I Exposed Paprium...

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024

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  • @Goati_
    @Goati_  2 года назад +29

    I have put my life on the line for this video, please leave a comment 👽

    • @RetroSegaDev
      @RetroSegaDev 2 года назад +3

      I hope you've gone undercover and got your real name changed!

    • @pferreira1983
      @pferreira1983 2 года назад +1

      I'd move to the alien planet you think these guys are coming from if I were you. 🤣

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      @@pferreira1983 fulltime alien gamer motivator

    • @pferreira1983
      @pferreira1983 2 года назад +1

      @@Goati_ Might be because I'm a Sega fan. We're like that. 😂

  • @shattercross
    @shattercross 2 года назад +16

    Clearly these people are living in denial if they think you can jump kick through SoR 2. Donovan’s sole purpose is to wreck your shit if you try to jump over him.

    • @DJ239
      @DJ239 2 года назад

      What in the world are they talking about? If I jump kick too much in SOR Garcia or the shades guy uppercuts the shit outta me. Meanwhile in Paprium, I can jump kick in place and hit multiple times for way more damage than the standing B combo.

  • @Astfgl
    @Astfgl 2 года назад +13

    It's been nearly a year since Paprium came out and man... I am so torn on my feelings about it. I thoroughly enjoyed it at first and hearing the game's fantastic music in the background of your video instantly takes me back to that brief moment in time when the game hit all the right notes for me. But gradually Paprium unveiled itself for what it really is: a poorly designed repetitive grindfest. I did a long Let's Play series on YT where I tried to go through all the different paths and show the various endings (insofar as they're actually distinct from each other). That completely burned me out on Paprium and now I can't stand the sight of it anymore. Not to mention all the drama surrounding this title that is still going on to this day, which has soured me even more. The music is still excellent though, honestly it deserved a better game to go along with it.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +2

      Maybe I didn't have any investment (physical or emotional) I was bothered by, but I enjoy the drama surrounding Paprium

  • @zerocool1ist
    @zerocool1ist 2 года назад +5

    Its crazy this game is ranging from 500$ up to 1000$ from sellers. I recall someone leaking all the sprite sheets of paprium so technically you could make your own game.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +2

      REsellers ;) Somebody is reverse engineering the game on twitter, yes, pretty interesting finds

  • @Chocl8Surprise
    @Chocl8Surprise 2 года назад +10

    Beating streets of rage 2 on hardest difficulty just by jump kicking is your next challenge.
    (This comment is sponsored by Alienware ™)

  • @st1ka
    @st1ka 2 года назад +7

    Haha, yes, I really love Paprium, but to be fair, I did notice and I think pointed out most of the flaws on my review xD
    I think the game is very flawed, but I think it makes up for it with its lenght and level / character / unlockables. Not saying you don't raise good points mind you, if anything I agree with you. Just that this is one of those cases where ironically, I think that even if the quality isn't the best, the quantity makes up for it ^__^

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +5

      Oh yeah I've watched it, I'm just glad to receive nice comments from people with a different opinion :) the Paprium fanbase can get heated

    • @st1ka
      @st1ka 2 года назад +2

      @@Goati_ yeah, Paprium can bring out the worst in people imo

    • @creativecatproductions
      @creativecatproductions 2 года назад

      Paprium has a lot of style….nauseating style….but very little substance. If the development story behind Paprium weren’t so insane, then Im not sure anyone would have treated this game with any more hype than any other homebrew. It should be on the Evercade by now. This is a great video by the way. 😊

    • @creativecatproductions
      @creativecatproductions 2 года назад

      I jump kicked my way through high school. Got into UCLA on a full scholarship.

    • @AB0BA_69
      @AB0BA_69 5 месяцев назад

      @@st1ka10:21 This you?
      No idea why anyone takes your opinion on games seriously 😂

  • @amaweksIII
    @amaweksIII 6 месяцев назад +2

    It's 2024 amd my Brother are still waiting for his copy of the cartridge. Looks like there is a lot of other buyers on the same situation.

