James Cameron said it best when it comes to the ATS: It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead!
@@ALifeAfterLayoffat least when time I submitted my job app that had some kind of security clearance and then 5 minutes later I get a message telling me that rejected my app. Several years earlier I applied to a job with the federal government that took a very lengthy background check for months till I told them to call off the app.
Thank you for this. I've redone my resume 5 times now (literally) due to thinking that the ATS keeps rejecting me. Thus far it hasn't helped as I've applied to over 100 places now and gotten zero interviews.
I was laid off at the end of Jan. We had the full 45 day consultation period (England) to go through. I have tried applying for new job’s since the beginning of the year. I’m frankly sick of Indeed! And the ATS systems out there. To get an employer to respond is like gold dust!
In 3 weeks, I had just 2 interviews. One I borked (I'll be honest), and another _they_ borked (deceitful job description for a crummy contract job). So many black holes otherwise...
In the job hiring process I've already wasted ENOUGH time with those online job assessment questionnaires that can almost automatically reject me after filling all of it out. Additionally when I've been on some in person interviews that were over an hour away such as in the city only to find out that they're "not hiring at this time" or "we'll call you in 3 weeks" and never actually call you, sometimes with the employer ghosting you and unable to reach them when you try calling them as they either blocked your number or get a message telling you "this is a non-working number, goodbye."
I like your videos, but this one seems like its missing something. I have submitted over 130 resumes, have always been a top sales rep in my tech field, and I have had zero responses. Im over qualified for half of these, and nothing. And why do almost all of the rejections happen in the middle of the night? I highly doubt a person reviewed my resume at 3:42am.
It's even worse if you have either a physical or cognitive disability that you may disclose at to the recruiter or interviewer that you have one, they could easily tell you that "we're not hiring at this time" and then they ghost you. Being on the spectrum myself, I had many good qualifications along with my disability (or different ability) and that the job was in line with the major I studied in in college but they still rejected my app. I call the so called "Equal Employment Opportunity" in this country bullshit! Usually it's about who you know more than what you know for the job.
I don't agree with it kicking out felons automatically. I have a friend that got a felony when he was young for drug related things. He took classes and courses in prison for IT (network engineer). Now he is VP of Technology at a company (20 years later). He got a break and kept moving up.
Has anyone else recently struggled with application websites because you can click on the "Are you a human" checkbox, and it just keeps reloading, no matter what browser you use?
I've had some websites throw me stupid cryptic errors, but I'm techy enough to know what they meant. Like one field having over 200 characters, another field containing apostrophes made submitting go absolutely haywire... stupid stuff like that. Which I feel such trivial bugs like these should've been weeded-out back in, say, *_1995_* !?!? And I bet most of these companies have absolutely no idea how their own application processes even flow or behave (or likely using 3rd-party services)
So after getting rejected with no interview, is it okay to ask why things didn't work out? I'm looking to improve my resume if needed, it just sucks that there's no explanation why.
If you get a rejection letter be happy you got something and continue looking at job postings. If you don’t keep applying at other companies and network with other people. Either way you you’ll still be productive.
So, for the applicant it is personal (i.e. considering a job's implication on one's life) while for a company it is just risk minimizing (and I know many technical poor performers who simply had just the right brands on their CV and got hired).
As an early career professional then I should give up since there are no junior jobs for me. I can’t seem to find a company that is dead set on hiring a junior developer in this job market. If employers are being absolute on experience, pedigree, and tech stack then I am worthless at this moment in time towards business needs.
Feeling the same way. I'm "too experienced" to start over on helpdesk (honestly that would be a very desperate move for me 🤮), but then not quite qualified-enough to be, say, an IT or project manager. Yet there are listings out there desiring everything under the moon for just $11-$14/hr ... are they absolutely out of their minds!?
@@youdontknowme5969 I don't know where that may be since I live in California that pays that low of pay which you mentioned, but Walmart pays a lot more than that nationally and it doesn't require a degree. Aside from that last year before the year ended, I interviewed for a tech support role which I didn't mind taking for the time being since it is adjacent to other tech roles and got turned down and wasn't given a reason onto why, despite me interviewing in person which is rare these days. I have been having my suspicions that companies after covid absolutely want candidates to fit perfectly unto the job wish list requirements just like Cinderella's shoe and any deviation from it such as being perceived as overqualified or underqualified could be unto why I am being disqualified for roles.
