You could not pay me enough to drive in motogp , i respect the heck out them . They go as fast as f1 cars on the straights but they are totally exposed.
Physics dictates bikes can’t corner as fast as F1. However, MotoGP is way more intense and physically dangerous. If you ride a bike you can really appreciate the intense skill and physicality required to be on the top step of the podium. F1 is incredibly exciting too. I love them both and hats off to the drivers/riders.
F1: most overtaking happens in the pits (or 50/50 they crash trying to do it on the circuit) MotoGP: there are dozens of safe overtakes each race, many that come down to the wire on the final lap. Verdict? ;)
Seeing quite a lot of moto GP fans giving it the “yeah but moto gp this and moto gp that” Look it’s just a comparison, not a dick measuring competition, I watch and like both equally, kudos to them both, no one will have a neck and reactions like an f1 driver but no one will have balls and skill like a moto gp rider.
Well you are right and wrong at the same time....I like them both for over 30 years now....but a comparison is a dick measurement....thats what comparison means....a measurement.
Also to consider, bikes actually stay under track limits.. I wonder how many seconds the car would lose if they didn't cut through the S's.. like c'mon, just drive straight if you are going to ignore the track layout.
@@Skibidigokyllyourself yes, and again, if the car followed the same rules than the bike, the car would lose seconds on the lap.. I'm not saying the car is faster just because of that, of course not. But cutting corners is just bad form.
@@felipe.gtz.b Not these day unfortunately Felipe .In the closeness Of the three GP classes racing its impossible to avoid AND be competitive when three machines are challenging for a corner .The just take the "long lap "in their stride when it goes wrong .
@@mauricelevy9027 it's obviously not impossible, MotoGP race winners rarely go off track. F1 on the other hand, there's not a single lap where the cars stay inside the track.
@@CaptainSteve777and more importantly the contact patch is the side of a credit card and only 2 wheels. The correct comparison would be to make the f1 car contact size same as bikes. That would require cycle sized tyres on all 4 wheels.
And the sheer amount of rubber on all 4 corners. Think how small the total contact patch is w/ 2 wheel bikes vs. open wheel cars with 4 massively wide tires. The skid-pad rating between the two is probably miles apart, let alone the size of the motor able to put down all that power with no risk of breaking traction.
Any MotoGP rider could easily adapt mentally & physically to properly drive a Formula 1 car. But any F1 driver would need some specific training & mentally prepared to drag their knees & elbows to properly ride a MotoGP bike. The MotoGP rider who proofed this was the legend himself Valentino Rossi back in 2004 in Ferrari test, lapping 0.7s off the pace of Michael Schumacher.
What I love about MotoGP is that you can see everything that's happening. The bike itself is so expressive when the weight shifts. The way the rider moves with the machine and interacts with the balance and aerodynamics. The riders hands and feet operating the controls. The passion and vulnerability of it. It's such a beautiful motorsport. It's not as fast as F1, but it's so... human, I guess.
The skill required is insane aswell, watching guy Martin race David coultard was a perfect example of the differences, you have to be insanely delicate with the controls on a bike, too much throttle back wheel slips potentially crashing, too much acceleration wheel comes up crashing, too much braking rear comes up doing a stoppie or worse front wheel locks up, everything is based on feel
Car and bike totally different beasts, it may be slower overall because of corner speed but you have to have tremendous respect for MotoGP riders, the physical stenght, the straight line speed, the risk involved... Make them swap places and they'll be a couple of seconds behind the pace inside an F1 car, put an F1 guy on the bike and he'll lose half a minute.
I suspect it would be pretty similar time loses on both sides. MotoGP for not understanding how late they can brake and what cornering speed is possible. F1 for having to drive far more carefully and not being used towards cornering on a bike. I have some doubt about the bikers neck and maybe even leg strength to go for more than a couple of rounds in an f1 car though. That said I have no idea how hard the bike is on arm and hand muscles, so f1 drivers might run into a similar problem.
@@Lukashoffmann94 Probably exaggerated with half minute but if you look when Rossi tested the Ferrari back in the day or the Mercedes more recently, or Marquez tested the Toro Rosso, they were a second something off pace, while Hamilton on the Yamaha or Schumacher also back in the day tested bikes they were three or four times as far, which is a lot.
@@mportusableTo drive an F1 you need to be as prepared as a fighter pilot because of the G-forces you receive, it requires much more physical resistance than MotoGP, not to mention reflexes, since you are constantly above 200 km/h, if you blink too much you will hit the wall.
F1 got the advantage of more rubber on the track, and ofcourse way more downforce. I wonder, before downforce and airodynamics where a thing ( lets say early 50's ) , how did the bikes vs cars perform then ? I know it's a bit far fetched to compare. Maybe it always will be. One thing I know for sure, MotoGP races are almost everytime 10times more spectacular to watch. So much contact and take-over manouvers, every single time. I think it was 2 years ago, in the first 3 races, there where 9 different men on the podium. The competition is so extreme.
@pda3095 Haha yeah, Moto3 is peak competition. Most spectacular always, when a group of 5 or 6 men have formed in the front, you have constant take-overs in EVERY TURN. Really, I dare every die-hard F1 fan to also watch a season of MotoGP/Moto 2/Moto 3 . Of course it will take a while before you know the riders and their capabilities, but I guarantee you, that during the final races of MotoGP, you recognize most riders and you will enjoy the heck out of it. Possibly you will enjoy it more than F1. Lewis Hamilton is also known to be a big fan of MotoGP, he even wanted to race bikes before he got into F1. I will not be suprised that when he quits F1, he will start his own bike-team.
