Podcast #3 -- The Nine Enneagram Types
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0:00 Introductary remarks
1:36 Dissection of the Enneagram
3:33 Body/Anger
4:46 Type One -- Anger fueling perfectionism
8:30 Heart/Shame
10:11 Type Two -- Redemption through service
13:12 My insecurities talking about the Enneagram
13:51 Type Three -- Redemption through fame
18:18 Type Four -- Redemption through self-art
25:10 From the Heart to the Mind/Fear
29:10 Type Five -- Safety through a fortress
35:27 Digression on Nietzsche as a type five
36:15 How type five can go wrong
36:57 Type Six -- Safety through alignment
43:26 Type Seven -- Safety through eternal seeking
48:21 From Mind to Body (recap)
49:00 Type Eight -- Anger fueling one to retake their life
54:19 Type Nine -- Anger is put to sleep
58:28 Final thoughts
(ISTP, 5w6) Thanks Michael for opening up the discussion of the Enneagram, but I don't think you should feel bad for pointing out the pitfalls of the various types here. In fact, the Enneagram actually defines the personality types by said pitfalls (and points to methods for personal growth in order to escape them).
To add to that, pitfalls show so much contrast that the explanation greatly gain from it.
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Nice work! I like how you presented it as a cycle.
Geek Psychology I agree. I thought that was a really nice touch
As a type four: helping others laugh is what I do when feeling bad. I also feed the homeless, and do a huge amount of volunteer work.
I'm an ENTJ type 3 and I'd like to explain a little bit how we actually work, it's not that we want to achieve things just for the sake of showing off and be vain and narcissistic about it, it's just that deep deep down, we are insecure to a level that is hard to imagine x) I personally have a hard time ansewring questions like "what's the value of my own existence ?" and sometimes it can lead to some dark shit, so for me to feel better about it and not think that I don't even deserve living, I try to achieve as many things as I can to be somehow "useful" to the world and have an actual reason to be here, and most of the time the things that I want to achieve are not even for me, it's more for my friends and beloved ones (those are actually the people that we seek approval from). Even though I still like the idea of being rich and sexy and fancy just for the sake of it xDDD
That is so admirable! (at least for my point as an INFP) Of course, I am very sorry that you are feeling insecure. I am sure that you are doing amazing things for the world and your loved one's! When I ask that question to myself I kind of see that there is no value, but I don't have such drive in me to do something about it... At least, most of the times.
As a type -5: I build walls around my emotions, I am the queen of my castle, and I feel safest when inside the walls of my home.
Holy crap now we have all these great metals! I love this analogy.
John Barnes me too, as a four that made me laugh in a very happy sort of way
Oh my gosh John Barnes!! Haha you should totally make more videos, love them :)
Metals?
I LOVE your explanation style, and I usually hate long videos but I was looking forward to it after a few minutes!
Just discovered the enneagram a few weeks ago and this podcast is a delightful addition to my learning. I love the authentic delivery. Super refreshing. Going to relisten to catch more good nuggets. Thanks!
Signed,
a Nine who thinks she’s a Four.
I loved this video. Your's are about the only lengthy-type typology vids I can gag down xp I think your rambling is entertaining and funny, keep at it! ;)
INTJ 8w7 (8,4,5) here
Not sure how much I agree with your definition of the Eight. If the Seven is the one running from bounty hunters all the time, the Eight is the one that says "I'm not running anymore. If you want to capture me and take my autonomy away, try to, because I've got a gun right here with your name on it. One wrong step from you and BANG!"
The Eight is defined by their complete repulsion to having their freedom taken away, and thus they have to resort to controlling others and infringing on their freedoms to avoid having their own freedoms taken away. Ideally I want to live in a non-hierarchical society where everyone in seen as equal and nobody dominates and subjugates anyone else. I'm very much in the idea that all forms of hierarchy in society are to be questioned, and if they can't meet their burden of proof, to be dismantled and replaced by a fairer method of organising, where everyone has a say in their environment.
