Blackberry Cuttings Fail and What I Do Instead
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Blackberry Cuttings using primocanes and floricanes - fail and what I do instead. With cuttings you have to mist often and worry about moisture levels. Tip and Serpentine layering is simple and less work. This video shows the cuttings process and then easier tip layering and serpentine layering.
I really like videos that show fails as well as successes. Thanks for the time and effort to help us.
I like those too. Thanks for commenting and for watching!
Hi there . I have experimented with propagating from cuttings, a few things I do are I use potting soil, a 6-8 inch piece of the primocane (the main thing is you want 3 nodes in dirt and 3 above) remove all the leaves except the 2 at the top or all of them. The stem should be as thick as a pencil. Dip the rooting end in a chunk of aloe vera plant so its coated. It acts as a rooting hormone and keep out of direct sunlight and constantly moist. A bigger container wiuld help with that. Late summer/ early fall is the perfect time for this method. Good luck in your adventures!
I like this idea using aloe vera - I did not want to use a rooting hormone so if the aloe helps I’ll give it a try! Thanks for the idea!
@@TheTexasGardener you can also use Honey
@@TheTexasGardenerwillow tea is the best rooting hormone. Soak a bunch of willow cuttings in water for a week. Toss or plant. The stick you blkberries in willow's tea.
@@crabtrap Interesting - thanks for the idea!
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I understand pond water is the best water to use for rooting also.
I have a freshly planted Mulberry that was too far away from the hose to reach. So I used pond water because it was closer! I have well water so it's not full of the scrap city water has!
Anyway it was doing great until a deer browse it down to nearly nothing!
Ya just gotta love Texas!
Wow. Serpentine layering. I'd never seen that before. Genius!! Thanks for sharing!
Hope it helps you! What variety of blackberries are you growing? Thanks for watching!
Cuttings with leaves must at least be tightly covered with a plastic bag and put where no direct sun can hit it. The professional way is in a mist propagation chamber (like a cold frame set-up) with a misting nozzle set on a timer to come on briefly (like 2 minutes) at least once per hour during daylight hours. This can be kept in a location with brighter light.
I rooted mine from fall to spring. I followed advice from another. I simply took the tip of my cane, removed the leaves about six inches up, then buried that tip into a pot of soil, watered well. I only watered the day I did them knowing winter here in the north would water them. I did seven pots, every single pot had very nice roots. I just planted all of them this past week.
Nice!
Never seen tip layering before. Definitely going to try this!
Tip layering works well. Use clear containers so you can easily see the roots and give them away or sell them. Let me know how it goes for you. Thanks for watching!
When propagating from cuttings get rid of all leaves. Cut the cuttings about 6 to 7 inches long and put it inside the perilite (or perilite and sand mix). Keep it moist, and away from direct sunlight.
Additionally you could soak the business end (the one that goes into the ground) with a willow water , or honey, or cinnamon to prevent it from rotting.
Good luck with your projects !
Several have now said to use cinnamon - I’m going to try that. Thanks and thanks for commenting!
@@TheTexasGardenertry willow water, its what they make rooting hormone from (and asperin too!)
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One other thing I found out about a few months ago. The noid where the leaves come out, has more "hormone" than the plan steam.
So my bottom cut is at a noid!
WOW, genius. Cant wait to try the serpentine method. Love it!
Cuttings work well for others but for me I have more success with tip and serpentine layering. Let me know how it goes for you! Thanks for watching!
I do a lot of different techniques at different times but found some of the thornles like black satin root great in plain water with no or little leaves abot 8 inch cuttings.
I have not tried water only yet - I will experiment with that!
I just took "hardwood" cuttings in late winter...about 50 of them and stuck them in a couple of trade gallon pots....and now April...I have dozens of blackberry plants.
Were those the 1st year canes or canes that had fruit on them? About to try this with mine come autumn. Thanks!
When you emptied out the soil it looked very dry ,and I suspect there was not enough moisture...Ashley.
Possibly - thanks for sharing!
I came here to say same thing. Dry!
