Same here. I fell in love with those three ladies and wished they could be my moms. Not that I didn't love my mom, but....to me, Violet, Judy and Doralee were angels.
I remember seeing 9 to 5 on the theater. The audience was mainly women. Multiple times during the movie, I could hear the women saying, "Uh huh"! My mom was nodding her head during it, too. 🙂
As much as I love to see them bicker and tear horrible movies apart, I love watching them discuss great films and analyze what makes them so great much more. We deserved to have these two forever, and dammit we were robbed. Rest In Peace to these two brilliant souls.
1980 was a good year for films. Here are just a few: The Empire Strikes Back The Elephant Man Stir Crazy Airplane! The Shining Ordinary People Melvin and Howard Being There Raging Bull Mad Max Dressed to Kill
Agree. She made a play out of it, too. I liked seeing Dabney Coleman in several films like this one, _Tootsie, Cloak and Dagger,_ and _ Short Time._ The problem with _9 to 5_ is that after all the hijinks the boss still wins and gets promoted (though a blurb at the end said he was kidnapped by Amazons), also the president nixes the equal pay for women, saying "no need to prime the pump."
9 to 5 is a super funny film, but Roger is correct when he bemoans the dream sequences they are too long. I loved even Jane Fonda in this film. Dolly and Lilly shine here, but the supporting cast is also good. Coleman is perfectly cast. Not enough is said about him in this role these days. I think we should try and get more people to watch this film.
"9 to 5" may not be a great film, but it's a landmark film when it comes to women's rights in the workplace. Jane Fonda also dealt with that kind of sexism in her previous role in "The China Syndrome," which was a great movie.
I never quite got the love for Raging Bull. Gene said he didn't like Scarface because Tony was such a louse. Well LaMotta certainly came across as a louse.
Yea, but in "Scarface" Tony Montana is a Cuban dirtbag kind of glamorized as a gangster...there is nothing glamorous about LaMotta or "Raging Bull". Totally gritty, emotional and raw
Great people are often monsters. I think approaching a film from the perspective of rooting for the central character is understandable but very limiting. You could be cheating yourself.
the scenes in raging bull. i mean not just an artistry which it has all the drama but its also a technical feat. the speed of those frames going off in perfect timing one two one like a typewriter then the slow pull back of this punch drunken as he put it "ballet" with the shots the rounds numbered on cards. it has meaning layers just emotion. the slow down of the cameras is perfectly done. theres a forlorn a kind of sadness in raging bull that just echoes. down the years of empty alleyways where deals are done and handshakes in shady smoke filled rooms. all that romance the blood and guts is so neatly conveyed and yet its still always in focus. wonderful and yes a technical achievement. those stunts yknow deniro did all his own fighting in that movie and gained over 50 pounds just by the end you say how did he do this.. i sound like someones italian mother going off somewhere but its a movie for all time. its a great big thunderclap and true to its title.
These guys were usually pretty on-target, but I think they missed the mark on "Nine to Five" which I saw when it first came out. Watching it again now. I'm going to say that sometimes they become too hypercritical.
Goodfellas was the "formative" Scorsese movie for me. Even if Raging Bull was objectively peak Scorsese, I was too young when it came out, and was biased having seen DeNiro & Pesci in Goodfellas first. I didn't really like Casino post-Goodfellas, or Pulp Fiction much after Reservoir Dogs for similar reasons, until further viewings anyhow.
Jane Fonda was in three movies so far this year _80 for Brady, Moving On,_ and _Book Club the Next Chapter (2023)_ and is doing the voice of an animated character in a another, _Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken._ Too bad Dolly Parton didn't join her and Lily in _80 for Brady._
I’ve had the opportunity to work with Dolly and the only way to describe her, is absolute Royalty. If America ever had a monarchy Dolly Parton would be our Queen.
Any Which Way You Can is a lightweight film, but it's entertaining and one of the few sequels better than the original. The Formula is a mess of a film. For a better collaboration between director John G. Avildson and writer Steve Shagan watch the great drama Save The Tiger instead.
I totally agree. Any Which Way You Can was superior in every way to Every Which Way But Loose. Better script, funnier moments and much more charming than the original.