In this way I'm a reluctant Eight. I don't want to control others, but my deepest fears are being controlled myself. This has paradoxically lead me to retreat from society to guard myself from anyone who could potentially use me as a pawn to do what they want. I want to focus on my own studies of power dynamics, study how propaganda works so I'm able to protect myself from it when I sense a manipulative environment. I don't really care about being intellectually superior like a Five. The reason I collect knowledge is because it has application. I am an INTJ after all, who resists influence from others. However when push comes to shove and people start trying to impose hierarchy on me, where they're superior to me, this can lead me to lose it, and I tend to make them hate controlling me. I will make that experience for them as painful as possible, until they leave me alone.
I'm all about fairness and equality. I'm very left wing. I support the rights of marginalised groups. But don't dare try to control me, because I will bite.
Dude your symbols around the circle, tied with the way you enunciate things in a kinda general holistical way is such a blessing, and easy viewing, thanks so much
I "feel" like the more I learn the more I think we are never anything but changing. Whenever I identify, I feel like a 4 but then I feel like a 5.
Your videos are brilliant Michael. I've really enjoyed your work!
I'm an INFJ counterphopic 6 who wings 5 when low and only wings 7 when manic. My attachment is manifesting my 'safe space' in building an off grid, completely sustainable homestead, 'outpost' for rescuing domestic animals and wildlife rehab/refuge.
I love learning and creating with my own power. I hate putting trust in others, especially those in positions of power that easily abuse it, and I had to find a mission I could keep running back to that keeps my cray cray in check.
You are spot on for all 3 of my 'head' spaces.
Thank You!
Your interpretation of 5 as reborn reminded me to the ending of "2001", really matches.
The more I learn about Enneagram, the more confused I am about which type I relate to. In this video, I related to all the types a little bit (with the exception on type one) - but only a little bit.
Maybe you should try correlating with mbti/socionics? What is your type?
Take the test?
This is a shot in the dark but maybe you're a type 9? I used to feel the same (still do) and relating to most or all of the types is typical of the type 9 as the main characteristic of the type 9 is that it relates to all of them.
A Beyond Excellent Presentation. Your approach is unusual. It brings the types to life.
I like your overarching narrative of life and death. I think your laugh is cute too! ;)
I'm an infp who relates to trying to make myself a work of art (4), protecting my newborn self with a wall of intellect (5), and putting my anger to sleep (9).
Your narrative here is beautiful. I think the motion of the archetypes on this kind of spiritual journey between disillusionment at the top of the Enneagram and the intensity of the self at the bottom of the Enneagram helps put into perspective what the archetype is fleeing from, and what the archetype is moving into.
I think you've done a very decent job laying them out in a very basic sense.
I always say that each type is sort of identifiable by their irony. At least it's been the best way for me to point towards a persons core in their tritype.
Thanks for the time spent ;)
And Grats on the trimester/semester being done ^^
So sweet and true to infj form as you're terrified to offend! ;) 3 here. I thought you did an excellent job portraying what the types are all about. Keep it up, homie!
Thank you so much for making this video, it was inspiring.
Finally, an explanation where I can actually see the fucking symmetry and system, what this whole enneagram thing is about... When I was doing some superficial googling about enneagram all I got was the depth equivalent of "Introversion vs. Extroversion=Social vs. Unsocial", if you know what I'm saying. Why all these interesting concepts - enneagram, cognitive functions, introversion, extraversion - are so fucking obscured? Tell me how the idea or system works, then tell about the fucking real world manifestations. So hard to grasp these concepts with this humongous bullshit layer caked on top of it.
Also I recommend watching this at 2x speed.
I hear ya.
STJ much? Lol
I think the word you were looking for to explain the heart,would be personal.I think it's a better flavor than emotional.I've followed your channel for a few years.
