Tarja and Marko are the perfect match to this song for me. They both kill it. Tarja‘s voice is more operatic than Floor‘s and it‘s a matter of personal taste which voice you like more. Tarja‘s voice is more suitable for me in this version, because this song is about the OPERA. Love the colour of her voice.
I am also a Nightwish fan, but for me, though i enjoy both versions, neither Tarja nor Floor come close to Sarah Brightman and Sierra Boggges in this song. Marko on the other hand has become my favourite Phantom
Marko kills it. Markogasm is not an unheard of term. LOL Floor has NOT done Phantom with Nightwish. Henk was going to join them at the Nightwish concert in the Netherlands to do it, but postponements happened when the world turned upside down. They are all Finnish except Floor(Dutch), Annette( Swedish) and Troy(UK) The show was 2005 in Helsinki, Finland. After the show, the guys gave the open letter to Tarja, dismissing her from the band. Try 7 Days to the Wolves from the Wembley show. Or a couple songs with Marko on lead vocals, The Islander from Tampere and While My Lips Are Still Red from Wembley.
If I recall correctly, the guys in the band didn’t want to do “Phantom” after Tarja left because it was just too personally tied to her for them. Same with “Swanheart.” Interesting that they finally agreed to do it again after Marko left, I wonder if he was the one who didn’t want to do it again or if Floor just wanted it badly enough.
Required listening? “Wishmaster,” “Wanderlust,” “Swanheart,” “Deep Silent Complete” live from Wishes to Eternity, “The Siren” live from either Lowlands 2005 or End of an Era, the studio versions of “Fantasmic” from Wishmaster and “Beauty of the Beast” from Century Child. Just to name a few. There’s so, so many more. I mean they have nine whole albums to pull from.
Part of the reason Tarja was “drowned out” is just that she was performing while she had the flu AND a throat infection-so definitely not at full power, but super impressive nonetheless that she maintained so much stability and was able to hit the notes at all!
Great, you're back at Nightwish! Marko is indeed one of my favorite singers. Nightwish, Tarot, Delain, solo, Waltari, Therion, Northern Kings, Sapattivuosi or lap steel guitarist Mika Jaakkola etc. He is always excellent! Last year, Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath) was asked in an interview who made the best Black Sabbath Dio era cover. He replied immediately: Marko Hietala. After a short break, he added: Marko is a good singer. So, if the godfather of heavy metal says that, we can believe it!
As much as I love and adore Floor with what she has done with and without Nightwish, you just have to check out more Tarja, both with Nightwish and other material. WHAT A VOICE 🙂🙂
Hi Guys! The Greatest Show On Earth is absolutely on the must see-list. Live from Tampere, Finland. Another song that I would put on that list is Shudder Before The Beautiful, live at Wembley. Acoustic Heart cover, Alone, live on a small venue with Floor singing, Marco and Troy on guitars and Kai playing something is a must see for me. There is a studio version of that same song with just Floor which is also exellent. This list would go on and on as long as I keep writing. Dont worry guys, you still have a lot to explore.
Besides Poet, the remaining "MUST hear" from Nightwish would be "The Greatest Show on Earth", the third corner of the Nightwish triad (Poet and Ghost Love Score being the other two). It's also their longest song to date (over 20 minutes...the fastest 20 minutes of your life!!!). It's another that you might do a little research ahead of time, for the general idea behind the song. I HIGHLY suggest the 2015 Live at Tampere (fFinland) version for all the extra goodies. Here's a version with lyrics... ruclips.net/video/bl6lUfIMkGM/видео.html
I prefer Tampere for TGSOE myself, but Wembley is an awesome version as well. Whichever one you 2 react to, make sure you watch to the VERY END of the video. And then watch the other one later offline.
What most people don't realize is that Nightwish covered this song on their 2003 album "Century Child". Because of that, Floor and Henk Poort were using the Nightwish arrangement that was used ON THE ALBUM for their performance on Beste Zangers. The performance at End of an Era in 2004 was an actual live performance of the song, based off of the arrangement used on the album. In the musical, Erik (the Phantom) was portrayed as a troubled soul, and that was mainly it. In the Nightwish arrangement, Marko portrayed him as sinister, as people forget that the Phantom is responsible for someone getting killed! So Marko plays up that sinister role. Plus, there is a bit of a BDSM element to the song, as the Phantom keeps telling Christine to sing, and she keeps singing higher and higher. It was all of these arrangements that Tuomas did that had Andrew Lloyd Webber say that this was the best cover of Phantom of the Opera he had ever heard.
Nightwish has a long band history with one special incident, newcomers will stumble upon sooner or later. Their first era (1996-2005) ended with the dismissal of their legendary primal singer Tarja Turunen. The band came into life, when Tuomas (keyboarder) asked Tarja to join his band project along with his friend Emppu (guitarist), after they finished school. They were visiting the same school and had been sharing stage together already with their music class, e.g: ruclips.net/video/mNRahGTlE6s/видео.html. After appearances on local platforms and promising demos, Nightwish sent to record companies, they received the chance for a record contract and more nationalwide gigs. In 1997 they decided to add two more local musicians, Jukka on drums and bassist Sami to grow into a full band. There had always been speculations about a possible relation between the head and main-composer Tuomas and his muse Tarja, he wrote tailor-made songs for. Yet considering Tarja's choice on men, that may never ever happened. In 2000 she started to date Marcelo, who became her manager and in 2003 her husband. Marcelo once stated, that Tuomas couldn't stand him from day one, as he was jealous on him. Yet both men couldn't be more different at all. Marcelo, often descibed as a blow-hart, roughneck versus the shy, introvert dreamer, Tuomas used to be. So Marcelo started to separate Tarja from the band, announcing that Tarja will leave Nightwish after their next album for a solo career. Yet Tuomas was no longer be able to write any more songs for Tarja, so the band opted for her early leave in 2005, also to get rid of Marcelo as soon as possible. There is footage from their very last concert in Helsinki 2005 on RUclips (e.g. Phantom of the Opera). Watching their fanbase you can imagine how devastating the fast spreading news were amongst them, so even the Prime Minister of Finland needed to comment on their break-up. "Never replace a legend, but the replacement of the legend" is the best description for their follow-up prime vocalists (#2) Anette Olzon (2007-2012) and (#3) Floor Jansen (2012-present). Although the band maintained their revenues due to two very successful albums "Dark Passion Play" (2007) and "Imaginerium" (2011), Anette fault turned out to be just the intermediate between the two legendary Nightwish singers. For many like me, current singer Floor Jansen is the incarnation of Nightwish, as she is mirroring the versatility of Tuomas' songs in a way, not even Tarja could have done better.
