Because it was a poor design for the harsh weather it deals with sitting on the lake. It needs Millions in repairs every few years just to keep it running
It was built too quickly to be ready for the expansion team’s return. They were able to use some of the existing infrastructure left from municipal stadium to hurry up and complete construction.
It made me mad as hell here in Atlanta when the Georgia dome got demolished not even like 30 years old it was 20 something years old and it was totally fine. The new stadium is over commercialized and more expensive. They should have at least kept it alongside the new one and not demolished it.
Burke is a city owned, public airport with very limited passenger service. It’s primarily general aviation, and they’ve been talking about removing it for decades. The only piece of lakefront property in Cleveland that gets less use than Burke Lakefront airport is Cleveland Browns stadium. Keep the Browns downtown, build somewhere away from the lakefront like the Guardians (Indians) did, and redevelop the stadium land and the airport land into parks and usable lakefront property. And the Haslams can build a dome or an open stadium or a hole in the ground if they want, as long as they do it with their own money.
That stadium when it was built was built really fast because the NFL put them on a time line to have it built. Sloppy construction alot of prefab parts. Upper deck is too steep and very weird to walk up.
Don’t forget, the entire financial district of San Francisco is built on landfill. It includes a lot of ships that were abandoned during the Gold Rush and then dirt piled on top of that. The only problematic building is the Millennium Tower, which is leaning. But, that’s because the developers didn’t drive piles down to bedrock in order to save money. Buildings can be entirely safe when built on swamps and landfills as long as piles are driven all the way down to bedrock.
Not true, Sales Force Townes is on total bedrock. They had to dig 300 feet to get to it but it’s not all just fill. They just have to dig deep to get to bedrock but its not all on fill. Same with most of the other buildings, there is bedrock all around the they just have to dig deep to get to it. Mil Tower that is tilting is actually on bedrock but the idiot builders didn’t tie in the foundation to bedrock and that’s why it is tilting now.
I think all these teams trying 2 strong arm Tax $$$ for new stadiums is a Golden Opportunity 4ppl 2 tell these owners 2 f* off!!! Let them take there teams & leave. The city can negotiate with Brand New ownership groups to bring 2nd teams to the city. The NFL would love the competition. This is what the league is missing Fresh Air
Been a fan of the Browns for 3 decades. Love that the team in in the city. There isn’t anywhere else to build a new stadium. Burke IS the solution. The only one. A domed stadium with surrounding businesses would do SO much for the city. I’ve wanted this for a long time and I’m happy to see that it’s at least on the table. Set up a monorail system to a group of parking garages (maybe the site of the current stadium) and you’ve got year round entertainment plus the ability to hold major events (concerts, WWE, Super Bowls, etc) for generations to come.
Keep these teams downtown, I support the Browns staying downtown, it's easier to keep the stadium filled when it's downtown. Same thing with the Bears, no reason to decrease your attendance overtime by moving to the suburbs when you're in the perfect spot.
TBH I didn't watch the full video. I still maintain that 100% open-air NFL stadiums ought to be banned. In Cincinnati you have Paul Brown and it is absolutely useless. I believe the current Browns stadium is probably another money pit.
I'm a huge advocate for keeping an open-air stadium and keeping the same spot we've been in forever, but I'm glad this is emerging as an opportunity. Brooks Park is something I'm not a big fan of at all. Keeping on the lake is a priority in my eyes.
Burke is owned by the city of Cleveland. MLB visiting teams land their planes there. Every Labor Day there is a major air show that lands large military cargo planes there.
Remember two thirds of not more of browns fans do not live in Cleveland. I drive an hour 15 min to attend a game. It sucks ass to find a parking spot in downtown than walk to stadium. Brook park is easy to get to and would have parking. I could give two shits about the look of a sea of parking looking bad. Brook park is my vote
@imnotsqiddy the parking is only going to get worse as they're looking to develop around the stadium in all the current parking lots if the Browns commit to the current stadium
It’s a perfectly good venue and only 25 years old. There’s nothing wrong with the browns current stadium. This is just so the owner can bring in more revenue for his pocket.
