I still can't get over how silly "dark emu" is as a combination of words. Like it's trying to capture the gravitas of "black swan", but it's a gosh darn EMU. I liked your previous coverage of this topic. I found your coverage to be surprisingly even handed for something that is blatant crazy at first blush.
Dark Emu is a well-known Aboriginal Astronomical constellation that's outlined by dark areas of the night sky, not the stars. To find it, first locate the Southern Cross constellation above the southern horizon.
Thank you a voice of reason in a field that should never be politicised, History! You are not the only one who found the silence around the work as being a little odd.
@@nicktrueman224 well you might already know I am left wing myself, and I think it's extremely important for the left to call out this kind of disinformation precisely because if we don't then the right will, and they will absolutely not do it in good faith.
@@veritasetcaritas exactly one look at sky news and their hook is in this pie. And I find it to be a catalyst for just further dislike and mistrust. You absolutely correct! I try to tell people that there are some rather big question marks about this work but I usually get dismissed. At least I am not being labeled though.
@@nicktrueman224 there's an unfortunate kind of liberal over-correction of history which doesn't want to accept anything which could be perceived as critical of aboriginal or indigenous societies. Ironically this is often paired with a desire to represent these societies as being very much like modern Western societies. So it's still a kind of ethnocentrism, just trying to interpret pre-modern non-Western societies as modern Western societies.
Slight re-make to remove a photo the original creator recently sked me not to use. See my recent post explaining why I'll be re-uploading some of my older videos. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxpoFQ4prWOOTTmOiIz4-6fTFI3PFBq_6Z
1. For some right wing people it's important because they believe hunter gathering is a primitive and unsophisticated lifestyle, and they want to argue Aboriginal people were hunter gatherers because they think it gives them grounds to argue Aboriginal people were primitive and unintelligent. 2. For some liberal people it's important because they ALSO believe hunter gathering is a primitive and unsophisticated lifestyle, and they want to argue Aboriginal people were NOT hunter gatherers because they think ALSO think it gives the right wing grounds to argue Aboriginal people were primitive and unintelligent. 3. For anthropologists and historians it's important because they are interested in understanding anthropology and history. That's what they do. However, they argue hunter gathering is NOT a primitive and unsophisticated lifestyle, and they argue both hunter gathering and agriculture exist on a SPECTRUM of successively differentiated methods of resource collection and management, so they argue the hard distinction being made by the right wingers and liberals is an artificial one.
pascoe has received substantial grants to set up a farm to prove some of his theories about seed for breadmaking which he claims originated in aus. but its been an economic black hole. Also his genealogy seems a bit more white than he wanted it to be
Not related but since you are a christian anarchist are you familiar with the works of Leo Tolstoy ? He is one of the most well known christian anarchists out there, have you read some of his works and would you recommend them ?
Yes I'm familiar with Tolstoy. Ironically he didn't self identify as an anarchist, though he expressed sympathy for the cause and is often associated with Christian anarchism. His key work is The Kingdom of God is Within You. I would recommend it.
@@veritasetcaritas I found out about his work when I was younger but never got to read any of his works, maybe I will find them at my local library. What is your opinion on New Atheism and the influence it had on the current political climate ? There is a talk right now about new atheism to fascism pipeline and I was wondering what do you think of it ? I was on the internet when atheist channels where starting to move away from atheism and into more anti-feminism, anti-sjw politics and never understood the shift in attitude .
@@masterengleza2738 it's interesting that New Atheism as a movement died at least a decade ago, and it then morphed into a very anti-progressive stance. I know the trend you're talking about, I witnessed it as well. I think one of the reasons for this is that many people involved in the New Atheism were less interested in the atheism for its own sake, and more interested in pushing back against the dominant cultural trends, so when the New Atheism movement died they just continued pushing back against progressivism. But I am sure the causes are complex, and it would be fascinating to look into.
The idea that "forest" may have meant something different to the Australian colonists feels... correct, but also inherently lacking in substance? It seems to demand either some evidence to support the hypothesis, or a more explicit phrasing of "this is being said purely as a footnote and an acknowledgment that our understanding of history will always be imperfect."