*** Lyrics normally are connected with personal experiences from a poet's life. In this context songs dealing with an unrequited love theme, e.g. "Ghost Love-Score" seem to comprehend Tuomas' relationship to Tarja in a way or another: "WE used to swim the same moonlight waters...a SIREN (Tarja) from the sea came to me ...sang my name my longings...forgive the adoring BEAST (himself)". Longings like in EVER DREAM. SHE'S MY SIN speaks for itself. Dark fantasies from that beast regarding forced love like in DEVIL AND THE DEEP DARK OCEAN hear mermaid Tarja screaming "leave me be". Of course the appearance of Marcelo was SLAYING THE DREAMER (Tuomas), so he needed to get rid of his childish longings, e.g. "DEAD" BOY'S POEM: "I wish, I wouldn't feel for you anymore". Don't be fooled that critics from fans and media are the sole reason of thoughts about suicide as in THE POET AND THE PENDULUM, if there wasn't an overall depression following his unrequited love theme. Whenever you want to experience our shy, introvert dreamer Tuomas as angry as he gets then be ready for the song he dedicated to Marcelo in the aftermath: MASTER PASSION GREED. I won't close those aspects without mentioning Tuomas' personal happy-endings. In 2009 he met his wife Johanna Kourkela, a classical trained singer (seems to me like he kept his dating rules), whom he married in 2014, after the Nightwish' Imaginerium World Tour. And, of course, he hit the Jackpot for another time, when he was successfully inviting Floor Jansen. Initially the predictive album with Tarja "END OF AN ERA", I guess, was meant to him to stop writing love songs regarding his emotions for Tarja, as she had married in the meantime. Tuomas "the ear" Holopainen heard Floor's potential, since her primal band "After Forever" was their support band on Nightwish 2002/03 tour. Floor's true and faithful character wouldn't have allowed her to leave her band, so Tuomas needed to be patient, maybe another reason why Anette remained on guest singer status after their first tour "Dark Passion Play". Although Anette improved her live abilities significantly at the second tour "Imaginerium", her pregnancy was the game-changer. At least since Tuomas/Marko heard, that ReVamp, Floor's band-project, she had been chief-cook and bottle-washer, needed to cancel all of their gigs in 2012 indefinitely, due to Floor's break-down syndrome.
7 days to the wolves, Devil and the deep dark ocean, Nemo and Sleeping sun with Tarja to start with... many other still to go oh and of cause Islander from Tampere and The Greatest Show on Earth from same concert
Glad to see you back on your Nightwish journey. End of an Era was the name of the DVD/live album from their last tour with Tarja. This was the last show on the tour. The band handed her “the letter” backstage after the show. The band is Finnish, Tuomas, Emppu, Marko, Jukka, Kai, Tarja are all from Finland. Anette is from Sweden, Troy from England, and Floor from the Netherlands. So much more greatness still to discover. I would definitely recommend getting back to Floor, with Seven Days to the Wolves, from Wembley, or the finale from Wacken, Last Ride of the Day. Enjoy!
This performance was recorded in 2005, but the band decided to post it on their own channel just a year ago, after one of the unofficial videos posted by a fan surpassed 70 million views. RUclips didn't exist at the time the Nightwish albums with Tarja were released. She recorded the band's first 5 albums: Angels fall first (1997), Oceanborn (1998), Wishmaster (2000), Century Child (2002) and Once (2004). In addition to these albums, Tarja also recorded the band's initial demo in 1996, the group's first EP and two live dvds. There are shows not released on dvd here on RUclips. They were recorded at major festivals like the 2002 Summer Breeze Festival and 2005 Lowlands, for example.
For your recommendation (in no particular order: 1. Tribal 2. Noise (video) 3. Élan 4. Come Cover Me 5. Nemo (acoustic with Floor) 6. Shoemaker (THIS WILL AMAZE YOU!) 7. The Islander (live) 8. Edema Ruh (acoustic) All 'must listen to's'! (I probably forgot a few :P)
I saw this tour when they were in the uk. The whole show was stunning but witnessing this track live was mind blowing. It was the only time I ever saw Nightwish.
@@tiinuska7712 Well Tarja had said herself that she would not tour with Nightwish again... So she knew it was her last concert. She said she was gonna do one more album. But that's a bit insane if you are not gonna tour....
It's helpful to know a little bit about the background of "The Poet and the Pendulum" but remember that a great song (and it is a great song) stands on its own and can speak to people who don't know anything of what it is about. One of the best reactions I've seen was by a person who knew nothing about the backstory or the band, and the worst were by people trying to over interpret the history. Just listen to a great song and feel what it is about.
The reason why you didn't here the high note as well as with Floor, is because Marko is freaking out there with his screams. I love this version but He should have given more space to shine in this song. Unfortunately there is no version of this song, performed by Nightwish with Floor as their vocalist. I owuld love to hear that too, I'm sure it will sound amazing!
During that show, they were all Finnish... this was still the original lineup of Nightwish, all of them from Finland. However, that changed practically at the end of the show when Tarja was fired, and they slid into their next incarnation with the Swedish Anette as vocalist... and later on continued with the advent of the Dutch Floor and the British Troy. Not so Finnish anymore. :)
🇬🇧 Norfolk joining you for your journey . Her last performance with the band And did you spot the jack sparrow doll on Tuomas keyboard For the poet live at Wembley with lyrics will help
Floor fan boys never give credit to Tarja for this performance. All they dwell on is Marco even though he hits a bum note at 5.30. Full credit should be given to Tarja and band who makes this the best performance of this song ever!
She did stay in her comfort zone. But considering the fact she had to go through such a long show even though she was sick and advised not to sing this performance is so so so so good.
Its 2005. Pethaps that’s the sound difference. Try Sleeping Sun. Nemo. Etc. Tarya Empu and Tuomas formed band. Tuomas wrote for or abt Tarya till 2007 (yes twp yrs after breakup). And all the 5 here are Finnish. Btw The Poet and Pendulum is abt the breakup with Tarya and band. Tuomas and Tarya is a soap opera fr age 16 And HS.
I like Marko better because Tarja is Tarja. This is Tarja's last concert with Nightwish .Jukka had a Migraine due to his Insomnia. Marko has 2 videos out last year. 1 is Soita. 2nd Waltari a documentary. Floor is Dutch Troy is English Tuomas ,Marco, Tarja Jukka ,Emppu are Finnish Anette is Swedish. Kai and Jukka the new bassist are Finnish also .
I still get goosebumps when Tarja starts singing. :) Btw, @3:42 (of your video) , is it just me, or does that blond chick on the right look possessed ? :P
This kind of song fits Tarja much better than FJ. The same thing with classical pieces like O' babbino caro mio and Vilja lied. E.g. Phantom of the Opera favors Tarja's ability to sing spacious high notes. You can hear years of classical training. IMO, it would not be very clever from the band to bring this song on the stage with FJ - the original version of NW is so strong.
Hopefully we WILL get a Nightwish+Floor version soon...in order for Henk to do TPOTO with Floor on Beste Zangers, Henk made Floor promise to bring Henk on stage to do it next time Nightwish comes to the Netherlands for a show, She emphatically agreed....unfortunately COVID has pushed it back, but it will hopefully happen some day in the near future.
The whole Band is Finnish apart from, Floor who is Dutch and Troy who is British. I'm not aware of any live performance of this song with Floor and the Band, Beste Zangers is the only one I know of where she sings it..
Boys! Your audio is great! But why was your video less than one inch big? Full screen of y'all...it actually took me a minute to find where the sound was coming from! Marko Hietala is a total rock star! Classically trained guitarist, accomplished bassist, successful songwriter and fantastic vocalist!
@@beardsreact9246 Please, check his latest outputs. e.g. Mika Jaakkola's Soita from Nov 2021. People are telling that they miss Marko but he has not disappeared, he is just doing new things.
@@beardsreact9246 When he starts singing...isn't it kinda like (weird analogy...) comfort food? He just makes us (well, me) feel like, he's got this, everyone relax! Glad you knew about the tiny video! Experiment away! I do like the new chairs...
The Greatest Show on Earth is a MUST for you and everybody. There are live version from Wembley and from Tampere, Finland. They are both great but I would prefer you to react to the Tampere version since it's the band on their home ground Finland.