No matter where I go, it seems like motorsport comment section, F1 involved in particular, are always turn hostile real quick. Meanwhile, I'm here enjoying MotoGP, F1, WEC, and FE (if I have nothing else to do) equally. Bagnaia vs Martin at Sepang was peak, then followed by chaotic Brazilian GP. While rooting everyone equally to be the best of themselves. Wish more people can enjoy the sport as is, of course you can root for one over another, but simply be civilized. If you guys wants war, may I introduce you to Football.
Round Silverstone the time difference between F1 and MotoGP is about thirty seconds. Not even close. F1's ability to corner at 5g makes the difference.
Going 340km/h in a car is something. But going that speed on two wheels? For all those who drive bikes, you know what kind of balls you need to do that.
Riding fast in a straight isn't as easy as it sounds, cross winds uneven surfaces, even the white line road markings all make it pretty dodgy at those speeds, in a car I've done 165mph no problem very easy, on a bike nope havent had the balls to do it 😂
@@johnjackson2349 The fastest I have done was 242km/h one handed on my streety without an extra wind shield. She cant get any faster then that. When you go onto a bike where you can hide behind a wind shield it gets really easy
F1 is good but motogp is more interested to watch because lot of overtakes , crashes, last lap drama, only 45mins race and 20mins sprint even qualification also good to watch
More interesting for you... I find it being the exact opposite. Tried watching moto GP and found it boring as hell. F1 this year specially in the last few races is pretty amazing and far from boring... But to each is own I guess.
@@blueguy12345 yeah different strokes. I loved F1 until 2004 and then with one stupid rule change after another it just became awful IMO. I agree with wasim5424 - MotoGP is way more entertaining. The riders actually pass in corners unlike F1 where all the passing is now DRS on the straights. The riders actually touch elbows and knees with each other where any teeny tiny touch in F1 results in carbon all over the track and a safety car.
I tried watching Moto GP, enjoyed it for a while, then lost interest. Recently started watching F1 and it is an absolute blast, especially the recent races.
Everybody loves to compare their sport to F1. And while I admit to being an F1 snob it's totally ridiculous to say one sport is better than another. Whether it's F1, IndyCar, Moto GP, NASCAR, etc, every driver in each sport will push their machine to it's absolute limits and beyond and each sport requires a different skill set and physical aptitude. Whether it's drag racing at 300+ mph or two dudes racing on tricycles down the block it's really about competition. We want to see a battle, not a blowout.
Very true. I love riding “because “ the G forces are all perpendicular to the bike no matter how fast the corners. Most mortals couldn’t handle the F1 G forces. They are both amazing.
Riding a bike that has 300 horsepower at the rear wheel with a tiny contact patch next to an F1 is a different story. Moto GP riders could easily go fast with an F1, the reverse is not so true.
Michael Schumacher actually impressed everyone in the German championship, his times were improving every session and was even towards the front at the end. Even myself, people were telling me a lot of stuff, after 2 weeks I could drive better than them. It's almost like a bicycle, in the beginning it's finding the stabilty, but once you can, it's easy. Not disrespecting motorcyclists, but it's a lot easier than many like to portray it is, probably because most are not interested in learning it.
It's not even that. F1 demands much more physical endurance due to the extreme G-forces and mental reflexes than MotoGP, since F1 is almost always above 200 km/h, even in the curves, your training is almost the same as a fighter pilot. For a MotoGP driver to take on F1 he would need to go through several tests and exercises to adapt. I agree with you that it would be easier for a physically prepared MotoGP driver to get used to F1 than the other way around. Even though it is F1, it is still a 4-wheeled car, it is easier to drive than two wheels, but neither of them would be able to beat the other's time in their respective vehicles.
@@leaovegano4232 It is more difficult to drive a motorcycle at very high speed than a car. In the past, some Moto GP drivers got tendonitis in their arms because of the sudden braking. There are also many more accidents in Moto GP than in Formula 1. Formula 1 cars go faster in curves or bends but a Moto GP accelerates even harder. When braking, the rear wheel often releases its weight. Many F1 drivers are also rightly admiring of Moto GP drivers, it is much more dangerous and risky. In a car you stay seated, which is not the case on a motorcycle. The one and only driver to have been world champion in these two disciplines is John Surtees, he was first a motorcycle driver. Michael Schumacher tried his hand at a motorcycle, he did OK but nothing more. The last Moto GP rider and world champion in 1975 at the age of 19 who launched himself into F1 was Johnny Cecotto. At Toleman, he was on a par with a certain Ayrton Senna but, following an accident, was beaten.
@leaovegano4232 I don't agree. Both F1 and Moto gp riders spend a huge amount of time in the gym, doing cardio and strength work. To be the best at your game, you have to. Saying moto gp isn't physical is silly. They are 160kg 320+hp rockets that need to be muscled, more now than ever, due to the riders having to fight the aerodynamic downforce when changing direction. A few years back, Valentino Rossi and Lewis Hamilton did a swap. Rossi wasn't that far off in the cat, but Lewis was much slower on the bike, which confirms your statement on the difficulty, and likely consequences of crashing a bike.
@@leaovegano4232 What you say is correct. Neither will be able to go faster in the other's discipline. But it remains true that the F1 drivers who tried their hand at Moto GP like Schumacher for example were not bad but nothing more. The only driver who was world champion in both disciplines is John Surtees, he was above all a motorcycle driver. Johnny Cecotto, world champion in pure motorcycle speed in 1975 at the age of 19, joined the Toleman F1 team where he was on an equal footing with a certain Ayrton Senna but had to interrupt his season following an accident. A very good motorcycle driver will be able to go very fast with a car, the reverse is not as true. I think that the best car drivers are not F1 drivers but rally drivers. Former world rally champion Sébastien Loeb tried out a Formula 1 car and after a few laps he had achieved the 8th fastest time from pole position.