As I showed in the citation, the reference to "forest" is made in the context of a number of other English words which clearly had ethnocentric meanings, terms such as "Englishman's park", "thicket", or "scrub". These are not objectively descriptive terms; they don't tell us anything about what the observer is actually seeing, they only tell us how they are interpreting it. An upper class Englishman's forest would be a well tended area of trees, cultivated over time by workers to produce a specific effect. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, English forests were very largely simply cleared to make way for agriculture or to obtain timber as fuel or construction material. They were not seen as decorative or functional in and of themselves. During and after the Industrial Revolution, when coal replaced wood as a fuel source, forests were managed and cultivated, and attitudes to them changed. Fensham's broader point is well worth considering; when a nineteenth century explorer describes an Australian landscape as an "Englishman’s park", what did the original landscape look like? Is this evidence that the Aboriginal Australians had carefully cultivated the land to make it look like the park area of a typical English aristocrat or nobleman? That's how Pascoe interprets it, but is this valid?
It should be pulled from the curriculum, but at least some scholarly criticism of the work is also finding its way into the curriculium. static1.squarespace.com/static/5cf30ff26df8f90001ae648d/t/62ad5a8569be0f50b3afc3e8/1655528070169/Dark+Emu+rebuttal+added+to+school+reading+list.pdf
@@johnnotrealname8168 it shouldn't be difficult to explain to them that on this historical issue a schooteacher has produced a book making certain historical claims, and an anthropologist and an archaeologist have produced a book challenging those claims. Schoolchildren can be taught what this rebuttal means.
I still can't get over how silly "dark emu" is as a combination of words. Like it's trying to capture the gravitas of "black swan", but it's a gosh darn EMU.
I liked your previous coverage of this topic. I found your coverage to be surprisingly even handed for something that is blatant crazy at first blush.
Thank you. I wanted to give the subject fair treatment.
I think it's supposed to be a play on the phrase "dark horse"
Dark Emu is a well-known Aboriginal Astronomical constellation that's outlined by dark areas of the night sky, not the stars. To find it, first locate the Southern Cross constellation above the southern horizon.
Thank you a voice of reason in a field that should never be politicised, History!
You are not the only one who found the silence around the work as being a little odd.
Thank you!
@@veritasetcaritaswe might get branded but I am actually left wing. But I won't support miss truths about whoever and colour is not the issue.
@@nicktrueman224 well you might already know I am left wing myself, and I think it's extremely important for the left to call out this kind of disinformation precisely because if we don't then the right will, and they will absolutely not do it in good faith.
@@veritasetcaritas exactly one look at sky news and their hook is in this pie. And I find it to be a catalyst for just further dislike and mistrust.
You absolutely correct! I try to tell people that there are some rather big question marks about this work but I usually get dismissed.
At least I am not being labeled though.
@@nicktrueman224 there's an unfortunate kind of liberal over-correction of history which doesn't want to accept anything which could be perceived as critical of aboriginal or indigenous societies. Ironically this is often paired with a desire to represent these societies as being very much like modern Western societies. So it's still a kind of ethnocentrism, just trying to interpret pre-modern non-Western societies as modern Western societies.
Is this just a re-upload or is it a remake, and in either case why are you reposting the video?
Slight re-make to remove a photo the original creator recently sked me not to use. See my recent post explaining why I'll be re-uploading some of my older videos.
ruclips.net/user/postUgkxpoFQ4prWOOTTmOiIz4-6fTFI3PFBq_6Z
Dark Emu is such an unusual name
It refers to a constellation.
astrotourismwa.com.au/emu-in-the-sky/
It was never about history, it was always about puffery.
The book should be called White Elephant.
It deserves the title.
Great video thank you
Thanks!
Im not Australian so I’m confused. why is it important if the aboriginal people were hunter & gatherers or agricultural farmers?
1. For some right wing people it's important because they believe hunter gathering is a primitive and unsophisticated lifestyle, and they want to argue Aboriginal people were hunter gatherers because they think it gives them grounds to argue Aboriginal people were primitive and unintelligent.
2. For some liberal people it's important because they ALSO believe hunter gathering is a primitive and unsophisticated lifestyle, and they want to argue Aboriginal people were NOT hunter gatherers because they think ALSO think it gives the right wing grounds to argue Aboriginal people were primitive and unintelligent.
3. For anthropologists and historians it's important because they are interested in understanding anthropology and history. That's what they do. However, they argue hunter gathering is NOT a primitive and unsophisticated lifestyle, and they argue both hunter gathering and agriculture exist on a SPECTRUM of successively differentiated methods of resource collection and management, so they argue the hard distinction being made by the right wingers and liberals is an artificial one.
@@veritasetcaritas ohhh ok thanks, now I understand.