My personal favorite Nightwish singer is Floor BUT I think this song fits Tarya a little better. Not taking anything away from the Floor version but when I see someone post a reaction to this version I have to watch it, the other one not so much. For almost anything else, it's Floor all the way.
The poet and the pendulum has to do with Tarja and the episode of her resignation. According to Tuomas, "The poet and the pendulum" was the way he found to deal with the depression after Tarja's departure. The band, and especially Tuomas, received a lot of hatred from all over the world. They lost a lot of fans. I'm going to summarize the story for you to understand why people's reaction was so negative. Tarja's resignation was a very dramatic episode. The relationship between her and the band had been bad for some time, so at the end of 2004 Tarja decided to tell the band that she would leave. The idea was to record one last album and go on a farewell tour. She wanted to announce her decision to the public and prepare fans for the vocalist change, however, Tuomas convinced her not to do so at the time. It turns out that, after that meeting, the band planned a public firing on the sly. The group wrote a letter of resignation full of attacks to Tarja and her husband. They delivered this letter to Tarja at the end of the "End of an era" show and posted it on the band's website the next day. It was a scandal. In response, Tarja wrote a letter but did not attack the band. She also held a press conference to respond better to the group's accusations. Her husband also spoke. He answered more than 150 questions from fans around the world and posted the answers on the internet. Given the reports that were brought and other available records, including videos and documentaries, a large part of the fan base revolted against the band. Faced with criticism from different sides, Tuomas fell into a depression and wrote "The poet and the pendulum" as a way of dealing with the situation. Some say that Tuomas suffered from unrequited love for Tarja. This feeling would have been the fuel for the composition of some songs.The question of Tuomas' love for Tarja is actually an old theory of fans. This theory was built even before Tarja's dismissal, and is based on old interviews (see this one, for example: ruclips.net/video/gt0haAiGbHo/видео.html) and on the lyrics that Tuomas used to write. The idea of the existence of unrequited love was strengthened when Marcelo himself (Tarja's husband) spoke about the subject in the responses he gave to fans. The depression itself and the song "The poet and the pendulum" can, in theory, be read as a reflection of this love drama. Regardless of whether this theory about Tuomas is true or not, the fact is that bringing internal issues to the public was the worst choice. A lot of the band's past has been brought up and no one has come out unscathed. Because of the scandal, Tarja lost some fans and contracts for her solo career. On the other hand, the band also lost fans and had little-known events brought to a wider audience. For example, Tarja suffered an attempted sexual abuse in the middle of a concert in Guadalajara in 2000. At the time, the band continued playing as if nothing had happened, even after Tarja left the stage along with the criminal and the security guards. There are videos of the episode here on RUclips. Later, after Tarja left, the band itself mentioned the event in its official biography. The way the band decided to fire Tarja and the facts of the past that were brought to public knowledge infuriated many fans. To get a sense of how big the fan base was in the past, look at the number of views of the first videos with Anette ("Bye, bye, beautiful" and "Amaranth"). These numbers are representative of the fan base situation at the end of Tarja's period and beginning of Anette. The first album with Anette was the band's first album ever released with RUclips ever running. We were all curious to know who the new singer was and what she sounded like. Unfortunately Anette didn't please a large part of the original fan base, which also contributed to the band losing more fans. Anette and Floor helped to attract a different audience and reconfigure the fan base. Some old fans have returned with the entry of Floor. She is nothing new to us. For example, I've known her since her first band, After Forever. Here are some sources: Resignation letter written by the band: nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Tarja_Turunen Tarja's press conference after the dismissal, in full: ruclips.net/video/ATDFinGZ8D8/видео.html Marcelo's detailed response to questions sended by Nightwish fans at the dismissal epoque: www.tuomasholopainen.fora.pl/wywiady-artykuly,29/odpowiedzi-marcelo-na-pytania-fanow-czerwiec-2006,455.html Letter written by Tarja: nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_from_Tarja_Turunen A snippet from the book "Once Upon a Nightwish" detailing the abuse incident - fromwishestoeternity.tumblr.com/post/111177476493/alfaangel-i-just-put-together-some-facts-about/amp The video of the abuse incident: ruclips.net/video/3bj4h1807kY/видео.html
Marko has said that with Tarja and Anette he had to be careful that his voice did not overpower theirs (drown them out), but that with Floor he never has to worry about it.
@@nicholew350 Only an idiot can think Marko or any other pop/rock singer can overpower Tarja . Tarja's vocals are open, have core , and she projects what means the sound is 2-3 x bigger in volume . And no matter how heavily he ( or Floor, or Anette)pushes , the sound is not more than a few decibels bigger ,in addition it gets an ugly donkey- like color. Nightwishers do talk a lot of rubbish 😉
@@nicholew350 Whoever 😉. I don't believe Marko said such a nonsense even about Anette , 'cause every schoolboy/schoolgirl knows that insignificant difference in volume between Marco&Anette/Floor is very easily equalized by sound technicians.
The contrast between Tarja and Marko's vocals can not be matched. I understand you are both huge Floor fans and that is fine, but let's face it, this is the perfect Tarja/Marko song. Research the Poet and Pendulum before reacting to it, then react to Tarja's song "Diva" which is her side of the story. Always remember, there are 2 sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
Sorry fans of Hank Port and Floor version but this is the ultimate version of Phantom of the Opera, Marko kills it as Phantom and to me Tarja's operatic voice is more suitable for this song
Floor has not done this song with Nightwish yet , this show is from 2005 her last show with the band NOTE : your video is really small & hard to see maybe do an adjustment on size
hey! Your beard is starting to look a little like Marko's? It just needs 5 or 6 more inches of growth. In this performance the entire band is Finnish. Floor has not done this with Nightwish. There are a few songs (operatic ones) that are the iconic songs from Tarja. Floor has great respect and usually leaves those to her.
Usually I tend to like the Floor versions a bit more (with some exceptions for both, Tarja and Anette), because with her voice or small changes they make live with her the songs have a bit more oomph. And I also tend to like Floor's operatic singing style a bit more since she rarely goes full on opera (but when she does 🤯), her voice almost always keeps a lighter tone. And I like that when I wanna listen to more than one or two songs, because the full on operatic tone starts to get a bit much for me (just personal taste; before Tarja and Nightwish I couldn't stand it at all). But for me this one is perfect as it is with Tarja and Marko (have to admit though that a Nightwish song in which Marko just sings one word usually makes it to my favorites immediately 😁). And still..after hearing Floor with Henk (another version I love) all I wanted was hearing Floor and Marko sing this song together. As much as I love Tarja in this, Marko and Floor are just perfect together and I was (still am) so curious about how they would sound. And surprisingly I don't even think I would like it more, I just wanna hear it so bad because I think that would be perfect too. And it wouldn't hurt to have another awesome version of my first favorite Nightwish song. Oh and for me there is a long list of "you have to listen to that". Trying to think of a short version. With Anette: Slow, Love, Slow (fits her voice perfectly and there is even a good live version on RUclips somewhere; sadly not many good live recordings with her on the platform), Rest Calm and Sahara (both studio) and of course Scaretale. There is a cool fan made video with live footage and scenes of the Imaginaerum movie. One of my all time favorities is Planet Hell, I almost don't care which female lead sings it, but I like the video with Anette because of how goofy the guys are in it. And pretty much the whole Human Nature album (favorites being Tribal and Endlessness). I really tried the "short" thing... failed..