Respect to both. From the video it looks like Leclerc is just chilling but in reality he is experiencing ridiculous amount of G-forces at any given point. The amount of strength, concentration and reflexes required is mind boggling. No ordinary human could do either.
I really admire both and they have their respective skills.Although when you compare a non-aero car or high performance street car with a sportbike,they are very close lap time wise.
I wanna see a MotoGP versus an Indy car around an oval. Those bikes are insanely quick on a straight, but slow around corners due to lacking downforce.
Not because of downforce... its lack of contact patch when a motorcycle is leaned over. There are limitations to what a motorcycle tire can do vs a Car.
Watch every race F1 and MotoGP, my two favorite sports. Not shocked the car is faster but did not expect that big of a difference. MotoGP riders are getting a heck of a workout though.
Actually the gap is now smaller than used to be in the past, F1 has had it's speeds strictly controlled for safety reasons for decades now, whereas bikes have benefited from continuous development over the years, although the physical limitations of two wheels remain in place. Who doesn't remember F1 running on grooved tires instead of slicks as a desperate attempt to slow them down and prevent the crazy pace of developement through the season allowing speeds to get out of hand.
There is 1 specific point I would like to make. A regular person cannot obtain a car with that power to weight ratio, not to mention it's cost would be steep. A bike however, just slightly less powerful and a few pounds heavier can be bought for 30k or less. A Ducati Panigale with 215 hp and a top speed of over 200 mph can be bought by the average person. Not a bad option if you can get it.
@pandabearguy1 just that there's never been a time as good as now, for those who want to go fast on a motorcycle. Hyper cars are millions. A comparable tier motorcycle is 30k to 50k. What's the least expensive car that goes over 210 mph? A 30k Ducati, Kawasaki and BMW can do it. It's nice to have that speed in reach for such a low cost.
One is a car four wheels. One is a motorcycle two wheels. I'd say that's a pretty big gap, not to mention weight, horsepower, ratio, weight and everything else that goes with it
I'll take motogp everytime, imagine trying to hang on to a machine going ridiculous speeds all the while gravity and aerodynamic forces are trying to rip you off the bike all the while going flat out against a feild of extremely talented people at the top of their game, yes they have alot better safety then they had but it can still go south if they crash hard. Big respect to them all.
@Epacman17 Obviously, but F1 has many more restrictions, to give you an idea, an F1 car without restrictions goes over 400 km/h, like the Honda RA106, which reached 400 km/h in the Mojave Desert, a Formula 1 without restrictions and with only 75% of the power of an F1 used in official races, to give you an idea of the potential of an F1
I suggest you check out driver 61 comparison of a bunch of different formats of racing including Formula One and MotoGP and is clear that GP is slightly behind Formula One on lap times, but they are both farther ahead virtually everywhere than any other form
As awesome as MotoGP is, the fact of the matter is that most 4 wheel series are faster than MotoGP around COTA. Indycar, LMP1, LMP2, LMDh, Indy Lights, Formula Atlantic, even LM GT all set faster lap times.
In conclusion: F1 cars are engineering masterpieces and MotoGP riders are just different human - so skilled and brave. But probably the worst track for a comparison because of the fast corners where the bike just can't get the power down and the twisty first section where the rider needs to take it's time to lean and transfer the weight.
The bikes contact patches are like 2-3 inches long and there's only two of them compared to the four contact patches from the f1, each one probably ten times as big. There's just no comparison.
Motogp is more tough then f1 because f1 has more safety things but Motogp if crash happen they easily can broke their bone so physically they have to focus in mtoogp
F1 cars are way faster. I can understand why we're comparing MotoGP (best of the best bikes) with F1 (best of the best cars) but honestly, that's not the most apt comparison. MotoGP has teeny tiny wings to control wheelies but let's be real, that's not aero in the same way that F1 cars have aero. A much better comparison is MotoGP against the fastest non-aero cars you want to choose. You'll find the bikes are the equal of the cars in the corners, beat the cars coming out of the corners and lose to the cars under braking. Ultimately, the lap times are extremely similar and at times, the bikes win. F1 is for sure faster but in the 2 wheel vs 4 wheel debate, if you leave out cars with aero grip, the bikes are a very good match.
The average person could afford to own an aprillia v4 that would sound and feel like that gp bike and take it to the track. How much would something similar to an f1 car cost? This is one of the reasons i love moto gp, its more for the people and not just elites.
A GP bike can match F1 in a straight line, but will never match F1 while cornering. To corner at 5Gs, the bike would need to have a lean of 78 degrees.
Not really a fair comparison. The f1 car is allowed to go use the green, while the bike gets penalized for it. The car would still win with the same rules, but it'd be closer than it is now.
Don't use Maverick and Aprilia. They were literally over a second slower per lap than the top Ducati at every race. If you're going to do this, then get Jorge Martin on a Ducati and turn him loose.
Totally different and NEVER the twain shall meet . They appeal to totally different groups of both participants ,mechanics and followers . The actual lap time differences have no importance whatever and how can a Formula one cornering ( although much faster) come anywhere near the thrill of seeing a gp machine going through corners . I love and follow both but Motogp is a far more thrilling spectacle ,even with "aero" and lowering devices ,although watching the Master on a 500 (Mick Dohan) has never been surpassed !
Pure example of mechanical grip! Simple fact, like on the street in a straight line a bike is faster, but get a bike on a twisty road against a car it stands no chance! Has nothing to do with balls of a rider, if a car slides out it's just as dangerous if not more!
