The string angle should, and did, look steep as you shot the V3X. Caused me to wonder why, since bow companies offer different axle to axle lengths in the same bow, someone hasn't done a review showing the different string angles at different draw lengths. Something to consider at your end. Thanks for the review.
Check the actual draw lengths on a draw board!! That is the only thing missing from your reviews and is a very important measurement, especially when comparing apples to apples.
I appreciate your video very much. I watch them all that's how I chose to get my bowl this year. And once again we have Matthews lying about their speed. They should change their slogan from catch us if you can't don't leave us in the dust.
They all lie dude! PSE was 14 FPS if the IBO, the Hoyt last year was almost 20 FPS off IBO on some tests. All bow manufacturers exaggerate to an extent but they all seem to shoot are 6-8 FPS if each other which you would not be able to distinguish between 8 FPS difference.
I'm going through all of your 22 reviews. Good stuff. 2 things I'd like to see added...official draw weight at limbs maxed out and measured draw length compared to advertised for module setting.
Great video once again! Thanks for the early review. PJ Reilly from Lancaster said that the dovetail mount system will work with a Black Gold though. Do you guys mind checking that out?
Great review! I'm looking to move away from my 2020 PSE Xpedite due to such a short brace height and limited options for rests. After viewing a few of your bow reviews this bow has my interest. Looks like it may be a great fit for a sub 5'7" shooter. Keep up the great work!
I'm 5'-9" and shot the 29" today. I'm brand new to compound archery, But the thing felt phenomenal. I have only shot a switchback, bowtech solution SS, and hoyt helix, But this v3x 29 felt better than all of them. I came home to think about it overnight, But there was no need. It's the obvious choice for me. Even if there may be something better out there, this this feels as comfortable as I could ever want, So I'm going back in the morning to buy it. It was set at 65# and it had an easier draw than the switchback at 60# and pretty much equal draw as the solution ss at 58#. I truly don't think anyone could go wrong buying this bow. Hope this helps.
Everyone on here saying APA has had this… Ok.. but honestly name 5 shops that carrying them! I have over 20 pro shops in my area and they have never carried APA bows in my 40 years of bow hunting 🙄
Well because 1 APA is in canada, 2 they started making bows in 2002 so getting big enough to compete with the big names takes time.. Not to mention most of the major advertisers are getting kickbacks from the big bow companies. APA is a family business where they’re attention to detail, quality and customer service can’t be beat. You can test drive their bows where they’ll ship one right to you.. There are more distributors popping up all the time as well…. Side note, Ive called them up multiple times over the years and the owner himself actually picked up the phone…
Who carries what bow is completely irrelevant to the fact this “technology” or feature rather is not new. It’s sort of a half-assed way of discrediting someone else’s hard work. A sad one at that
I’ve noticed that all the bows he has checked has been a little over 10 fps off. Maybe he needs to recalibrate his chronograph. No matter how good a brand sometimes you just need to do some recalibrating or maybe the chronograph is just off. Mathews, Hoyt, and others I’m sure have an industry standard when it comes to checking bow speed. It would be awesome to get with one of the companies and see how they get their IBO speeds.
Good morning Mr Jones, wondering if you could help me? I have a Mathews v3x 33 and the yoke cables are leaning more to one side. When I measure axle to axle on each side, one side is 33 inches, other side is 33 1/8 inches. Is there a fix for this and will this cause my bow to have a whip? Thank you, your channel rocks
MFJJ, can you try a BG sight through them? I was told it was just the pro sights with the wing truss. The BG dovetails like the ascent will fit. Any clarity from you vs. pro shops around here will be gold. Thanks
IBO rating says “up to” 340. IBO is tested at the bows max capacity which would be with the 75 lbs mod. ATA rating is constant and would likely rate this bow at 330.
Hoyt and Matthew can definitely shoot their IBO speed if they were shot at maximum capacity poundage, but 70 pounds is usually the weight everyone shoot at only. 350grain arrow, 80 pound limbs, 80% let off with 30 draw, yeah I’m confident that arrow will hit 340fps, if not over.