Thank you so much, this is very informative and helpful.
I thought this was pretty good. I'm INFJ 9/2. It never occurred to me about anger being the driver for my behaviour.
This video gives me great new insights into the enneagram types now, and the life/death process made me truly get into this. One nitpick I will make, and I am not intending to inform and not to criticize, as a type 7 that happens to use Se, I do like to immerse myself in the moment once I have found what I am looking for. I am in the moment during my brief moments of satisfaction. My greatest weakness as a seven is that I tend to fall in love (both romantically and platonically) with people that seem like I can never have them or that are out of my league, just because those kinds of predictable limits depress the crap out of me. Ne users that are sevens are probably more prone to never being in the moment. I think Leonardo Da Vinci was an ENTP enneagram seven. But anyways this was great!
Some corrections:
There are many enneagrams. Some are meant to depict processes and so on, and to be travelled along the edge then way you do. I'm not sure it's a good way to go about assessing the fixations - the fixations are more about the points themselves, and the mindset that dominates there.
1 Core: Pursuit of perfection and mastery so as to avoid being blamed. Both by themselves and by others. The anger is born of trying hard and resenting how others don't.
3: Correct, threes don't believe things are deserved. They are earned, and they are out to earn their keep by being a manifestation of resplendent victory. They are a relational type so it ends up being something admired by others, and Threes end up being a part of the system, but they absolutely want to kick your butt at being a part of it. Very much about being better than you in that sense, at least if more fixated.
4: Four is hard to pin down simply in explanation, but is a clear feel once you get it. One way to get at it is that Four, like Five, is an overthinking type for whom normal reality isn't "real" enough - it's banal, unsatisfactory. But where Fives build systems and almost need to relate to the world through their systems, Fours obsess over their feelings to find out what is really them. Four being an image type, these then need to be concretized somehow, shown to the world, so the Four turns to symbols: things have to symbolize something to be meaningful, and this goes to truly obsessive lengths.
And because of the search for uniquene specialness and most people not liking to show their dark side, Fours "bare their real self" by showing you some dark, macabre things. The contrast between the clean gothic aesthetic of eg. Castlevania games and metal bands vs. something like Marilyn Manson is instructive here. The first one speaks to something romantic, but it isn't Fourish. With Four, the self is the flaw, and it's bared and shown to the world. A person simply feeling flawed is not necessarily a Four. There has to be a need to show, a dwelling on symbolism in favour of reality akin to an obsessed logician's need for systematizing the world.
5: More than newborn, 5 to me feels empty, lacking, even moreso than Four. Moreso than being newborn, you could imagine the symbol as a pit. Five and Four are the types that are teetering at the edge, barely holding themselves onto solid ground (this is a huge contrast to the gut types, and 8s and 9s sense of there being enough, in themselves and the world)
It is a soul thrust into a world where it has no place, and the world is a chaos. The Five, like Two and Eight, ends up feeling they have to be able to offer others something, to be useful in some way to be able to belong. This is why the type is hungry for knowledge As with Four, there is a distinct dissatisfaction with the plain and banal and a holding of oneself above the rabble.
8: The Eight attitude you initially present is a more counterphobic Six attitude than Eightish, per se. You know how courage is said to be acting in spite of one's fear? Eights aren't courageous. They have a hard time feeling fear and would probably welcome it to feel alive. A Six's counterphobia is conscious, decided. In an Eight, it is ingrained, unconscious, the fear just gets dropped somewhere along the way. If fives are overly sensitive, Eights run the risk of being precisely the opposite.
If you want a vibe for the Eight, think of a big cat on the savannah just after it's had its fill. Does it have reason to care about you? No. Not really. You'd have to come threaten its family or punch it in the face for it to care. There's a plainness, simplicity to the style. The type is actually rather hard to rile, there is the potential to get really pissed off but the threshold is higher you might initially think of.