  • @Mentski
    @Mentski 2 года назад +4

    I made a Paprium video a few months ago calling out similar issues to you.
    Luis came into the comments pretending to be "just another dude", and attempting damage control. I knew who he was, I called him out... Post mysteriously deleted.
    He even joined my discord where I gave him the honorary title "WATERMELON SPY". Heh.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      I had seen your video already and left a comment! :)

  • @andycraig7734
    @andycraig7734 2 года назад +2

    When that alien pulled out that head sweatband, for a moment I thought it was about to put on the Paprium leather thong!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      maybe that's where they have their more sensitive parts

  • @grittynerd
    @grittynerd 2 года назад +5

    I've seen other indie titles having similar gameplay issues, maybe development is more art driven than anything else? Artists wanting to do games that in various cases lowers the priority of creating a solid gameplay (unless they are so into a genre that they understand which level of things you need to have at least to have a decent gameplay). Things made worse by little (or useful) feedback that could push for iterating over the mechanics to create something unique, or long ass development time that rarely is used to polish things up (but to reach bare level of decency because something went wrong over the years).

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      I think it's mostly that last thing you mentioned... Priorities definitely weren't straight in this one and making a good beat 'em up isn't easy!

  • @chrisb1236
    @chrisb1236 2 года назад +2

    Interesting review. I hope they iron out some of those issues with the updated version.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      I really don't expect them to!

  • @kamehamedouken8869
    @kamehamedouken8869 2 года назад +1

    This was great dude, glad to see you're pumping out great classic game content still

  • @BloggosPow
    @BloggosPow 2 года назад +3

    As an extraterrestrial I feel a whole lot better about my life. Subscribed

  • @KaskelotenZebbe
    @KaskelotenZebbe 2 года назад +9

    By far the best video I've seen in a long, long time. In depth analysis with good examples and easy to understand. Also fair, balanced and respectful to people who disagree. Splendid work!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +2

      My man Zebbe you're in the credits but I think you might be an earthling..

  • @fazares
    @fazares 2 года назад +3

    Fantastic review....very analytical...keep up the good job

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      Grazie :)

  • @creativecatproductions
    @creativecatproductions Год назад

    This is such an underrated video and channel.

  • @Enoby_Darkness
    @Enoby_Darkness 2 года назад +5

    i'm pretty much 100% with this. The game is also kinda glitchy, like the teleportation stuff.
    Can't say i'm surprised the game turned out the way it did. From what I've heard and played of it, their previous game Pier Solar was rough. Good in certain ways but very lacking in others. Of course, you had many people saying it was an amazing game simply because it was a homebrew game on a real cart, but that's how it goes.
    i still like the game, just the core gameplay is severely lacking.

  • @supersexysega
    @supersexysega 2 года назад +2

    Kickass video. Pretty much agree on what makes a beat em up "good/rewarding". Lots of people simply disagree with our outlook considering the SNES is full of cake walk beat em ups (Final Fight 2 and 3) that have hoards of fans.
    With Paprium I kept my expectations extremely low and they were exceeded. I knew a competent A.I. and balanced combat system would be the hardest things to implement. Like you said graphics, presentation, music, stage variety were incredible and for me Paprium was good enough.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video and had your fun with the game, too

  • @Daniel-it1dp
    @Daniel-it1dp 2 года назад +1

    I would still like to play it without having to pay $500-800 on eBay or wait a whole year via Kickstarter. Despite the flaws you mention it seems like an enjoyable game and I love the look and music from what I’ve seen.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      Music is easily my favourite part! I hope you get to try it yourself

  • @TheBuzzati
    @TheBuzzati 2 года назад +4

    Lol at those forum posts

  • @finaltheorygames1781
    @finaltheorygames1781 2 года назад +2

    I think the game can be fixed, all you have to do is math a rom hack of the game that changes the AI or difficulty. Then patch it with the updater thing on the cartridge. Or once the game is playable on flashcart then just play the hacked version that fixes all of these things.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      I think they don't have any resources to bleed more money on the game, plus it'd be a lot of work to make it good

  • @owlnonymous
    @owlnonymous 2 года назад +1

    Well that took a turn. Fun vid! Thanks for making. 👽

  • @missile-shapedbourbon4060
    @missile-shapedbourbon4060 2 года назад +1

    Been watching your streams for a while, nice seeing you here also wirh this different content model. Keep them videos coming!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      thanks! :) more coming.

