needed and the demand itself changes according to the season. On average, we tend to shower twice a day during summer, now imagine a household with 4 people and you would need a whole lot of hot water to meet the demand.
    For the record.... "Ducha" means shower in Portuguese..... I know...... pretty duchy..... but yeah, that's what it means no pun intended...
    For some 15 years now, there is an increasing number of households using solar heating systems, though those systems are mostly dedicated to swimming pools.
    Anyway, that's the perspective from a person who lives in Brasil and has already experienced the "tingling" a lot in the past.
    I do agree with you, those are indeed a death trap.
    If properly grounded (which is the case for about 20% of the users at best) it can be dangerous but acceptable. Unless, of course, you buy one of the safe versions with shielded elements, then it's actually pretty good.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Dennis

  • @ellenmadden8343
    @ellenmadden8343 8 лет назад +57

    I can't decide if I'm more horrified at the fact that something as intrinsically unsafe (although clever) as this actually exists, or the fact that this is a chinese ripoff of said device.

    •  8 лет назад +4

      +Ellen Madden i took a shower on one of these for 5 years! Unless i had a bruise on my fingers i never felt any sign of electric current.

    • @1marcelfilms
      @1marcelfilms 8 лет назад

      +André Campana Merétika YEE

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis 8 лет назад +39

      +André Campana Merétika My wife likes to take long showers, but 5 years seems a bit extreme even by her standards.

    •  8 лет назад +2

      ***** Your comment only proves how much of a scumbag you are. swear words are not going to make me do anything for you, don't like it? Quit RUclips then.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 8 лет назад

      André Campana Merétika
      boo hoo.

  • @ArturBernardoMallmann
    @ArturBernardoMallmann 3 года назад +8

    I am from Brazil, in my house I use a 7500W 220V shower grounded and with GFCI with 30mA sensitivity, it works amazingly well. GFCI had pulled off with my electric oven on humid days, but never with the shower.

  • @madsen8870
    @madsen8870 7 лет назад +74

    5kW and 20 amps?? Get that shit out of your shower and burn it!

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +4

      I have been using this system for 14 years and have never heard of anyone ever receiving the slightest shock from one. You Americans are the most poorly educated, but arrogant ,people on earth.
      FYI, meathead, my two shower heads are on a single breaker of 30 Amps and draw less than 15 amps each at 220V, the standard where I live. In 14 years of living here, I have never heard of anyone being harmed by these They are probably installed in 90% of the homes in Brazil. But maybe Brazil has better standards than where you live.

    • @madsen8870
      @madsen8870 7 лет назад +36

      Haha you're amusing but dumb. First of all I'm not an American, you judging peace of shit.
      I live in Denmark, where we also have 230V and actually have some standards in how you treat electricial components (with respect so to say). In Denmark it is ILLEGAL to install that shower head, because the safety is completely bullshit (I'm sorry you're to ignorrat to see that). You should not have ANY 230V near running water, and did you know that if 0.04 AMPS ran straight through your heart you would die? I guess not.
      Does Brazil have better standards than us? What a nice statement, when you do not know shit about me. We do not use those shower heads because we actually have hot water running. Oh is that standard too high?
      I feel bad for the 90% of homes in Brazil. In Denmark we REUSE the warmth of the heatet water, so is the same as our indoor air. Heat recycling. Why pay for the 5kW? Oh, that must be typical Brazillians. You don't care about how much energy you use.. So poorly educated and arrogant.
      -The electrician

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +4

      Madsen You are the totally dumb shithead. An electric water heater works by a heating element immersed in the water, exactly the same as this shower head.
      Thank you for proving not everyone in Denmark is as smart or as nice as those I have met personally.
      If these were as dangerous as you claim, people would die every day here. That is not happening, so you would be better served to stop posting here instead of exposing your ignorance. Maybe you are a mental masochist and get a cheap thrill from it?

    • @madsen8870
      @madsen8870 7 лет назад +20

      Wtf is wrong with you, do you market and sell theese shower heads? Its like you're trying to sell me one.
      I'm telling you, from my perspective in the world - Theese shower heads should not be used because you're putting yourself in danger with 230V/20A straight above your head while you're soaked!! If that makes you hate Denmark, fuck you man!
      I'm not saying you should change your standards where you live. I didnt start calling everybody stupid.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +2

      Madsen WTF is wrong with you? I told you, not one person here has ever been harmed with these. No I do not sell them.
      I recognize your problem. You are determindly stupid. You know nothing and want to stay that way. Look it up shit for brains. Exactly how many people world-wide have been harmed by these? If any were being electrocuted, especially in an advanced, informed populance such as in Brazil, ever one of these shower heads would be in the trash.
      You also have ignored the fact that an electric tank-type water heater works exactly the same way. An electric heating element is immersed in the water.
      Thank you for continuing to demonstrate exactly how stupid you are. Now, kill youself. You are too goddamned dumb to live.
      Don't bother replying. I will neither reply or eeven read your astonishingly asinine posts. You must be the most ignorant person in Denmark. Are you in a mental institution? Fuck off, you cretin.

