Siskel & Ebert Review - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Annie, Grease 2, Hanky Panky
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2021
- In this episode, Siskel and Ebert review: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Annie, Grease 2 and Hanky Panky.
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"Commanding a starship is your first, best, destiny." What a great line!
The needs of the many, Yo.
The Wrath of Khan is easily one of the best sequels ever made. Its arguably the best of the OT Star Trek movies. So powerful.
I think it was worth seeing more than once, and revitalized the franchise. However, an analysis said that as well as being a sequel to "Space Seed," it also drew on "The Deadly Years" and "Balance of Terror" similar to _The Motion Picture_ being a re-hash of "The Changeling" episode.
I would argue against it being the best ST movie. In retrospect it was filled with stupidity and had nothing new to say, unlike _IV_ and _VI._
They changed Romulans and their neutral zone to Klingon to save a few bucks, so they could use Klingon ships from the previous movie.
The Reliant goes to the wrong planet, not realizing that there's a planet missing, or counting that Ceti-Alpha VI is now the fifth planet.
Khan's people must have slept with their ears to the ground to have lost so many people to an ear worm.
Also, all of his followers are not the age of his peers who ruled other countries, or the next generation, but an in-between generation of mostly sycophants.
The crew of Reliant couldn't prevent their ship from being taken over (off-screen).
Starfleet and the Federation was pretty lax about security for a planet-altering Genesis device (which also feels way beyond their tech-level).
"I did nothing, but got caught with my pants down." -Admiral Kirk. A good summary of him being called to Regula 1 and getting hit by Reliant with his shields down.
Finally, Spock realizes that "His pattern indicates 2-dimensional thinking," but they don't do it right. They should have moved on the z-axis (like they did) but then altered the pitch to be facing the plane the Reliant is cruising in. Then when it comes in front of them, shoot it, without Khan knowing where the shots are coming from. While the Enterprise rising up behind Reliant looks impressive, Khan could have been altering shots in the viewscreen to look left, right and back, and could have shot them before they shot him. I'd like an alternate ending video where he sees them, says "There she is. AFT Torpedoes, FIRE!" and blows up the Enterprise.
Then, the thing about Kirk feeling old is like 10 or 20 years too early. Other Captains we knew from the original series were older than he was.
Next, killing Spock was tragic, but it became a pointless waste of time, by just bringing him back in the next movie, which also borrowed stealing the Enterprise (imagine if they'd parked outside) from _The Menagerie: Part 1._ It was a stunt, like destroying the Enterprise, which came back in the fourth movie.
Finally, it didn't offer any kind of social commentary like _The Voyage Home_ (which may have helped save the whales), and _The Undiscovered Country_ about people not accepting historical change. There were so many things they could have explored like women's equality, gay rights, excessive defense spending, drugs, migrants and illegal immigrants, similar to how the original series did issues of its time.
Agree with Gene here... Shatner is great in ST2. I believe it is the best performance of his career, by far.
great performance in 3 also. terribly wounded but willing to do anything to save his friend.
Not better than his performance in the Six Million Dollar Man.
Ricardo Montalban doing Shakespeare is what made this movie great. To this day, it's my favorite Star Trek episode of all time, including the reboots, which were all very good.
Ricardo Montalban made this movie. period! RIP
Not Shakespeare, but Herman Melville's _Moby Dick._
It was Moby Dick.
I think you’re getting confused with Star Trek 6. That’s where the Klingon general keeps quoting Shakespeare. I just watched it on tv.
What’s interesting is it was made by the same director of this film #2. He seems to like using good solid quotable classic literature.
"I didn't think the little girl in _Annie_ was particularly interesting & she couldn't sing very well."
Damn, Gene. Cold blooded.
He was. I grew up reading his reviews in the Chicago Tribune. I really learned how to look at movies in a whole different way from him.