Hello. Are the limbs the same or same lengh with 29 and v3 31? They have same brace so probably same reflex... Riser has changed a little, nobody really commenting on that. Hope that 31 stays in the lineup, better bow imo than 29... No replacement for ata..😏
I have a general question for someone that is new to bow hunting in general. I am looking to get my first bow, the question I have is do i need a right-hand or left-handed bow because I am left eye dominate but right handed. I know this probably isnt the right place to ask this question, but i havent really found anywhere that i could get an answer. I know from my time in the Army the difference between shooting a rifle is between a marksman vs an expert shooter. If it matters im in the southeastern US so it would be the smaller whitetail that i would mainly be hunting.
Btw, do you measure the DL on the bow before speed test or trust the numbers? I have to run C mod on V3 31 to get 30" draw. If the bow's couple fps slow on ½" extra DL then that doesn't sound too good.
@@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music Yes using ATA standard mathews bows measure roughly 1/2" longer than module chart says. My V3 came actually closer to 30 5/8" with B module originally. ANYWAYS my point was since Mr. Bow-Bro here is so happy with the tape measure I guess draw length would be kind of relevant thing to check while at it.
You’re getting different speed ratings the longer you have it drawn back, I bet they’d all be more consistent if you tried holding for exactly 3 seconds every time. Great video though
Hey, Ron here, I have the V3-31! I’ve taken 3 nice Bucks this past year for South Carolina standards. I’m 76 and I’ve shot competitively many years ago on the ASA tour. I hate this damn bow! I shoot 30.5” draw at 60 lbs. it is so hard to draw. I like a bow that is smooth and you almost have to push the string to make it go off! I’ve thought about the Bowtech SOLUTION SS but I’m not sure about the 30” axle to axle. I don’t know how I killed 3 bucks with this bow because I have difficulty putting 3 arrows in the 10 ring at 20 yds consistently while practicing! Sorry to go so long but do you have any suggestions?
Are the limbs pultruded carbon on the new hosyt and Mathew bows.If so I need to know.Thank you for your videos,very thoughtful ,precise and definitely will help bow hunting.
I am looking for a new bow and man your videos help. It will be my first flagship bow and I want to get it right. I have a short draw length of 26.5 inches. What bow still maintains its speeds at short draw lengths best? Or is this a none issue?
Would love to hear more on the integrate rest vs a limb driven (hamskea) option with the new quiver. Can you still get the quiver as close to the riser?
Thanks for another outstanding review! Sure wish I lived close enough to make you my bow shop for purchases and tuning!! I visit family in Sequim every so often but that's still quite a hike from you! My question is did Mathews lengthen the actual riser on the V3X 29 versus the V3 27, or did they change the preloaded limbs to lengthen all by 2 inches or some combination of both? Also, do you know if the new cams can be purchased separately and installed on a V3 27 to add the bow press feature? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.......Brad, Endwell, NY
APA has been doing the pin in the cam aka “cam lock technology” to work on the bow in the field for years…. Oh and it’s a standard feature that’s built into the riser along with a knife/broadhead sharpener, broadhead wrench and nock wrench, not an extra $40 piece..
@@jakudahsymba5453 Mathews are the best bows on the market. Every bow company copies Mathews. Whatever ideas other companies may have. Mathews takes their ideas , and a master piece is created.
@@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music 😂😂😂 dang you on some of that crack too I see.. Don’t get me wrong Mathews makes good stuff, but they’re not “the best” and the majority of companies sure as hell don’t copy them, Especially APA… Mathews haven’t done any real innovation in quite a few years.. They’ll claim to make a bow with a crazy short axle to axle but then throw on gigantic diameter cams which bring the strings right back out to standard axle to axle dimensions. The bows quite often need a good amount of tweaking from the factory to get tuned as well. I know some guys who own bow shops who aren’t big fans at all.. Then let’s not get into advertised speeds vs actual… But hey it’s just like cars.. You got diehards for ford and chevy and ones for honda and toyota….