So Bruce Pascoe is on the liberal side trying to argue against the facts.
@@Ma1q444 you're welcome. And yes, that's basically what Pascoe is doing, though with the best of motives.
@@veritasetcaritas is it through the best of motives tho?
pascoe has received substantial grants to set up a farm to prove some of his theories about seed for breadmaking which he claims originated in aus. but its been an economic black hole. Also his genealogy seems a bit more white than he wanted it to be
Not related but since you are a christian anarchist are you familiar with the works of Leo Tolstoy ? He is one of the most well known christian anarchists out there, have you read some of his works and would you recommend them ?
Yes I'm familiar with Tolstoy. Ironically he didn't self identify as an anarchist, though he expressed sympathy for the cause and is often associated with Christian anarchism. His key work is The Kingdom of God is Within You. I would recommend it.
@@veritasetcaritas
Another question, what do you think of Romans 13:1-7?
@@mandrakeblake-tw1uv I have a video on that passage on my other channel.
ruclips.net/video/0brqi3C-f2k/видео.html
@@veritasetcaritas I found out about his work when I was younger but never got to read any of his works, maybe I will find them at my local library. What is your opinion on New Atheism and the influence it had on the current political climate ? There is a talk right now about new atheism to fascism pipeline and I was wondering what do you think of it ? I was on the internet when atheist channels where starting to move away from atheism and into more anti-feminism, anti-sjw politics and never understood the shift in attitude .
@@masterengleza2738 it's interesting that New Atheism as a movement died at least a decade ago, and it then morphed into a very anti-progressive stance. I know the trend you're talking about, I witnessed it as well. I think one of the reasons for this is that many people involved in the New Atheism were less interested in the atheism for its own sake, and more interested in pushing back against the dominant cultural trends, so when the New Atheism movement died they just continued pushing back against progressivism. But I am sure the causes are complex, and it would be fascinating to look into.
The idea that "forest" may have meant something different to the Australian colonists feels... correct, but also inherently lacking in substance?
It seems to demand either some evidence to support the hypothesis, or a more explicit phrasing of "this is being said purely as a footnote and an acknowledgment that our understanding of history will always be imperfect."
As I showed in the citation, the reference to "forest" is made in the context of a number of other English words which clearly had ethnocentric meanings, terms such as "Englishman's park", "thicket", or "scrub". These are not objectively descriptive terms; they don't tell us anything about what the observer is actually seeing, they only tell us how they are interpreting it.
An upper class Englishman's forest would be a well tended area of trees, cultivated over time by workers to produce a specific effect. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, English forests were very largely simply cleared to make way for agriculture or to obtain timber as fuel or construction material. They were not seen as decorative or functional in and of themselves. During and after the Industrial Revolution, when coal replaced wood as a fuel source, forests were managed and cultivated, and attitudes to them changed.
Fensham's broader point is well worth considering; when a nineteenth century explorer describes an Australian landscape as an "Englishman’s park", what did the original landscape look like? Is this evidence that the Aboriginal Australians had carefully cultivated the land to make it look like the park area of a typical English aristocrat or nobleman? That's how Pascoe interprets it, but is this valid?
They did raise eels in artificial ponds.
No they didn't
They trapped wild eels
Trapping wild fish is hunting
The "hunter" part in the phrase hunter-gatherer
Hi
This book has been totally debunked numerouse times. Why are we inflicting it on young impressionable minds?
It should be pulled from the curriculum, but at least some scholarly criticism of the work is also finding its way into the curriculium.
static1.squarespace.com/static/5cf30ff26df8f90001ae648d/t/62ad5a8569be0f50b3afc3e8/1655528070169/Dark+Emu+rebuttal+added+to+school+reading+list.pdf
@@veritasetcaritasI am not sure children understand how rebuttals work in academia.
@@johnnotrealname8168 it shouldn't be difficult to explain to them that on this historical issue a schooteacher has produced a book making certain historical claims, and an anthropologist and an archaeologist have produced a book challenging those claims. Schoolchildren can be taught what this rebuttal means.
@@veritasetcaritas I do not think people understand that what a historian says is not the truth just because they wrote it and have a credential.
@@johnnotrealname8168 possibly true, but this is what school is for, to teach them exactly that.
Lies , lies, and more lies.
dreams dreams and more dreaming
Why hasnt this imposter been held accountable for his misinformation .
that wouldn't be 'nice'! his critics are labelled right wing etc