As opposed to Albert Finney, who was (according to Gene) the only one who didn't "blow it," yet spoke most of the lyrics he was supposed to be singing? Puhleeze. Aileen Quinn was far more believable, and this was a movie based on a comic strip!!!
But he was right.
Imagine saying that nowadays. lol
Kahn as the Darth Vader of Star Trek is a perfect assessment.
I was very disappointed that Khan was played by Benedict Cumberbatch in 'Star Trek - Into Darkness'. Surely, a suitably ethnic actor could have been cast, who has Ricardo Montalban's exotic and charismatic qualities? I really missed that sexiness!
@@jerushamaxwell281 I completely agree.
Khan came first 😁, 1967 was awesome
@@jerushamaxwell281 They'd already changed the canon in _Wrath of Khan_ so that his sycophant followers, not his peers, escaped with him. So why not race-bend him, too?
Since movies about the multiverse, and reading _The Secret History of Star Wars_ I like to imagine other versions of _Star Wars_ and _The Empire Strikes Back_ if Lucas had done things differently, like cast Ron Howard, Cindy Williams and Harrison Ford from _American Graffiti._ Or had he killed Darth Vader and let Obi Wan live in _Star Wars,_ then _The Empire Strikes Back_ wouldn't have had Vader or Yoda! So if he'd cast Ricardo Montalban instead of Billy Dee Williams as Lando Calrissian then _Wrath of Khan_ might never have been made!
Thank you for uploading these, watching these two was a staple of my childhood and I don’t think American film criticism has ever rebounded from the loss of these two.
Red Letter Media would like you to hold it’s crystal skull of vodka.
Khaaaaan lol Shatner rocks. The scene with the worms in there ear is epic. 2 thumbs way up.
I was just thinking of that and how it shocked me as a child. Whew!
saavik died.
Wrath of Khan is one of the few movie sequels that actually improves on the original. It also saved the Star Trek franchise from oblivion, after the disastrous first movie.
The first movie made a healthy profit for Paramount and I think it gets too much Hell. I honestly think TMP is a better cinematic experience than Wrath.
@@ricardocantoral7672 I also agree that the first movie was great. In fact it was epic! Was it a little too long....sure, but it made up for it in the special effects, acting, and the ending...which I didn't see it coming.
We could have done with better _Star Trek_ movies than the first two, with some social commentary of the day as the original series used to do, like women's rights, gay rights, drugs, excessive defense spending, migration and illegal immigration, etc. But I think Roddenberry was past it, with his bad ideas for the movies that were shelved.
@@sandal_thong8631 Yeah, it could have been some heavy handed commentary on topical issue but I enjoy the films that they produced.
@@josephscottadams39 TMP is much more palatable when you see it a movie theater. It definitely was not made to watch on a phone.
Bones "Would you like me to get the tranquilliser"
Kirk no nods his head
what does no nods mean?
@Dave Davies as Metallica says nothing else matters! aloha nui loa we're done!!
Had it not been for Star Trek II, I don't think Star Trek as it existed in the '80s and '90s, and on into this century, ever would've happened.
Kirstie Alley made her acting debut 40 years ago in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and that was the same year Paramount Television (the studio that co-produced the Star Trek TV Series) gave us Cheers on NBC
The series didn't get off to a great start in the Nielsen Ratings, but NBC President Grant Tinker saved the show from cancellation, Season 2 cracked the Top 40, but when The Cosby Show came aboard, that's when the show cracked the Nielsen Ratings Top 20 and when The Golden Girls came aboard the following season, Cheers would finally crack the Nielsen Ratings Top 10 for the next 8 seasons
When Shelley Long left Cheers, in came Kirstie Alley and the ratings remained intact which includes season 9 finally getting as high as #1 knocking off both The Cosby Show after 5 seasons and The Original Roseanne after only 1 season and the Final Season of Cheers became the only NBC show that was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 10 during the 92/93 season and after which, Seinfeld moved in Cheers' Timeslot and scored HUGE and stayed in the Top 5 until its finale in 1998
Rest in peace, Kirstie. ❤️❤️❤️
I thought some of these were "fakes" with people adding in more clip-time than was originally to get around rules, but apparently that's how they did the shows in those days.