Enneagram type interdynamics pls
Wings, growth, stress, and how different types react to each other/ definitely don't see themselves as particular other enneagrams
Dont worry about it Michael. I liked your descrptions.The type 5 description is absolutely me with type...Also like 4 description think it fits. Everything exept extremely weak. Though not tough at all id not say im weak persay.Loved the knowledge castle analogy s.
I appreciated this video a lot. You represented this very well and inspired me to further inspect the enneagram and it's philosophies, but now I am disappointed that I can't find any videos that present enneagram information in a concise and organized fashion like you did for us.
Yeah, same here. I was trying to just lay it all out at once and in a structured way.
Most of the great material for Enneagram is in written form, and especially as physical books that are poorly available digitally.
Here is list resources I think are good for building a solid foundational understanding and more likely to teach than mislead:
Books, primary:
Wisdom of the Enneagram - Don Riso, Russ Hudson
Character & Neurosis - Claudio Naranjo
Books, extra:
Personality Types - Don Riso, Russ Hudson
Online:
The Enneagram Institute system primer:
www.enneagraminstitute.com/how-the-enneagram-system-works/
Enneagram Institute type descriptions:
www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/
The Enneagram Institute Misidentification section:
www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifications-of-enneagram-personality-types/
The PSTypes blog Misidentification section:
pstypes.blogspot.com/search/label/Misidentifications?m=0
The Changeworks Blog by Tom Condon
thechangeworks.com/ennprimer/ennprimer.html
There's a lot of other good information in many books and articles, but they're often either in a wrong tone or just come across off without sifting through the lens of the above.
Thank you so much! This is great!
Michael I'm a big fan of your mbti videos, I think you've created a great resource for people studying the typology. Your type descriptions above are great and you seem to really grasp the core motivations of the types, but I have to say that your understanding of the system as a cycle is way off the mark. Ive studied the system for years and have never once come across anything to suggest this - where did you get it from?
Interesting perspective on the 1 through 9 evolution, but I think looking at it from the 2 paths of (dis)integration i.e. (1 -> 7 -> 5 -> 8 -> 2 -> 4 -> 1) and (9->3->6->9) is more useful for individual growth, it is uncanny, but I believe everyone experiences these changes naturally, it is sort of as if you are through introspection travelling in the collective unconsciousness and meeting up with these 9 archetypes and they came to me in the order I have described it and the type you are is the "place" where you feel "home", anyway just my opinion. Hope my opinion on the matter might be of good use to you.
Keep up the great work Michael :-) !!!!
Greetings from misanek (INTJ 1w9)
This video shows more than others how our weaknesses are really our strengths. You can't have one without the other.
Michael it's so rare to find someone who "gets" the enneagram, and you seem, with apparently not very much deep inquiry at all, to have "gotten it" right away
your work is amazing, I'm loving it. do you have social media other than youtube and published works?
I've been waiting for this! For you to do enneagram. I knew you would. Are you gonna make a new series: The Nine Types? Heheh.
I'm an INFJ, 5/6 on Enneagram. My score on both 5 and 6 were basically the same so I consider them both combined as my main attribute. My wing/s is both 4 and 9, these scores were identical.
As one grows emotionally--can their enneagram change? When I was younger, I was very much a perfectionist. I went into counseling-/he taught me to let go...
5: the new-born; 6: the child, learning from the community, attached to the family and traditions, credulous as children; 7: the teenager, looking for the next adventure, alway distracting and entertaining themselves; 8: the adult; growing up is finished and you got a strong body, and your brain is fully matured, so you exit the mental triad to enter the body triad; 9: the old-man, the retired, the grand-father, in the final moment of my life just want peace.
what do you think of tritypes, +michael pierce? I'm INFJ 259. I think it's the only way to work with Enneagram in a meaningful manner.
I only made it to #5 in your video thus far so maybe you discussed it.
Interesting. This is my first video on the enneagram. Are there any resources out there on how the diff enneagram types manifest in diff MBTI types?