Tarja was extremely ill the day of this performance. She couldn’t even speak that morning, and her doctor told her to cancel the show. Luckily, she didn’t, considering what happened afterwards. There are other versions on RUclips where she doesn’t get drowned out bc she wasn’t sick. Now, when Floor does it with Henk, the band will tone it down a bit. They’ve toned down all of the old Tarja songs. And, regarding TPATP, it’s a great song, but Toumas caused all of that drama himself. He was more concerned about ruining Tarja’s solo career, than being professional. A lot of the stuff in the open letter has been debunked. If you’re going to research and get into all of this drama, you should react to Ever Dream from End of an Era. It is rumored that Toumas wrote that song about Tarja. You can see him getting very emotional after Tarja sings the first chorus. There is so much history that the new fan base tries to erase. It’s extremely sad. Not a lot of NW fans watch reaction videos. The ones that do, are usually new fans that found them from either Beste Zangers, or a reaction video. They are a small minority of the fan base. They will have you thinking that NW is more popular than ever. They are not. Their popularity has dwindled quite a bit since the first Annette album. And, the majority of fans are not hardcore Floor fans. Most fans have been around since the beginning and listen to all three singers. The newer fans have pushed the old fans away from reaction videos. It’s gotten better, but they used to downvote all Tarja reaction videos, and if a reactor liked a Tarja version of a song, they would freak out in the comments. They have made many reactors quit reacting. Some have just apologized and stuck to only reacting to Floor. Most, are terrified to criticize her at all. But, these are the loud minority. They don’t represent the fan base as a whole.
Well said. And one needs to remember two other factors to be remembered: the development of the sound engineering and social media - e.g. RUclips was released only in 2005. In Tarja's era the music was not equally get-at-able as it is now.
I don't think Tuomas or the other band members involved in her departure are the real problem per se. It's people like you who, till this date, can't handle the drama and thus creating "unverifiable facts" and "rumors" that fit their narrative to make it more bearable for themselves and subsequently putting Tarja on an pedestal, forgetting she and her partner were part of the problem. They had their reasons to fire her, which all of us don't know about to its full extent. I wonder what will happen to you if you encounter major catastrophies in your own life. I don't like to see you crumble if that happens. All I would like to say to you and those others who suffer from the same delusions: "Grow up and move on". This behaviour is just dispicable.
@@bomaverick5520 I think it was the both parties, with different point of views and different... manners could be the right word. We usually tolerate even quite vulgar behaviour if we have been in that circle long enough. When something changes in our life, we start to see things from a new perspective and move on. What comes to TH, I am not surprised that he reacted so strongly to the change. It was good for both parties to get out from a situation without other solution. That "drama" was also "marketer's wet dream" - "everything is fine" is flat, drama sells.
@@bomaverick5520 People like me? I’m not the one telling these guys to research before reacting to The Poet and the Pendulum. That’s the only reason I mention any of it. I said, if they’re going to get into all of the drama, might as well get the old fan bases point of view too. The fact that people think they need to do research before reacting to it, is stupid. No one put Tarja on a pedestal. It’s just the truth. A lot of the things in the letter have been debunked. I never said I was against the firing, just the way they fired her and tried to ruin her solo career. That’s also a fact.
I cannot understand the comments about "coming for Tarja, and staying for Marko" (or something like that, usually several). I thought people are coming for the band. - I am not sure whether those comments are showing the eagerness to reduce Tarja's input, or just because people are already expecting such a high quality performance from her that they sort of ignore it like "we knew she will be damn good so nothing new here". True that Marko is great but that is what one can expect also from him.
It’s new fans trying to diminish Tarja. You see this same comment on every phantom reaction. Multiple times on the same video actually. It’s most likely bots. Either, Floor, or NW, has hired them. But, they are out to make Tarja look bad and make sure no one likes, or reacts to her anymore.
@@nicholew350 I think that hardcore fans are capable of acting like that by themselves, alone. When they see somebody to write something, they start to repeat it. (For example, if there is a reaction of Islander with Marko, there is always something like "how many can say that they have FJ as back vocalist"... it becomes a boring cliché when you see it every time.) IF I was doing a promotion work for a band, I would put some people to act as patreons. - What I can understand is that if somebody has learnt about NW first with Floor, for him/her the current era is the only one. What I cannot understand is why they even bother to listen to the performances from Tarja's era.
Unfortunately no Floor Nightwish version exists of this. And good job noticing that Tarja do gets drown a bit by the band. And well Anette was not great live but did some very nice recordings like "Eva" and "Meadows of Heaven".
Markogasm! You came for Tarja but were overrun by Marko! BTW reacting next time to TPATP would show a feeling for perfect timing from you: that song is the direct result of what happened after this show: Tarja was kicked out of the band, leaving the whole NW army and even Finland distracted. Drama sometimes creates art.
This is just mindblowing to me. The Nightwish version of this song is just so amazing... Marko at his best and Tarja, wow what a voice !!
And remember, Marko was singing the entire time WHILE PLAYING THE BASS!
Tarja and Marko are the perfect match to this song for me. They both kill it. Tarja‘s voice is more operatic than Floor‘s and it‘s a matter of personal taste which voice you like more. Tarja‘s voice is more suitable for me in this version, because this song is about the OPERA. Love the colour of her voice.
I am a Nightwish-fan and Floor-fan, but for me, this is a best version.
I am also a Nightwish fan, but for me, though i enjoy both versions, neither Tarja nor Floor come close to Sarah Brightman and Sierra Boggges in this song. Marko on the other hand has become my favourite Phantom
Marko kills it. Markogasm is not an unheard of term. LOL
Floor has NOT done Phantom with Nightwish. Henk was going to join them at the Nightwish concert in the Netherlands to do it, but postponements happened when the world turned upside down.
They are all Finnish except Floor(Dutch), Annette( Swedish) and Troy(UK)
The show was 2005 in Helsinki, Finland. After the show, the guys gave the open letter to Tarja, dismissing her from the band.
Try 7 Days to the Wolves from the Wembley show. Or a couple songs with Marko on lead vocals, The Islander from Tampere and While My Lips Are Still Red from Wembley.
I've had MANY Markogasms!
If I recall correctly, the guys in the band didn’t want to do “Phantom” after Tarja left because it was just too personally tied to her for them. Same with “Swanheart.” Interesting that they finally agreed to do it again after Marko left, I wonder if he was the one who didn’t want to do it again or if Floor just wanted it badly enough.
I've heard it referred to as a Markotree, because it makes you want to climb him like a tree. :)
@@stamasd8500 Sign me up for that!
I would love to hear Marko and Floor 😢
on this era , Tuomas, Jukka, Emppu, Tarja all from Finland
Required listening?
“Wishmaster,” “Wanderlust,” “Swanheart,” “Deep Silent Complete” live from Wishes to Eternity, “The Siren” live from either Lowlands 2005 or End of an Era, the studio versions of “Fantasmic” from Wishmaster and “Beauty of the Beast” from Century Child. Just to name a few. There’s so, so many more. I mean they have nine whole albums to pull from.
Part of the reason Tarja was “drowned out” is just that she was performing while she had the flu AND a throat infection-so definitely not at full power, but super impressive nonetheless that she maintained so much stability and was able to hit the notes at all!
Great, you're back at Nightwish!
Marko is indeed one of my favorite singers. Nightwish, Tarot, Delain, solo, Waltari, Therion, Northern Kings, Sapattivuosi or lap steel guitarist Mika Jaakkola etc. He is always excellent!