The clip they showed for Saavik (Kirstie) was not that great; better taking the test, the elevator scene, talking to Kirk on the planet, or asking about Khan following them.
Wow they really changed the format of the show later with less movie and more of the two talking. Also they’d lead with a big picture of the week.
Rog's idea to make Grease 2 in 1969 did happen, it's called Hair.
I saw ST2 in a theater. One of the best sequels Ive seen. Hanky Panky was ok. Annie surprised me. I saw it on DVD for the first time a few years ago and really enjoyed it. Carol Burnett was hilarious. But Grease 2 was awful. Am thankful I didn't see that in a theater. Thanks for uploading this. I watched S&E all the time in the 80s and 90s.
"Annie" was a big disappointment to me. I saw the play back in 1978 and loved the new songs for the film I thought John Houston was the wrong director for a musical film like this. The "You're Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile" and "It's a Hard Knock Life production numbers felt clumsy and claustrophobic to me.
It's easy to forget the KHAN shout is really fast and intense. What a great film
no tit wasnt Spock like "Kaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn" remember grat ovie
He plays it furious, but it could just be a provocation to get him beamed up (or ignored for an hour).
I think trekkies could single handedly thank Ricardo Montalban for saving the franchise....he was a great actor all around but excelled at embracing his dark side and playing the villain. I remember him in many guest TV spots playing "the bad guy"...especially an episode of Columbo.
I totally agree with Gene, I never liked Star Trek but this movie is undeniably well paced and well made
Was usually a fan of Wilder back in the day, but those 2 scenes shown here with him just screaming his lines annoyed the bejesus outa me! There's no way I'd want to watch that movie if that goes on for 80 whole minutes!
Thinking the same thing. This looks awful.😂
That’s crazy 1982 and they was mentioning more black people in movies
Wow we still talking about that now in 2022
I remember having to suffer through Annie in both Elementary School and Junior High. The only bearable parts were the ones with Carol Burnett and Tim Curry.
We had to watch it in school too... but I kinda loved it. 🤷🏾♂️
I saw Star Trek II, Grease 2, and Annie in theaters. Somehow I missed Hanky Panky.
I'd say all 3 are better movies.
Wrath of Khan is easily one of the best films of 1982 aside from John Carpenter’s The Thing in my honest opinion. My honorable mention would be Rocky III.
"Would you like a tranquilizer?" LOL
I love the intro to this show, it never gets old. The old soda machine is interesting, it just auto dispenses a cup, ice and soda in one sequence.
That’s how my local movie theater did it in the 1960’s.
@@markymark3912 when I was a kid a saw coffee machines that did something like this, it would drop a cup and dispense hot coffee in it. I never saw a soda machine like this, I don’t know why but I find it really fascinating
Yeah I would've liked to try some of that "non-carbonated grape" drink. Yuk. Grape juice and popcorn, a classic movie combo.
@@RUclips-tied hehe you don’t like Kool-Aid? I’m sure they had all the flavors of soda 🥤
I don't like this intro, but prefer the next one for _Siskel and Ebert_ where they're on the street getting the paper.
I appreciate you uploading this. Can you put the date of the airing in the description? Thank you.
Shatner and Montalban were amazing; you could feel the familiarity and the hate between them, and even the respect. But I still think Horner was the one who elevated Wrath of Khan from a good movie into a timeless one people are still watching today.
Star Trek II just made Star Trek and really actualized what the fans of the old TV show always saw it as. It really is like a completely different picture than the first one and saved it. Shatner gave the best performance of his career to that point. Had action and a real villain, which the TV show always lacked. Really every Star Trek series and movie since owes a debt to this movie, as if this was a bomb Star Trek would have probably been a dead property barely remembered as 1960's bad TV
I wish they would have continued with the Dog of The Week segment, or something similar, on their subsequent review shows. God knows there is never a shortage of lousy movies.