  • @seanrobinson4894
    @seanrobinson4894 2 года назад +1

    Great video! What is the Mega Drive homebrew at around 0:40 with the anime-looking cover? I don't recognize it.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      Hmm maybe 16-bit Rhythm Land? Or the Japanese cover for Tanzer

    • @seanrobinson4894
      @seanrobinson4894 2 года назад

      @@Goati_ Maybe, the woman being dipped by the guy in a suit and tie with a rictus grin has similar armor as the protagonist in Tanzer. I've never seen that cover before!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      @@seanrobinson4894 Yeah that's Tanzer, it's the best one to come out yet imho.

  • @WinAFreeAppleIPod
    @WinAFreeAppleIPod 2 года назад +1

    this video is so slick I slipped and fell! commenting from the hospital, and enjoying the video! I will be suing you soon for causing this fall

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      you aren't accustomed to our gravity yet

  • @dieinfire920
    @dieinfire920 Год назад +1

    Good review on a very entertaining video!

  • @Franken981
    @Franken981 2 года назад +1

    Goati_ is a movie director now.

  • @colonelsandwich641
    @colonelsandwich641 2 года назад +1

    I think I completely understand why so many people swear up and down on the effectiveness of jump kicks in beat em ups: when you die or continue in a beat em up, you respawn right there on the spot, which means you can eventually power your way through with jump kicks if you're persistent enough. Sure, you won't be getting any 1cc's that way but it will _eventually_ get you to the end of the game, especially since jump kicks are admittedly rather effective on large groups of enemies in most beat em ups.
    It's a bit unfortunate, because had more beat em ups opted for maybe a checkpoint approach instead, I think more people would realize that constantly jump kicking shit doesn't always work lol. It also kinda leads to a misunderstanding of the genre in a lot of people since you can get your way through most beat em ups just by credit feeding without learning how the game works mechanically. I think Fight n Rage had the right idea, dying lets you respawn on the spot but if you continue you get sent back to the beginning of the current room. It's stuff like that which makes it easy to tell which beat em ups are made by people who understand what makes the genre great versus games like Paprium that were likely made by people with a bit more of a surface-level understanding of beat em up mechanics. Not saying Paprium is bad though, it's incredibly ambitious and technically impressive! It's just easy to tell even by just watching videos that the gameplay is a bit lacking haha
    Great vid btw, that last segment was wonderful lol

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! Has to be said that arcade games have to let you continue on the spot though, otherwise you wouldn't be as enticed to spend another quarter :)

    • @colonelsandwich641
      @colonelsandwich641 2 года назад +1

      @@Goati_ Very true, especially since most beat em ups tend to be pretty long which would make checkpoints a pain in the ass. That's why I think more modern games in the genre should really take advantage of the fact that they're no longer bound to arcade limitations! There's a lot of room for cool ideas like the aforementioned Fight n Rage system of continuing

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      @@colonelsandwich641 I couldn't get into Fight 'n' Rage much, didn't like all the digital smear on the pixelart but I've always wanted to revisit it.
      I still think the old formula is fine and the jump attacks get you nowhere in 99% of arcade beat 'em ups, which I actually proved on Twitch by playing a credit for every single one with jump attacks only but I still have to find the time to make that video :P

    • @colonelsandwich641
      @colonelsandwich641 2 года назад +1

      @@Goati_ Shame because the pixel art and animations are great, but I agree that the filters and stuff don't look too good. Would love to see that jump kick vid lmao

  • @aryinc
    @aryinc Год назад +1

    Because many since 2018 still haven't got their copy.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  Год назад

      I don't know if all of the original investors from way before 2018 got their copies...

    • @aryinc
      @aryinc Год назад +1

      @@Goati_ don't know either. i'm kinda lost on this subject matter. can't even reply anymore to them.The good hope is kinda gone.

  • @robertmarshall2380
    @robertmarshall2380 2 года назад +1

    I just wish I could buy it and play it for myself lol I was too late to the game

  • @Bashento
    @Bashento 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for the video, very informative and creative.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  4 месяца назад

      happy you liked it!