Last year, Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath) was asked in an interview who made the best Black Sabbath Dio era cover. He replied immediately: Marko Hietala. After a short break, he added: Marko is a good singer. So, if the godfather of heavy metal says that, we can believe it!
And Waltari (Below Zero) and Dark Sarah (Gods speak), Ayreon... Mika Jaakkola's Soita feat. Marko is a must! It suprises.
Hi there, at this era all band members are finnish😉
As much as I love and adore Floor with what she has done with and without Nightwish, you just have to check out more Tarja, both with Nightwish and other material. WHAT A VOICE 🙂🙂
Thanks for some TARJAWISH !!!!! ☮☮💘💘
Great reaction 😁👍 Nightwish is from Finland 😂 ! Floor is Dutch and Troy from UK. This song is awesome!🤘🤘Tarja and Marko together, wow! Marko ❤❤
Hi Guys!
The Greatest Show On Earth is absolutely on the must see-list. Live from Tampere, Finland. Another song that I would put on that list is Shudder Before The Beautiful, live at Wembley. Acoustic Heart cover, Alone, live on a small venue with Floor singing, Marco and Troy on guitars and Kai playing something is a must see for me. There is a studio version of that same song with just Floor which is also exellent. This list would go on and on as long as I keep writing. Dont worry guys, you still have a lot to explore.
a lot...
All members are Finish except for Anette - Swedish, Floor - Dutch and Troy - English. Don’t worry you will get there. ❤️🤘🎸🇦🇺
Besides Poet, the remaining "MUST hear" from Nightwish would be "The Greatest Show on Earth", the third corner of the Nightwish triad (Poet and Ghost Love Score being the other two). It's also their longest song to date (over 20 minutes...the fastest 20 minutes of your life!!!). It's another that you might do a little research ahead of time, for the general idea behind the song. I HIGHLY suggest the 2015 Live at Tampere (fFinland) version for all the extra goodies.
Here's a version with lyrics...
ruclips.net/video/bl6lUfIMkGM/видео.html
I prefer Tampere for TGSOE myself, but Wembley is an awesome version as well. Whichever one you 2 react to, make sure you watch to the VERY END of the video. And then watch the other one later offline.
I absolutely second this.
With Marko its "The Hietala High" 😁😁
What most people don't realize is that Nightwish covered this song on their 2003 album "Century Child". Because of that, Floor and Henk Poort were using the Nightwish arrangement that was used ON THE ALBUM for their performance on Beste Zangers. The performance at End of an Era in 2004 was an actual live performance of the song, based off of the arrangement used on the album. In the musical, Erik (the Phantom) was portrayed as a troubled soul, and that was mainly it. In the Nightwish arrangement, Marko portrayed him as sinister, as people forget that the Phantom is responsible for someone getting killed! So Marko plays up that sinister role. Plus, there is a bit of a BDSM element to the song, as the Phantom keeps telling Christine to sing, and she keeps singing higher and higher.
It was all of these arrangements that Tuomas did that had Andrew Lloyd Webber say that this was the best cover of Phantom of the Opera he had ever heard.
Musical was based on a book and in the book the Phantom was actually a villain, very dark character
@@marinamucic908 All the best characters ARE villains😘
Your first taste of Tarja, she had a bit of the flu during this concert but you wouldn't know it..she was let go right after this concert.
Tarja created this band. With Tuomas and Jukka. It's so easily forgotten where it started for the first couple of albums. Before Marko..
You still must get to 7 days to the wolves and Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean
Nightwish - Sacrament Of Wilderness
The one and only Tarja 🤘💙🇫🇮
Everyone in the band here is Finnish. Anette Olzon, who replaced Tarja soon after this show, was the first non-Finn in the band.
Nightwish has a long band history with one special incident, newcomers will stumble upon sooner or later. Their first era (1996-2005) ended with the dismissal of their legendary primal singer Tarja Turunen. The band came into life, when Tuomas (keyboarder) asked Tarja to join his band project along with his friend Emppu (guitarist), after they finished school. They were visiting the same school and had been sharing stage together already with their music class, e.g: ruclips.net/video/mNRahGTlE6s/видео.html. After appearances on local platforms and promising demos, Nightwish sent to record companies, they received the chance for a record contract and more nationalwide gigs. In 1997 they decided to add two more local musicians, Jukka on drums and bassist Sami to grow into a full band.
There had always been speculations about a possible relation between the head and main-composer Tuomas and his muse Tarja, he wrote tailor-made songs for. Yet considering Tarja's choice on men, that may never ever happened. In 2000 she started to date Marcelo, who became her manager and in 2003 her husband. Marcelo once stated, that Tuomas couldn't stand him from day one, as he was jealous on him. Yet both men couldn't be more different at all. Marcelo, often descibed as a blow-hart, roughneck versus the shy, introvert dreamer, Tuomas used to be. So Marcelo started to separate Tarja from the band, announcing that Tarja will leave Nightwish after their next album for a solo career. Yet Tuomas was no longer be able to write any more songs for Tarja, so the band opted for her early leave in 2005, also to get rid of Marcelo as soon as possible. There is footage from their very last concert in Helsinki 2005 on RUclips (e.g. Phantom of the Opera). Watching their fanbase you can imagine how devastating the fast spreading news were amongst them, so even the Prime Minister of Finland needed to comment on their break-up.
"Never replace a legend, but the replacement of the legend" is the best description for their follow-up prime vocalists (#2) Anette Olzon (2007-2012) and (#3) Floor Jansen (2012-present). Although the band maintained their revenues due to two very successful albums "Dark Passion Play" (2007) and "Imaginerium" (2011), Anette fault turned out to be just the intermediate between the two legendary Nightwish singers. For many like me, current singer Floor Jansen is the incarnation of Nightwish, as she is mirroring the versatility of Tuomas' songs in a way, not even Tarja could have done better.
*** Lyrics normally are connected with personal experiences from a poet's life. In this context songs dealing with an unrequited love theme, e.g. "Ghost Love-Score" seem to comprehend Tuomas' relationship to Tarja in a way or another: "WE used to swim the same moonlight waters...a SIREN (Tarja) from the sea came to me ...sang my name my longings...forgive the adoring BEAST (himself)". Longings like in EVER DREAM. SHE'S MY SIN speaks for itself. Dark fantasies from that beast regarding forced love like in DEVIL AND THE DEEP DARK OCEAN hear mermaid Tarja screaming "leave me be". Of course the appearance of Marcelo was SLAYING THE DREAMER (Tuomas), so he needed to get rid of his childish longings, e.g. "DEAD" BOY'S POEM: "I wish, I wouldn't feel for you anymore". Don't be fooled that critics from fans and media are the sole reason of thoughts about suicide as in THE POET AND THE PENDULUM, if there wasn't an overall depression following his unrequited love theme. Whenever you want to experience our shy, introvert dreamer Tuomas as angry as he gets then be ready for the song he dedicated to Marcelo in the aftermath: MASTER PASSION GREED.