Lots of comments about how Moto GP is more exhausting on the drivers while the opposite is truth. F1 is even more exhausting becouse of the crazy G forces in the cornes they must endure.
people seems to forget that most of the time made by f1 or any car is that on the braking and corners... in bike u have small patch while cornerning a small mistake and u are in gravel and dont take about braking these guys almost brake on 1 wheel using front brake mostly whereas car as 4 big wide wheels and all 4 has braking power...
Getting within 10s of a lap time in f1 would take months of physical training and practice, getting within 10s of a moto gp rider is impossible, not only do i not have the skill or the balls and racing knowledge, im too heavy, the bikes power to weight ratio would drop considerably
You can't compare the speed of 2 wheels and 4 wheels with 1 lap. Motogp works very differently entering corners, while F1 which has 4 wheels. a F1 car can brake faster than a MotoGP because it has four tyre contact patches versus two, a lower centre of gravity and higher aerodynamic downforces. If you want to compare the speed of F1 and MotoGP. Drag Race makes more sense.
F1 might catch up one day. But only when it understands racing doesn't need DRS gimmicks and requires regulations in place for good racing. F1 fluked it at times 2006 through 2008 and also 2012 up to mid 2013 are good examples. (Yes I know DRS existed for second example)
I don’t know what the obsession with F1 is these days, I watched it for over forty years but have got fed up with all the rules, regs. and pettiness. Much more enjoyable are the ELMS,ALMS, and WEC series and the cars are probably more advanced.
F1 had a huge advantage because the track is full of turns. Moto GP bikes are faster in straight lines and slower in turns, for the F1 cars it's the opposite.
It makes total sense that the bikes aren’t as fast around the track. The gigantic fucking balls on the riders slow them down.
...but shouldn't that give them more downforce and help the high speed cornering?? 😏
You could not pay me enough to drive in motogp , i respect the heck out them . They go as fast as f1 cars on the straights but they are totally exposed.
Plus in the race, where you could get literally blocked by all four sides while leaning 50°
*faster on the straights
As fast? Lol
@@pedrogarcia2899read the comment again
@@pedrogarcia2899 just see the Red Bull video, MotoGP smokes F1 in the straight
Physics dictates bikes can’t corner as fast as F1. However, MotoGP is way more intense and physically dangerous. If you ride a bike you can really appreciate the intense skill and physicality required to be on the top step of the podium.
F1 is incredibly exciting too. I love them both and hats off to the drivers/riders.
so easy
F1: most overtaking happens in the pits (or 50/50 they crash trying to do it on the circuit)
MotoGP: there are dozens of safe overtakes each race, many that come down to the wire on the final lap.
Verdict? ;)
@@no-jb5vublud said easy💀
@@Nostromo2144 Did Rossi kick Marquez in 2015? Verdict?
motogp is indeed very physical. but you shouldn‘t forget about the g-forces in f1, which the drivers habe to endure over ~90minutes
Seeing quite a lot of moto GP fans giving it the “yeah but moto gp this and moto gp that”
Look it’s just a comparison, not a dick measuring competition, I watch and like both equally, kudos to them both, no one will have a neck and reactions like an f1 driver but no one will have balls and skill like a moto gp rider.
Thanks
Lucid.
I bet motogp riders have just as good reaction as F1 drivers. Why would they not.?
Well you are right and wrong at the same time....I like them both for over 30 years now....but a comparison is a dick measurement....thats what comparison means....a measurement.
One is high chance of wreck survive, the is more organ donor.
I'm not a huge fan of bike races, but a lap on MotoGP looks physically INSANE!
So you are more interested in a boring parade than a real race? ..weird
@@Donald18-n3r I think MotoGP is too dangerous. But the main question is that not too much popular here in Brazil.
MotoGp faster than Checo Perez
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By comparison, F1 cars around Austin lapped 28.98 seconds faster than MotoGP.
Also to consider, bikes actually stay under track limits.. I wonder how many seconds the car would lose if they didn't cut through the S's.. like c'mon, just drive straight if you are going to ignore the track layout.
@@felipe.gtz.b really man? do you know how track limits work
@@Skibidigokyllyourself yes, and again, if the car followed the same rules than the bike, the car would lose seconds on the lap.. I'm not saying the car is faster just because of that, of course not. But cutting corners is just bad form.
@@felipe.gtz.b Not these day unfortunately Felipe .In the closeness Of the three GP classes racing its impossible to avoid AND be competitive when three machines are challenging for a corner .The just take the "long lap "in their stride when it goes wrong .
@@mauricelevy9027 it's obviously not impossible, MotoGP race winners rarely go off track. F1 on the other hand, there's not a single lap where the cars stay inside the track.
i think F1 in corner has high G force and Moto GP has 60° lean is insane
Exactly. Bikes need a 78° lean angle to generate 5 G cornering force.
@CaptainSteve777 yes and f1 racing like chicks on egg
@@CaptainSteve777and more importantly the contact patch is the side of a credit card and only 2 wheels. The correct comparison would be to make the f1 car contact size same as bikes. That would require cycle sized tyres on all 4 wheels.
And yet MotoGP is still more entertaining to watch…
Why?
@@ik749just watch, the last race in catalunya next week
@@ik749way more overtakes and competition between riders/teams
And better sound
Because F1 is so fast, making to much dirty air
motoGP riders that had chance to drive F1 car said that cornering speed in pure insanity... F1 car has so much down force and stopping power
And the sheer amount of rubber on all 4 corners. Think how small the total contact patch is w/ 2 wheel bikes vs. open wheel cars with 4 massively wide tires. The skid-pad rating between the two is probably miles apart, let alone the size of the motor able to put down all that power with no risk of breaking traction.