  • @subigirlawd_7307
    @subigirlawd_7307 8 лет назад +19

    So its a shower head made out of a toaster? 😰

  • @ride0RgetR0DE0n
    @ride0RgetR0DE0n 7 лет назад +26

    Oh man it looks so freaking cheap it hurts

  • @spodule6000
    @spodule6000 8 лет назад +10

    The silicone was probably on the earth wire to stop false RCD triggerings. Exciting!

  • @xavierbacon7538
    @xavierbacon7538 8 лет назад +28

    Hi Clive,
    Like me you'll be startled to hear that some UK shower manufacturers DID use this live coil in water principle up until just a few years ago! About twenty years back a friend asked me to have a look at their very expensive shower unit (Dolphin??) which had stopped heating.
    My jaw dropped when I opened the case to find a clear perspex manifold with a Ni-chrome coil directly in the water flow - albeit a lot fancier and with a much longer water resistance path than the Chinese one you stripped down, it looked equally dangerous to me. Nevertheless, when I checked it out with one of the Principle Engineers in the local electricity board he confirmed that BEAB had indeed (somewhat reluctantly) given approval for water heating devices using this principle.
    In the event all I had to do to repair it was to shorten the coil by half an inch (it had corroded at its termination) and off it went like new. I did hear that the owner ultimately died, but he was in his nineties by then so my conscience is clear!
    Love the channel, Cheers, Chris

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  8 лет назад +3

      I saw the panel from inside one of them a long time ago. A long snaking channel with the element inside it.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +2

      Xavier Bacon In fact, you have never heard of anyone being electrocuted by one of these devices.
      The electric tank heaters work the same way. An electric heating elment is immersed in the water. This entire video and 99% of the responses are testimonies to ignorance and a determination to ignore the facts.

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  7 лет назад +9

      In the majority of countries using electrical water heating the heating element is enclosed in a grounded metal sleeve like a kettle element and does not make electrical contact with the water. I do realise these devices are widely used in places like Brazil, but they would not be allowed in the UK due to the genuine shock risk they carry.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +1

      bigclivedotcom You are totally wrong. I have repaired many electrical water heaters in the USA and not one was as you describe. Nor are the shower head heaters dangerous. There are millions of them in Brazil. If the were as dangerous as you claim, thousands of people would be electrocuted every day. That would cause talk. ;)

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +3

      colonelerotic
      I know that. That's why I said USA. It makes no difference, it is still true and millions of these shower head heaters are used every day in Brazil alone. If they were even 1% ad dangerous as the claims in the video, thousands of people would be electrocuted every day. That would cause talk, wouldn't it? ;)

  • @KroltanMG
    @KroltanMG 7 лет назад +9

    Haha, this is the default shower technology on Brazil, probably 95% of bathrooms use that.
    And yes, in most installations people don't bother with the earth wire (in fact, a lot of houses in Brazil still don't have a earth wire anywhere at all, even though it's required by law!).
    If the local electrical regulations were enforced strictly, I'd guess about half the country would have to completely redo their properties' electrical systems.

  • @xmenxwk
    @xmenxwk 7 лет назад +12

    why would anyone use it after knowing how dangerous and risky this piece of shit is.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +6

      It is not dangerous. Only the idiocy of the poster of this video is dangerous.

    • @ZazzilasArden
      @ZazzilasArden 7 лет назад +8

      Truth teller It is dangerous

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +3

      Zazzilas Arden Then tell me why out of the millions in use every day, no one is being killed?
      You fools are like religious zealots. Refuse to admit all of the facts are against you. Have you noticed not one person has disputed that no one is being electrocuted by these? Stop being idiots and face the truth. No one is being electrocuted. Your beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, do not alter facts. Show me even one verifiable instance of someone being electrocuted. If you can't, show some ethics, swallow you pride and admit it. Otherwise, you are arrogant, ignorant fools.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +3

      Florian Münch You will note the article did not mention a shower head heater. It said "electric shower" referring that they were in the shower. It could have well been a tank-type heater that was improperly installed or maintained. You use a very thin example to offset the verifiable fact that million of shower head heaters are used every day and no one dies. How like "true believers" to ignore the most obvious facts to maintain ludicrous beliefs.

    • @ppsarrakis
      @ppsarrakis 7 лет назад +2

      www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/14cu9b/my_sister_got_electrocuted_in_peru_while/

  • @Bchulo88
    @Bchulo88 7 лет назад +8

    when you mentioned "naughty bits" and i saw the little switch pop out i got scared for a second but then "phew... ok relax, its just a switch to turn it on or off"

  • @AquaticLogic
    @AquaticLogic 8 лет назад +19

    When I was backpacking in Peru, these were standard in every hotel/hostel. A few smoked when we turned them on!

    • @carolynmmitchell2240
      @carolynmmitchell2240 6 лет назад +5

      Aquatic Logic you sure it wasn't steam from water inside?

    • @AtheistCook
      @AtheistCook 5 лет назад +2

      yes, sometimes you can also see the spark when you turn them on

  • @elmartillo7931
    @elmartillo7931 7 лет назад +1

    I've enjoyed these across Central America, really wakes you up when you touch the taps while wet! Good times!

  • @toppu10animes
    @toppu10animes 7 лет назад +58

    Every house in Brazil has those and i've bathed with those in my entire life.

    • @50Banana
      @50Banana 7 лет назад +14

      They're usually fine, it's just if you fuck it up it's going to electrocute you.