Cleveland should just do what we're doing here in Baltimore- continued investment in M&T Bank Stadium that will keep the Ravens there through nearly 2040.
@@imnotsqiddy All stadiums aren't built to the same standards. There are some stadiums worth the effort to upgrade and maintain, and then there are stadiums like ours here in Nashville. Nissan Stadium, originally Adelphia Colosseum was a good enough stadium to land us a team, but it wasn't constructed with the future in mind. I have no idea if that's the case in Cleveland, but it could be.
I lived in CLE most of my life and was a die hard Browns fan until the Denver Broncos debacles of the 80’s. Over the next few years I dumped my season tickets and moved away. I don’t regret either. Given the Browns winning record, the hoopla of the last Browns team (now Baltimore Ravens) and the seemingly never ending saga of Burke and the landfill lakefront, I cannot believe y’all are riding this train again. CLE is just not the kind of destination city that can support these grandiose plans much past the novelty of the first few years, let alone attracting a Super Bowl. Let the Browns move, develop the stadium into a park, leave Burke alone and spend Sundays from August to December with your families. At the very least you’ll save some hard earned dollars, build some memories, explore some new places and maybe see that the only ones who benefit from this are the team owners and developers.
The current stadium was renovated in 2016 at the tax payers expense. Why on earth do they need a new one now? Also if they build this new stadium what will happen with the old one? It would cost millions to demolish it. It's time for Haslam to pay for the stadium himself, he's gotten enough welfare out of us tax payers. And honestly I'm to the point where of if he wants doesn't get what he wants decides ro move the team let him. We need to put our tax dollars to work rebuilding infrastructure, funding our school and social services, ya know things that actually help the community.
Leave the Lake front airport Alone let it stay where its at. If you close the lake front airport the Cleveland air show wont happen over the lake erie. For sure it cant happen at Cleveland Hopkins airport because it would not be allowed by the FAA. So the only other option would be Brook park Dome Stadium.
That airport is losing money. They have been doing studies for decades. That airport is only for teams and rich people. It costs the city money to run it.
@@Jeremyb019 Stop over-exaggerating. Fedex is 27 and in harsh condition, Browns Stadium needs a renovation, not a taxpayer subsidized stadium on top of the existing one.
Offer them the land for free buy out the airport and he pays for the stadium. No tax payer money. 49ers got some land from Santa Clara but paid for their entire building. Browns can do the same.
Will never happen. Burke is very useful to certain industries in the area, but could theoretically be done without. The big deal is that it’s also built on top of an old landfill that can support the current airport, which is nothing more than a big parking, but couldn’t structurally support buildings of this size without 100’s of millions of dollars in soil remediation and deep foundation work alone, and that’s before anything is even built.
First, rural missourians will not assist kc or st louis. Second, since Hunt voted AGAINST the st louus nfl expansion AND FOR stan kronke moving rams la, st. Louis will not help either, so Parsons will get no help, like it or not. Look. Though not a sports enthusiat. I still want missouri to be successful, and I support efforts to help all these teams to stay here. Also. While true, Hunt could build a stadium like Kroenke, why build in such a small market. The rams at least doubled in value going to LA. The chargers went too. That stadium is next to LAX almost, and near all the happening stuff there. The Olympics and supercool are there. How do visitors get from our airport to our stadium and what di they di before and afterwards. Are t h by going to come rent 20,000 rental cars to drive around in kc. Due to our size, climate, logistics, and infrastructure, we HAVE to step up. San Diego county has 3.5 million people and lost a team. Lots if towns would love the chiefs....like Austin, capital of texas
Detroit built the Silver Dome and the Palace in the suburbs then years later moved back downtown. I hate domes for football but if they do build one then they to make it like Lucas Oil in downtown Indianapolis.
The Brook Park property has already been cleared out by the current owners and put up 1 new warehouse building but all construction stopped when the news of Haslams purchase agreement came out. The remaining Ford plant is not an issue at all. It also has easy access to I480 and I71 and Hopkins Intl is planning a $3billion renovation which includes redoing rt 237 that runs right in between the proposed stadium site and the airport. Burke would be a good spot if the land can support it but that property has been an ongoing fight for decades on whether or not to close the airport
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No stinkin BS Dome! This is Browns football, not an appalachian truck stop. So many iconic games played in the elements on the Lake over the decades. What is wrong with Jimmy Haslam? He's a con man.