I won't close those aspects without mentioning Tuomas' personal happy-endings. In 2009 he met his wife Johanna Kourkela, a classical trained singer (seems to me like he kept his dating rules), whom he married in 2014, after the Nightwish' Imaginerium World Tour. And, of course, he hit the Jackpot for another time, when he was successfully inviting Floor Jansen. Initially the predictive album with Tarja "END OF AN ERA", I guess, was meant to him to stop writing love songs regarding his emotions for Tarja, as she had married in the meantime. Tuomas "the ear" Holopainen heard Floor's potential, since her primal band "After Forever" was their support band on Nightwish 2002/03 tour. Floor's true and faithful character wouldn't have allowed her to leave her band, so Tuomas needed to be patient, maybe another reason why Anette remained on guest singer status after their first tour "Dark Passion Play". Although Anette improved her live abilities significantly at the second tour "Imaginerium", her pregnancy was the game-changer. At least since Tuomas/Marko heard, that ReVamp, Floor's band-project, she had been chief-cook and bottle-washer, needed to cancel all of their gigs in 2012 indefinitely, due to Floor's break-down syndrome.
Back on Nightwish, nice!
This concert was the last time Tarja would sing with Nightwish.
7 days to the wolves, Devil and the deep dark ocean, Nemo and Sleeping sun with Tarja to start with... many other still to go oh and of cause Islander from Tampere and The Greatest Show on Earth from same concert
Glad to see you back on your Nightwish journey. End of an Era was the name of the DVD/live album from their last tour with Tarja. This was the last show on the tour. The band handed her “the letter” backstage after the show. The band is Finnish, Tuomas, Emppu, Marko, Jukka, Kai, Tarja are all from Finland. Anette is from Sweden, Troy from England, and Floor from the Netherlands. So much more greatness still to discover. I would definitely recommend getting back to Floor, with Seven Days to the Wolves, from Wembley, or the finale from Wacken, Last Ride of the Day. Enjoy!
This performance was recorded in 2005, but the band decided to post it on their own channel just a year ago, after one of the unofficial videos posted by a fan surpassed 70 million views. RUclips didn't exist at the time the Nightwish albums with Tarja were released. She recorded the band's first 5 albums: Angels fall first (1997), Oceanborn (1998), Wishmaster (2000), Century Child (2002) and Once (2004). In addition to these albums, Tarja also recorded the band's initial demo in 1996, the group's first EP and two live dvds. There are shows not released on dvd here on RUclips. They were recorded at major festivals like the 2002 Summer Breeze Festival and 2005 Lowlands, for example.
For your recommendation (in no particular order:
1. Tribal
2. Noise (video)
3. Élan
4. Come Cover Me
5. Nemo (acoustic with Floor)
6. Shoemaker (THIS WILL AMAZE YOU!)
7. The Islander (live)
8. Edema Ruh (acoustic)
All 'must listen to's'!
(I probably forgot a few :P)
Marco is the best Erik ever, I will die on this hill!
I saw this tour when they were in the uk. The whole show was stunning but witnessing this track live was mind blowing. It was the only time I ever saw Nightwish.
Thanks.
Marko steal this one!
You have to check out nightwish - Shoemaker ! You will end up crying for sure
More with her please ❤️
Yesss queen tarja ❤️❤️❤️
And think, the band are maintaining this chemistry and doing this show, when they already know they are firing Tarja at the end, and she has no clue.
Good to see you guys back in the Nightwish journey! I would love to see you reacting to EPICA. Another amazing symphonic metal band you should know.
All of them are Finns. Not from Helsinki though.
Funnily, a lot of good bands come from Eastern Finland! Specially in metal.
it was Tarja's farewell concert and everyone knew it ... very emotional.
Not Tarja or the fans. Only Tuomas, Emppu, Marko and Jukka.
@@tiinuska7712 Well Tarja had said herself that she would not tour with Nightwish again... So she knew it was her last concert. She said she was gonna do one more album. But that's a bit insane if you are not gonna tour....
"Slaying the Dreamer" both Tarya and Floor's version!!!!!
Those are Markoshivers you're feeling. (-:
It's helpful to know a little bit about the background of "The Poet and the Pendulum" but remember that a great song (and it is a great song) stands on its own and can speak to people who don't know anything of what it is about. One of the best reactions I've seen was by a person who knew nothing about the backstory or the band, and the worst were by people trying to over interpret the history. Just listen to a great song and feel what it is about.
Simply said; that is Marc-O-Gasm =)
The reason why you didn't here the high note as well as with Floor, is because Marko is freaking out there with his screams. I love this version but He should have given more space to shine in this song. Unfortunately there is no version of this song, performed by Nightwish with Floor as their vocalist. I owuld love to hear that too, I'm sure it will sound amazing!
The band played this concert knowing that they were going to can Tarja right after the show...
During that show, they were all Finnish... this was still the original lineup of Nightwish, all of them from Finland. However, that changed practically at the end of the show when Tarja was fired, and they slid into their next incarnation with the Swedish Anette as vocalist... and later on continued with the advent of the Dutch Floor and the British Troy. Not so Finnish anymore. :)
Almost correct. Marko was not an "original" 😉
Marco😍!!
I enjoy your reactions:) Greetings from Germany🤘
At that time the whole band was Finnish
The NW video screen is to big. Make it smaller so I can see more of you.
LOL!!
🇬🇧 Norfolk joining you for your journey . Her last performance with the band
And did you spot the jack sparrow doll on Tuomas keyboard
For the poet live at Wembley with lyrics will help
Definitely a Marko-gasm :)
Floor fan boys never give credit to Tarja for this performance. All they dwell on is Marco even though he hits a bum note at 5.30. Full credit should be given to Tarja and band who makes this the best performance of this song ever!
She did stay in her comfort zone. But considering the fact she had to go through such a long show even though she was sick and advised not to sing this performance is so so so so good.
Nightwish hasn't played Phantom since this concert, hence why can't find a version with Floor or even Annette.
Its 2005. Pethaps that’s the sound difference. Try Sleeping Sun. Nemo. Etc. Tarya Empu and Tuomas formed band. Tuomas wrote for or abt Tarya till 2007 (yes twp yrs after breakup). And all the 5 here are Finnish. Btw The Poet and Pendulum is abt the breakup with Tarya and band. Tuomas and Tarya is a soap opera fr age 16 And HS.
I like Marko better because Tarja is Tarja. This is Tarja's last concert with Nightwish .Jukka had a Migraine due to his Insomnia. Marko has 2 videos out last year. 1 is Soita. 2nd Waltari a documentary. Floor is Dutch Troy is English Tuomas ,Marco, Tarja Jukka ,Emppu are Finnish Anette is Swedish. Kai and Jukka the new bassist are Finnish also .
I still get goosebumps when Tarja starts singing. :)
Btw, @3:42 (of your video) , is it just me, or does that blond chick on the right look possessed ? :P
All hale the REAL TRUE Queen of Nightwish!!!!!!!!!!!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😀👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
any classic singer can do this tarja trol
if you want a band that is a bit like Nightwish, I can recommend that you react to Within Temptation - Angels
This kind of song fits Tarja much better than FJ. The same thing with classical pieces like O' babbino caro mio and Vilja lied. E.g. Phantom of the Opera favors Tarja's ability to sing spacious high notes. You can hear years of classical training. IMO, it would not be very clever from the band to bring this song on the stage with FJ - the original version of NW is so strong.
As for recommendations, you should listen to something off of the latest album. Lots of great songs, but "Noise" and "Shoemaker" are standouts.
Hopefully we WILL get a Nightwish+Floor version soon...in order for Henk to do TPOTO with Floor on Beste Zangers, Henk made Floor promise to bring Henk on stage to do it next time Nightwish comes to the Netherlands for a show, She emphatically agreed....unfortunately COVID has pushed it back, but it will hopefully happen some day in the near future.