Kansas, which, yes, CoL is low here, but going pay for "just an all around IT dude" like me is definitely at least double those 11-14/hr rates. I suspect postings like those are just praying on the very desperate. Even my unemployment benefits calculate to more than $14/hr 🤣
I think one early auto-reject filter that is more common than we think is to eliminate resumes with gaps in employment. Obviously not all, but some believe in this strongly.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff maybe it was only this one bank. I recently applied to a bank in the Midwest that had a required dropdown to provide a reason for leaving every job and then also a second prompt to require the applicant to provide description for each gap. It was definitely not messing around with the timeline.
An ATS has NEVER been necessary. If a company's recruitment team can't handle so much data, then fund the recruitment team to hire more people, and DON'T tell me it's not that simple. After a year of jobseeking hell, I'm done giving any benefit of the doubt to any hiring manager.
Yes, these systems are necessary, just as a CRM is necessary to a sales team or an ERP system is required for a manufacturing company. Too much data/reporting to manage effectively to do it pen/paper.
Over two decades ago when you actually had to mail in or drop off a resume, I would agree with you. One of trhe good things/bad things about technology is that it's almost too easy to apply for a job on some of these sites with a couple clicks- when many applicants are taking a shotgun approach and aren't close to being right for the role. I remember that from the early days of Monster, when I would get 200 applicants for a position I was posting for our company and 170 them weren't even in the ball park.
Yet nobody ever floats the idea of getting rid of the 'quick apply' function. Companies would rather double down on the hands-off approach that technology offers, essentially throwing a problem on top of an existing problem.
Been laid off for just 3 weeks now and I'm already tired of all this* *I mean "all of this" as in the whole mind game of looking for new work, not your channel 😇 I NEED TO STAY BUSY 😭
I applied for a job as an EA at News media organization, I previously worked for 14 years at another highly reputable news organization, within 24hrs of applying I received the automatic rejection email. The role was supporting the COO, I supported the CMO at my previous company for 9.5 of my 14 years there. Did the recruiter or system even look at my resume?
I get what you mean here. So far as I can tell, the only reliable way to "beat" the ATS is the same way the owner's nephew does: you have to know the right people. But how do you do this? Well, here's a few tips from a random person on the internet. (1) Social networks exist outside the internet. Explore them for a more meaningful connection. I.e. libraries, churches, your National Guard unit. Basically any social club whose primary mean of function IS NOT to get a job. That doesn't mean you join a social club to look for a job, it means use your existing social clubs to help you find one. (2) The worst time to buy a car is when you need one. That goes doubly true for a job. Even if you're happy with your current job, never get out of the habit of looking. (3) find good content such as this channel, and avoid paying for advice you can get for free. Cheers.
I like the way you think. Some of these applications take 30 minutes plus to fill out and it seems like a needle in the haystack. And contrary to what he Brian says, I *did* get rejection email about 10 years ago that I received within 2-3 minutes of filling out an online application. I agree when he says it's rare, but it does happen.
@@chicagodan1981 It's beyond ridiculous anymore, in so many ways. My step-daughter just graduated with a STEM degree and applied to work in a lab for $17 USD an hour - not a "forever job" obviously, but they made her go through 3-4 interviews before they offered her the job. Give me a break, people can make that or more at McDonald's and get hired on the spot when they turn in an application. Some people are just making up busy work to justify their positions, I guess- and make the process all the more exhausting.
Question, does the ATS system mainly focus on information you put into the job application lines or does it also look at the actual resume? (For instance, if I apply directly, they make me fill out all the information, despite giving them the resume) In other words, does the ATS system just go off of the information that I input into the fields that they want completed or does it also look at my actual resume as well?
I have tried multiple approaches with services like Jobscan, Kick Resume, and several other resume services to get through this system. After a year and half, still cannot even get an interview for jobs I would be exceptional at. Is it just a bad resume, to much experience, lack of education, my age...I don't know. I am approaching the end of my financial rope. I can only imagine all the people in the same boat who need help and cannot figure out the right formula.