I have a question for ya. I have the X29 and it has quite a bit more vibration and it's louder than my V3 27 and VXR 28. The bow has been tuned and I've checked everything on the bow 4 times to make sure everything is tight. I've taken everything off the bow and it still does it. In my experience some bows of the same make and model have vibration and some don't. Nobody can explain it and Mathews just says take it to your dealer. Now I've read some people are having the same experience as me and some people say it's completely dead and whisper quiet so it has to be different from bow to bow. Have you ever experienced this and was able to fix the problem? Hope you have an answer for me. Thanks
To me the v3x may have been a bit smoother. I shot them both today. Both of them felt pretty damn dead and both felt great, But I'm going back to buy the v3x in the morning.
Seems there aren't many bows that actually meet published speeds. Saw a video in Australia where the Elite Remedy was faster. Why these companies feel the need to do this is money. Makes one wonder what they are doing different than what you did with spec set up? Twist the string shorter 4-5 turns. Shoot it after it was in the freezer? Use a $5000 chronograph? Anyway, looks like another great hunting hunting bow no matter the math. Speed going down anyway as no one shoots a 350 grain hunting arrow pulling 70#s, I hope. IMO
I’m shooting 26” draw length at 60lbs currently. Do you think a v3 27 or v3x 29 would fit my draw length better? Specs show the v3x 29 is slightly slower then the v3 27?
Just to give you a idea. My brother has a vxr 28 shooting 60lbs @ 27in draw. Chrono at 247fps with a 475gr arrow. My v3 27 at 70lbs with a 27in draw shoots 263fps with a 492gr arrow. I try a 465.2gr arrow and shot 270fps at 70lbs/27in draw.
All these companies say they’re bow goes xyz fps but they’re never do when we get me they text there fps 70lbs 30” 350 or lighter arrow absolutely nothing on the strings and over pulled on a hooter shooter woth the leased amount of let off
I think it’s important to note that your testing of speeds are not tested under the same conditions as the manufactures. IBO SPEED IS NOT 70 pounds 30 inches with 350 grain arrow. All these bows are not short of advertised speeds your just not testing them under the same IBO parameters. Your using ATA standards trying to achieve IBO speeds. Not the same.
It is a bow manufacturer that is from Canada that has made some of the faster.. bows and have some intergradid features that make for a nice rig... they had the "work on your bow in the field" set up for years now
Just picked up a used one today for $750 and wow the last Mathews I shot was an original creed.. I love this bow!!
Solid review. Always fascinating watching MFJJ tread the line between truth and commerce.
Apa bows have always had the ability to press there bows in the field,they use a pin that you stick in the cam.
MMJJ I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS BROTHER , GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS !
The string angle should, and did, look steep as you shot the V3X. Caused me to wonder why, since bow companies offer different axle to axle lengths in the same bow, someone hasn't done a review showing the different string angles at different draw lengths. Something to consider at your end. Thanks for the review.
Check the actual draw lengths on a draw board!! That is the only thing missing from your reviews and is a very important measurement, especially when comparing apples to apples.
We all know Mathews is at least 3/4 inch long on their draw figures. Thats about 10 fps advantage.
APA has had that feature to take the strings off without a press for a long time
I appreciate your video very much. I watch them all that's how I chose to get my bowl this year. And once again we have Matthews lying about their speed. They should change their slogan from catch us if you can't don't leave us in the dust.
They all lie dude! PSE was 14 FPS if the IBO, the Hoyt last year was almost 20 FPS off IBO on some tests. All bow manufacturers exaggerate to an extent but they all seem to shoot are 6-8 FPS if each other which you would not be able to distinguish between 8 FPS difference.
I'm going through all of your 22 reviews. Good stuff. 2 things I'd like to see added...official draw weight at limbs maxed out and measured draw length compared to advertised for module setting.
Great video once again! Thanks for the early review. PJ Reilly from Lancaster said that the dovetail mount system will work with a Black Gold though. Do you guys mind checking that out?
100% black gold does not fit, and it's not close
Started putting money aside! Thanks for your review.
PSE is honest about this stuff actually, the 2020 evo nxt 31 is rated at 329 and I’ve seen it actually chrono 329.