The whole Band is Finnish apart from, Floor who is Dutch and Troy who is British. I'm not aware of any live performance of this song with Floor and the Band, Beste Zangers is the only one I know of where she sings it..
Boys! Your audio is great! But why was your video less than one inch big? Full screen of y'all...it actually took me a minute to find where the sound was coming from!
Marko Hietala is a total rock star! Classically trained guitarist, accomplished bassist, successful songwriter and fantastic vocalist!
We're just messing around and trying some new things out :) Marko is from another universe!
@@beardsreact9246 Please, check his latest outputs. e.g. Mika Jaakkola's Soita from Nov 2021. People are telling that they miss Marko but he has not disappeared, he is just doing new things.
@@beardsreact9246 When he starts singing...isn't it kinda like (weird analogy...) comfort food? He just makes us (well, me) feel like, he's got this, everyone relax!
Glad you knew about the tiny video! Experiment away! I do like the new chairs...
Tarja4Evr ❤️❤️❤️
Marko was the star of this performance.
I'm a real Floor fan but this performance with Tarja is great and Marko kills it..he's my hero🤘
The Greatest Show on Earth is a MUST for you and everybody. There are live version from Wembley and from Tampere, Finland. They are both great but I would prefer you to react to the Tampere version since it's the band on their home ground Finland.
Sabaton Christmas true…. Great Song…
Is there a video ?
My personal favorite Nightwish singer is Floor BUT I think this song fits Tarya a little better. Not taking anything away from the Floor version but when I see someone post a reaction to this version I have to watch it, the other one not so much. For almost anything else, it's Floor all the way.
More Tarja? Wishmaster, same consert, just dynamite💥!
The poet and the pendulum has to do with Tarja and the episode of her resignation. According to Tuomas, "The poet and the pendulum" was the way he found to deal with the depression after Tarja's departure. The band, and especially Tuomas, received a lot of hatred from all over the world. They lost a lot of fans. I'm going to summarize the story for you to understand why people's reaction was so negative. Tarja's resignation was a very dramatic episode. The relationship between her and the band had been bad for some time, so at the end of 2004 Tarja decided to tell the band that she would leave. The idea was to record one last album and go on a farewell tour. She wanted to announce her decision to the public and prepare fans for the vocalist change, however, Tuomas convinced her not to do so at the time. It turns out that, after that meeting, the band planned a public firing on the sly. The group wrote a letter of resignation full of attacks to Tarja and her husband. They delivered this letter to Tarja at the end of the "End of an era" show and posted it on the band's website the next day. It was a scandal. In response, Tarja wrote a letter but did not attack the band. She also held a press conference to respond better to the group's accusations. Her husband also spoke. He answered more than 150 questions from fans around the world and posted the answers on the internet. Given the reports that were brought and other available records, including videos and documentaries, a large part of the fan base revolted against the band. Faced with criticism from different sides, Tuomas fell into a depression and wrote "The poet and the pendulum" as a way of dealing with the situation. Some say that Tuomas suffered from unrequited love for Tarja. This feeling would have been the fuel for the composition of some songs.The question of Tuomas' love for Tarja is actually an old theory of fans. This theory was built even before Tarja's dismissal, and is based on old interviews (see this one, for example: ruclips.net/video/gt0haAiGbHo/видео.html) and on the lyrics that Tuomas used to write. The idea of the existence of unrequited love was strengthened when Marcelo himself (Tarja's husband) spoke about the subject in the responses he gave to fans. The depression itself and the song "The poet and the pendulum" can, in theory, be read as a reflection of this love drama. Regardless of whether this theory about Tuomas is true or not, the fact is that bringing internal issues to the public was the worst choice. A lot of the band's past has been brought up and no one has come out unscathed. Because of the scandal, Tarja lost some fans and contracts for her solo career. On the other hand, the band also lost fans and had little-known events brought to a wider audience. For example, Tarja suffered an attempted sexual abuse in the middle of a concert in Guadalajara in 2000. At the time, the band continued playing as if nothing had happened, even after Tarja left the stage along with the criminal and the security guards. There are videos of the episode here on RUclips. Later, after Tarja left, the band itself mentioned the event in its official biography. The way the band decided to fire Tarja and the facts of the past that were brought to public knowledge infuriated many fans. To get a sense of how big the fan base was in the past, look at the number of views of the first videos with Anette ("Bye, bye, beautiful" and "Amaranth"). These numbers are representative of the fan base situation at the end of Tarja's period and beginning of Anette. The first album with Anette was the band's first album ever released with RUclips ever running. We were all curious to know who the new singer was and what she sounded like. Unfortunately Anette didn't please a large part of the original fan base, which also contributed to the band losing more fans. Anette and Floor helped to attract a different audience and reconfigure the fan base. Some old fans have returned with the entry of Floor. She is nothing new to us. For example, I've known her since her first band, After Forever. Here are some sources:
Resignation letter written by the band: nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Tarja_Turunen
Tarja's press conference after the dismissal, in full:
ruclips.net/video/ATDFinGZ8D8/видео.html
Marcelo's detailed response to questions sended by Nightwish fans at the dismissal
epoque: www.tuomasholopainen.fora.pl/wywiady-artykuly,29/odpowiedzi-marcelo-na-pytania-fanow-czerwiec-2006,455.html
Letter written by Tarja: nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_from_Tarja_Turunen
A snippet from the book "Once Upon a Nightwish" detailing the abuse incident -
fromwishestoeternity.tumblr.com/post/111177476493/alfaangel-i-just-put-together-some-facts-about/amp
The video of the abuse incident: ruclips.net/video/3bj4h1807kY/видео.html
Sooo Goood! Please enlarge the screen so your viewers can enjoy it better. Thank you.
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Hey beards, you always slay!
But could be we have your take on Manowars Warriors of the World United :) LIVE!
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Marko has said that with Tarja and Anette he had to be careful that his voice did not overpower theirs (drown them out), but that with Floor he never has to worry about it.
That’s not true. He obviously never held back with Tarja. He was talking about just Annette.
Here’s a fan cam example of how Tarja sings over Marco, and not toned down after being edited. ruclips.net/video/zez00dc4HMs/видео.html
@@nicholew350 Only an idiot can think Marko or any other pop/rock singer can overpower Tarja . Tarja's vocals are open, have core , and she projects what means the sound is 2-3 x bigger in volume . And no matter how heavily he ( or Floor, or Anette)pushes , the sound is not more than a few decibels bigger ,in addition it gets an ugly donkey- like color. Nightwishers do talk a lot of rubbish 😉
@@MrRoziuke I don’t know if I would call them Nightwishers.
@@nicholew350 Whoever 😉. I don't believe Marko said such a nonsense even about Anette , 'cause every schoolboy/schoolgirl knows that insignificant difference in volume between Marco&Anette/Floor is very easily equalized by sound technicians.
The contrast between Tarja and Marko's vocals can not be matched. I understand you are both huge Floor fans and that is fine, but let's face it, this is the perfect Tarja/Marko song.
Research the Poet and Pendulum before reacting to it, then react to Tarja's song "Diva" which is her side of the story. Always remember, there are 2 sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
Sorry fans of Hank Port and Floor version but this is the ultimate version of Phantom of the Opera, Marko kills it as Phantom and to me Tarja's operatic voice is more suitable for this song
Totally agreed! All rise!!
I agree. I felt that they, Port and Jansen, were artificial, forced in that one. It was missing the fluency of this NW version.
All of them are Finnish.