    • @poppinlochnesshopster3249
      @poppinlochnesshopster3249 7 лет назад +8

      You mean like every electronic device?

    • @50Banana
      @50Banana 7 лет назад +33

      Poppin' Loch Ness Hopster It's much easier with these things, most devices don't have water and electricity sitting right next to each other.

    • @Trutadruida
      @Trutadruida 7 лет назад +3

      Eu que o diga, levei um choque de um chuveiro desses mês passado, meti a mão atrás do chuveiro sem querer, olha que já levei muito choque consertando aparelhos eletrônicos, mas nenhum chega perto de uma descarga de chuveiro, o pior é que eu tava molhado, simplesmente perdi a força no corpo todo, horrível.

    • @prismstudios001
      @prismstudios001 5 лет назад +1

      Do houses in Brazil not have a hot water supply? Just seems strange to not have a tank ,or even tankless residential water heater, which is normal in the US.

  • @phreapersoonlijk
    @phreapersoonlijk 8 лет назад +33

    I expect a follow-up of this video.
    You know what to do, so take your camera and the shower head over to the bathroom, install it and show it to us in action !
    You also demonstrated your piss illuminating colourful headlamp, so on with it I say.

    • @kg4boj
      @kg4boj 8 лет назад +10

      dear God don't encourage that.

    • @phreapersoonlijk
      @phreapersoonlijk 8 лет назад +6

      +Peter “Crackpot Pete” Carlson It has to be done, I'm afraid.

    • @kg4boj
      @kg4boj 8 лет назад +1

      +Phrea Nix no, it doesn't. that's why we have the equations of physics that tell us exactly how much water 5 kw will heat and to how many degrees

    • @JamstaUK
      @JamstaUK 8 лет назад +1

      +Peter “Crackpot Pete” Carlson No, I'm with Phrea, we definitely need video evidence to be sure. Equations are often wrong.

    • @NatureAndTech
      @NatureAndTech 8 лет назад

      +JamstaUK To be fair, I don't think you can fault the laws of thermo-dynamics.

  • @uwotmate4734
    @uwotmate4734 7 лет назад +7

    Those are actually very commom in Brazil. I've used one of those for 20+ years and i'm fine...

  • @PixelatedH2O
    @PixelatedH2O 7 лет назад +6

    What I learned from this... there are areas of the world that don't have water heaters. I'm amazed by that.

    • @udontneedtoknowmyname
      @udontneedtoknowmyname 3 года назад

      We do, It's on the video watch again

    • @PixelatedH2O
      @PixelatedH2O 3 года назад

      @@udontneedtoknowmyname Who's we? I never mentioned a specific country in this comment from years ago

  • @TheXDS
    @TheXDS 8 лет назад +11

    is that the Chinese version of Lorenzzetti showers?

  • @fellipec
    @fellipec 7 лет назад +135

    I would say about 95% of showers in Brazil works like this one. I have two myself at my home, and they are pretty safe

    • @victrixsvs
      @victrixsvs 6 лет назад +11

      kkk sim, nunca vi ninguém morrer

    • @HakureiReimuOfficial
      @HakureiReimuOfficial 6 лет назад +30

      People from first world countries seem to lose their utter shit about these, but if the electrical installation is done to code they're absolutely safe and not dangerous at all, not to mention much much more energy efficient than boilers and other such solutions that lose heat to the environment.

    • @Phil-D83
      @Phil-D83 6 лет назад +9

      Luiz Fellipe Carneiro needs a ground /earth or can end badly

    • @uK8cvPAq
      @uK8cvPAq 6 лет назад +13

      Electricity is more expensive than gas.

    • @HakureiReimuOfficial
      @HakureiReimuOfficial 6 лет назад +12

      uK8cvPAq not over here it isn't.

  • @proyectosledar
    @proyectosledar 8 лет назад +24

    hi clive, where is that made? ducha means shower.

    • @tralt135
      @tralt135 8 лет назад +2

      The labeling is in Spanish, but judging by the company name, it's probably from China

    • @tralt135
      @tralt135 8 лет назад +5

      The labeling is in Spanish, but judging by the company name, it's probably from China

    • @tralt135
      @tralt135 8 лет назад +1

      The labelling is in Spanish, but judging by the company name, I'd guess it's from China

    • @tralt135
      @tralt135 8 лет назад +13

      Stupid RUclips errors, telling me that the comment was not posted and making me type it in 3 times before giving up.

    • @tralt135
      @tralt135 8 лет назад +2

      The crazy Weaponcrafter English "shower" is of Germanic origin; it compares to the German word "schauer" which has been replaced in modern times by "dusche." It is also related to Swedish "skur," meaning a rain shower.