Michael, any chance you'd make a video on it? 😅
Near the four minute mark, where you say you don't remember where you heard the notion before (being in a body makes you angry), that is from Bo Laursen's channel about Type 9s.
Thanks!
INFJ. Not familiar with enneagram but just took it and scored 1w4? Noticed you mentioned Plato and Ghandi (INFJs) are type 1's as well but what does the w4 mean?
There is no w4. You can only be w9 or w2. Wing (w) means you borrow traits from the numbers next door - a 1w9 is a more 9-ish 1, and a 1w2 is a more 2-ish 1. You probably took a tritype test which gave you three numbers - 1, 4 and one other - but tritype is not wing.
I'm an INTP 5w4, 4w5, 9w?. Can confirm (often) melancholic, but you make 4s sound like super emos. But then again, given that I'm an emo myself, it might've accurate.
Random info that might help you figure it out. It helped me:
Fours, Fives, and Nines, are called the Withdrawn types. They all repress their Doing center (body, anger, instinctual center) but in different ways. Fours are Doing repressed and Feeling dominant with Thinking supporting their Feeling (Ex They may use thinking to have more and more extreme emotions or new and different emotions). Fives are Doing repressed and Thinking dominant with Feeling supporting their Thinking (Ex They may have an emotion connection to their ideas, or think dispassionately about their emotional reactions rather than feeling them). Nines are Doing repressed but also Doing dominant, which is interesting. (Nines are not alone in this. Sixes are Thinking repressed/ dominant, Threes are Feeling repressed/dominant) They are always Doing, but most of the time it is just a "shell" of their true ability to Do. Instead of doing what they truly need to do (they often don't know what that is) they will mull around doing small tasks that don't have the same urgency. With Doing being simultaneously dominant and repressed, Thinking and Feeling happen together and separate from doing. Nines "do," and then "think and feel," "do," and then "think and feel." Possibly in part because of this pattern, Nines are known for falling asleep to their own agenda. In their "Thinking-Feeling" a Nine may habitually lead with one of the Centers, Thinking or Feeling, with the remaining center supporting it.
Hope that helps. It is be no means a complete description, and at the end of the day core motivation/fear/sin/desire is a better definition of each of the types than the relationship between the Centers. Also you could try looking at the Disintegration/Integration points for each of the types because sometimes you see yourself better by noting how you react in the extreme situations. Quickly: Under stress types can "Disintegrate" to another: Fours can look like Twos, Fives can look like Sevens, Nines can look like Sixes. When feeling secure types can "Integrate" to another type: Fours can look like Ones, Fives can look like Eights, Nines can look like Threes. Good luck.
In other words...
Help, my tritype is being repressed!
But seriously, thanks. I've been thinking of delving deeper into enneagram for a long time, but it all feels so arbitrary. Will definitely look into disintegration, seeing as I see what could be examples of disintegration of all three all the time.
I am also an INTP type 5, who has a similar experience.
If you have to ask others whether you are or you are not a 4, then you are NOT. Type 4 knows they are a 4 just by reading the types and not even doing the test.
I'm sorry, was anyone asking?
But since you must spout such nonsense, type 4s tend to like to be independent and special, so they'll often dislike the label.
Also: people don't always know themselves very well (or at all) and will probably guess incorrectly. Not that the test will really help with this. But fours and non-fours are equally capable of making mistakes about what type they are, as well as the fact that other types will often be inquisitive, making them want more sources to confirm a fact.
what is your enneagram type ?