Floor has not done this song with Nightwish yet , this show is from 2005 her last show with the band NOTE : your video is really small & hard to see maybe do an adjustment on size
hey! Your beard is starting to look a little like Marko's? It just needs 5 or 6 more inches of growth. In this performance the entire band is Finnish. Floor has not done this with Nightwish. There are a few songs (operatic ones) that are the iconic songs from Tarja. Floor has great respect and usually leaves those to her.
Tarja is the number one !!
The whole band is Finnish.
Please make the video bigger!
Usually I tend to like the Floor versions a bit more (with some exceptions for both, Tarja and Anette), because with her voice or small changes they make live with her the songs have a bit more oomph. And I also tend to like Floor's operatic singing style a bit more since she rarely goes full on opera (but when she does 🤯), her voice almost always keeps a lighter tone. And I like that when I wanna listen to more than one or two songs, because the full on operatic tone starts to get a bit much for me (just personal taste; before Tarja and Nightwish I couldn't stand it at all). But for me this one is perfect as it is with Tarja and Marko (have to admit though that a Nightwish song in which Marko just sings one word usually makes it to my favorites immediately 😁).
And still..after hearing Floor with Henk (another version I love) all I wanted was hearing Floor and Marko sing this song together. As much as I love Tarja in this, Marko and Floor are just perfect together and I was (still am) so curious about how they would sound. And surprisingly I don't even think I would like it more, I just wanna hear it so bad because I think that would be perfect too. And it wouldn't hurt to have another awesome version of my first favorite Nightwish song.
Oh and for me there is a long list of "you have to listen to that". Trying to think of a short version. With Anette: Slow, Love, Slow (fits her voice perfectly and there is even a good live version on RUclips somewhere; sadly not many good live recordings with her on the platform), Rest Calm and Sahara (both studio) and of course Scaretale. There is a cool fan made video with live footage and scenes of the Imaginaerum movie. One of my all time favorities is Planet Hell, I almost don't care which female lead sings it, but I like the video with Anette because of how goofy the guys are in it. And pretty much the whole Human Nature album (favorites being Tribal and Endlessness). I really tried the "short" thing... failed..
Here all of them are finnish. Hahahahha
Tarja was extremely ill the day of this performance. She couldn’t even speak that morning, and her doctor told her to cancel the show. Luckily, she didn’t, considering what happened afterwards. There are other versions on RUclips where she doesn’t get drowned out bc she wasn’t sick. Now, when Floor does it with Henk, the band will tone it down a bit. They’ve toned down all of the old Tarja songs. And, regarding TPATP, it’s a great song, but Toumas caused all of that drama himself. He was more concerned about ruining Tarja’s solo career, than being professional. A lot of the stuff in the open letter has been debunked. If you’re going to research and get into all of this drama, you should react to Ever Dream from End of an Era. It is rumored that Toumas wrote that song about Tarja. You can see him getting very emotional after Tarja sings the first chorus. There is so much history that the new fan base tries to erase. It’s extremely sad. Not a lot of NW fans watch reaction videos. The ones that do, are usually new fans that found them from either Beste Zangers, or a reaction video. They are a small minority of the fan base. They will have you thinking that NW is more popular than ever. They are not. Their popularity has dwindled quite a bit since the first Annette album. And, the majority of fans are not hardcore Floor fans. Most fans have been around since the beginning and listen to all three singers. The newer fans have pushed the old fans away from reaction videos. It’s gotten better, but they used to downvote all Tarja reaction videos, and if a reactor liked a Tarja version of a song, they would freak out in the comments. They have made many reactors quit reacting. Some have just apologized and stuck to only reacting to Floor. Most, are terrified to criticize her at all. But, these are the loud minority. They don’t represent the fan base as a whole.
Well said. And one needs to remember two other factors to be remembered: the development of the sound engineering and social media - e.g. RUclips was released only in 2005. In Tarja's era the music was not equally get-at-able as it is now.
I don't think Tuomas or the other band members involved in her departure are the real problem per se. It's people like you who, till this date, can't handle the drama and thus creating "unverifiable facts" and "rumors" that fit their narrative to make it more bearable for themselves and subsequently putting Tarja on an pedestal, forgetting she and her partner were part of the problem. They had their reasons to fire her, which all of us don't know about to its full extent. I wonder what will happen to you if you encounter major catastrophies in your own life. I don't like to see you crumble if that happens. All I would like to say to you and those others who suffer from the same delusions: "Grow up and move on". This behaviour is just dispicable.
@@bomaverick5520 I think it was the both parties, with different point of views and different... manners could be the right word. We usually tolerate even quite vulgar behaviour if we have been in that circle long enough. When something changes in our life, we start to see things from a new perspective and move on. What comes to TH, I am not surprised that he reacted so strongly to the change. It was good for both parties to get out from a situation without other solution. That "drama" was also "marketer's wet dream" - "everything is fine" is flat, drama sells.
@@bomaverick5520 People like me? I’m not the one telling these guys to research before reacting to The Poet and the Pendulum. That’s the only reason I mention any of it. I said, if they’re going to get into all of the drama, might as well get the old fan bases point of view too. The fact that people think they need to do research before reacting to it, is stupid. No one put Tarja on a pedestal. It’s just the truth. A lot of the things in the letter have been debunked. I never said I was against the firing, just the way they fired her and tried to ruin her solo career. That’s also a fact.
This is Taryas song dude not Floors.
I cannot understand the comments about "coming for Tarja, and staying for Marko" (or something like that, usually several). I thought people are coming for the band.
- I am not sure whether those comments are showing the eagerness to reduce Tarja's input, or just because people are already expecting such a high quality performance from her that they sort of ignore it like "we knew she will be damn good so nothing new here". True that Marko is great but that is what one can expect also from him.
It’s new fans trying to diminish Tarja. You see this same comment on every phantom reaction. Multiple times on the same video actually. It’s most likely bots. Either, Floor, or NW, has hired them. But, they are out to make Tarja look bad and make sure no one likes, or reacts to her anymore.
@@nicholew350 I think that hardcore fans are capable of acting like that by themselves, alone. When they see somebody to write something, they start to repeat it. (For example, if there is a reaction of Islander with Marko, there is always something like "how many can say that they have FJ as back vocalist"... it becomes a boring cliché when you see it every time.) IF I was doing a promotion work for a band, I would put some people to act as patreons. - What I can understand is that if somebody has learnt about NW first with Floor, for him/her the current era is the only one. What I cannot understand is why they even bother to listen to the performances from Tarja's era.
@@osk9013 They have a weird obsession with Tarja and it’s very strange.
No, there is no version of Nightwish with Floor and Marko and there will probably never be one because Marko is no longer in the band.
Both ladies did well (and Marko kills it), but gents, this song belongs to Sarah Brightman. :D
Well, Andrew Lloyd Webber himself has said this is his favorite version of this song.
Unfortunately no Floor Nightwish version exists of this. And good job noticing that Tarja do gets drown a bit by the band. And well Anette was not great live but did some very nice recordings like "Eva" and "Meadows of Heaven".
After the concert ended, she was fired. Now do the research for "The Poet and the Pendulum"
floor sing opera by schoemaker
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Markogasm! You came for Tarja but were overrun by Marko!
BTW reacting next time to TPATP would show a feeling for perfect timing from you: that song is the direct result of what happened after this show: Tarja was kicked out of the band, leaving the whole NW army and even Finland distracted. Drama sometimes creates art.