Kirk's Best Performance Great Movie 🎥 🙏💙
star trek 2 one of my best movies ever grease 2 i only liked for romano from TJ hooker. ironic these movies were reviewed at the same time with shattner and adrian zammond were both in different movies
"Flashy pinball exercise"... that line has aged amusingly well.
I haven't seen Hanky Panky or Grease 2 but I agree with them about Star Trek 2 and Annie. I do also love the first Grease.
is, quite surprised, that neither said, of the 'Hanky Panky' clip: "wasn't this done, in 1963, except, featuring Buddy Hackett, Mickey Rooney and, Jim Backus?"
I remember going to see Annie as an eight year old. I didn't like it much. It's not because the titular character was a girl. As a boy I watched lots of Disney Sunday Night Movies with girls in them. I have to cast my mind back to how I thought about things as a kid. Annie was a musical. The lack of historical accuracy. In the final scenes where Annie is rescued by Punjab and Mister Warbucks in the helicopter. The movie was set during the Depression, but helicopters did not appear until the late 1940s. All the girls in the cast spoke and sang in shouty, annoying voices.
Why did I go to see Annie? I liked going to movies with my family. I didn't want to miss out.
I FRICKIN' LOVE ANNIE!!!
Aired in 1982
Gene Wilder yelling is always hilarious
Naaa... Get tired of people screaming... Hanky Panky would be the first movie with Gene Wilder that I care little to none for.
“Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan” (1982)
Review: 11:49
Recap: 27:13
Star Trek II is easily the best movie of this bunch that I’ve seen, which only includes Grease 2, which is very weak compared to the first. I do want to see Hanky Panky and Annie, though.
Also, no desire to see Visiting Hours, though I like both William Shatner and Michael Ironside, but I do want to check out Barbarosa.
Wow. Gene Wilder was good in that movie? He screamed all his lines! He was no Robert Donat, and "Hanky Panky" was no "The 39 Steps," that's for sure.
Shouldn't Didi Conn have graduated already?
It was a helluva thing when Spock died.
Thanks for ruining it for me.
@@scottshanahan3827 Everyone has seen that Seinfeld episode. ruclips.net/video/rkMZ4uKNfA0/видео.html
@@greyeyed123 ha! I had forgotten about that.
I was also just joking in case it wasn't clear. I think spoiler alerts have an expiration date, certainly 30 or so years is enough time for everyone to have seen star trek 2
After the leak of Spock's death, they rewrote part of the movie to throw off audiences. Oh, then the movie gets to the end. Boom.
@@ShamrockParticle If memory serves, that was a VERY early leak. Nimoy wanted out of the franchise...but then had a change of heart as they were filming the last scenes. The McCoy thing, if memory serves, was added on the spot to allow a loophole for Spock to return. ("Spoilers", as such, was a term not yet coined, and people didn't care that much back then. I think Joan Rivers was guest hosting The Tonight Show and just blurted it out that Spock dies. Shatner tried to muddy the waters a bit. "Does he?" People didn't care--they just went to movie to find out if the rumors were right or not.)
Michael Ironside in Visiting Hours. I'd almost watch that just for him.