What's the significance of the lines connecting the types in the picture? Or is it just a neat graphic that doesn't mean anything
The lines are directions of integration and disintegration, in other words security and stress respectively. An unhealthy person will display some characteristics of their disintegration point, and a person that is developing and working on their core fear/ego fixation will display characteristics of their integration point. The integration point is a way to "solve" the core fear and fixation, while the disintegration point is what happens when the core fear gets worse. For example, I'm a 9, in order to combat my laziness and passivity I need to work on asserting my goals and trying to get myself seen in the way that a 3 does. If the 9's core fear of conflict and abandonment gets too far then I begin acting like an unhealthy 6, questioning people's loyalties and motivations, becoming needy, and generally being a paranoid wreck. Hope that helps.
Great material here.
I found this to be a great overveiw, tones of specificity for an introduction video. And i wasnt aware they led into each other if that is the case. A cycle of sorts? i resonate with 5 most but once recently loved 4 a year or more ago. And perhaps my devling into online sources and communitys for type knowledge could be considered a 6 like activity in many respects i desire human interaction more now i understand them better with there helpful strengths.
Feeling of MBTI is rational and organised? Or is it the heart of the enneagram? I don't get it.
Hi Michael! Great video as always! Just wanted to ask you when we can expect the next Revisited video... there only seem to be 3 more types left, i.e. ESFP, ESTJ and ESFJ ... which one's next and when :) :) can't wait!
ESTJ, hopefully by the end of this month
As a type 4 - I am artistic... and introspective... this is awesome
I definitely feel like a 4.5 and I don't know I can have the shame like a 4 but the mind of a five and create this beautiful isolation in nostalgic energy and curiosity
I could totally tell you were an INFJ type five. Seems like it has the potential to be a balanced blend. The integration arrow of the five, the eight, could probably align well with the inferior Se. Also, doesn't Fe compensate for type five's tendency to be socially disconnected? (I've only ever met INTJs and ISTJs five, they sure avoid eye contact like everyone are basilisks in waiting.)
I quite enjoyed your depiction of fear as a mental phenomenon, I'd never thought of it this way. I'm not so sure about the narrative, I understand it served a purpose for your understanding, but it didn't always ring true to me, and made it appear as if the types were reacting to one another in this order. I could very well be wrong, but there might be a thorough narrative going through the actual arrows 1-7-5-8-2-4-1 and 3-6-9-3, although it wouldn't fit an introductory purpose like your podcast.
I also quite liked the pictograms for each type. It was fun figuring them out as you spoke. It's always a pleasure to listen to your explanations.
LaLaurence the basilisk analogy hit me straight into feels
Enneagrams 5-6-7 often overlap with people with dominant intuition or sensing, I’ve noticed. I think that’s due to being balanced with self vs others, but being fearful of information or “that other thing out there,” whatever that may be. I’m an esfp type 7, and I find that both of these are true for me and for other perceiving dominant types.
Ok as an ENFP type 7 really resonated with me
I *heart* Rumi!
I couldn't completely relate and connect with the enneagram system as I do with mbti. It seems to me there's something missing in it (maybe I just don't understand it completely). But so far, I think I'm a 5w4 and tritype 845?
...Meh :/
I'm an INFJ 1w9 and this expiation seems to explain me.
Infj type 5 as well, studying philosophy and theology. Was led here by mimesis.
I'm tired of trying to find out my wings. The more I learn from various sources, the more I doubt. It's just whenever I believe I already found my fit, there's other description that just doesn't fit. I just relate to both so much. Let's just say I'm 5 with balanced wings. I'm so/sp.
"This professor" is Richard Rohr :)
I am a 5--I want to know, know, know... I'm guessing Socrates was a five? I totally relate to everything you are explaining. :0)
By building my knowledge, I am empowering myself. I am the same with my space.
Socrates was probably a 7. ENTPs are usually 7s rather than 5, even if as NTs they seem like 5s. Socrates wasn't really about seeking confidence through the accumulation of knowledge; he was more about prodding and poking to satisfy his curiosity and getting people to think, which is typical ENTP 7 behaviour. Plus, he wasn't very introverted like most 5s are.