For feasibility of building on land fills just look at lower Manhattan. Some of your 911 videos show construction of twin towers pretty much next to hudson river. I remember one photo I recently saw in one of your videos about the new beach on the Hudson. That was a land fill there and eventually skyscrapers were built there. (for clarification land fills are where ground/dirt/sand etc are put in water to create more landmass. They are not the same as landfills used to dispose waste)
Fun fact- one of the issues with development along the lakefront is the height restriction because of the Burke traffic pattern. Without the airport the areas around the current stadium could be filled with high rises. Also- the stadium currently sits on landfill.
A hypothetical stadium district doesn't usually have structures taller than the stadium itself, so high-rises capped at that height shouldn't or wouldn't be an issue.
If you think Cleveland sucks you're either just hating or haven't watched the NFL in the last 5 years. Agree on this being a waste of taxpayer money but your coping kinda weakens and distracts from your main argument.
I agree with you whole-heartedly dude! What a waste of my tax money! Keep the land undeveloped and keep Burke Airport the way it is, it's a city landmark! Also, wouldn't this be the third stadium built in the same area?! 😮 What's wrong with the stadium they have now?!
@@afridgetoofar1818 wait, were the mannequins playing the game? I agree it was different and not normal, but to say it wasn’t real because the fans weren’t there doesn’t make much sense to me. Just my opinion though :)
@@afridgetoofar1818 Your original point was you don't think Cleveland should get a new stadium because you're of the opinion that they haven't done anything since they came back to warrant a new stadium? And my point is that they have won, definitaly not consistently enough to be praised or anything like that, but it's still a business and if they don't stay competitive (very loose expectations, too) even in the stadium game then Cleveland will lose their team again.
I can tell you Brookpark PD is yoking us on parking tickets like crazy there getting thousands of dollars a night in just parking there trying to get that money
Ahhh damn...have to pay for the billionaires project again....he'll NO !
Their stadium is only 25 years old, why do they need a new one??
Because it was a poor design for the harsh weather it deals with sitting on the lake. It needs Millions in repairs every few years just to keep it running
No roof, no Super Bowl
CLV Might get one SB but they are not a destination like Las Vegas.
It was built too quickly to be ready for the expansion team’s return. They were able to use some of the existing infrastructure left from municipal stadium to hurry up and complete construction.
It made me mad as hell here in Atlanta when the Georgia dome got demolished not even like 30 years old it was 20 something years old and it was totally fine. The new stadium is over commercialized and more expensive. They should have at least kept it alongside the new one and not demolished it.
Burke is a city owned, public airport with very limited passenger service. It’s primarily general aviation, and they’ve been talking about removing it for decades. The only piece of lakefront property in Cleveland that gets less use than Burke Lakefront airport is Cleveland Browns stadium.
Keep the Browns downtown, build somewhere away from the lakefront like the Guardians (Indians) did, and redevelop the stadium land and the airport land into parks and usable lakefront property. And the Haslams can build a dome or an open stadium or a hole in the ground if they want, as long as they do it with their own money.
Where?
Tearing down sports venues less than 50 years old should be illegal.
Who said they would tear it down?
@@JJW48002When you build a new one you tear the old one down. They are not keeping the old stadium if they get a new one.
That stadium when it was built was built really fast because the NFL put them on a time line to have it built. Sloppy construction alot of prefab parts. Upper deck is too steep and very weird to walk up.
Truer words were never spoken.
Don’t forget, the entire financial district of San Francisco is built on landfill. It includes a lot of ships that were abandoned during the Gold Rush and then dirt piled on top of that. The only problematic building is the Millennium Tower, which is leaning. But, that’s because the developers didn’t drive piles down to bedrock in order to save money. Buildings can be entirely safe when built on swamps and landfills as long as piles are driven all the way down to bedrock.
Yeah, developing on landfill has been done for centuries now, I'm surprised he hasn't researched that since he does so many World Trade Center videos.