Those sites are a waste of money. Focus on jobs where you're already a good fit, and make sure your resume shows it clearly and concisely. Remove all fluff. Some overthink things, just keep it simple and be consistent (and leverage some targeted/opportunistic networking while you're at it.)
Here's a question (maybe you've answered it before) - or anyone else in the comments who knows. Is anyone going to see your actual resume? OR does the ATS just extract the relevant data as fields, and your actual resume that you worked on the layout for is never looked at?
I got a related question: why do so many ATS systems suck? Examples: A: Multiple-choice Field of the previous employer: Manufacturing Subfield: Chemistry Role: ? (The drop-down menu gives me only jobs in IT! WHY????) Bonus points: The drop-down menu goes for some reason only from AAA to AZ, but nothing is displayed from B onwards. B: Uploading CV After uploading the CV all data is scrambled. Your house number is suddenly your phone number and it can't even see that you can speak English, despite the CV being in English, and in the skill section English is obviously mentioned, along with other languages, which it completely ignored. You delete all that BS and fill it out manually and it takes you the better part of an hour. Then you click on submit and it points to some field you didn't fill out, but actually, it refused the format of your phone number. You change it and click on submit again and the entire website freezes up and you have to do all the F-ing work again! Naturally, there's no way of contacting the company directly, be it by phone or mail, and there's no field where you can write about the things you couldn't answer truthfully, thanks to a buggy multiple-choice section...
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James Cameron said it best when it comes to the ATS: It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead!
😂😂😂
Bryan: "Come with me if you want a job." 😁
-Can you stop it? -
I dont know... With these resumes...I dont know...
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I sometimes see weird times when ATS rejection emails come through. Like 1AM Sunday for a job that's in my time zone. It's wild.
Some are set up on timers (the companies I worked for always set it for 48 hours after assigning the status)
@@ALifeAfterLayoffat least when time I submitted my job app that had some kind of security clearance and then 5 minutes later I get a message telling me that rejected my app. Several years earlier I applied to a job with the federal government that took a very lengthy background check for months till I told them to call off the app.
Thank you for this. I've redone my resume 5 times now (literally) due to thinking that the ATS keeps rejecting me. Thus far it hasn't helped as I've applied to over 100 places now and gotten zero interviews.
me too
I was laid off at the end of Jan. We had the full 45 day consultation period (England) to go through. I have tried applying for new job’s since the beginning of the year.
I’m frankly sick of Indeed! And the ATS systems out there.
To get an employer to respond is like gold dust!
In 3 weeks, I had just 2 interviews. One I borked (I'll be honest), and another _they_ borked (deceitful job description for a crummy contract job). So many black holes otherwise...
And I'm already sick of LinkedIn---it's such a discombulated douchy cesspool
The only instance where I enjoy competing against the machine is when I play PC/video games in single-player mode.
In the job hiring process I've already wasted ENOUGH time with those online job assessment questionnaires that can almost automatically reject me after filling all of it out. Additionally when I've been on some in person interviews that were over an hour away such as in the city only to find out that they're "not hiring at this time" or "we'll call you in 3 weeks" and never actually call you, sometimes with the employer ghosting you and unable to reach them when you try calling them as they either blocked your number or get a message telling you "this is a non-working number, goodbye."
I like your videos, but this one seems like its missing something. I have submitted over 130 resumes, have always been a top sales rep in my tech field, and I have had zero responses. Im over qualified for half of these, and nothing. And why do almost all of the rejections happen in the middle of the night? I highly doubt a person reviewed my resume at 3:42am.
0:47 Take a look at the statistic “Number of Days Since First Approval” = 278. That about sums up the job market today.
It's even worse if you have either a physical or cognitive disability that you may disclose at to the recruiter or interviewer that you have one, they could easily tell you that "we're not hiring at this time" and then they ghost you. Being on the spectrum myself, I had many good qualifications along with my disability (or different ability) and that the job was in line with the major I studied in in college but they still rejected my app. I call the so called "Equal Employment Opportunity" in this country bullshit! Usually it's about who you know more than what you know for the job.
Never disclose any information about your disability during your interview or application. Employers will auto reject you.
I don't agree with it kicking out felons automatically. I have a friend that got a felony when he was young for drug related things. He took classes and courses in prison for IT (network engineer). Now he is VP of Technology at a company (20 years later). He got a break and kept moving up.