How I miss these boys. Just two guys taking about movies. So simple this concept. And how we loved it so, right? And anyone else doing it feels... phony... Next to these two originals. I hope you two are still sitting across the aisle from each other, up in heaven, and hashing out today's movies. But I have a feeling 98% of them get a thumbs down.
I agree with with everything you said here, but I wanted to add something. When this program came on there was something about the conversation between the two and the program overall that was somehow comforting that kind of put you at ease. The Charlie Rose Show and at times the Tom Snyder Show were also able to create this feeling (in me at least).
The public seem to disagree with these guys. So many they disliked the public loved. They said in the 1980s it was time to end the James Bond franchise.
One of the problems of seeing so many movies, is that they have knowledge of repeats and rip-offs that the public might not get when they go. But they do have to be honest about how they feel, and not say, "I didn't like it, but you might."
I’ve been binge watching several of these episodes of sneak previews before their former host took over and they want to do at the movies, even the movies they don’t recommend or put down a certain far superior to the crap that’s out nowadays, it makes me very sad to think that going to the movies is becoming a thing of the past, all I know is, I’m glad I got to go up during the 70s and 80s and watch all those great and even not so great films in the theater, those memories were good ones
Raging Bull is a great film about a not-so-great man. And I agree with Gene: Any Which Way You Can is all about the ape. A few years afterwards, the orangutan starred in Mr Smith, the talking ape TV series. Dumb series which wasn't as smart as it thought it was.
People change their minds about movies. I didn't love Raging Bull when I first saw it in the 80s, because Jake LaMotta is such a despicable character. Now years later it's in my top 3 Scorsese movies.
Scorsese always liked it, just not as much as most as he loved the first half but hated the second half, leaving his review mixed. He clarifies this in the Best of 1976 episode.
I love 1980 films. I turned 7 in 1980 and became a real movie fan that year as my mom and dad would take me every other week to a movie during that point in my childhood. Saw Popeye, Scanners, The Devil in Max Devlin, 9 to 5, The Shining, etc. Great memories😊.
Raging Bull, the story of a really mean boxer who alienated himself from everybody because he was such a mean miserable jerk. Let's face it, there's not much more to the story than that. De Niro was fantastic portraying LaMotta.
I kinda disagree that AWWYC goes over the same ground. The first movie didn't have what you'd call a standard Hollywood ending. (Spoiler alert) Philo doesn't get the girl and he doesn't win the big fight in the end, and he and Orville limp home only being thankful the Black Widows and those two corrupt cops didn't do them in. They're lucky to still be alive and in one piece. And in the sequel, he beats Jack Wilson and retires with Lynn in his arms--a happy Hollywood ending. Orville and Ma end up right where they need to be, too, and the Black Widows call off their war and learn some respect. There are a lot of the same beats and themes, but the sequel is not just a retread of the original. It's for people who didn't like how the first one ended.
Long time since I watched any of those. Bottom two for me would probably be Raging Bull, and Any Which Way you Can. Yes, I know is considered one of the greatest movies ever made. But i just found it ugly, and boring. I am a fan of the director's movies in general, but not this one. 9 to 5 would probably be the top one for me.
I guess I should see Raging Bull again. I've only seen it once, and I didn't like it. That was partly because it had already been built up as the greatest film since Citizen Kane, but also, I didn't care about Jake LaMotta. He was a stupid, unpleasant character, and he wasn't even violent in an interesting way. He was just an abusive jerk. If I don't like the characters, I don't care about the film.
I am one of the few people who does not like Raging Bull, not even a little bit. Sue me it leaves me cold. 9 to 5 is a fun movie, and The Formula has it's moments. Haven't seen the other movie.
"9 to 5" is fun and Siskel was an idiot. And I liked "Ordinary People" way more than "Raging Bull," which beat it out for Best Picture. Watching an asshole like Jake LaMotta constantly abuse his family wasn't that enjoyable.
Yeah, I admit I've never quite gotten the love for that film either. All the critics just rave about it. I think it's good....but not quite that good. Actually they [Siskel & Ebert] rated this as the best film of the 80's. And I remember thinking (at the time): in the same decade with Amadeus & Platoon?