Since they can absorb water through the stem that is stuck underground, and loose water through any surface above ground, I stick everything in the ground except for the very top with usually just 1 bud and remove most or all leaves (so about 80% of stem below ground). Also summer heat is not usefull for most, so I generally had more success with fall cuttings.
Think my successfull blackberry cuttings were also taken in fall.
Interesting technique to place them so far in the soil. I may try that!
I cover the clipping with a (blue or green) plastic bottle that traps moisture inside & stops the stems from drying up. Also had some great success using blue recycling bags. They have to be in the sun, but not too hot, so the bottles/bags sweat. Seal the bag with a twist so air don't get in & dry the cuttings
In the market for blue storage containers. They act like a mini greenhouse.
I am going to try this! Thanks!
What is a blue recycling bag? What do you mean blue recycling containers? I’m obviously ignorant here, my apologies. The only blue recycling container I know is a huge trash bin on wheels
I like the tip method best thanks for the education.
Thanks for watching!
Love the leap frog blackberry method haha
Works well! Thanks for watching!
I usually remove all of the leaves but tbh I like your method of burning the tip in a cup so much better
I left too many leaves on in the past. If I were to do cutting again I’d make some changes but I find tip layering works well for me. Thanks for watching!
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I tried 6 cutting this past spring. None had any leaves...one of the six started to bud, but I got to water it one week and it died!
So a few things are problematic with your technique. First and foremost you are way too late in the year to try to root cuttings. You have to take the cuttings early in the spring just after the plant starts growing and is still somewhat tender. Use only primocane cuttings. Floricane energy is focused on producing berries not new canes. Some people say it’s doesn’t make a difference but clearly the genetic info changes as primocanes are 5 leaf, floricanes are 3 leaf so something happens as it over winters. Use Cuttings no bigger than pencil diameter. You have to keep the cuttings out of the heat and direct sunlight. A warm (not hot) shady spot with indirect sunlight is good.
Try this next time, use a large ziplock (gallon or 2.5 gallon) filled about 3/4 full of damp (not wet or it will cause mold) peat moss. Potting soil can hold too much water. Put your cuttings in the peat and close the top. Sit them in a shady spot. After a week or two you should see growth started. Good luck
Those aren't root cuttings.
@@markstuber4731 You should read more carefully. I didnt say they were “root cuttings”. I said it was too late to try and root cuttings. That means trying to get cuttings to root.
I will give that a try! Thanks!
@@TheTexasGardener The comment from Jeff is spot on. The most important thing from my experience is creating a moisture dome, using a ziplock bag in Jeff's example. I use plastic seetru covers from cakes, large bottles, etc. I use peat moss, vermiculite and soil mix.
Tip rooting is by far the best way to get a new blackberry plant. You can tell if it is rooted by looking at the cane to see if it has started branching out. Though using a container you can see through works as well.
As for growing cuttings (this is for all cutting not just blackberries) you picked the worst possible way. Throwing compost in with something that has no roots does absolutely zero to help in rooting. Any nutrients in the soil can’t be up-taken because it has NO roots and is detrimental. You are putting an open wound in a substrate that has bacteria and fungus in it. Your substrate for any cutting should be inert. My favorite is using playground sand. My success rate jumped for all cuttings. I use to do the 100% water method for most things and the success rate was right around 50%. Using sand my success rate is around 90%. Plus it’s easy to check to see if it has roots without damaging them by gently pouring it out unlike some other substrates that you can use. I suggest using a cup that you can flex without breaking because normally you will need to massage the sides just a little bit to get the flow going.
Something you could do to help with the rooting is use a container and make a small temporary greenhouse. You don’t want it in direct sun because the temperature will get too hot. What this does is help with humidity and soil moisture. That is how I propagate blueberries. It honestly cuts out a ton of work.
In the end though, I don’t know why you would want to root from a cutting, the tip method works every time and is very easy to do, plus it accomplishes cutting the tip off which should be done anyways to get bigger harvests next year.
I did the same as you but I watered it well twice a day. I’m getting ready to put them in the ground in a month.