  • @juantossici7462
    @juantossici7462 2 года назад +1

    I ´ve Knew it! For weeks the strange feeling was "this game is a big piece of crap" Thanks for this video!!!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      you're being too rude on our outside friends!
      Glad you enjoyed the video :)

  • @martinlangstrom8036
    @martinlangstrom8036 2 года назад +6

    Paprium is amazing. Fun gameplay, amazing graphics and artstyle. The music is top notch. But everyone has right to have other opinions. I love it anyway😊👍

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      you are a good dude

  • @ChandlerVanFossen
    @ChandlerVanFossen 2 года назад

    Funny thing about the art direction, it turns out that some of the sprites have been traced. Not just the “Shiva Kick” that we know, but a bunch of the sprites. Look up ProjectLittleMan (with Paprium) and you’ll see.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      yeah the sprite tracing has been obvious since stuff was shown first years ago, mostly from King of Fighters if I recall.

    • @ChandlerVanFossen
      @ChandlerVanFossen 2 года назад

      @@Goati_ Welp, shows how late to party I am. Cuz I just realized it upon further…uh…realization. XD

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      @@ChandlerVanFossen there's definitely a lot of realizations to make here!

  • @segajsaturn6036
    @segajsaturn6036 2 года назад +1

    A different take for sure, but you bring up many good points. Amazing quality video! 👍

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      glad you liked it :)

  • @finaltheorygames1781
    @finaltheorygames1781 2 года назад +2

    This was actually a funny and interesting video.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      Thank you, glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @liliIiliIilil
    @liliIiliIilil 2 года назад +1

    Great video, Goati Underscore!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      thanks :)

  • @FatDragonHats
    @FatDragonHats 2 года назад +2

    This video made me feel things in my pants, thanks 👍🏽

  • @uhhh_adam
    @uhhh_adam 2 года назад +1

    Get rekt zredgemz

  • @superbn0va
    @superbn0va 2 года назад

    Difficulty update is coming…

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      I wouldn't expect a new AI!

  • @StephenYarbrough
    @StephenYarbrough 2 года назад +1

    wow I had to pause almost immediately. You must be some sort of god-tier gamer. Paprium on Paprium difficulty is not easy or trivial by any means. Let's see what else you have to say.....

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      Thanks for commenting!
      Unfortunately all I had to do was jump attack through those difficulties and through every single enemy or boss. The only boss that has some priority VS that is the fat one on that flying vehicle, his charge will actually hit you in the air.

    • @StephenYarbrough
      @StephenYarbrough 2 года назад +1

      @@Goati_ Showtime on the flying pad? I don't even jump kick that guy. He's more fun to grab and punch in the face. So have you gotten the good ending on Paprium difficulty in Original mode? I've been struggling to get all 3 thrones even WITH cheesing the jump kick. I will admit the couple times I've played Arcade mode with a friend it did seem particularly easier than what I'm used to.....

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      @@StephenYarbrough No it's not Showtime, it's a massively fat guy on some flying car in one of the underground paths.
      I think I've gotten the "good ending" which locks your savefile in Original mode on Very Hard, but I did play through the game on Paprium difficulty as well

    • @StephenYarbrough
      @StephenYarbrough 2 года назад

      @@Goati_ you only get the good ending if you completed all the missions for all 3 thrones. You can still lock your save if you beat the final boss and didn't get all the thrones or do the missions. That's what I'm struggling with right now. Even with jump kicking the hell out of everything Paprium difficulty is giving me a good fight trying to get all thrones and complete all the missions

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      Yeah you can see the "good" ending at 5:20 I think.
      Those "missions" are sadly pure nothingness, nothing new happens, just flavourless asset recycling.

  • @RetroSegaDev
    @RetroSegaDev 2 года назад +2

    Dude this is a great video!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      Hey I know you!
      Thanks :)

    • @RetroSegaDev
      @RetroSegaDev 2 года назад +1

      @@Goati_ you're welcome 😁 The production quality is nuts 👍

  • @pferreira1983
    @pferreira1983 2 года назад

    I have to disagree. Those negatives you list could be considered qualities. Paprium I'm starting to realise is quite an influential game. The sheer size of the game, the amount of branching paths, the longevity and the way it evolves the genre with stuff like its RPG elements of conquering places gave the beat'em up genre the shot in the arm it desperately needed.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +1

      Branching paths and unlockables are definitely qualities, the point I was making is that they had priority over actual core qualities like enemy AI, hit detection, variety...
      I do appreciate the cool stuff Paprium does, but let's not elevate it to any evolution of the genre, the capcom d&d games and taiwanese dev IGS were doing that on arcades on actual masterpiece games