An F1 car has about 5 ft of tyre on the road , a bike has about 4 inches , what do you expect
Correction in the corner its like an inch of tire. The strip on the back of your Credit Card is the contact patch of a Motorcycle in mid corner
cope
not to mention whole boatloads of downforce from the aero
There is a crucial difference. A rider can "easly" go fast with a car, a driver can't go easly fast with a moto.
Any MotoGP rider could easily adapt mentally & physically to properly drive a Formula 1 car.
But any F1 driver would need some specific training & mentally prepared to drag their knees & elbows to properly ride a MotoGP bike.
The MotoGP rider who proofed this was the legend himself Valentino Rossi back in 2004 in Ferrari test, lapping 0.7s off the pace of Michael Schumacher.
Exactly.Every time a comparison was made between driver and rider,the rider was a LOT closer to the driver than the opposite.
What I love about MotoGP is that you can see everything that's happening. The bike itself is so expressive when the weight shifts. The way the rider moves with the machine and interacts with the balance and aerodynamics. The riders hands and feet operating the controls. The passion and vulnerability of it. It's such a beautiful motorsport. It's not as fast as F1, but it's so... human, I guess.
The skill required is insane aswell, watching guy Martin race David coultard was a perfect example of the differences, you have to be insanely delicate with the controls on a bike, too much throttle back wheel slips potentially crashing, too much acceleration wheel comes up crashing, too much braking rear comes up doing a stoppie or worse front wheel locks up, everything is based on feel
Car and bike totally different beasts, it may be slower overall because of corner speed but you have to have tremendous respect for MotoGP riders, the physical stenght, the straight line speed, the risk involved... Make them swap places and they'll be a couple of seconds behind the pace inside an F1 car, put an F1 guy on the bike and he'll lose half a minute.
I suspect it would be pretty similar time loses on both sides.
MotoGP for not understanding how late they can brake and what cornering speed is possible. F1 for having to drive far more carefully and not being used towards cornering on a bike.
I have some doubt about the bikers neck and maybe even leg strength to go for more than a couple of rounds in an f1 car though.
That said I have no idea how hard the bike is on arm and hand muscles, so f1 drivers might run into a similar problem.
@@Lukashoffmann94 Probably exaggerated with half minute but if you look when Rossi tested the Ferrari back in the day or the Mercedes more recently, or Marquez tested the Toro Rosso, they were a second something off pace, while Hamilton on the Yamaha or Schumacher also back in the day tested bikes they were three or four times as far, which is a lot.
@@mportusable Ok, fair enough.
Michael Schumacher competed in the German Superbike championship and was quite competitive.
@@mportusableTo drive an F1 you need to be as prepared as a fighter pilot because of the G-forces you receive, it requires much more physical resistance than MotoGP, not to mention reflexes, since you are constantly above 200 km/h, if you blink too much you will hit the wall.
F1 got the advantage of more rubber on the track, and ofcourse way more downforce.
I wonder, before downforce and airodynamics where a thing ( lets say early 50's ) , how did the bikes vs cars perform then ?
I know it's a bit far fetched to compare. Maybe it always will be.
One thing I know for sure, MotoGP races are almost everytime 10times more spectacular to watch.
So much contact and take-over manouvers, every single time.
I think it was 2 years ago, in the first 3 races, there where 9 different men on the podium. The competition is so extreme.
Also the racing is so much closer, I remember the Moto 3 race when the first 15 riders crossed the line in 1.9 seconds!! 😵💫
@pda3095 Haha yeah, Moto3 is peak competition. Most spectacular always, when a group of 5 or 6 men have formed in the front, you have constant take-overs in EVERY TURN. Really, I dare every die-hard F1 fan to also watch a season of MotoGP/Moto 2/Moto 3 . Of course it will take a while before you know the riders and their capabilities, but I guarantee you, that during the final races of MotoGP, you recognize most riders and you will enjoy the heck out of it. Possibly you will enjoy it more than F1. Lewis Hamilton is also known to be a big fan of MotoGP, he even wanted to race bikes before he got into F1. I will not be suprised that when he quits F1, he will start his own bike-team.
No matter where I go, it seems like motorsport comment section, F1 involved in particular, are always turn hostile real quick.
Meanwhile, I'm here enjoying MotoGP, F1, WEC, and FE (if I have nothing else to do) equally. Bagnaia vs Martin at Sepang was peak, then followed by chaotic Brazilian GP. While rooting everyone equally to be the best of themselves.
Wish more people can enjoy the sport as is, of course you can root for one over another, but simply be civilized. If you guys wants war, may I introduce you to Football.
Yup, lots of "defending" from rabid fans of either side.
@@ronbelanger4113i know right. smh
I am only hostile to the FIA.
Round Silverstone the time difference between F1 and MotoGP is about thirty seconds. Not even close. F1's ability to corner at 5g makes the difference.
Going 340km/h in a car is something. But going that speed on two wheels?
For all those who drive bikes, you know what kind of balls you need to do that.
I mean riding fast on a straight is easy. Riding fast through corners isn't 😅
Riding fast in a straight isn't as easy as it sounds, cross winds uneven surfaces, even the white line road markings all make it pretty dodgy at those speeds, in a car I've done 165mph no problem very easy, on a bike nope havent had the balls to do it 😂
@@johnjackson2349 The fastest I have done was 242km/h one handed on my streety without an extra wind shield. She cant get any faster then that. When you go onto a bike where you can hide behind a wind shield it gets really easy
F1 is good but motogp is more interested to watch because lot of overtakes , crashes, last lap drama, only 45mins race and 20mins sprint even qualification also good to watch
Stats dont lie bro more people think f1 is more interesting
More interesting for you...