Literally untrue.
Not true, Sales Force Townes is on total bedrock. They had to dig 300 feet to get to it but it’s not all just fill. They just have to dig deep to get to bedrock but its not all on fill. Same with most of the other buildings, there is bedrock all around the they just have to dig deep to get to it. Mil Tower that is tilting is actually on bedrock but the idiot builders didn’t tie in the foundation to bedrock and that’s why it is tilting now.
I think all these teams trying 2 strong arm Tax $$$ for new stadiums is a Golden Opportunity 4ppl 2 tell these owners 2 f* off!!! Let them take there teams & leave. The city can negotiate with Brand New ownership groups to bring 2nd teams to the city. The NFL would love the competition. This is what the league is missing Fresh Air
You need to give Neotrans some recognition for the news article. This video wouldn’t exist without their reporting.
Been a fan of the Browns for 3 decades. Love that the team in in the city. There isn’t anywhere else to build a new stadium. Burke IS the solution. The only one. A domed stadium with surrounding businesses would do SO much for the city. I’ve wanted this for a long time and I’m happy to see that it’s at least on the table. Set up a monorail system to a group of parking garages (maybe the site of the current stadium) and you’ve got year round entertainment plus the ability to hold major events (concerts, WWE, Super Bowls, etc) for generations to come.
No stinkin Dome!
Keep these teams downtown, I support the Browns staying downtown, it's easier to keep the stadium filled when it's downtown. Same thing with the Bears, no reason to decrease your attendance overtime by moving to the suburbs when you're in the perfect spot.
The suburbs is where most of the fans are though
@retrowarehouse2554 the stadium being in the suburbs will affect 0% of attendance
TBH I didn't watch the full video. I still maintain that 100% open-air NFL stadiums ought to be banned. In Cincinnati you have Paul Brown and it is absolutely useless. I believe the current Browns stadium is probably another money pit.
I'm a huge advocate for keeping an open-air stadium and keeping the same spot we've been in forever, but I'm glad this is emerging as an opportunity. Brooks Park is something I'm not a big fan of at all. Keeping on the lake is a priority in my eyes.
Burke is owned by the city of Cleveland. MLB visiting teams land their planes there. Every Labor Day there is a major air show that lands large military cargo planes there.
You can have air shows in other places and the MLB can land in Hopkins or Cuy County Airport
How about proving you can consistantly put watchable, compettitive product on the field first. So far you have failed miserably.
Remember two thirds of not more of browns fans do not live in Cleveland. I drive an hour 15 min to attend a game. It sucks ass to find a parking spot in downtown than walk to stadium. Brook park is easy to get to and would have parking. I could give two shits about the look of a sea of parking looking bad. Brook park is my vote
Or...just invest in parking instead of an entirely new stadium? FirstEnergy isn't even 25 years old
What do Cleveland folks have against football ? They aren't big fans ?
@spg5658 Cleveland folks just simply hate everything even each other. You must be lucky enuff to not live here 😂
@imnotsqiddy the parking is only going to get worse as they're looking to develop around the stadium in all the current parking lots if the Browns commit to the current stadium
I love the comments from the knee jerk anti new stadium people. Doesn't matter the city or the circumstances, they're against it.
I'm sure it's the same people still crying about the Indians changing their name. 😢👶🍼
It’s a perfectly good venue and only 25 years old. There’s nothing wrong with the browns current stadium. This is just so the owner can bring in more revenue for his pocket.
The stadium isn't even 25 years old (not until September). Doesn't need to be replaced yet.
Cleveland should just do what we're doing here in Baltimore- continued investment in M&T Bank Stadium that will keep the Ravens there through nearly 2040.
@@imnotsqiddy All stadiums aren't built to the same standards. There are some stadiums worth the effort to upgrade and maintain, and then there are stadiums like ours here in Nashville. Nissan Stadium, originally Adelphia Colosseum was a good enough stadium to land us a team, but it wasn't constructed with the future in mind. I have no idea if that's the case in Cleveland, but it could be.
Oh …, Yes …, Sure …, In 2021 Cleveland was ranked overall POVERTY RATE of 29.3 % .