    • @pferreira1983
      @pferreira1983 2 года назад

      @@Goati_ I don't know man. It's not my personal favourite beat'em up but I can't argue it isn't one of the best ones in years in terms of how it evolves the genre past simply moving across a world map. Sure the D&D games did nice things but Paprium has more impressive stuff going on with its freedom and longevity. 😊

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      @@pferreira1983 I can't help but recommend a revisit of shadows over mystara, definitely not my favourite but the polish and consistency can't be compared to something like paprium ;) but hey I respect paprium having its fanbase

    • @pferreira1983
      @pferreira1983 2 года назад

      @@Goati_ Oh I've played both D&D games by Capcom. I actually still have the games currently installed on my Steam profile. Like I said there do a bit more than the average beat'em up but Paprium did some new cool things. I absolutely hate the development cycle of the game but I hate to admit the end result is very impressive.

  • @BerryZitoo
    @BerryZitoo 2 года назад

    it's coming to next gen now !

  • @desmoAle121
    @desmoAle121 2 года назад +1

    PIERAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • @gc3k
    @gc3k 2 года назад

    I'm not yet able to compare classic beat em ups with a title that's exclusive to specific models of a nearly 35 year old console... but come on, jump kicks are the bread and butter of the whole beat em up genre. Not 100% of the time, but see how far you'll get in a game like SoR2 Mania without jump-kicking

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +3

      see how far you get in any arcade or MD beat 'em up by only jump kicking. Then do the same with Paprium.
      I actually did just that on twitch, I even blindfolded myself for paprium, only used jump attacks and got farther than in 100+ other beat' em ups.
      A video will come on the matter :)

  • @C0rnM0
    @C0rnM0 2 года назад +1

    Lol aliens

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      it's true I swear

    • @C0rnM0
      @C0rnM0 2 года назад +1

      @@Goati_ I believe

  • @razerow3391
    @razerow3391 2 года назад +1

    Actually you can use just one move to beat Final Fight and Double Dragon. Streets of Rage was also fairly easy to spam. I dont know about Golden Axe as it's shit and boring and overrated by people that I don't think really played it.
    This is such a hipster video. The fact he has to keep repeatedly reminding us that he "just likes games" kinda sums it all up.
    If I have to keep saying "I am a good person" am I really? If I say "I am not angry" repeatedly it means I probably am. I believe the quote is "I do believe the lady doth protest too much" ...

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад +2

      ahah yeah beat final fight with 1 move then ask the operator if you can get back those fifty dollars you left in the cab ;)

  • @TVsMrNeil
    @TVsMrNeil 2 года назад +1

    10:26 Haha! Luis Martins is the primary artist on Paprium and Fonzie's #1 stooge. He doesn't reply to anyone's tweets to say anything productive. He just gainsays everything to win.
    Case in point: When the person he's talking to makes a point to say how worthless a jump-kick strategy would be in Final Fight by an exaggerated number of quarters it would take on the arcade machine, Luis replies with a complete non sequitur. "Are you saying Final Fight is only in arcades?" They were making a point about the jump-kick strat, Luis!

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      I have seen a lot of his tweets being deleted and a lot of weird interactions, but the truth is out there... 👽

    • @retromegabitsegadude
      @retromegabitsegadude 2 года назад

      Over the years I've seen Luis work very hard to trying to get Paprium to release even when things were out of his control. He has taken a lot of heat that I feel has not been justified. People like to judge without really knowing. There is a cost to this behavior. It's not justice, it's harmful.

    • @Goati_
      @Goati_  2 года назад

      ​@@retromegabitsegadude hey Dude!
      Video aside, I think Luis has been too active on other people's twitter threads about the game, and multiple people got annoyed at him because of it, resulting in deleted tweets on one side and blocks on the other.
      PR is its own job and, notoriously, Watermelon's approach at it has been pretty... alien.
      But, again, this is just to reply to this comment, the video isn't really putting the heat on anybody, Luis said he liked it!

    • @retromegabitsegadude
      @retromegabitsegadude 2 года назад

      @@Goati_ I also enjoyed your video. I was bothered by a comment calling Luis a stooge. Not from anything you said. I've tried to put myself into Luis' shoes. I can't imagine what it's like having so much negativity directed towards one person. I'm sure this has affected his behavior at times.
      I am happy to have had Luis out there doing what he can to help save and rebuild WM and Paprium.