I find it being the exact opposite. Tried watching moto GP and found it boring as hell. F1 this year specially in the last few races is pretty amazing and far from boring...
But to each is own I guess.
@@blueguy12345 yeah different strokes. I loved F1 until 2004 and then with one stupid rule change after another it just became awful IMO. I agree with wasim5424 - MotoGP is way more entertaining. The riders actually pass in corners unlike F1 where all the passing is now DRS on the straights. The riders actually touch elbows and knees with each other where any teeny tiny touch in F1 results in carbon all over the track and a safety car.
I tried watching Moto GP, enjoyed it for a while, then lost interest. Recently started watching F1 and it is an absolute blast, especially the recent races.
@@Plainshots.oobros wow great then plz don't watch motogp hereafter plz watch f1 itself 👍ok
Everybody loves to compare their sport to F1. And while I admit to being an F1 snob it's totally ridiculous to say one sport is better than another. Whether it's F1, IndyCar, Moto GP, NASCAR, etc, every driver in each sport will push their machine to it's absolute limits and beyond and each sport requires a different skill set and physical aptitude. Whether it's drag racing at 300+ mph or two dudes racing on tricycles down the block it's really about competition. We want to see a battle, not a blowout.
So the difference is huge.
they have two wheels less man.
@@living4speed680they weigh over 500kg less too
No downforce vs all the downforce in the world
Definitely fan of both series. Much more passing n battles in Moto gp , Not only that the comparison would be different from track to track .
Very true. I love riding “because “ the G forces are all perpendicular to the bike no matter how fast the corners.
Most mortals couldn’t handle the F1 G forces.
They are both amazing.
That cornering downforce on the F1 cars (plus obviously more tyre on the ground) is just incredible.
MotoGP way more impressive
Riding a bike that has 300 horsepower at the rear wheel with a tiny contact patch next to an F1 is a different story. Moto GP riders could easily go fast with an F1, the reverse is not so true.
Michael Schumacher actually impressed everyone in the German championship, his times were improving every session and was even towards the front at the end.
Even myself, people were telling me a lot of stuff, after 2 weeks I could drive better than them. It's almost like a bicycle, in the beginning it's finding the stabilty, but once you can, it's easy.
Not disrespecting motorcyclists, but it's a lot easier than many like to portray it is, probably because most are not interested in learning it.
It's not even that. F1 demands much more physical endurance due to the extreme G-forces and mental reflexes than MotoGP, since F1 is almost always above 200 km/h, even in the curves, your training is almost the same as a fighter pilot. For a MotoGP driver to take on F1 he would need to go through several tests and exercises to adapt. I agree with you that it would be easier for a physically prepared MotoGP driver to get used to F1 than the other way around. Even though it is F1, it is still a 4-wheeled car, it is easier to drive than two wheels, but neither of them would be able to beat the other's time in their respective vehicles.
@@leaovegano4232 It is more difficult to drive a motorcycle at very high speed than a car. In the past, some Moto GP drivers got tendonitis in their arms because of the sudden braking. There are also many more accidents in Moto GP than in Formula 1. Formula 1 cars go faster in curves or bends but a Moto GP accelerates even harder. When braking, the rear wheel often releases its weight.
Many F1 drivers are also rightly admiring of Moto GP drivers, it is much more dangerous and risky. In a car you stay seated, which is not the case on a motorcycle.
The one and only driver to have been world champion in these two disciplines is John Surtees, he was first a motorcycle driver.
Michael Schumacher tried his hand at a motorcycle, he did OK but nothing more.
The last Moto GP rider and world champion in 1975 at the age of 19 who launched himself into F1 was Johnny Cecotto. At Toleman, he was on a par with a certain Ayrton Senna but, following an accident, was beaten.
@leaovegano4232 I don't agree. Both F1 and Moto gp riders spend a huge amount of time in the gym, doing cardio and strength work. To be the best at your game, you have to. Saying moto gp isn't physical is silly. They are 160kg 320+hp rockets that need to be muscled, more now than ever, due to the riders having to fight the aerodynamic downforce when changing direction.
A few years back, Valentino Rossi and Lewis Hamilton did a swap. Rossi wasn't that far off in the cat, but Lewis was much slower on the bike, which confirms your statement on the difficulty, and likely consequences of crashing a bike.
@@leaovegano4232 What you say is correct. Neither will be able to go faster in the other's discipline. But it remains true that the F1 drivers who tried their hand at Moto GP like Schumacher for example were not bad but nothing more. The only driver who was world champion in both disciplines is John Surtees, he was above all a motorcycle driver. Johnny Cecotto, world champion in pure motorcycle speed in 1975 at the age of 19, joined the Toleman F1 team where he was on an equal footing with a certain Ayrton Senna but had to interrupt his season following an accident. A very good motorcycle driver will be able to go very fast with a car, the reverse is not as true. I think that the best car drivers are not F1 drivers but rally drivers. Former world rally champion Sébastien Loeb tried out a Formula 1 car and after a few laps he had achieved the 8th fastest time from pole position.
These comparisons always neglect the enormous weight deficit that riders have in the form of their cajones. Regardless, good racing is good racing 👍
Respect to both. From the video it looks like Leclerc is just chilling but in reality he is experiencing ridiculous amount of G-forces at any given point.
The amount of strength, concentration and reflexes required is mind boggling. No ordinary human could do either.
I’d like to see Moto gp vs GTD
Moto GP are faster than GT3 and GTD. They are almost as fast as prime 2017-2021 LMGTE Pro in term of qualifying pace.
Legal esse comparativo, eu não achava que era tanta diferença assim! Thanks
I really admire both and they have their respective skills.Although when you compare a non-aero car or high performance street car with a sportbike,they are very close lap time wise.