Hola. Tenemos el siguiente problema. La última película que MGM produjo a principios de los 80s fue Brainstorm. Entre Brainstorm y Nine and a half weeks, hay unas 12 películas más del estudio que nunca pasan en ningún canal (de los años 2020s). ¿Qué sucedió con esas 12 películas?. Yo tengo los mini pósters en francés de esas películas. En Francia esas películas pasaron por los cines, pero aquí en Costa Cocos (Colombia) en ninguno de los 25 canales de películas las pasan nunca. Son 12 películas fantasmas de Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer / United Artists Entertainment Company, y hay unas 25 de United Artists estrenadas en los 70s (cuando pertenecía a Transamerica, conocida compañía de seguros), que tampoco las ponen en ningún canal, y uno realmente quisiera verlas. ¿Y adivinen cuales son los nuevos estudios fusionados de moda?. The Paramount Miramax Collection. Paramount le compró las películas extranjeras de Miramax a Buena Vista, compró todas las de Atlantis Entertainment y las de The Samuel Goldwyn Company, para pasarlas todas en su canal de clásicos.
They had no idea about Michelle Pfieffer did they?
What about her?
I appreciated Grease 2 more than they did. Reproduction and Score Tonight were great songs on the soundtrack. Also the humor was good. It was funnier than the first Grease. I don't think it was supposed to be taken seriously. The intentional cheesiness was part of its charm
Hanky Panky👍🌟🌟🌟
Star Trek 2👍🌟🌟🌟🌟
Annie 👍🌟🌟🌟🌟
Wow -- educational.
Gene would have appreciated the movie even more if he was familair with the original Star Trek series and knew about the back story with Khan. That key plot point means everything to understanding the plot of the movie and appreciating its full emotional impact
19:23 grease 2
I have no idea what Hanky Panky is. I love these guys but somehow I doubt it was as good as they said it was. lol
Annie 1982 remains an absolute classic!!! A real family time movie. Aileen Quinn CAN sing for crying out loud. Seriously?!! They foamed at the mouth over Albert Finney as Daddy Warbucks but barely any praise or proper recognition of Carol Burnett as the drunken yet in the end lovable Miss Hannigan. SHE stole the movie. Not Mr. Finney. Who was truly a gifted actor but I felt miscast here due to his limited vocal abilities.
Grease 2: Were S & B high when they reviewed this movie? Have it take place in 1969 or 1979?!! Both films were purposefully set during the same time for a reason- it was a more innocent time!!! And since the original cast was not returning- they had to connect with the new. Hence, Michael being a cousin to Sandy (Olivia Newton-John). And I have never understood the fan fare of John Travolta. Whenever I watch Grease- it is guaranteed that the musical number "Greased Lightning" will skipped. Complete trash.
Now, while Maxwell Caulfield is FAR more attractive than John (in my opinion)- John does have the stronger singing prowess. If it weren't for Olivia Newton-John, I don't think I'd ever have watched the first film more than once. Whereas Grease 2- I honestly lost count for the times I've gladly watched. It's fun, silly, sexy, romantic and for me- far superior to the first film.
Scotty's ass be mad as hell...lmbo
I loved Annie
@18:18 Yea right :/
OK I admit it: I like Grease 2.
So, YOU'RE the one.
@@plissken2156 😀😀😀
It’s so bad that it’s good.
Wow! DeForest Kelley, Kirstie Alley and Leonard Nimoy are now deceased.
As are Gene Siskel (who died in 1999 at age 53) and Roger Ebert (who died in 2013 at age 70).
I liked Grease 2 better than the first one!
11:50 Star Trek II
Well startrek 2 is pretty good!
Don't think I can agree on the rest...
Found Gene Wilders screaming to be a bit too much in Hanky Panky and was disappointed about the lack of comedy..
Saw it in the theater... probably Star Trek at it's peak...but than again...Q...the borg.
...then Sisko and DS9
Gene Wilder is still amazing as Young Frankenstein
I walked out of a screening (not knowing what it was) when I saw they weren't showing _Young Einstein_ which they advertised, but some black and white movie. The lady said, "Einstein, Frankenstein, what's the difference?"
KHAN!!!!...lmbo
Only Shatner could be in the best AND worse movie of the week, lol!
...lmbo
Star Trek 11:50
No memorable songs in GREASE 2??? Reproduction, Score Tonight, Girl for All Seasons, Do It for Our Country?!?!?! Com'on man...