  • @maxheadrom3088
    @maxheadrom3088 2 года назад +3

    The real suicide shower were the old ones - made of bare metal. There norms in Brazil requiring ground and and all the other safety devices and it's not a surprise most deaths due to electricity happen in the poorer regions up north where, btw, people usually to turn the shower on because it's too damn hot even during the winter. You are correct - it correlates with poverty even within Brazil - and regulatory agencies don't look closer into the problem since they know how difficult it's for people to follow them. They should, however, not let a store like Leroy Merlin to sell insulated tubular connectors that don't crimp! 10 for one buck while the one with the Inmetro (national standards institution) seal and NBR (technical norms) number cost 1 buck each. (those are local bucks - 1/6 or 1/7 of a British but and 1/5 of a US buck). In 2018 the National Museum located on Rio de Janeiro went to dust after a fire that burned all historic documents, the oldest human found in the Americas and Egyptian mummies brought to Brazil by the Portuguese monarch in 1808. I bet both my arms it was electric failure. Those showers are safe - I don't like them because they leak water and the heating element breaks too often. Electric installations, however, make me worried when I find them. I must say something, though: why people worry about a buzzing coming from the water heater over their heads but don't worry about the buzzing from the kettle when it's on?
    Wow ... there's a video about the shower from ElectroBOOM also! Soon Veritasium will do one explaining why you can touch live wires - because electricity flows outside the wires!

  • @keyboard-commentator
    @keyboard-commentator 6 лет назад +5

    i used one of these in costa rica and was pretty nervous at first, but i didn't feel any tingling or electrical activity at all. still....no way i'd ever install it at my own house.

  • @ZeroHBRPro
    @ZeroHBRPro 7 лет назад +70

    Brazil has 200 million people and only 3 people died in 2014 due to accidents with electric showers. It's really not that dangerous.

    • @decoy3418
      @decoy3418 7 лет назад +47

      ZeroHBR the only 3 people in Brazil who cared about their hygiene, dead.

    • @ZeroHBRPro
      @ZeroHBRPro 7 лет назад +60

      Decoy Sorry to burst your bubble, but according to Euromonitor's 2014 “Personal Appearances: Global Consumer Survey Results on Apparel, Beauty and Grooming”, more than 97% of Brazilians take daily showers, contrasted to 75% of USA citizens, or 55% of people in the UK.
      By the way, I can tell you anecdotally that it's a very common habbit to take 2 showers a day here.

    • @ItsPowie
      @ItsPowie 7 лет назад +23

      That's still three people dead in a year from it.

    • @truthteller1914
      @truthteller1914 7 лет назад +2

      ZeroHBR You are a liar. Show me a verifiable report of those deaths. You are feeding the fools.

    • @allaboutthatphatbass2968
      @allaboutthatphatbass2968 7 лет назад

      ZeroHBR yeah *only three*!? with water heaters in America dies from the shower (except maybe falls [but even that is a rare occurrence])

  • @davidsuzukiispolpot
    @davidsuzukiispolpot 8 лет назад +2

    i showered in Brazil in a place with hot water shower in 1995. Not only was the shower head as you described,but the terminals were bare screws on the outside. while washing my underarms, I lifted my arm straight up and contacted the bare terminals while soaking wet in the shower. That was NOT the most dangerous thing I ran into in Brazil.

  • @RoughriderUT
    @RoughriderUT 8 лет назад +7

    Another interesting video. Been watching you for a couple months and you always seem to get the oddest things in electrical wise. Never even heard of something like this, and I'm sure the electrical board in Canada would have a meltdown if anyone wanted this installed...
    Keep up the great vids.

  • @DisneyKidsFunToys
    @DisneyKidsFunToys 8 лет назад +10

    Hi Clive,
    Yes, these are very common in Brazil. I have been using it all week and every time I visit. I have even replaced these for my mother-in-law. Very simple to install. Few things. the water connector, this you got correct, 2) the wires do feed through the shorter tubing and is generally spliced to a 3-prong plug which connects to a plug high on the wall, 3) the outlet it plugs into is controlled by a switch (you flip the switch on right before you turn on the water and off right after you are done,) 4) the longer hose is an additional shower head to wash your "private" areas or use it to cleans the walls etc, 5) yes I wouldn't advise changing the switch on the shower head while the main power switch is on, you can get a slight shock from that.
    If installed and used correctly, they arent a problem at all. I kind of wish we had them in the USA. The water is warm right away, the warm water doesnt run out, and you arent paying money to keep a tank of water hot and ready to use and it does save water by not having to leave the water running while waiting for the hot water to arrive. :-)

  • @donteo508
    @donteo508 7 лет назад +18

    Ehh id rather go showerless for a month than die

    • @ch1ll1add.25
      @ch1ll1add.25 7 лет назад +1

      Donteo50 I would rather shower on a river. Or thermal waters

  • @tonysmith7283
    @tonysmith7283 8 лет назад +1

    I learned the hard way, just shocking, in Nayahuru Kenya, Arusha Tanzania and San Jose Costa Rica, that touching this suicide unit, even unplugged, can be an uplifting experience as even the potential difference between the shower head and the floor drain is guaranteed to lift the spirits.