Max's sprint shootout pole lap is 2 tenths faster than charles' quali pole.
Having to flip the bike from left to right is probably the difference
I wanna see a MotoGP versus an Indy car around an oval. Those bikes are insanely quick on a straight, but slow around corners due to lacking downforce.
Not because of downforce... its lack of contact patch when a motorcycle is leaned over. There are limitations to what a motorcycle tire can do vs a Car.
Watch every race F1 and MotoGP, my two favorite sports. Not shocked the car is faster but did not expect that big of a difference. MotoGP riders are getting a heck of a workout though.
Wake me up when the bike crosses the line
I'd love to see MotoGP vs GT3/GTEs/NASCARs
Moto go riders have balls of steel I was once a f1 fan but for someone to go down a pit straight at 217mph on two wheels has my up most respect 🔥😎
It's much harder to go fast on a motorcycle than in an F1 car, especially a modern F1 car.
Not even close. Still tho, bike riders have much bigger balls.
Actually the gap is now smaller than used to be in the past, F1 has had it's speeds strictly controlled for safety reasons for decades now, whereas bikes have benefited from continuous development over the years, although the physical limitations of two wheels remain in place.
Who doesn't remember F1 running on grooved tires instead of slicks as a desperate attempt to slow them down and prevent the crazy pace of developement through the season allowing speeds to get out of hand.
There is 1 specific point I would like to make. A regular person cannot obtain a car with that power to weight ratio, not to mention it's cost would be steep. A bike however, just slightly less powerful and a few pounds heavier can be bought for 30k or less. A Ducati Panigale with 215 hp and a top speed of over 200 mph can be bought by the average person. Not a bad option if you can get it.
But what was your point?
@pandabearguy1 just that there's never been a time as good as now, for those who want to go fast on a motorcycle. Hyper cars are millions. A comparable tier motorcycle is 30k to 50k. What's the least expensive car that goes over 210 mph? A 30k Ducati, Kawasaki and BMW can do it. It's nice to have that speed in reach for such a low cost.
Aerodynamic down force and wing stability on the F1 car has the advantage
also 2 vs 4 wheels
Brother, the fact that one have 2 more wheels is the more important factor here💀
The biggest difference is braking. Downforce, contact patch and the bike is limited by having to keep level.
How big is the difference in downforce and tire contact patch between motogp and formula 1?
Aero vs no Aero, awesome comparison.
One is a car four wheels. One is a motorcycle two wheels. I'd say that's a pretty big gap, not to mention weight, horsepower, ratio, weight and everything else that goes with it
I'll take motogp everytime, imagine trying to hang on to a machine going ridiculous speeds all the while gravity and aerodynamic forces are trying to rip you off the bike all the while going flat out against a feild of extremely talented people at the top of their game, yes they have alot better safety then they had but it can still go south if they crash hard. Big respect to them all.
Besides, F1 cars have restrictions, they are not at 100% of their capacity because of FIA safety regulations.
MotoGP also has restrictions
@Epacman17 Obviously, but F1 has many more restrictions, to give you an idea, an F1 car without restrictions goes over 400 km/h, like the Honda RA106, which reached 400 km/h in the Mojave Desert, a Formula 1 without restrictions and with only 75% of the power of an F1 used in official races, to give you an idea of the potential of an F1
Cars can also put half of their vehicle off the track and not get penalized. The bike can't even go 1mm on the green.
You didn’t have to do this comparison, just listen to what Rossi said after he drove Lewis Hamilton car’ he “everything is coming up so fast “ 😂
I suggest you check out driver 61 comparison of a bunch of different formats of racing including Formula One and MotoGP and is clear that GP is slightly behind Formula One on lap times, but they are both farther ahead virtually everywhere than any other form
As awesome as MotoGP is, the fact of the matter is that most 4 wheel series are faster than MotoGP around COTA. Indycar, LMP1, LMP2, LMDh, Indy Lights, Formula Atlantic, even LM GT all set faster lap times.
I love MotoGP but F1 cars are insane
28seconds...One second is a enternity in motorsport!!! 😂
In conclusion:
F1 cars are engineering masterpieces and MotoGP riders are just different human - so skilled and brave.
But probably the worst track for a comparison because of the fast corners where the bike just can't get the power down and the twisty first section where the rider needs to take it's time to lean and transfer the weight.
Could they have picked a better camera placement for the motogp rider? It's two minutes of the riders butt wiggling about.
Its the downforce that makes an f1 car so much faster around a track
The bikes contact patches are like 2-3 inches long and there's only two of them compared to the four contact patches from the f1, each one probably ten times as big. There's just no comparison.
Motogp is more tough then f1 because f1 has more safety things but Motogp if crash happen they easily can broke their bone so physically they have to focus in mtoogp
And Isle of Man is tougher cause more people die in that race. You make a lame comparison.
There's a difference between just being dangerous and skill F1 is way harder
@@Igloojames 🤣🤣🤣🤣Dude, imagine braking at the end of the straight at 340 km/h competitively every lap... If you don't ride a motorcycle... never mind
@@BGHse52 mate driving a 1000hp rwd car is harder than a motorbike
@@BGHse52yeah F1 drivers do that all day way later hitting well over 5Gs
Imagine a Female Only MotoGP 💀💀💀
there is a woman's only Moto racing look it up.
that exists though
Bro wants to see something ....
Uhh wait a sec-
Bro sees something I don’t see?