Jene. Gene. Jgene. 😆😆 Don't mind me... 😁
Social class warfare? I think Ebert is describing The Outsiders and not Grease.
Siskel - This is the funniest part of the movie...then proceed to show it
Way to let the cat out of the bag
Yes, but this was before the internet. There's an overwhelming chance that most viewers would forget the specifics of what they saw.
@@FreshTillDeath56 yes I'm aware, but this is actually worse since people had fewer outlets to see what was coming out in the theater
Oh, Grease 2's "Reproduction" is a pretty unforgettable song! 🤢🤮
I love Roger and Gene, but they are so wrong on Grease 2.
SUSIE!!
Kirsty Alley hot factor: 10.
5 years before joining the cast of Cheers
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is good, but Grease 2 is stupid.
Just watch TJ Hooker and you get the stars of both movies!!
Greese 2 is a 👎👎
agreed, nothing beat the Original Grease, I mean, how can anybody top John Travolta and the late Olivia Newton-John along with Stockard Channing and Didi Conn? You can't
They made Grease
@tnawcwvictoria
The only positive I give it, it debut Michell Phiffer, without her their would be no batman returns
Omg I hate that Hanky Panky. I wouldn't see it based those clips. Just screaming and yelling and noise.
Agree!!! The other movies are way better!
ANNIE Became a classic. Grease 2? Not so much.
Well, Grease 2 was only good, because of some of their songs (Back to School Again, We’re Gonna Score Tonight, Cool Rider, Prowlin’, and We’ll Be Together), but their whole story did lose their grip on capturing the same atmosphere, as the first.
I saw Annie when it first came out in the movie theaters in 1982. I liked it enough to stay to watch it a second time.
However, before the movie ever came out, I also saw the original Broadway production. Not once, but 3 separate times. And in my opinion, the Broadway production was far superior to the movie.
They had John Huston directing the movie. While he is renowned to be one of the all time great movie directors, I don't think he was suited to direct a movie musical.
Plus a few numbers that exist in the original play (such as NYC, among others) is not used in the movie. And in the movie new musical numbers (such as Lets go to the movies) are sung that simply didn't exist in the Broadway play.
Also, Gene comparing Pfeiffer's singing to Olivia Newton John is very unfair
Like comparing Streisand to Anne Hathaway
It’s a totally valid comparison, they’re both playing the female lead in a Grease movie.
@@thefonzkiss no it's not, Olivia Newton John was one of the most popular singers at that time , this was Michelle Pfeiffer's first lead movie, she wasn't as good as singer as John
So the comparison is a moot point
Gene said "I can't name a single song from Grease 2." Well, I can, Back to school, Do it for our country, Cool Rider, and Who's that guy?
Star Trek 2 and Rocky 3 were the best movies of 1982. I don't like star wars. I like Star Trek.
Loved Wrath of Khan. One of my all time faves of ant genre.
But, now I remember why we never watched these 2 .
Grease 2 sucked. Annie was huge that summer….I wasn’t a fan tho. Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan was great and unlike the others here …stands the test of time.
Annie was predictable. You know in the end he adopts her and everyone is happy. 🤬
Sure, but they did have some nice dance numbers and songs!
Also the phrase: Leaping Lizards!
Ebert wasn't so fat, interesting.
Wrath of Khan was BOOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIIINNNNGGGGGG
Nobody cares.
@@ricardocantoral7672 yet... here you are
Grease 2 was awful.
"Grease 2 sucked"???!!! "Grease" too sucked!!! They both sucked!!!!
Agreed. I never understood the hype and admiration for the first film. I suppose it resonated with Boomers who grew up in the 50's.
Grease is hardly a favorite of mine but I take it for what it is, a fun, cheesy musical.
I purchased a Wrath of Khan collector plate. I paid $5.00. in 90..2023..$6.00. great investment.
...giggle