  • @IGGSGA
    @IGGSGA 7 лет назад +25

    Am I the only one who's wondering why its in my recommended, and why I watched the whole thing

    • @edwardhugus2772
      @edwardhugus2772 5 лет назад

      You watched the whole thing because that's what people do when a BIGCLIVEDOTCOM video is on! As Mr. Holmes would say, " It's elementary dear Watson "

  • @neutrinolinux
    @neutrinolinux 8 лет назад +4

    In Latin America those are pretty commonplace. Hot water tanks are expensive (say, $250 or so where the average salary hardly comes to $10.000 a year) while one of those shower heads will run you about $10. I had a few in service for many years, never really gave me any trouble. Even had one installed for heavy use by a high-end certified electrical contractor, no real objections on their part except that a breaker switch needed to be installed near the head for protection of the cable run from panel to shower.
    In all my years I've never really heard of anyone being injured by one of those. Couple stories about a mild shock here and there, is about it. But then again, most places I've seen them installed have a more or less decent electrical system with protection devices, so a major fault would be stopped if it were to occur. I guess if you had really shoddy electrical work on the building, you might run into a bit more trouble.
    The most common fault you see with those is a heating element failure. If you look at the element, it's pretty thin, and if anything goes out of bounds by the least bit (water level, current, pressure), the element melts down and the shower is disabled. The upper contacts are plastic and will normally fail open, and the wire connections are high enough to keep away from water splash.
    Overall I'd say if properly installed and maintained, those showers are pretty safe.

    • @bryede
      @bryede 8 лет назад +1

      +Mario Melendez I agree. The biggest problem is that many of them were installed by someone who had no business working with electricity. I've seen so many of them installed with exposed wiring and no ground, and that gives everyone the idea that it doesn't matter how you install it.

  • @fabioguedes4872
    @fabioguedes4872 8 лет назад +5

    This kind of shower head basically is the only type available here in South America and most houses here don't even have earth circuit at all (mine is one of those lol). I personally dint't had any problem with this things because here we are told since childhood the electricity is very very dangerous. "kid never touch the shower while it is on" :D

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  8 лет назад +2

      +Fabio Guedes I think a good portion of electrical common sense really helps here. In many ways British kids are too sheltered. It usually just takes one mild shock to teach electrical respect. (Maybe more than one in my case.)

    • @fabioguedes4872
      @fabioguedes4872 8 лет назад

      yeah I leaned early to not put metal things on wall sockets and well some years later I was graduating in electronic engineering, gonna be electrocuted for the rest of my life :)

  • @GrexTheCrabasitor
    @GrexTheCrabasitor 7 лет назад +147

    on this episode of 1000 ways to die:

  • @RazgrisFloob
    @RazgrisFloob 7 лет назад +1

    would like to counter the consensus in the comments section here, i'm a brazillian and i've been using these showers all my life, and they've killed me on no less than 3 separate occasions

  • @EarlFaulk
    @EarlFaulk 7 лет назад +4

    I dont know why someone thought that a device that dispenses water should be heated electrically. Just sounds like a bad idea at the very beginning.

    • @eMnocean
      @eMnocean 7 лет назад +1

      EarlFaulk you're ignorant. Just like the condescending person who made this video.
      Do you're research... sheep.

    • @EarlFaulk
      @EarlFaulk 7 лет назад +1

      Protip: Before insulting someone for being ignorant do not mistake "you're" for "your".

    • @eMnocean
      @eMnocean 7 лет назад

      EarlFaulk dude really?
      Is it your ignorance?
      YOU'RE not only ignorant, YOU'RE also stupid.
      "You're"=You are... ignorant
      All I'm saying is: Know what YOU'RE complaining about before you follow the leader, because you just might fall off a cliff.

    • @EarlFaulk
      @EarlFaulk 7 лет назад +3

      *sigh* A brick wall...nevermind.

    • @mcfs13jorma
      @mcfs13jorma 7 лет назад +4

      Mike Betancur No dipshit, you fucked up in the section with sheep...

  • @geekrj
    @geekrj 8 лет назад +4

    99% of we brazilians use this kind of shower and it has several safety standards. I've never saw anyone die using our standard showers, not even on TV news.

  • @mrflamewars
    @mrflamewars 8 лет назад +5

    The very definition of nope.

  • @TheEPROM9
    @TheEPROM9 8 лет назад +14

    I would rather have a cold shower, at least that would not kill me. First found out about these death traps when I did a video tearing down a electric shower and was not to impressed on it's design, but at least it was not this bad.

    •  8 лет назад +2

      +TheEPROM9 i took a shower on one of these for 5 years! Unless i had a bruise on my fingers i never felt any sign of electric current.

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose 8 лет назад +8

      +André Campana Merétika Yes, this is the exact same comment you are copy-pasting on all videos related to this showers. Are you a seller by any chance?

    • @IanGacek
      @IanGacek 8 лет назад +1

      +TheEPROM9 No you wouldn't. Lived in Central America for years and when these things would break, a cold shower was miserable. Took a shower every day for a year with these and never had a problem.

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis 8 лет назад +5

      +André Campana Merétika I took a shower using one of these and it killed me instantly.

    • @TheEPROM9
      @TheEPROM9 8 лет назад +1

      Ian Gacek
      Cold showers are insainly unpleasant.

  • @willyrivero470
    @willyrivero470 7 лет назад +2

    I have an identical shower brand Lorenzeti. I use these for years and years and I am still alive.
    The important is to keep it to ground and use a circuit braker.

  • @Josnaci0
    @Josnaci0 5 лет назад +1

    Wait, are you telling me that being shocked by your shower when you touch it isn't the norm?
    I've lost the count of how many cold showers I took because I was afraid of changing temperatures when I was a kid.