Has anyone else recently struggled with application websites because you can click on the "Are you a human" checkbox, and it just keeps reloading, no matter what browser you use?
I've had some websites throw me stupid cryptic errors, but I'm techy enough to know what they meant. Like one field having over 200 characters, another field containing apostrophes made submitting go absolutely haywire... stupid stuff like that. Which I feel such trivial bugs like these should've been weeded-out back in, say, *_1995_* !?!? And I bet most of these companies have absolutely no idea how their own application processes even flow or behave (or likely using 3rd-party services)
Tldr : the job market is f***** !
And dating apps are broken!
So after getting rejected with no interview, is it okay to ask why things didn't work out? I'm looking to improve my resume if needed, it just sucks that there's no explanation why.
If you get a rejection letter be happy you got something and continue looking at job postings. If you don’t keep applying at other companies and network with other people. Either way you you’ll still be productive.
So, for the applicant it is personal (i.e. considering a job's implication on one's life) while for a company it is just risk minimizing (and I know many technical poor performers who simply had just the right brands on their CV and got hired).
As an early career professional then I should give up since there are no junior jobs for me. I can’t seem to find a company that is dead set on hiring a junior developer in this job market. If employers are being absolute on experience, pedigree, and tech stack then I am worthless at this moment in time towards business needs.
Feeling the same way. I'm "too experienced" to start over on helpdesk (honestly that would be a very desperate move for me 🤮), but then not quite qualified-enough to be, say, an IT or project manager. Yet there are listings out there desiring everything under the moon for just $11-$14/hr ... are they absolutely out of their minds!?
@@youdontknowme5969 I don't know where that may be since I live in California that pays that low of pay which you mentioned, but Walmart pays a lot more than that nationally and it doesn't require a degree. Aside from that last year before the year ended, I interviewed for a tech support role which I didn't mind taking for the time being since it is adjacent to other tech roles and got turned down and wasn't given a reason onto why, despite me interviewing in person which is rare these days. I have been having my suspicions that companies after covid absolutely want candidates to fit perfectly unto the job wish list requirements just like Cinderella's shoe and any deviation from it such as being perceived as overqualified or underqualified could be unto why I am being disqualified for roles.
Kansas, which, yes, CoL is low here, but going pay for "just an all around IT dude" like me is definitely at least double those 11-14/hr rates. I suspect postings like those are just praying on the very desperate. Even my unemployment benefits calculate to more than $14/hr 🤣
I think one early auto-reject filter that is more common than we think is to eliminate resumes with gaps in employment. Obviously not all, but some believe in this strongly.
I am not aware of any filters that screen this.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff maybe it was only this one bank. I recently applied to a bank in the Midwest that had a required dropdown to provide a reason for leaving every job and then also a second prompt to require the applicant to provide description for each gap. It was definitely not messing around with the timeline.
An ATS has NEVER been necessary. If a company's recruitment team can't handle so much data, then fund the recruitment team to hire more people, and DON'T tell me it's not that simple. After a year of jobseeking hell, I'm done giving any benefit of the doubt to any hiring manager.
Yes, these systems are necessary, just as a CRM is necessary to a sales team or an ERP system is required for a manufacturing company. Too much data/reporting to manage effectively to do it pen/paper.
Didn't pen & paper work well enough for the last fifty years of the twentieth century?
Over two decades ago when you actually had to mail in or drop off a resume, I would agree with you. One of trhe good things/bad things about technology is that it's almost too easy to apply for a job on some of these sites with a couple clicks- when many applicants are taking a shotgun approach and aren't close to being right for the role. I remember that from the early days of Monster, when I would get 200 applicants for a position I was posting for our company and 170 them weren't even in the ball park.
Yet nobody ever floats the idea of getting rid of the 'quick apply' function. Companies would rather double down on the hands-off approach that technology offers, essentially throwing a problem on top of an existing problem.
@martinjohnson1534 That's a fair point
Been laid off for just 3 weeks now and I'm already tired of all this*
*I mean "all of this" as in the whole mind game of looking for new work, not your channel 😇
I NEED TO STAY BUSY 😭
I can beat the ATS but get rejected for little experience and sometimes too much experience in the interview process.
Hello Bryan.. Kindly requesting you to make a video on “Revenge quitting” if possible.