I lived in CLE most of my life and was a die hard Browns fan until the Denver Broncos debacles of the 80’s. Over the next few years I dumped my season tickets and moved away. I don’t regret either. Given the Browns winning record, the hoopla of the last Browns team (now Baltimore Ravens) and the seemingly never ending saga of Burke and the landfill lakefront, I cannot believe y’all are riding this train again. CLE is just not the kind of destination city that can support these grandiose plans much past the novelty of the first few years, let alone attracting a Super Bowl. Let the Browns move, develop the stadium into a park, leave Burke alone and spend Sundays from August to December with your families. At the very least you’ll save some hard earned dollars, build some memories, explore some new places and maybe see that the only ones who benefit from this are the team owners and developers.
The current stadium was renovated in 2016 at the tax payers expense. Why on earth do they need a new one now? Also if they build this new stadium what will happen with the old one? It would cost millions to demolish it. It's time for Haslam to pay for the stadium himself, he's gotten enough welfare out of us tax payers. And honestly I'm to the point where of if he wants doesn't get what he wants decides ro move the team let him. We need to put our tax dollars to work rebuilding infrastructure, funding our school and social services, ya know things that actually help the community.
Leave the Lake front airport Alone let it stay where its at. If you close the lake front airport the Cleveland air show wont happen over the lake erie. For sure it cant happen at Cleveland Hopkins airport because it would not be allowed by the FAA. So the only other option would be Brook park Dome Stadium.
That airport is losing money. They have been doing studies for decades. That airport is only for teams and rich people. It costs the city money to run it.
The one they have is fine
The current stadium isn't even 25 years old ; why do you support replacing it?
It’s outdated and it’s 25 years old in HARSH CONDITIONS. We need a new stadium
@@Jeremyb019 Stop over-exaggerating. Fedex is 27 and in harsh condition, Browns Stadium needs a renovation, not a taxpayer subsidized stadium on top of the existing one.
@@Jeremyb019 What do you think about home field advantage having open-air as opposed to dome then? Just curious :)
Have you been there?
@@jasonmadden8799 couple of times, yes.
Public transit has a rail line that runs to the airport. They would only need a mile or so to get it to Brookpark.
No way they close Burke. That’s the wealthy airport
Does Cleveland really need a new stadium?
Perhaps the browns want to get out of the downtown war zone
Give cincy the money we need a remodel bad
I want the Grand Prix back.
Offer them the land for free buy out the airport and he pays for the stadium. No tax payer money. 49ers got some land from Santa Clara but paid for their entire building. Browns can do the same.
Will never happen. Burke is very useful to certain industries in the area, but could theoretically be done without. The big deal is that it’s also built on top of an old landfill that can support the current airport, which is nothing more than a big parking, but couldn’t structurally support buildings of this size without 100’s of millions of dollars in soil remediation and deep foundation work alone, and that’s before anything is even built.
First, rural missourians will not assist kc or st louis. Second, since Hunt voted AGAINST the st louus nfl expansion AND FOR stan kronke moving rams la, st. Louis will not help either, so Parsons will get no help, like it or not. Look. Though not a sports enthusiat. I still want missouri to be successful, and I support efforts to help all these teams to stay here.
Also. While true, Hunt could build a stadium like Kroenke, why build in such a small market. The rams at least doubled in value going to LA. The chargers went too. That stadium is next to LAX almost, and near all the happening stuff there. The Olympics and supercool are there. How do visitors get from our airport to our stadium and what di they di before and afterwards. Are t h by going to come rent 20,000 rental cars to drive around in kc. Due to our size, climate, logistics, and infrastructure, we HAVE to step up. San Diego county has 3.5 million people and lost a team. Lots if towns would love the chiefs....like Austin, capital of texas
Detroit built the Silver Dome and the Palace in the suburbs then years later moved back downtown. I hate domes for football but if they do build one then they to make it like Lucas Oil in downtown Indianapolis.