  • @MikeDragon
    @MikeDragon 7 лет назад +20

    As long as the wires are well secured, the body is _completely_ filled with water before you turn on the power and you don't switch temperature with the water running, they are actually quite safe (extra safe if you connect the ground wire to a grounded system). I can understand the shock (no pun intended) of most people in the comments here but as someone who does use one of these, I can safely state that they are far less scary than you guys are thinking (actually not scary at all). I assure you all you are simply not accustomed to the idea of having water and electricity together in the same device and right above your head. These showers are extremely common in Brazil, for example. That bit about being shocked by the water if you get too close to the shower head is silly, though. I've never heard about a single person ever being electrocuted by one of these in my entire life. Just make sure the wires are well secured and keep your hands away from them and there is 0 danger. They are at a certain distance from where the water comes out for a very good reason, you know.
    As for the reason the wires seem so short, it is because they are meant to be connected directly to the wires coming out of the wall. Electrical showers must not be connected to an outlet due to the heat they can produce so for safety, the wires are supposed to be connected directly to the system, but not simply any wire, either. Houses that use these kinds of showers must have a separate system exclusively for them so to not overload all rest. If for some reason the system or the wires do overheat, the circuit breaker should automatically shut off for safety and to prevent a fire. Also the wires must be of the appropriate thickness and type to they won't overheat with the flow of electricity.
    Electric showers, if installed correctly, are as safe and harmless as the light bulb above your head in the ceiling right now. Millions of people use these every single day in Brazil, have been for decades and there have never been reports of electrocution by these things. If they were as dangerous as the video made they seem, that country (which mind you, is huge) would have migrated to another type of heating system decades ago, by now.

    • @slip4009
      @slip4009 7 лет назад

      That's just sounded kind of rude, but i can see your point.

  • @AsymptoteInverse
    @AsymptoteInverse 7 лет назад +3

    I'm waiting for the inevitable electrode-boiler version of this, for maximum danger.

  • @NdrHrlnd
    @NdrHrlnd 6 лет назад +3

    I'm not risking my life under one of these. This looks utterly dangerous!!

    • @piadas804
      @piadas804 2 года назад +1

      200 million people use it daily and no one dies

    • @NdrHrlnd
      @NdrHrlnd 2 года назад

      @@piadas804 Hi okay well in that case it has to be safe.

  • @KennedyNyaga
    @KennedyNyaga 6 лет назад +1

    I have showered with one for 10 years now. Am still alive. I have never heard of death via this.

  • @heru-deshet359
    @heru-deshet359 7 лет назад +1

    A metal version of this has been used in the Caribbean. I've vacationed in mountain resorts there and the shower head is connected to regular plumbing with a simple A/C cord that is plugged into a socket about six feet away from the shower. When I first saw this the resort manager said that in all the years (since the 1960s) they've had them, they have never had anyone suffer electrocution. So I guess it must be a well made product.

  • @marcocinquini1985
    @marcocinquini1985 7 лет назад +6

    The video is old and there are tons of similar comments here, but I have to say my point of view. Judging by the label, this unit is a copy of a Lorenzetti model. Before finishing the video, as you mentioned, I saw many and many videos entitled "Suicide shower", as they show a badly/poorly installed, scalped(broken/exposed/removed selector), usually in a very low height, mostly of them were in a shithole, even the person that tested it in its own home. This kind of shower is mostly common in houses, as they don't have central heating system. Not in defense of it, as they aren't perfect, and, as any product, they may be defective. If you buy a good brand, and install it properly, including the ground, directly to the wall through a 3 way ceramic connector instead of using a outlet, the most dangerous thing that can happen when the resistor/heater blows, is you taking a cold or less warm bath. Doing a bad installation like the ones shown on stupid sensationalist videos, or changing the resistor/heater without disconnecting the wires, of course it will be deadly. Anyway, like the many others of yours, I enjoyed the video.

  • @TheNecrocoil
    @TheNecrocoil 7 лет назад +3

    Natural selection at it's finest... Well I guess that's one way of preventing overpopulation.

  • @uriituw
    @uriituw 8 лет назад +7

    The whole thing seems extremely dodgy.

  • @thomashunt5130
    @thomashunt5130 7 лет назад +1

    I lived in South America for a decade and I used these many times. The hose is for washing your neither region, it is not a safety device (PSH, or TSH).

  • @Sugurain
    @Sugurain 8 лет назад +1

    I'm from Brazil, and this kind of electric shower is almost a standard here.
    Models like the one in the video cost around 30 brazilian "Reais", or 7,50 US dollars.
    We do have, however, expensive/fancy models, wich can cost up to 1000 Reais (250 US dollars).
    My house has 3 electric showers, one for each bathroom, I've never been shocked by one, and I'm 25 years old.

  • @orionhgk
    @orionhgk 7 лет назад +13

    30 years using this shower every day and i still alive.

    • @orionhgk
      @orionhgk 7 лет назад +1

      No. A good eletric shower works for years.

    • @Towlieee
      @Towlieee 6 лет назад +5

      Some people do drugs for over 30 years and are still alive, does that mean its safe?
      Fun fact, a $600 water heater will last on average over 20-30 years, and you have heat from all your faucets, and you don't have a death machine to shower under daily.
      I'd take a cold shower before I'd use this.