Nice! Glad it worked well for you! I may try again but I’ve gotten used to tip layering and it works well for me! Thanks for watching!
@@TheTexasGardener Whatever makes it grow!😉❤️
This is my first go at blackberries, so I cant say if it will work or not? But it has worked on everything from oleanders to rose bushes to mulberry trees. But I just use spit and cinnamon and up to this point have had a pretty high rate of success getting them to root. From what I have gathered spit is just an old wives tale but cinnamon is a rooting hormone.Either way the spit helps the cinnamon stick to the cutting. But I just kinda suck on the end to get it wet (not oleander cuz i dont want to die, i just dipped it in water) I cant say if it works better or worse than a rooting hormone product but can and will say it definitely works. Also you might want to try covering the cuttings with a plastic bag or some kind of plastic bowl or lid to keep humidity trapped inside the cuttings environment. And last, you might want to try putting them in a jar with about 11/2" -2" of water. Then i put a plastic bag over the jar and secure it with a rubber band and set it in the window sill until it warms up outside. Nothing but regular water. You should change the water about every 3-4 days and in just a couple of weeks you will have a nice ball of roots on the end. Like I said I havent tried blackberries yet so I cant guarantee it will work? but It has worked on everything else I have tried except for vine rose bushes? Regular roses yes, but for some reason everything I have tried with the vine rose bush has failed? And also 1 of 2 things will happen, either they will put all there energy into making roots, but if they fail they will put all their energy into growing new leaves instead of roots. I hope this helps and works? Im excited to try blackberries, Im going to do both, some in potting soil and some in a jar of water.
Did you try blackberries and if so, how’d they do?! Thanks for watching!
That is the best way to do it. Success rate is high an simple
I keep my clippings in a cup of water for a couple weeks that seems to do the trick
I might give that a try! Thanks for watching!
Wonderful very helpful tyvm
Thank you and thanks for watching!
It's blackberries, just put the tip into soil and pin it down. Wait a month and cut the stem off the original plant. New plant 💜 works with figs as well. Happy growing 💜
Yes! That is what I do and what I recommend! Thanks for watching!
That definitely works! Do you know if it would work for blueberries? Thanks
@@sherrieblake8674 Yes ma'am it does.
@@JCC_1975 thanks! Its worked for me with blackberries, but I hadn’t tried it on blueberries. Cuttings never seem to do well for me.
@@sherrieblake8674 wishing you great success 💜
Gosh I have failed at every attempt, I’ll try this now.
Tip layering works well for me. Let me know how it goes and thanks for watching!
I used rooting hormone now after many cuttings fail, let’s see how they do. I also have a small plant that rooted next to the main plant and put that in a pot but it’s extremely sensitive once out of ground and into a pot.
I was trying not to use rooting hormone. I have a lot of success with tip and serpentine layering. Also, digging up the sucker plants. Between those three - I get a lot of propagation done! I hope yours go well! Thanks for watching!
The end of the cutting will scab over and not allow water to be drawn up into the stem. You could try cutting off the bottom 1/4" immediately before planting.
I will look into this. Thanks for watching!
Blackberry plants don't grow roots from the end of the stem like tomatoes do. New plants (roots, stem, leaves) grow from the nodes of the stem. If you look closely between stem and existing leaves, you will see a small growth in between. You want to bury two to three of these nodes and scratch the opposite side from this growth. This is where the roots will form and new plant will grow from node. Just sticking end of cutting in soil won't work.
I’ll try that!
On fig cuttings I use a mixture of cinnamon and honey instead of rooting hormone. I currently have four in containers and all four took root.
Interesting - I’m will try that! Thanks for watching!
@@TheTexasGardener Yeah give it a try. Don't water it down. Just pure thick honey and cinnamon mixed together. I use what is labeled True Cinnamon from Swanson Health Products. Just open a capsule and mix it with pure honey.
With fig cuttings I use the tall eleven inch plant containers and about foot long cuttings. Seems to give better success than with shorter cuttings.
Have not tried much. Layering them is easy. That said I've done cuttings in water that succeeded and in soil that failed.
