A Triple-Header of 1960s Formula Racing - Revisiting rFactor2
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Monaco, Spa, Monza, a steering wheel and three pedals - It doesn't get much more pure than this. It's been almost 10 years since this trio of tracks and beautiful formula cars were released along with rFactor 2 as its launch content. And upon its launch in 2012 it maybe could not be appreciated as much as it is today. Now that rFactor 2 has received numerous updates, and we're all running better hardware, the stock content can be seen for what it really was. So a revisit today to rFactor 2's stock content and what it has to offer. For my money it's some of the best offline racing to be found in Sim Racing today.
rFactor 2 - store.steampowered.com/app/36...
EVE Historic Car - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Monaco - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Spa - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Monza - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
billyblaze original 1960s F2 carpack - forum.studio-397.com/index.ph...
My 1968 F2 cars with ratings/training for the stock 3 tracks
(I wouldn't recommend mixing the set above and mine, there may be conflicts).
Credits to billyblaze for many of the paint schemes (the poorly painted ones are the ones I did ;) !):
www.mediafire.com/file/4qehh8...
To install place in your 'UserData/player/Settings/Historic Challenge_EVE_1968' folder.
In the races AI were set to 96% difficulty, 60% Aggression and 0% Limiter
Email - gplaps67@gmail.com
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0:00 Intro
4:55 Championship Background
6:28 Round 1 - Monaco
23:24 Round 2 - Spa
39:42 Round 3 - Monza
57:55 Final Thoughts 
Игры
AC’s classic Monza had the bankings laser-scanned before the repavement that was made a few years ago, so they actually reproduce the original surface
Yes, but it was the original surface after decades of neglect and use by rallycross, so it’s still not 100% accurate to how it would’ve been in the early days, but it’s still cool nonetheless.
@@Logan912 Yeah I was thinking surely the original surface had buckled and made for a more unstable drive by that point. The bumps in AC feel super sketchy for most cars.
The unique thing about rf2 is you can race at a great rendition of the classic layouts of Monaco, Spa and Monza, and then race a more modern formula car like the 2011 Marussia around a laser scanned version of Monaco, Spa and Monza.
Mad how you can see how the tracks have changed from the drivers’ POV
Makes me want to get this game! Weird, though, that someone parked what looks like a C6 Vette in ‘60s Monaco.
These were the tracks and cars that got me into rF2. I still remeber a video with the Matra F1 at Spa being shown before release and it was a rush compared to anything been released until that point. Then when I first got to try it, this combination sold me on the the whole product, instantly. Let's be honest, those cars and tracks definitley need an update with the new track tech and shaders in rF2 and it's a shame that we still have to see the modern Corvette SC in the pits. But the driving sensation is still great, even after ten years with no substantial updates to those cars and tracks. Luckily modders and Reiza with their DLC have added a few more historic tracks over the years.
yeah ha ha I never raced those tracks, I was surprised by the corvette as it could race against those guys ha ha ha
The classic GPLaps era. I'm excited its an hour long.
This game's physics and camera movements look amazing!
The Grand Prix film very much brought to mind here with pals Phil Hill & Richie Ginther’s on-board footage from F3 cars at these 3 actual ‘65 circuits. I was fortunate to see this in 70mm Cinerama and the full immersion of that huge screen wrapping your peripheral vision, with a 6-track roaring audio, catapults you down these roads.
That experience bleeds into the immediacy of this one, with these 3 monumental RF2 tracks, as I still got the chills to see you sliding on the Monaco quay, go blasting through the Eifel & hit that huge bump on the Monza banking on that terrifying, Sarti-esque opening lap & then you lose the championship by a nose between two other cars out of your sight, with an “Oh well”.
Very Spirit of ‘66 😺
That's the biggest sensation of speed I've ever seen around the Monza banking. Amazing stuff.
28:23 Holy shit Pescarolo is murdered by a telephone pole!
Weirdly, I’ve had a similar “rediscovery” of RF2 with the Tatuus cars and the modern versions Spa Silverstone Monaco Monza Zandvoort… ok loading times are still stoopid, but RF2 is really really good again!