The Brook Park property has already been cleared out by the current owners and put up 1 new warehouse building but all construction stopped when the news of Haslams purchase agreement came out. The remaining Ford plant is not an issue at all. It also has easy access to I480 and I71 and Hopkins Intl is planning a $3billion renovation which includes redoing rt 237 that runs right in between the proposed stadium site and the airport. Burke would be a good spot if the land can support it but that property has been an ongoing fight for decades on whether or not to close the airport
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No stinkin BS Dome! This is Browns football, not an appalachian truck stop. So many iconic games played in the elements on the Lake over the decades. What is wrong with Jimmy Haslam? He's a con man.
He wants to be able to host a Super bowl and that will never happen without a dome
For feasibility of building on land fills just look at lower Manhattan. Some of your 911 videos show construction of twin towers pretty much next to hudson river. I remember one photo I recently saw in one of your videos about the new beach on the Hudson. That was a land fill there and eventually skyscrapers were built there.
(for clarification land fills are where ground/dirt/sand etc are put in water to create more landmass. They are not the same as landfills used to dispose waste)
They are looking at brookpark which is southwest of about 20 minutes.Cleveland near Hopkins airport
Done Dome Dome!
This is a great option to increase lakefront land usage beyond up to 10 days a year!
where ever they don’t choose the other site should be the new training facility berea is too small fr
Let's see update on White Sox situation. Keep going DG, love you bro!
No.
I don’t think building on a land fill would be an obstacle.
Burke airport has been used for small plane/private planes for years and its other job is a diversion airport for Hopkins International.
The land Municipal Stadium and now Browns home I believe was on landfill as well.
boo lol even though thats true, it still hurts as a browns fan that stings ;)
Fun fact- one of the issues with development along the lakefront is the height restriction because of the Burke traffic pattern. Without the airport the areas around the current stadium could be filled with high rises.
Also- the stadium currently sits on landfill.
A hypothetical stadium district doesn't usually have structures taller than the stadium itself, so high-rises capped at that height shouldn't or wouldn't be an issue.
Yeah, Stupefying!
Stop doing political videos
Agreed.
@@imnotsqiddy but we know he won't.
Look at his oldest videos..
Oh, FFS.
Should I stop paying taxes and hire a lawyer instead? This is a such a waste of city funds for an NFL team that sucks.
Also... Airports are useful. Why couldn't the Browns stay in Baltimore?
If you think Cleveland sucks you're either just hating or haven't watched the NFL in the last 5 years. Agree on this being a waste of taxpayer money but your coping kinda weakens and distracts from your main argument.
I agree with you whole-heartedly dude! What a waste of my tax money! Keep the land undeveloped and keep Burke Airport the way it is, it's a city landmark! Also, wouldn't this be the third stadium built in the same area?! 😮 What's wrong with the stadium they have now?!
***NO NEW STADIUM!!! I DON"T WANT TO PAY FOR THAT CRAP!!!***
Who need air ambulances anyway, right?
The Brook Park stadium needs to happen.
Why?
I think Brookpark is going to be the new training facility for the team Berea is too small
First, I love this channel
Even the political content
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@@rylans.5365 everything but that
I’m from Cleveland, and I say a team that hasn’t won a real playoff game in 30 years doesnt deserve a new stadium.
I feel like beating Pitt in Pitt was pretty real?
@@chameleonboy88 ah yes, the Covid playoffs with mannequins in the stands 😂
@@afridgetoofar1818 wait, were the mannequins playing the game? I agree it was different and not normal, but to say it wasn’t real because the fans weren’t there doesn’t make much sense to me. Just my opinion though :)
@@chameleonboy88 You’re not really refuting my original point.
@@afridgetoofar1818 Your original point was you don't think Cleveland should get a new stadium because you're of the opinion that they haven't done anything since they came back to warrant a new stadium? And my point is that they have won, definitaly not consistently enough to be praised or anything like that, but it's still a business and if they don't stay competitive (very loose expectations, too) even in the stadium game then Cleveland will lose their team again.
Build it over by the water treatment plant. I mean, why should crap water have to look bad by itself. Go Steelers!!
I can tell you Brookpark PD is yoking us on parking tickets like crazy there getting thousands of dollars a night in just parking there trying to get that money
Don't build it next to an airport.
Why not
Who are the Browns?
boo you lol