Jonathan Campbell
Thank you. Socrates came to mind, because he gathered facts, but was known to say that he knew nothing. which I relate to. Because, I myself would be very unhappily to know everything. I would be dissapointec if I had nothing new to learn. I strongly dislike exiting the walls of my castle. I'm also not a hugger--with exception to my children, I have an office in my home. I spend hours in my office reading, writing, and other projects... Because I need plenty of alone time.
Jonathan Campbell yeah I have two ENTP friends who are definitely 7's though my brother who also is an ENTP is a 1. it is very striking to see the contrast in their personalities.
I thought he was about to completely blow 4, but then in the end he actually got it righter than the average source.
though, grain of salt, as i am not one myself.
Ok, just went straight to type 8 because it's my type, and I have quite a few problems with how you depict type 8. While I understand what you are trying to say, it would be much better to describe 8 as a focus on survival. 8 isn't so much about being angry over being afraid so you will stop be afraid as a result (there's something about that which sounds fundamentally wrong, but it makes me think more of type 5 or 6 than it does 8 but especially type 6 with how you keep expressing that it's a matter of challenging fears, which is a very type 6 sentiment, not so much type 8), but 8 is the kind of approach you get when you experience yourself to be so utterly pushed to your limits that there is nothing left but pure survival instinct and you realize that you have nothing left to lose but everything to gain by fighting. I understand that you are trying to connect the center of intelligences here, but the way I see the narrative is more like this:
In the head center there is an existential fear; we are becoming conscious and aware of our own predicament and that we are in fact, fully and utterly alive and this is scary and painful. How do we orient ourselves in this new world and with the the consciousness we are born with? Who am I? And how do I do to survive in this world? These are central questions to the head center, so the head center is all about trying to figure out survival strategies. The gut center takes these strategies and actually put them into action because the gut center deals with the very most basic and primal need for survival. It's when we are so hungry from famine that we just literally eat anything without much regard for what it is what we eat. There's no time to sit and think about whether it's dangerous or not, how it's going to affect us, because either we live or we die, there's no inbetween there. And this is exactly the approach 8 takes when it comes to survival. Fear doesn't even enter the picture because when we are pushed to our very last breath, we have no time to be afraid.
Instead type 8 is more about an anger less so because of how others try to instill a fear in you (again sounds much more type 6), but because the world dealt you an unjust hand. You had something good, something precious, and that good or preciousness was taken away from you. Now someone or something has to pay and you are going to get it back. The progression is more like type 7 doesn't know, just like 5 and 6, to orient itself in the world. The fear of death is what drives them towards gluttony; 7 has a c'est la vie attitude to life because they unconsciously understand how impermanent the world truly is. So before it goes away, they want to taste and try everything because who knows when they will end? They may die tomorrow, imagine all the pleasant things they missed out on, all the good things that could have made them feel content and happy. So they keep looking for that sense of high, to try everything out. It's a more extroverted and aggressive attitude than the dazzling confusion of type 6, but still very much internally confused.
8 doesn't do that because whereas 7 still has this innate belief that there is something good out there just for them if they just keep looking for it and they can have it, 8 knows more than any other type in the enneagram that they lost. They are the losers, they are at the very bottom of the hierarchy. 7 still thinks that well-being and goodness resides outside of the self, that the world can be potentially good. 8 doesn't. The world took everything of value away so it is clear you cannot trust in the world to give you good things. You need to make it yourself, to get it yourself. There is no faith in a creator to provide these things for you. The head center still believes, in spiritual terms, that there is a creator out there to help guide them towards the good in life.
Then on your points about the unhealthy side of type 8, it's less about aggression though it can be a part of it, but the most destructive aspect of type 8 is the blame and the subsequent denial of their own guilt. They refuse to see more than one version of the story outside of their own and in their own version they are always the ones that are innocent. Others were acting more unfairly than they did and others are not taking responsibility for their own actions. So an 8 can hurt a person terribly but then deny they have anything to do with the upset of the person they hurt and blames the person for being weak and reacting so poorly from the treatment of the 8. Also, 8s can be so focused on trying to assert their own truth that they alienate everyone else because they simply refuse to listen and to compromise. It's either their version or the other version and the other version is wrong, and then people get fed up because the 8 keeps domineering conversations with how they think things are like (kinda like how I reacted now except I think my reaction is more sensible).