@@kuroneko9270 RF2 is my fave too… yet for lots of reasons I’ve spent more time in AC & ACC & AMS2, but I think I’ll be coming back to RF2 a lot atm because it’s improved so so much
Load times will be slow first time you load a track or change graphics settings. Then after that hey get faster.
The new RC seems to have reduced that first time load wait.
I don’t know if you continued playing it, but loading times are really good these days.
What you need for a snappy feeling rf2 however is a M2 ssd.
The enormous reading speeds of them really bring rf2 alive and they got affordable these days.
I use multiple Lexar 4th. Gen 4tb m2 ssd and they aren’t even 200 bucks a piece.
If you go 3rd. Gen and 2tb you don’t even pay more than 50 bucks.
@@rolux4853 yes I’m very much playing a LOT of RF2’s online past couple of months, good fun & usually clean racing!
Great time for sim racing at the moment with RF2 AMS2 ACC & mods for AC 😀
@@wibblewabblewoo6249 that’s great to hear!
I’m absolutely in love with rf2 and the vintage mods available for it, it’s by far the best feeling sim.
It’s amazing to me to see all the great vintage leagues using rf2.
A highlight for me was watching the historic sim racing league that Jake promoted.
I watched his onboard streams and the amazing race broadcasts at least 10 times each!
They just have that specific feeling to them that makes me feel comfortable and at home.
They perfectly portrait the rfactor2 vintage mod feeling to me and I’m very happy that this event happened.
A little offtopic here, but still about rf2:
What made me love RFactor2 even more was changing my Fanatec Podium DD1 wheelbase to a Simucube 2 pro.
With the Simucube you can feel every little crack in the road and every little pebble when you put one wheel off track.
I can nie perfectly feel when the tires start sliding and where exactly the grip ends and sliding begins.
With the fanatec I thought I felt everything possible and I was absolutely satisfied.
Until I tried the Simucube and couldn’t believe how it can be even better!
Onboard racing in these old formula cars at classic tracks, is always a good thing.
Also, don’t know how you find the time to do all these races and upload so consistently. The editing is always top notch!
Great video. Also, somehow I had never heard of the film Grand Prix. I'm watching it now and it's amazing. I learn so much from your content.
Almost everything in that film is based on a true event from the previous 15 years of Grand Prix racing. For instance ‘Sarti’ is drawn from Ascari who survived plunging into the harbour at the Monaco ‘55 GP only to be killed in testing a few days later, at the Monza corner now named for him. However, ‘Sarti’s’ death is more like Jean Behra at AVUS and it was a different F1 driver who left his wife after a season-long affair with a journalist & then died in an accident the next season. Even the crashes at Spa you see from the helicopter are real and unplanned, with a sudden rainstorm causing two of the stunt drivers to wipe out, one of them breaking his shoulder. Combined that with Phil Hill & Richie Ginther driving around with ground breaking radio-controlled cameras on their F3 cars at Monaco, Spa & the Monza banking as well as the ‘Stoddart’ character wearing Jackie Stewart’s helmet colors because the actor couldn’t drive so its really Stewart under that face mask whenever you see him drive his car. The film is as real as can be & its odd to me that the plot is sometimes dismissed as a melodrama when in reality they just didn’t bother to make any of it up.
GP Laps brings me great joy. I'm so loving this content. The late Episcopal priest and Jungian analyst John Sanford, said once that the ethic of the kingdom of God is not obedience as is commonly thought, rather creativity. That statement always stuck with me, and I'm reminded of it whenever being witness to remarkable creativity as is the case here with GP Laps.
I am building a 6DOF motion platform racecar simulator. I am looking forward to its completion so I can join in on this vintage racing fun. I had a gaming computer built specifically for this. I'm fixin to turn this endeavor into a RUclips channel. I may have mentioned this already in a previous comment. My dad Barrey Robles raced a GT-350 R model at Riverside a few times back before I was born. I'd like to re-create that for him. I got a Simucube wheelbase, Racewerk hydraulic pedals, VNM shifter, Sparco seat and a Buttkicker haptics system. The 6DOF is a system by PT-Actuator. They are a sponsor of my upcoming channel. I will certainly be mentioning and paying great honor to GP Laps on my channel. Thank you for this labor of love.