    • @anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951
      @anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951 5 лет назад

      @@Towlieee 400 million people do drugs for over 30 years? If not, its a bad analogy

    • @anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951
      @anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951 5 лет назад +1

      @@Towlieee The problem never was the costs of a gas water heater, but the gas itself.

  • @SiskinOnUTube
    @SiskinOnUTube 8 лет назад +9

    Makes me think of my poor old fish years ago. There was a fault on the heater that let some current get in the water. I was getting tickled when I touched the water. It didn't seem to bother the fish, but I wonder if the poor buggers were just numb to it. I got them a nice new heater after that.

    • @andljoy
      @andljoy 8 лет назад +5

      +Siskin's Bits and Bobs The fish was not grounded , you where . The fish would be fine .

    • @MyNathanking
      @MyNathanking 8 лет назад +3

      +Siskin's Bits and Bobs The electrical current in your fish tank wasn't bothering the fish because the fish weren't getting shocked; the electrical charge was the same all around the fish. It would have been the same thing as a bird sitting on a high-voltage power line without getting electrocuted.

    • @Topples7
      @Topples7 8 лет назад +1

      Don't people fish by electrocuting water, though?

    • @CrafterLuke
      @CrafterLuke 8 лет назад

      +Travis B coley shanoz

    • @Clavichordist
      @Clavichordist 8 лет назад

      +Siskin's Bits and Bobs I had a fish tank heater crack once and it fried, I mean boiled, my fish!

  •  8 лет назад +35

    It's a common practice in certain, let's say "odd" countries to earth every socket to the nearest conductive waterpipe. I wonder if people install these so that they "ground" it directly to the incoming water pipe...

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  8 лет назад +5

      +Toni Lähdekorpi To be fair, is the pipe was buried in the wall, and better still came from below then it would at least create an equipotential zone.

    •  8 лет назад +18

      bigclivedotcom That works in theory, yes. And will be just fine in most cases.
      But the problem is that it becomes "the norm" and people with no understanding of anything start to do it without having a clue on what they are grounding things into.
      In extreme cases people might be grounding things to plastic pipes... I've seen those, sadly.

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  8 лет назад +14

      +Toni Lähdekorpi Best "ground" I've seen was a very large earth wire bolted to a brick wall with a rawlbolt.

    •  8 лет назад +4

      +bigclivedotcom I would've loved to see the "desing meeting" where that solution was laid out...

    • @peto22
      @peto22 8 лет назад

      +Sebas Eu I'm not sure which country Toni referred to but in Finland, where I live pipes are generally made of plastic. Old houses also have copper pipes and iron sewers but they begin to be already in need of renovation. In addition, nothing are grounded through the pipeline even though metal pipes supposed to be grounded. I must say though that my heat distribution room is plumbed with copper pipe despite all the incoming and outgoing pipes are made of plastic.
      I've never seen electric shower heads, not even in Brazil (I was on a business trip in Sorocaba, a few months ago)

  • @Alan-B
    @Alan-B 2 года назад +1

    The little hose is not a blow off. Its just a spray hose to rinse off with. The water follows the path of least resistance when you full the little knob. Use these for over 30 years. Don't ever use a plastic pipe to the unit or pvc in the wall. Ground the pipe and metal extension well and it will never, ever shock you.

    • @Alan-B
      @Alan-B 2 года назад

      The Brazilian Lorenzetti are the best I've ever used.

  • @here-right-here
    @here-right-here Год назад

    The little hose that comes off the shower head is for rinsing your difficult to reach areas. My landlord says we can't use the warmer setting - it will burn out the shower. The lower the pressure, the hotter it gets.
    We used one at a hotel that had a fuse in it somewhere. They had to change it as we had no warm water the first night.

  • @JaguarGames1337
    @JaguarGames1337 7 лет назад +3

    why tf am i watching this randomly at 4 in the morning?

  • @YdenPL
    @YdenPL 7 лет назад +37

    oh yas, suicide shower, somethin for me

  • @jasonjanes9756
    @jasonjanes9756 8 лет назад +5

    Hey clive, I live in mexico and these are fairly common here. I had one in my house for a while. Even with proper ground there was a slight electrical "tingle" when touching the shower head. You are wrong about one thing though. the long tube that your said was some sort of pressure relief is actually not a safety mechanism. it is for washing your arse... That aside these things are definitely sketchy but I used it for about 3 years and am still alive...

  • @lgugue
    @lgugue 8 лет назад

    If it's properly connected with brass connectors and 6mm2 wires for 220-250V directly from electric box, it's harmless, the main problem with electric showers with bare coil heater is leakage current in underrated circuits. A shower like this in a sturdy and well dimensioned circuit will be long lasting and will provide hot bath even in cold seasons. In 220 - 250V it's even better, because you can choose for a model even powerful, rated at 7.8kW in the max. level for the European winter.
    Bare coil heater doesn't require fuses or thermostat because the coil heater will be act like a fuse in case of an overload power or lack of water. Bare coil heater is cheap and easy to replace, the main issue is the terrifying sound of high voltage arc light when it's working, but it's safer than a hair dryer - if well installed...