I need to go now, but maybe I'll upload a video as a counter-point for you to refer back to since I prefer that over writing it down here, if you don't mind.
Michael, please get acquainted with Russ Hudson's & Jessica Dibb's latest work, for example via their on-line courses on the ShiftNetwork platform. No stereotypes please, not from you :). I wish you a lot of deep insights and fun on the neverending Enneagram journey. Thank you for your videos, thank you sharing your knowledge. Isabelle
I'm INFP 5?
AND WHAT ABOUT OSCAR ICHAZO
Isn't type 6 known as the buddy?
And sharing about you.
Type 6 is literally Hobbes' leviathan LOL
1 am type 9: I definitely don't want to be angry or to fight anymore. I am all about peace. I won't fight, but when angry I enjoy debating--sometimes to the point of meanness.
Cool.. I am 4w5w9
Backpedaling on truths to not hurt people's feelings takes extra time and reduces the value of those truths. Don't worry about us we'll be ok :)
ENTJuke says the ENTJ ;)
That's INFJ for you, though, just in case ISFJ's etc. might be listening... I don't mind either way, but as an INFJ 5, I do personally like following his thoughts. Familiar.
I think he's doing it more for clarity sake than to spare feelings (and avoid bad comments)
That 12:03 burp was priceless khhh xD
And another one 25:35
And yet another one 25:39
Ah jeez Rick you really oughta edit your audio more carefully, y'know?
Shut up Morty I do what I want
I can't understand how it's hard for you to explain about type four🤣🤣🤣 it's just basically self love and self worth. Sense of identity. That sums up everything already😂
7-7-2017 3 king has landed, no more fear
im 4 mixed with runway 7
Oh wow, I just realize I live with a type 7. :0)
INFJ 5 so
Hi Michael! Love your channel. Thanks for all the time you put into your "work" (a.k.a. what you love). You might want to check out Personality Hacker's interview with Beatrice Chestnut on the 27 enneagram subtypes www.personalityhacker.com/podcast-episode-0169-enneagram-personality-types-with-beatrice-chestnut/
If you are looking for any help with your Enneagram knowledge, I'm happy to help...
Jonathan Campbell i would definitely appreciate your help. I am 4, 5, and nine. how do I put them into order?
I think BindleStyph covered it decently in their reply to that other comment. Mostly covered everything I would have said.
Can you help me type my enneagram? I think I may be a 9?..
i am an infj w 6
I think the majority of ENTP and ISTP are 7w6
TheRealFantomex ENTP 7w6 checking in. ;)
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Shook. This sounds like a life cycle. Life is hopeless!
Primitive...is that seriously how you view things?????
my little pony enneagram:
i.imgur.com/mvxJOzE.png
INTP 5w9, with traces of type 1.
Cameron Le'Quin Nope
Fml, while usually absolutely informative, this rambling about this topic drives me nuts. As an INTJ I have to say that you haven't learned anything about structure and presentation in the past years. Gte your INTJ buddy to give you a guide how to structure things logically in harmony with your goals, ffs. Also, I think this systems makes little to no sense; it's boundaries defy anything jungs research excels at and also anything common sense would dictate about personalities.
Let him ramble. His Ni and Ti are working away to find relevant insights in the wealth of information he's soaked in. & Michael uses Fe, not Te. While Te is direct, Fe takes a meandering, nuanced, and responsive path to an objective (it works mysteriously). Michael will not ever be an INTJ giving a goal-oriented lecture. He's an INFJ doing an interest-based podcast. Let him ramble.