Thx MFJJ. Great stuff. 🏹👍🏽
I think the color is Granite? Maybe I’m wrong
Great review! I'm looking to move away from my 2020 PSE Xpedite due to such a short brace height and limited options for rests. After viewing a few of your bow reviews this bow has my interest. Looks like it may be a great fit for a sub 5'7" shooter. Keep up the great work!
I'm 5'-9" and shot the 29" today. I'm brand new to compound archery, But the thing felt phenomenal. I have only shot a switchback, bowtech solution SS, and hoyt helix, But this v3x 29 felt better than all of them. I came home to think about it overnight, But there was no need. It's the obvious choice for me. Even if there may be something better out there, this this feels as comfortable as I could ever want, So I'm going back in the morning to buy it. It was set at 65# and it had an easier draw than the switchback at 60# and pretty much equal draw as the solution ss at 58#. I truly don't think anyone could go wrong buying this bow. Hope this helps.
Did you end up getting the v3x 29? I’m shooting xpedite nxt and looking to maybe switch to the Mathews
@@joshovans2850 went with the 33 v3x. Just arrived so I haven't shot it yet
@@joshovans2850 Do it, Buddy. The v3x feels and shoots awesome. I don't think you will regret it one bit.
That's the quietest bow I've ever not heard
Great reviews
Everyone on here saying APA has had this… Ok.. but honestly name 5 shops that carrying them! I have over 20 pro shops in my area and they have never carried APA bows in my 40 years of bow hunting 🙄
Don’t think I’ve ever seen any at our pro shops in rural Ohio
Well because 1 APA is in canada, 2 they started making bows in 2002 so getting big enough to compete with the big names takes time.. Not to mention most of the major advertisers are getting kickbacks from the big bow companies. APA is a family business where they’re attention to detail, quality and customer service can’t be beat. You can test drive their bows where they’ll ship one right to you.. There are more distributors popping up all the time as well…. Side note, Ive called them up multiple times over the years and the owner himself actually picked up the phone…
Who carries what bow is completely irrelevant to the fact this “technology” or feature rather is not new. It’s sort of a half-assed way of discrediting someone else’s hard work. A sad one at that
I’ve noticed that all the bows he has checked has been a little over 10 fps off. Maybe he needs to recalibrate his chronograph. No matter how good a brand sometimes you just need to do some recalibrating or maybe the chronograph is just off. Mathews, Hoyt, and others I’m sure have an industry standard when it comes to checking bow speed. It would be awesome to get with one of the companies and see how they get their IBO speeds.
Good morning Mr Jones, wondering if you could help me? I have a Mathews v3x 33 and the yoke cables are leaning more to one side. When I measure axle to axle on each side, one side is 33 inches, other side is 33 1/8 inches. Is there a fix for this and will this cause my bow to have a whip? Thank you, your channel rocks
MFJJ, can you try a BG sight through them? I was told it was just the pro sights with the wing truss. The BG dovetails like the ascent will fit. Any clarity from you vs. pro shops around here will be gold. Thanks
Black Gold does not fit period!! And model currently avaliable does not fit
I wonder if you can get a higher speed shooting from a Hooter.
IBO rating says “up to” 340. IBO is tested at the bows max capacity which would be with the 75 lbs mod. ATA rating is constant and would likely rate this bow at 330.
Hoyt and Matthew can definitely shoot their IBO speed if they were shot at maximum capacity poundage, but 70 pounds is usually the weight everyone shoot at only. 350grain arrow, 80 pound limbs, 80% let off with 30 draw, yeah I’m confident that arrow will hit 340fps, if not over.
There are plenty of bows that offer a system to press the bow in the field.
Would love to see a review on the darton spectra e
How well are all these test bows tuned before putting them through the chronograph?
so can you sell the bow and ship say to Tennessee lol but not the accessories?
Hello. Are the limbs the same or same lengh with 29 and v3 31? They have same brace so probably same reflex... Riser has changed a little, nobody really commenting on that. Hope that 31 stays in the lineup, better bow imo than 29... No replacement for ata..😏
I have a general question for someone that is new to bow hunting in general. I am looking to get my first bow, the question I have is do i need a right-hand or left-handed bow because I am left eye dominate but right handed. I know this probably isnt the right place to ask this question, but i havent really found anywhere that i could get an answer. I know from my time in the Army the difference between shooting a rifle is between a marksman vs an expert shooter. If it matters im in the southeastern US so it would be the smaller whitetail that i would mainly be hunting.