  • @florawoundedrock
    @florawoundedrock 7 лет назад +1

    I often wondered about this product. I am so happy to have found this video. It's like playing comma- causey with taking a shower. This is the kind of thing I would put a bucket under and take a bucket shower. I hope people with little understanding of electricity would do some research on. ( sorry if I messed up. My finger is broke.)

  • @MartKencuda
    @MartKencuda 8 лет назад +22

    So it's a toaster in a showerhear. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it wasn't that.

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 8 лет назад +11

      +Rabid Rabbit Rabbi There's a switch to adjust how dark you want your human to be.

  • @CapitaoAmerica737
    @CapitaoAmerica737 7 лет назад +20

    I use it everyday, I ain't afraid of it.

  • @Kiyomi123Gaming
    @Kiyomi123Gaming 7 лет назад +21

    Suicide shower? Where can I buy this?!?!

  • @MisterMatheusNeves
    @MisterMatheusNeves 5 лет назад

    The answer why we use these in Brazil is simple. The electrical bill here is very cheap because we have a lot of hydroelectric facilities, in the other hand we don't have any natural gas sufficiency. If you install these electrical shower properly and use good products with more safety features (better ones that the one reviewed in the video) it's as safe as a central heated ones.

  • @33hegemon
    @33hegemon 7 лет назад

    It just makes showering that little bit more exciting, because you never know if you will survive.

  • @marcioastorpooter9156
    @marcioastorpooter9156 7 лет назад +5

    200 million brazilians use that kind of shower everyday. I am one of them. Never heard about any case of death or even someone that got hurt from using it. And these showers have been around for at least 50 years.

  • @AdaptorLive
    @AdaptorLive 7 лет назад +3

    I've definitely been buzzed by these things a few times. Luckily the countries where I encountered them have climates that are perfect for nice, cold showers :)
    Your Spanish is great btw :D

  • @Donnwestt
    @Donnwestt 8 лет назад +8

    This one must be an extremely cheap Chinese knockoff, i have one made by "Lorenzetti" installed in my home for about 5+ years now, it seems to be really well made.

  • @Tumathy
    @Tumathy 2 года назад

    Used these all my life, still do, no grounding, never had an incident, these are standard in Brazil. Great video as always Clive.

  • @ahmeterhanarik
    @ahmeterhanarik Год назад

    That was the most charismatic "Shall we..." ever.

  • @michaelbianchi22
    @michaelbianchi22 7 лет назад +16

    Instead of hooking into the mains, wouldn't it be safer to give a waterproof battery pack and stick a 9V or a couple of D cells in there?

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  7 лет назад +25

      These things are rated about 5000W so the battery pack would have to deliver about 1000A for the duration of the shower.

    • @michaelbianchi22
      @michaelbianchi22 7 лет назад +7

      Yikes... would need a pretty large pack then...

    • @mtsn
      @mtsn 7 лет назад +14

      not very safe for your bank account

    • @yosefmacgruber1920
      @yosefmacgruber1920 7 лет назад

      What about using an isolation transformer? Would that do much to make it safer?

    • @BigClive
      @BigClive  7 лет назад +3

      Yosef MacGruber The cost of a 5000VA (5kVA) transformer would be huge.

  • @juststayalive839
    @juststayalive839 7 лет назад +3

    This can't meet regulations here in the US.

  • @noanoxan
    @noanoxan 8 лет назад +6

    Why don't people just stand in the rain, like I do, when they want to shower?

    • @Solocat1
      @Solocat1 5 лет назад

      You live in North Queensland during the wet. Fine.

  • @lelol7
    @lelol7 7 лет назад +2

    Hello, I'm a Brasilian that has travelled and lived in many countries so far in my life, I am currently visiting Brasil and staying in my grandmother's house. The guest bathroom also has this shower installment and she provided us with a small, thing table-cloth towel to use to grip, and turn the handle. Unfortunately, it has many holes in its design, and this negates the intended purpose of it in the first place as it still electrocutes you... Nonetheless I just wanted to share my personal experience with you all, thanks for reading!

    • @grimjudgment6527
      @grimjudgment6527 7 лет назад

      Lelol 7
      Hello, I don't mean to nitpick you, but just for a quick English lesson:
      Electrocution means dying from being shocked.
      I think you meant to say it still shocks you, not electrocutes you.
      (I'm informing you because I can guess that if you're from Brazil, English may not be your second language.)

    • @lelol7
      @lelol7 7 лет назад

      Grim Judgment Thank you for that, I just spotted my mistake :)
      Just one thing as well, I also don't mean this in any bad manner, but I believe you meant to say that English is not my first language, OR that English is my second language. Not to worry, you were able to get your message across and it's a simple mixup. Thank you for the help, sincerely. Best wishes, Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year :)

    • @grimjudgment6527
      @grimjudgment6527 7 лет назад

      Lelol 7​
      Oh yes, that was my mistake!
      Yeah, it's like 11:42PM here where I live, and it's about to be officially Christmas, so I stay up until it's Christmas and annoy all my friends like a child.
      Anyways, my bad.
      ~Merry Christmas, friend.

  • @ttiization
    @ttiization 7 лет назад

    We have this type of shower everywhere basicly in Brazil. It's pretty safe man, no one ever died eletrified with that. We use cause we have kinda warm water, so no need to ultra hot gas devices, this do the job perfectly