I haven't tried cuttings in water yet - what plants work in water best for you? Thanks for watching!
WAY too dry.
I’ve tried both with a lot of moisture/misting and not a lot. I may try some other options but tip layering is my go to propagation method! Thanks for watching!
I use plastic bags from the grocery store. i try to use all clear ones from like the meat or produce aisles. But havent had any problems with white bags when thats all I had?
I may try again and will look at using something like plastic wrap or other materials to hold in moisture. Thanks for commenting and for watching! Let me know how your blackberry cuttings do!
If I start in March does that work too . The stems are still bare with no leaves
Usually you take them in fall. I prefer to do root cuttings or tip layering instead. I find those work better for me. I have some videos on this channel for both root cutting and tip layering. Thanks for watching and good luck!
Its not getting moisture from a host plant. Needs to be watered.
It has no roots watering it will do nothing
I have tried both a lot of moisture/misting and not a lot. Still haven’t had success with these cuttings. I may still experiment with some more options but tip layering works really well for me and that’s my go to propagation technique! Are you growing any blackberries? How are they doing? Thanks for watching!
How much water do you give your beginning rooted blackberries?
Not very at all since they are still connected to the parent plant and receive support that way. After I separate the tip layer blackberry plants I will water them a little more often than the in ground plants since they are in a small container. Are you growing a lot of blackberries? Thanks for watching!
When you serpentine layer do you strip off any of the skin that will in the part buried or remove any leaves and bury that portion? or just randomly bury a spot anywhere along the cane
With the trailing varieties I put the part where the leaf comes stem connects to the vine under the soil. Otherwise, scratching the skin seems to also help rooting. Thanks for watching.
@@TheTexasGardener Thanks will let you know how it works
Try putting a zip lock bag misted with water with a spray bottle I like to use a rubber band for extra humidity control mist plants and bag 2 times a day DO NOT OVER WATER SOIL SUBSTRATE VERY IMPORTANT..😅😅😅
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Wait longer, you didn't fail 😅. They require a lot of time to root. Use more cutting for greater chances of success. That table is probably too hot. The sun will heat the glass. You need a set up with plenty shade. An then build the root system. Next adjust to sunlight slowly start hardening off. If the leaves die that's ok it's no problem. You got too much light there or the temps too hot.
I kept them in the shade but I believe it was too hot overall and most likely did not keep them watered enough. I like to tip layer blackberry plants the best!
Have you tried rooting them in willow bark tea?
I have not - tell me more
I normally dont criticize someone taking the time to experiment on something, but as easily as the last two types of layerings are...
Why try something else?
I'm in Texas also, SE Texas...Magnolia area. So i know what your dealing with Temperature wise!
I planted two Blackberries plant last spring. Both are doing pretty good and i was looking for a way to make a few more plants.
LOL, cuttings is not going to be my method!😂 i would like to have at least 6 base plants.
I do some grafting and rooting cuttings. Ive had one Airlayer work. 4 that failed and one that rooted real good but high winds broke the limb right below the airlayer. It flopped around so much it broke off all the roots.
So the second half of the video was killer info! The first half really is, too! It shows us trying to root Blackberry cutting is a waste of time!
Oh, I am going to try it...again...yes, I've tried too root cuttings and three failed but one started budding! I.missed watering it one week and it died!
From what I've found. Direct sunlight...pure death to a cutting!
And I use those one gallon water bottles to make little terrariums to help keep the cutting in a moist atmosphere!
Put them in an area the sun never hits but you have overhead light!
Maybe your soil is good fertile ... have you ever tried rooting in play sand ?
I’ve never tried rooting blackberry cuttings in sand. I may try that - thanks for watching!
Maybe the reason they have failed it's the leafs that you left on ,you should cut all the leaf's to make the roots to grow.
I have tried various options and may try again with no leaves just as an experiment. Tip layering works really well for me. Thanks for watching!
Too much foliage is left on thus sucking the energy.
Yes, if I do cuttings again in the future I will remove much more foliage. I’m also going to try keeping about 3/4 of the entire cutting in the soil. Thanks for watching!
soil way
to dry