Fitting for the era that Derek Bell's crash would put him straight through the unprotected marshal. Wild to think how far safety has come, not just for drivers, but for track workers as well
I know you revisited RF2 here, but since becoming a fan, it’s inspired me to revisit AC, and run some of the classic courses offered through mods now. I’ve gotten so caught up racing GT3 and Australian Supercar wanting to just be as fast as possible, stressing about my set up, ordering better wheel and cockpit in the hope of getting even 1 second faster, that I forgot why I even got into sim racing. Thanks man. It’s good to still have fun, and your videos made me remember that.
no video makes me say "ah the good old days" as much as your videos lol
The tyre model of rF2 is such a gem! tyre (visual) deformations, hotspots, flatspots, grip and then the track itself gets rubbered in and you can save the track rubber setting for use later, even wet weather! puddles, dry racing lines, better grip in the non rubbered parts because rubber is slippery when wet
This is the best AI I've ever seen. It's so refreshing to see them actually be able to make a small error.
My issue with both rfactor and rfactor 2 is they provide a bit of everything but nothing felt complete enough to get my teeth into to keep coming back to them again and again.
Also. You've excelled yourself on the editing of this video Jake.
You are the reason I’ve added new titles to my collection. Maybe you could do a video about training AI and tuning.
This is one of the best videos you’ve ever done. Absolutely loved it. Keep up the good work 👍
Love your content and enthousism for classic racing! Thank you!
Top notch editing Jake, well done again!
This and a glass of 🍷 just perfect 👏 really hope you do more, cause it's amazing to watch 🏁
Great choices for classic racing tracks. All three of these tracks have unique features. As always you put on a great show.
Brilliant as always. You spoil us.
Enjoying this video on my birthday 💯
Jake your videos are the gift that keeps on giving brother. Thanks for the upload, I really enjoyed watching this. Keep up the good work my friend
Great stuff Jake. Loved that. Very much into my historic racing and rF2. Great sim imo. Sadly not sim racing just now as need to move house and build a new rig so this was so good to see. Would love to see you do more rf2.
Nicely put about "fog being lifted from the driving" 👍 I did a lot of iRacing back in the days and doing Automobilista after that I had a very similar experience. Never done rFactor 2 but I understand AMS has the same engine.
Lastly, enjoy your videos. Keep him coming. You do a fine job they are very entertaining.
It is pure joy watching you get your elbows out against such competitive AI. Solid entertainment. Oh and I'm loving racing the 55 car set with this 10K layout in Grand Prix Legends. The Lancia(?) is wobbly when braking but the Gordini T16(?) is a treat to drive.
The physics of RF2 are imho the best of any sim but the loading times, the horrible UI (which especially in VR is SO bad that it feels like they made it as bad as possible on purpose). It's so frustrating that RF2 has this amazing engine yet the devs managed to f everything else in this sim up so badly.
Agreed. I reinstalled it just for the Jim Pearson IOM TT conversion, but everything outside of driving in RF2 is such a pain.
@@davesouthword1298 That IOM track is great, also Targa Florio is better in RF2 than both of the Assetto Corsa versions. When you finally are driving in RF2 it's absolutely awesome, but the painfull UI, loading times and numerous issues make it that I hardly play RF2 :-/
The sound is pretty trash too.
@@jamesstewart1794 The sound didn't bother me that much. But I'm very pleased that meanwhile rf2 reworked the ui into something much better :)
fun indeed. especially I'm watching the race.
Beltoise at coming out of Stavelot, the very definition of tank-slapper!
This is a cosy video.
Ernesto 'Tino' Brambilla and his brother Vittorio ( the Monza gorilla) were racing each other on their motorcycles back to their fathers worksop one night. Dad decided they were late and not turning up so shut the big wooden gates just as they came flying around the fast left hander to the gates! THUD!