@@09rja Those are some great classic 80s films as well....to each his own as they say! I thought "Bull" was a masterwork when I saw it as a teen all of 15
I remember going to 9 to 5 in the theater with my mom and her best friend. It was original and fun.
Same here. I fell in love with those three ladies and wished they could be my moms. Not that I didn't love my mom, but....to me, Violet, Judy and Doralee were angels.
I remember seeing 9 to 5 on the theater. The audience was mainly women. Multiple times during the movie, I could hear the women saying, "Uh huh"! My mom was nodding her head during it, too. 🙂
I really liked 9 to 5. Siskel and Ebert were out to lunch.
Man, it's awesome you've put up these episodes. Thank you and cheers!
As much as I love to see them bicker and tear horrible movies apart, I love watching them discuss great films and analyze what makes them so great much more.
We deserved to have these two forever, and dammit we were robbed. Rest In Peace to these two brilliant souls.
They couldn't have been more wrong about 9 to 5. It's become a classic.
A good movie but not a classic
Dolly Parton was great in 9 to 5....
It’s a sitcom episode.
@byronsreward6672 shut up
@byronsreward6672All of Me is pretty classic.
1980 was a good year for films. Here are just a few:
The Empire Strikes Back
The Elephant Man
Stir Crazy
Airplane!
The Shining
Ordinary People
Melvin and Howard
Being There
Raging Bull
Mad Max
Dressed to Kill
Being There was released in 1979.
@@ricardocantoral7672 Okay you got me. Itwas relased Dec 19 1979.
Mad Max was also '79, at least here in Australia
Atlantic City and Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha are also superb movies from 1980
🤔 "Fame" was one of my favorites that year.
9 to 5 is a comedy classic.
Agree. She made a play out of it, too.
I liked seeing Dabney Coleman in several films like this one, _Tootsie, Cloak and Dagger,_ and _ Short Time._
The problem with _9 to 5_ is that after all the hijinks the boss still wins and gets promoted (though a blurb at the end said he was kidnapped by Amazons), also the president nixes the equal pay for women, saying "no need to prime the pump."
9 to 5 is a super funny film, but Roger is correct when he bemoans the dream sequences they are too long. I loved even Jane Fonda in this film. Dolly and Lilly shine here, but the supporting cast is also good. Coleman is perfectly cast. Not enough is said about him in this role these days. I think we should try and get more people to watch this film.
The point of the fantasy scenes is to foreshadow what happens later.
I love the bits of self deprecating humour in Eastwood films that his critics miss
Ebert is spot-on about The Formula. I could watch those two actors do anything. The plot lets them down.
"9 to 5" may not be a great film, but it's a landmark film when it comes to women's rights in the workplace.
Jane Fonda also dealt with that kind of sexism in her previous role in "The China Syndrome," which was a great movie.
I never quite got the love for Raging Bull. Gene said he didn't like Scarface because Tony was such a louse. Well LaMotta certainly came across as a louse.
Yea, but in "Scarface" Tony Montana is a Cuban dirtbag kind of glamorized as a gangster...there is nothing glamorous about LaMotta or "Raging Bull". Totally gritty, emotional and raw
I preferred The Mission
Study film appreciation
The filmmaking is top notch
Great people are often monsters. I think approaching a film from the perspective of rooting for the central character is understandable but very limiting. You could be cheating yourself.
the scenes in raging bull. i mean not just an artistry which it has all the drama but its also a technical feat. the speed of those frames going off in perfect timing one two one like a typewriter then the slow pull back of this punch drunken as he put it "ballet" with the shots the rounds numbered on cards. it has meaning layers just emotion. the slow down of the cameras is perfectly done. theres a forlorn a kind of sadness in raging bull that just echoes. down the years of empty alleyways where deals are done and handshakes in shady smoke filled rooms. all that romance the blood and guts is so neatly conveyed and yet its still always in focus. wonderful and yes a technical achievement. those stunts yknow deniro did all his own fighting in that movie and gained over 50 pounds just by the end you say how did he do this.. i sound like someones italian mother going off somewhere but its a movie for all time. its a great big thunderclap and true to its title.