I applied for a job as an EA at News media organization, I previously worked for 14 years at another highly reputable news organization, within 24hrs of applying I received the automatic rejection email. The role was supporting the COO, I supported the CMO at my previous company for 9.5 of my 14 years there. Did the recruiter or system even look at my resume?
I get what you mean here. So far as I can tell, the only reliable way to "beat" the ATS is the same way the owner's nephew does: you have to know the right people. But how do you do this? Well, here's a few tips from a random person on the internet.
(1) Social networks exist outside the internet. Explore them for a more meaningful connection. I.e. libraries, churches, your National Guard unit. Basically any social club whose primary mean of function IS NOT to get a job. That doesn't mean you join a social club to look for a job, it means use your existing social clubs to help you find one.
(2) The worst time to buy a car is when you need one. That goes doubly true for a job. Even if you're happy with your current job, never get out of the habit of looking.
(3) find good content such as this channel, and avoid paying for advice you can get for free.
Cheers.
#2 is so very true.
I experienced both (vehicle and job) within 6 months 😭
Thanks for the heads up. I'm leaning towards polishing my online presence and letting recruiters come to me. Applying seems like a waste.
I like the way you think. Some of these applications take 30 minutes plus to fill out and it seems like a needle in the haystack. And contrary to what he Brian says, I *did* get rejection email about 10 years ago that I received within 2-3 minutes of filling out an online application. I agree when he says it's rare, but it does happen.
That's the much better way to get noticed.
@@kevinmach730you forgot to mention that the haystack was on fire. Because that’s what it feels like lol
@@chicagodan1981 It's beyond ridiculous anymore, in so many ways. My step-daughter just graduated with a STEM degree and applied to work in a lab for $17 USD an hour - not a "forever job" obviously, but they made her go through 3-4 interviews before they offered her the job. Give me a break, people can make that or more at McDonald's and get hired on the spot when they turn in an application. Some people are just making up busy work to justify their positions, I guess- and make the process all the more exhausting.
Question, does the ATS system mainly focus on information you put into the job application lines or does it also look at the actual resume? (For instance, if I apply directly, they make me fill out all the information, despite giving them the resume)
In other words, does the ATS system just go off of the information that I input into the fields that they want completed or does it also look at my actual resume as well?
It sucks that you can’t get passed the algorithm and ATS System on dating apps and the job application process
I have tried multiple approaches with services like Jobscan, Kick Resume, and several other resume services to get through this system. After a year and half, still cannot even get an interview for jobs I would be exceptional at. Is it just a bad resume, to much experience, lack of education, my age...I don't know. I am approaching the end of my financial rope. I can only imagine all the people in the same boat who need help and cannot figure out the right formula.
Those sites are a waste of money. Focus on jobs where you're already a good fit, and make sure your resume shows it clearly and concisely. Remove all fluff. Some overthink things, just keep it simple and be consistent (and leverage some targeted/opportunistic networking while you're at it.)
Here's a question (maybe you've answered it before) - or anyone else in the comments who knows. Is anyone going to see your actual resume? OR does the ATS just extract the relevant data as fields, and your actual resume that you worked on the layout for is never looked at?
Does it automatically reject based on the expected salary range if you put an amount above the range?
Or if you want a career change from office worker to garbage truck driver or janitor to data entry
I got a related question: why do so many ATS systems suck?
Examples:
A: Multiple-choice
Field of the previous employer: Manufacturing
Subfield: Chemistry
Role: ? (The drop-down menu gives me only jobs in IT! WHY????)
Bonus points: The drop-down menu goes for some reason only from AAA to AZ, but nothing is displayed from B onwards.
B: Uploading CV
After uploading the CV all data is scrambled. Your house number is suddenly your phone number and it can't even see that you can speak English, despite the CV being in English, and in the skill section English is obviously mentioned, along with other languages, which it completely ignored.
You delete all that BS and fill it out manually and it takes you the better part of an hour. Then you click on submit and it points to some field you didn't fill out, but actually, it refused the format of your phone number. You change it and click on submit again and the entire website freezes up and you have to do all the F-ing work again!
Naturally, there's no way of contacting the company directly, be it by phone or mail, and there's no field where you can write about the things you couldn't answer truthfully, thanks to a buggy multiple-choice section...