Btw, do you measure the DL on the bow before speed test or trust the numbers? I have to run C mod on V3 31 to get 30" draw. If the bow's couple fps slow on ½" extra DL then that doesn't sound too good.
Mathews isn't 1/2 long. Mathews is ATA measured from back of grip. IBO is measured from front of the grip.
@@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music Yes using ATA standard mathews bows measure roughly 1/2" longer than module chart says. My V3 came actually closer to 30 5/8" with B module originally. ANYWAYS my point was since Mr. Bow-Bro here is so happy with the tape measure I guess draw length would be kind of relevant thing to check while at it.
You’re getting different speed ratings the longer you have it drawn back, I bet they’d all be more consistent if you tried holding for exactly 3 seconds every time. Great video though
Hey, Ron here, I have the V3-31! I’ve taken 3 nice Bucks this past year for South Carolina standards. I’m 76 and I’ve shot competitively many years ago on the ASA tour. I hate this damn bow! I shoot 30.5” draw at 60 lbs. it is so hard to draw. I like a bow that is smooth and you almost have to push the string to make it go off! I’ve thought about the Bowtech SOLUTION SS but I’m not sure about the 30” axle to axle. I don’t know how I killed 3 bucks with this bow because I have difficulty putting 3 arrows in the 10 ring at 20 yds consistently while practicing! Sorry to go so long but do you have any suggestions?
Are the limbs pultruded carbon on the new hosyt and Mathew bows.If so I need to know.Thank you for your videos,very thoughtful ,precise and definitely will help bow hunting.
Limbs are not made from carbon. They're made from fiber glass.
Was told by another shop that other dovetail sights fit…but none of them actually work…can you elaborate on that?
You shoot some with a biscuit and this one with a drop away. Does the biscuit slow your arrows down a little? Like 5fps or so
I am looking for a new bow and man your videos help. It will be my first flagship bow and I want to get it right. I have a short draw length of 26.5 inches. What bow still maintains its speeds at short draw lengths best? Or is this a none issue?
Would love to hear more on the integrate rest vs a limb driven (hamskea) option with the new quiver. Can you still get the quiver as close to the riser?
Granite brother not graphite. Agreed nice color but ambush green is still the nicest. !!
For a person with a 25.5 DL would you choose the 27 or 29 for western big game hunting? Thanks!
Are you going to post a review of the levitate?
Hey MFJJ. In your opinion which bow has a smoother draw cycle? A v3x 29 or a BowTech solution in comfort? Thanks
Thanks for another outstanding review! Sure wish I lived close enough to make you my bow shop for purchases and tuning!! I visit family in Sequim every so often but that's still quite a hike from you! My question is did Mathews lengthen the actual riser on the V3X 29 versus the V3 27, or did they change the preloaded limbs to lengthen all by 2 inches or some combination of both? Also, do you know if the new cams can be purchased separately and installed on a V3 27 to add the bow press feature? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.......Brad, Endwell, NY
Still preloaded limbs
Do you have a chart for the Switchweight mods on the V3x 29ATA?
Hi MFJJ. How is the does the draw cycle of the vx3 29 compare to that of the V3 31? Also does the v3x have less torque
Can you chrono a V3X 29 in 75lb 30 inch draw?
Will a CBE single pin sight fit the new mount system
APA has been doing the pin in the cam
aka “cam lock technology” to work on the bow in the field for years…. Oh and it’s a standard feature that’s built into the riser along with a knife/broadhead sharpener, broadhead wrench and nock wrench, not an extra $40 piece..
And mathews will always be better
@@mannygonzalez2868 😂😂😂 you gotta lay off that crack lol
@@jakudahsymba5453 Mathews are the best bows on the market. Every bow company copies Mathews. Whatever ideas other companies may have. Mathews takes their ideas , and a master piece is created.