Eastwood preferring the ape to Locke... Maybe Siskel already knew stuff.
G.D.. Spradling; that made the Brando clip worth it, for me.
These guys were usually pretty on-target, but I think they missed the mark on "Nine to Five" which I saw when it first came out. Watching it again now. I'm going to say that sometimes they become too hypercritical.
23:00 Dolly is so good in that movie
Raging Bull can be defended as the best film ever released. Powerful, sad, scary, & deep. DeNiro was tremendous. 11:53
Goodfellas was the "formative" Scorsese movie for me. Even if Raging Bull was objectively peak Scorsese, I was too young when it came out, and was biased having seen DeNiro & Pesci in Goodfellas first. I didn't really like Casino post-Goodfellas, or Pulp Fiction much after Reservoir Dogs for similar reasons, until further viewings anyhow.
Pesci is fabulous in RB.
Jane Fonda was in three movies so far this year _80 for Brady, Moving On,_ and _Book Club the Next Chapter (2023)_ and is doing the voice of an animated character in a another, _Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken._ Too bad Dolly Parton didn't join her and Lily in _80 for Brady._
Raging Bull: a must c film
I’ve had the opportunity to work with Dolly and the only way to describe her, is absolute Royalty. If America ever had a monarchy Dolly Parton would be our Queen.
Any Which Way You Can is a lightweight film, but it's entertaining and one of the few sequels better than the original. The Formula is a mess of a film. For a better collaboration between director John G. Avildson and writer Steve Shagan watch the great drama Save The Tiger instead.
I totally agree. Any Which Way You Can was superior in every way to Every Which Way But Loose. Better script, funnier moments and much more charming than the original.
I still love the idea behind Grudge Match. The best movie boxers, Rocky Balboa and Jake LaMotta going toe to toe.
9:00 Senator Geary chatting it up with Don Vito.
Also General Corman chatting it up with Colonel Kurtz.
25:30 does Gene say "statue of limitations"?
And he called himself smart several times throughout the course of this show. 😂
How I miss these boys. Just two guys taking about movies. So simple this concept. And how we loved it so, right? And anyone else doing it feels... phony... Next to these two originals. I hope you two are still sitting across the aisle from each other, up in heaven, and hashing out today's movies. But I have a feeling 98% of them get a thumbs down.
I agree with with everything you said here, but I wanted to add something. When this program came on there was something about the conversation between the two and the program overall that was somehow comforting that kind of put you at ease. The Charlie Rose Show and at times the Tom Snyder Show were also able to create this feeling (in me at least).
The public seem to disagree with these guys. So many they disliked the public loved. They said in the 1980s it was time to end the James Bond franchise.
I think Siskel said it was time for Roger Moore's James Bond to end.
One of the problems of seeing so many movies, is that they have knowledge of repeats and rip-offs that the public might not get when they go. But they do have to be honest about how they feel, and not say, "I didn't like it, but you might."
Siskel was only 33 or 34 here. He looked 45 lol.
I’ve been binge watching several of these episodes of sneak previews before their former host took over and they want to do at the movies, even the movies they don’t recommend or put down a certain far superior to the crap that’s out nowadays, it makes me very sad to think that going to the movies is becoming a thing of the past, all I know is, I’m glad I got to go up during the 70s and 80s and watch all those great and even not so great films in the theater, those memories were good ones
Raging Bull is a great film about a not-so-great man.
And I agree with Gene: Any Which Way You Can is all about the ape. A few years afterwards, the orangutan starred in Mr Smith, the talking ape TV series. Dumb series which wasn't as smart as it thought it was.
Oh...so now Siskel likes Taxi Driver? He did not like Taxi Driver orginally
People change their minds about movies. I didn't love Raging Bull when I first saw it in the 80s, because Jake LaMotta is such a despicable character. Now years later it's in my top 3 Scorsese movies.
Scorsese always liked it, just not as much as most as he loved the first half but hated the second half, leaving his review mixed. He clarifies this in the Best of 1976 episode.