"Blanchimont feels a little tighter" it may have been Surtees who said 'you have to back off for every corner for a fast lap' or something similar.
8:46 We have a time traveller here :-)
Camera shots are good.
That version of Monaco actually looks fun to drive vs what we have now in the current track.
OMG please more F1 from the 60's.
Thanks for the mention! Oddly enough I just discovered your channel and subbed a couple of weeks ago! As a big historics guy, your channel is right up my alley, and the content is *very* high quality indeed. Would love it if you would do a vid with my 1968 F1 pack for the EVE - it's on the Steam Workshop. Anyways, keep up the amazing work!
Ive taken a look at the pack its very well done! Maybe something for a future vid!
28:37 Green stripe guy hit a telephone pole.
Great video mate, great fun. Monaco is an awesome circuit to drive but not the greatest for racing as there isn't really any areas to overtake, your really waiting for someone in front to make a mistake mostly, or jankily slipping past them on that Grand Hotel hairpin.
The AI surprisingly looks good.
Jake I don’t remember, have you tried the 1954 Endurance mod for rF2?
I'm intrigued can you provide a link please?
There is a typo on the shell ad at Monza in italian is "Accelerazione" not "Accellerazione". That's fun.
Nice and just did a couple of laps in AMS2 Beta around Monza 10k with chicane before I discovered your video😀 I also did a couple of laps in rF2 now (EVE F1, Monza) and the track-surface is really very bumpy from the FFB. My SimuCube 2 ripped out of my hands while driving straight while the FFB was rather too soft in the corners to be true. Otherwise it isn't that different and I prefer the handling in AMS2 while drifting quite a lot through corners, but only on the throttle. Might be due to setup since rF2 felt much softer and unstable driving straight, which usually is more forgiving in corners. Reducing driving height helped a bit, but I didn't tweak the suspension and differential to get more out of it. In AMS2 the Lotus is the most edgy on the limit and better avoid it (unlike Jochen Rindt😶). The Ferrari is better in both Vintage Classes and much quicker around Monza, the Brabham even more forgiving, but too slow on straights.
Racing from a time when Men were Men, and crash structures were Bones!
Man that guy on the left at 28:37 died real hard
Great video, does anyone have leagues for racing the genre on line? This is my favorite period.
You should do a race on the project cars 2 historic tracks.
I wish I lived in the same city as you. I'd love to come and visit, and just watch you race and create content, nerding out talking vintage race series and tracks.
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My biggest gripe with rFactor 2 is the missing clutch simulation.
I know there's that workaround, (Grinding Tranny) but still.
I noticed that you brake twice as deep (say at the Parabolica) than you do in GPL, which strikes me as much more realistic.
Silverstone!
Have you tried the Kyalami 75(off memory I think,have it somewhere on my pc) which is really close to the original track? I think it's based off of the old Automoballista track. Also have you tried the Rouen mod?
How was the Lotus 49 in iRacing in comparison? I'm a big fan of these cars in rFactor 2, the feel is so natural and detailed. Sadly, I'm unaware of any (European) online league for the 60s formulas in rFactor 2, and thinking of moving to iRacing. It's a big investment for me though, and I probably couldn't go back to "foggy" feel anymore.
It feels like I just watched the same video a couple hours ago 🤔
Apologies, there was a problem with the initial upload
What’s a Corvette C6/7R doing right after the start/finish at Monaco?
There is so much potential for a great historic sim in rfactor 2, but as per usual with this sim, it is unfortunately not utilised.
They should never have changed the old Monza circuit.
Awsome
Where can one search and get rF2 content (non original) these days?
The left-hander at the top of the hill at Monaco is Massenet, named for a well-known artist. Somewhere along there, there's actually a statue of him that was erected.
I'm glad that the newer, more accurate versions of Old Spa have the banked Stavelot and the corner before it separated. That turn before Stavelot proper is Holowell, and sometimes the straight after the Masta Kink is referred to as the Holowell Straight.