What I might know
F1 cars are way faster. I can understand why we're comparing MotoGP (best of the best bikes) with F1 (best of the best cars) but honestly, that's not the most apt comparison. MotoGP has teeny tiny wings to control wheelies but let's be real, that's not aero in the same way that F1 cars have aero. A much better comparison is MotoGP against the fastest non-aero cars you want to choose. You'll find the bikes are the equal of the cars in the corners, beat the cars coming out of the corners and lose to the cars under braking. Ultimately, the lap times are extremely similar and at times, the bikes win. F1 is for sure faster but in the 2 wheel vs 4 wheel debate, if you leave out cars with aero grip, the bikes are a very good match.
We all know that grip is everything
So, Leclerc in a Ferrari against Vinales on an Aprila? With all due respect to Maverick, put Bagnaia on a Ducati for a good comparrison.
no amigo, bagnaia es mas lento que maverick en austin.
The average person could afford to own an aprillia v4 that would sound and feel like that gp bike and take it to the track. How much would something similar to an f1 car cost? This is one of the reasons i love moto gp, its more for the people and not just elites.
A GP bike can match F1 in a straight line, but will never match F1 while cornering. To corner at 5Gs, the bike would need to have a lean of 78 degrees.
Is basically comparing NA to turbocharged all the being equal. One has aero (F1), the other doesn’t (MotoGP).
Not really a fair comparison. The f1 car is allowed to go use the green, while the bike gets penalized for it. The car would still win with the same rules, but it'd be closer than it is now.
F1 car is one hell of a machine
Is this a best lap vs best lap?
For moto gp yes, for f1 the record is 2.7sec faster (2019 pole)
@@mxcnf1 Wow, racers are built different.
I have seen many MotoGP races and many F1 races, MotoGP is WAY more fun to watch
Don't use Maverick and Aprilia. They were literally over a second slower per lap than the top Ducati at every race.
If you're going to do this, then get Jorge Martin on a Ducati and turn him loose.
This is the fastest lap of cota on 2 wheels...
And that's why bike racers are more impressive
Which one would you fall asleep too first?
Totally different and NEVER the twain shall meet . They appeal to totally different groups of both participants ,mechanics and followers . The actual lap time differences have no importance whatever and how can a Formula one cornering ( although much faster) come anywhere near the thrill of seeing a gp machine going through corners . I love and follow both but Motogp is a far more thrilling spectacle ,even with "aero" and lowering devices ,although watching the Master on a 500 (Mick Dohan) has never been surpassed !
oh the gap in seconds. I thought you meant the gap in balls. Because that is enormous.
The f1 guys are in awe of the motogp guys- all you need to know
Pure example of mechanical grip! Simple fact, like on the street in a straight line a bike is faster, but get a bike on a twisty road against a car it stands no chance! Has nothing to do with balls of a rider, if a car slides out it's just as dangerous if not more!
Cool now make the track half as wide
Predictable. Bikes have only mechanical grip in corners, no aero.
Lots of comments about how Moto GP is more exhausting on the drivers while the opposite is truth. F1 is even more exhausting becouse of the crazy G forces in the cornes they must endure.
At Laguna Seca the ALMS GT1 cars had faster times than MotoGP.
people seems to forget that most of the time made by f1 or any car is that on the braking and corners...
in bike u have small patch while cornerning a small mistake and u are in gravel and dont take about braking these guys almost brake on 1 wheel using front brake mostly whereas car as 4 big wide wheels and all 4 has braking power...
and yes both sports are amazing imo & i follow both ...
both are equally draining physically and mentally ...
2 wheels don't grip as well as 4 around corners. The bikes are faster in a straight line.
In straight Motogp is fast but in corner formula car is too faster and stable that's why lap time difference
Btw looks like it would be close enough if we remove all downforce from F1 car.
Getting within 10s of a lap time in f1 would take months of physical training and practice, getting within 10s of a moto gp rider is impossible, not only do i not have the skill or the balls and racing knowledge, im too heavy, the bikes power to weight ratio would drop considerably
MotoGP is the crazy thing about this all
It's pathetic that you can hear a Moto gp bike over the engine in a F1 car. Bring back the V10 howl.
A square layout tyre can't lie
1/4th of the time faster, but double the wheels.
i think cars should be ashamed of them selfs.
You can't compare the speed of 2 wheels and 4 wheels with 1 lap.
Motogp works very differently entering corners, while F1 which has 4 wheels.
a F1 car can brake faster than a MotoGP because it has four tyre contact patches versus two, a lower centre of gravity and higher aerodynamic downforces.
If you want to compare the speed of F1 and MotoGP. Drag Race makes more sense.
MotoGP is on another level to f1
Moto gp guy's have got much bigger balls and it's far more entertaining 👏👏
Cuz physics - lateral Gs. 4 tires.
F1 might catch up one day. But only when it understands racing doesn't need DRS gimmicks and requires regulations in place for good racing. F1 fluked it at times 2006 through 2008 and also 2012 up to mid 2013 are good examples. (Yes I know DRS existed for second example)
I don’t know what the obsession with F1 is these days, I watched it for over forty years but have got fed up with all the rules, regs. and pettiness.
Much more enjoyable are the ELMS,ALMS, and WEC series and the cars are probably more advanced.
The MotoGP also sounds a million times better than the F1.
F1 is like follow my leader 😴 Moto gp is full of action from start to finish.
F1 had a huge advantage because the track is full of turns. Moto GP bikes are faster in straight lines and slower in turns, for the F1 cars it's the opposite.
F1 cars still have high top speeds
If f1 cars were racing on a track without any turns, they could simply lower the downforce and achieve even faster speeds…
Pause... moto gp has a booty bunda cakey cake cam?????????
Brb gotta go start watching motogp
Yes. They had them for years. You missed a lot of good booty footage. XD
Btw., WSBK has them as well.