I live the movie 9 to 5, it was a very funny mivie
7:53 "I'm through working with clowns like you, Blaine. I'm transferring to Police Squad!"
19:30
Wait, I knew Siskel and others hated 1980 as a year for movies, but it turns out Roger did too!
Oddly enough, they both rated Raging Bull as the best film of the decade too.
I love 1980 films. I turned 7 in 1980 and became a real movie fan that year as my mom and dad would take me every other week to a movie during that point in my childhood. Saw Popeye, Scanners, The Devil in Max Devlin, 9 to 5, The Shining, etc.
Great memories😊.
I like Nine to Five, and I thought The Formula was silly.
Raging Bull, the story of a really mean boxer who alienated himself from everybody because he was such a mean miserable jerk. Let's face it, there's not much more to the story than that. De Niro was fantastic portraying LaMotta.
I was 11 when I saw 9 to 5. Loved it. Maybe it was my age 😂
I was 13. Saw it on my birthday. Still enjoy it to this day.
Mothers Day is a classic. Too bad the satire within the film went right over their heads.
I kinda disagree that AWWYC goes over the same ground. The first movie didn't have what you'd call a standard Hollywood ending. (Spoiler alert) Philo doesn't get the girl and he doesn't win the big fight in the end, and he and Orville limp home only being thankful the Black Widows and those two corrupt cops didn't do them in. They're lucky to still be alive and in one piece. And in the sequel, he beats Jack Wilson and retires with Lynn in his arms--a happy Hollywood ending. Orville and Ma end up right where they need to be, too, and the Black Widows call off their war and learn some respect. There are a lot of the same beats and themes, but the sequel is not just a retread of the original. It's for people who didn't like how the first one ended.
9 to 5 19:50
“Stud”
A 12 cents increase? Preposterous!🤨
Long time since I watched any of those. Bottom two for me would probably be Raging Bull, and Any Which Way you Can. Yes, I know is considered one of the greatest movies ever made. But i just found it ugly, and boring. I am a fan of the director's movies in general, but not this one. 9 to 5 would probably be the top one for me.
Ebert couldn't be a critic of Scorsese because he was too much of a fan of him.
He said he made the best movie of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s.
Yeah, he was overly biased in favor of Scorsese and unfairly biased against David Lynch.
I guess I should see Raging Bull again. I've only seen it once, and I didn't like it. That was partly because it had already been built up as the greatest film since Citizen Kane, but also, I didn't care about Jake LaMotta. He was a stupid, unpleasant character, and he wasn't even violent in an interesting way. He was just an abusive jerk. If I don't like the characters, I don't care about the film.
I completely agree.And plot was boring and too much screaming
Gene liked that stupid Eastwood film, but didn't like 9 To 5. Okay...
Yes. 9 to 5 was hilarious. I was bored by AWWYC, and I was a 13 year old boy - arguably the target audience.
Raging Bull. At worst, the best film of the decade.
I am one of the few people who does not like Raging Bull, not even a little bit. Sue me it leaves me cold.
9 to 5 is a fun movie, and The Formula has it's moments. Haven't seen the other movie.
"9 to 5" is fun and Siskel was an idiot. And I liked "Ordinary People" way more than "Raging Bull," which beat it out for Best Picture. Watching an asshole like Jake LaMotta constantly abuse his family wasn't that enjoyable.
Sue you. Sue me.
S&E's raging boner for Raging Bull is their biggest and most exasperating flaw.
I must admit that I hated Raging Bull, and have never finished watching it,
Yeah, I admit I've never quite gotten the love for that film either. All the critics just rave about it. I think it's good....but not quite that good.
Actually they [Siskel & Ebert] rated this as the best film of the 80's. And I remember thinking (at the time): in the same decade with Amadeus & Platoon?
@@09rja Those are some great classic 80s films as well....to each his own as they say! I thought "Bull" was a masterwork when I saw it as a teen all of 15
I watched first hour and i couldnt any more.
the moron parade hates one of the greatest films ever made
I don’t like Raging Bull. Yes it’s well acted but I hate the characters and watching it is a very unpleasant experience.
Every which way but loose is the better film.