The left-hander where Variente Ascari is now was called Vialone.
I think the North Banking had to be more built up, since the road course goes underneath it, but as I recall, the South Banking is half dug into the ground and half built up on concrete columns.
Not as sure about banking, but the Lesmos definitely used to be quite a bit quicker than they are these days. The last notable revision I think was made for the 2000 season.
I guess you could do the Australian GP at Longford.
Yeah, I can't think just right off what other classic tracks there are in rF2 that would be good with the big cars.
Massenet is a composer, not an artist.
Clearly, it's been just a bit too long since I looked him up.
Thanks for the great AI you provided. Thanks to you RF2 is playable again for me. Had a blast driving trough Monaco.
Did you do a qualifying? In the race I'm able to keep up at your recomended AI setting at 96% but in qualifying I'm 3 seconds off the pace.:/
Yeah they are a bit fast in Quali. You may be able to lower the "QualifySpeed" variable in each of the 'rcd' files which controls each driver's speed. Right now its set to be the same as their normal speed for every driver I think, but lowering it could potentially make them slower just in qualifying.
@@GPLaps That's an idea. I will try that. Thanks👌
And i should mention if you are speeding up the session using the 'finish session' or 'next session' selection, the times the AI do have no real bearing on what they can actually do. You're better off fast-forwarding with time acceleration through the session instead so the AI actually turn real lap times.
@@GPLaps
Thanks. I already knew that. 😉
GTR 2 and RF1 had the same issue.
I also wanted to know if you use the stock .ini files for your PnG videos? Your AI seems more well behaved than mine :D
If you use a custom setup maybe you could do a tutorial how to setup a good AI.🏎
RFactor 2 the load times 😞
But the loading times are faster in rF2 once it's in the cache after the first launch. After it loads faster than iRacing here and just today an update got released promising faster loading times as well.
Why is there a modern Corvette parked on the inside of St. Devote on a 60s version of Monaco? It somewhat breaks the immersion every lap :(
Why not make a mid-race texture option? Where the cars and drivers look worn, tired and dirty.
Show room clean all the time always looks like the cars aren't being pushed.
You should do the same thing with AMS 2 that actually realesed Monza dlc soon..Ams 2's historic tracks and cars way better than rfactor 2 and have lots of choices...
I think it would be appreciated if you man in depth tutorials about the files that need to be adjusted to get the best racing for several series, example NASCAR, IndyCar, in the game. This game is okay overall however all the incredible features and nuances of this game are muted by the fact of bad offline racing. A lot of people race online however there is twice as many of us that race offline due to several reasons such as work and just life schedule in general. When you don't how to set this game up and tweak the files, for a lot of us it's too much work.
Like & appreciate all you did but I think/ feel that because of all the amount of tweeking needed with files . RF2 isn't a great sim. Not a lot of users understand major file tweeking.
I like what you are doing man. But the AI is making ljve a bit too easy for you though... But other than than, great 👍
I rewatched that Monaco preview video they made a hundred times, I was looking forward to what RF2 had in store so much. It was soul crushingly disappointing to see development go absolutely nowhere for years, while all the competition kept improving in one way or another, just for them to release it to a terrible subscription service. On top of that, the graphics and UI were such an eyesore that the "finished" version was basically dead on arrival. There's no doubt the physics were great, but when the entire sim racing community says "no thanks, we're moving on", that's proof that the developer catastrophically messed up.
I tried it again after it was sold to Studio 397, and spent a day of agony installing it and the mods that I was interested in, just to be let down again by what I believe to still be the worst UI in all of sim racing. After finally getting into a car and seeing those out of date graphics, the disappointment came rushing back, and even though the old grand prix cars drive really well around those old tracks, Rfactor 2 just isn't the historic sim racing game I was hoping it would become.
Turbocharged/Supercharged straight-4 powered F2 car on The Triple Headers is where men separated from the boys and gods. You maybe good. but you're far from greatest.
Terrific! Brought back fond memories of GPL. Amazing content, and appreciate the links.