@@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music 😂😂😂 dang you on some of that crack too I see.. Don’t get me wrong Mathews makes good stuff, but they’re not “the best” and the majority of companies sure as hell don’t copy them, Especially APA… Mathews haven’t done any real innovation in quite a few years.. They’ll claim to make a bow with a crazy short axle to axle but then throw on gigantic diameter cams which bring the strings right back out to standard axle to axle dimensions. The bows quite often need a good amount of tweaking from the factory to get tuned as well. I know some guys who own bow shops who aren’t big fans at all.. Then let’s not get into advertised speeds vs actual… But hey it’s just like cars.. You got diehards for ford and chevy and ones for honda and toyota….
I have a VXR 28. Is it worth trading up for the VX3?
How much creep is there at full draw?
I have a question for ya. I have the X29 and it has quite a bit more vibration and it's louder than my V3 27 and VXR 28. The bow has been tuned and I've checked everything on the bow 4 times to make sure everything is tight. I've taken everything off the bow and it still does it. In my experience some bows of the same make and model have vibration and some don't. Nobody can explain it and Mathews just says take it to your dealer. Now I've read some people are having the same experience as me and some people say it's completely dead and whisper quiet so it has to be different from bow to bow. Have you ever experienced this and was able to fix the problem? Hope you have an answer for me. Thanks
Anyone know if the mods for the V3X are the same as previously V3, VXR?
What bow do you shoot
Graphite = Granite
How does the v3x compared to the solution for the handshock? Which one would you pick, the solution or the new v3x?
To me the v3x may have been a bit smoother. I shot them both today. Both of them felt pretty damn dead and both felt great, But I'm going back to buy the v3x in the morning.
Seems there aren't many bows that actually meet published speeds. Saw a video in Australia where the Elite Remedy was faster. Why these companies feel the need to do this is money. Makes one wonder what they are doing different than what you did with spec set up? Twist the string shorter 4-5 turns. Shoot it after it was in the freezer? Use a $5000 chronograph? Anyway, looks like another great hunting hunting bow no matter the math. Speed going down anyway as no one shoots a 350 grain hunting arrow pulling 70#s, I hope. IMO
The companies don't like they test bows with light weight arrows not 350 grain
Question: could I damage my Mathews V3 by adjusting poundage from 50 to 60# with the limb bolts?
No
is it possible to put these cams on say a vertix???
Yes
I’m shooting 26” draw length at 60lbs currently.
Do you think a v3 27 or v3x 29 would fit my draw length better?
Specs show the v3x 29 is slightly slower then the v3 27?
Just to give you a idea. My brother has a vxr 28 shooting 60lbs @ 27in draw. Chrono at 247fps with a 475gr arrow. My v3 27 at 70lbs with a 27in draw shoots 263fps with a 492gr arrow. I try a 465.2gr arrow and shot 270fps at 70lbs/27in draw.
Go shoot both bows. See which one you like. I will tell you tho. The 27 is a faster bow and a little more aggressive bow. I love my V3 27.
Any chance a person who shoots 47.5 pounds will be able to buy that bow?
I would look at the Mathews Prima. Awesome bow for that draw weight. Similar to this bow but better for short DL and low weight
The new Garmin Xero dovetail doesn’t fit.
All these companies say they’re bow goes xyz fps but they’re never do when we get me they text there fps 70lbs 30” 350 or lighter arrow absolutely nothing on the strings and over pulled on a hooter shooter woth the leased amount of let off
Also, it shouldn’t feel “any harder to pull.” Let off has nothing to do with the pull!
I think it’s important to note that your testing of speeds are not tested under the same conditions as the manufactures. IBO SPEED IS NOT 70 pounds 30 inches with 350 grain arrow.
All these bows are not short of advertised speeds your just not testing them under the same IBO parameters. Your using ATA standards trying to achieve IBO speeds. Not the same.
Here’s the real question. What’s an APA🤣
It is a bow manufacturer that is from Canada that has made some of the faster.. bows and have some intergradid features that make for a nice rig... they had the "work on your bow in the field" set up for years now
Definitely worth your time to look them up and watch some vids on them
Couldn’t a guy just use some para chord and make there own SAS?