Hi from a retired Englishman living in France. I'm gradually working my way through all your staircase formwork videos to help plan my own internal concrete staircase. Thank you for taking time out of your work to make these videos. It's really appreciated.
keep up with the content .I ve been working on form work last 4 month on the Goldcoast. You are the single one who really did help with yours video thanks mate
Yep! Nice job brother! Im setting up steps between to block walls. Tricky!! Last one I did I used shims for the sides of the step and the lay down support 2x4 you also applied in your video. I like your way better. Thanks!
We usually don't strip and finish the faces here due to hot dry climate. We strip the following day. If vibrated correctly there is no need to trowel the faces. These stairs in the video were exposed aggregate finish anyway, so the concreters painted a retardant on the formwork. Strip following day and wash off.
I have other videos which show in more detail. This video was to show speed using my method when you know what you’re doing. I’m pretty sure slope is mentioned in this video or you will see it in my other videos. All external stairs I do have slope. I mark the stairs as normal but when I cut my rises, I cut the rise around 7mm -10mm shorter than what is marked. This creates the slope.
It’s easier faster and more accurate nailing ply cleats to the ply string. Because the wall is hollow bricks you have to drill and fix every individual riser. You do get very quick at this method but my string method is far quicker. I did it for about 10years for each method and string is much better.
I want to redo my front porch with CMU's and concrete steps. I can figure out the layout etc. I wanted to know how to anchor the forms for the steps to the CMUs on one side. What type anchors did you use?
What are those black boards you nailed to the risers? And where can I get me some? And I saw you angled the bottom of the risers… what angle was that angle, or does it matter?
Form ply. It's plywood with a phenolic resin coating. I cut them 30deg. Most people do 45deg but it is harder on the saw and more likely to cut you when handling. 30deg lasts longer too over lots of uses. 45deg more likely to snap off.
Hey mate, I may have missed it but the small gap underneath the stringer between the riser and wall, is that ever an issue for getting the tread out or no? Awesome work man 👍
I am a fitter/machinist by trade and worked alongside with concreters that just stomp around destroying the hard work of the formwork carpenters, many times I've witnessed formwork fail due to overloading and failure from these types of structures mainly on large projects. Now they use steel to take out that possibility of failure. Steel isn't fundamentally much different to timber but definately more robust, longer lasting so less waste, with identical finnishes. Good work though. Cheers
Many ways to skin a cat. I used to own some aluminium panels for suspended slabs. But for these small jobs I need the flexibility timber provides. But yes on big jobs something like peri or meva or doka is much better if you can afford it!
Hi Tony, watch my video game changing tools for formwork. I go into some derail about pulling nail gun nails. I also have a video coming on stripping stairs, basically I can strip nail gun nail stairs about 3-4 times faster than screws and just as fast as normal bullet head nails. the key is nail placement and leaving the heads out.
Thanks for the video! Going to attempt this soon.. Also NEED to know what those on your ankles are called!? I know exactly what they are for as I lust for a pair myself, Just never knew they existed! Thanks in advance.
haha they're hard to find the correct names for! gaiters or sock protectors, sock covers. At the end of the day when I take my boots off there is a massive difference in how clean my socks are which is great for keeping my wife happier!
Must have missed the point, I suppose. Formwork is a different trade completely to concrete. My videos are about Formwork. Sorry for the disappointment.
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 i guess i didn't understand what "installing concrete stairs" meant. maybe if it were "11 minutes to install concrete stair framework", but the process still took more than 11 minutes.
I fix the string because it’s faster and more accurate nailing each riser to a ply string rather than drilling into hollow bricks. It’s about 30mm above
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 Face screw a 2x4 perpendicular and to the top edge of the dry side of each face board...no bow on the bottom face of at least four consecutive 7in x 7ft wide steps and plenty of clearance to finish treads...for shorter steps screw a 2x2 steel angle across the top of each face board- gives more room to finish.
That's you video is about, how much concrete stairs wood forms you can install by 8 hours day work ,that's what is all about? I counting and look like 38.15 per hour and 305.2 per 8 hours concrete stairs wood forms you can install . This is what you doing all day I mean that how you work look like? Nice I like it. Don't forget install each way rebars #4 and nosing bar on individual concrete steps and anchors in on both sides of concrete walls with using epoxy.
I suppose so, only thing that slows you down on bigger stairs is climbing up them and your body. We don't epoxy into the walls on these, better to keep stairs separated from building. The guys usually just install mesh on these, it's not high traffic.
Soooooo many questions, yeah. You were fast but why were you doing what you were doing. How did you come with the calculations? What determined the riser's, the run? Why cleats? What was the purpose? So many more questions
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 understood THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEOS!!! But which video in particular? Only cause I'm time conscious, working and side hustling to make ends meet, which we all are. Otherwise I would view them all. But that would be rather time consuming.
If it was red it is the 185mm Milwaukee. love it. Just wish they made a 210mm saw. 185mm blade doesn't quite cut through our timbers. About 2mm short! If the saw was black and green it is my festool hk85.
no, retardant painted onto faces, stripped following day and washed to give exposed aggregate finish. We do not do wet face here, we use film faced ply and good vibration and acheive perfect finish this way. I will post a video asap. I am learning that in the US everything seems to be wet faced. I personally think it looks better the way we do it, ill have to try do a comparison video or something to demonstrate.
Impressive work! Only one question… It looks like the riser (face) board stops short of the total span between the walls, to slow for the width of the long board that you fastened at an incline to the walls. It looks like it will leave around 3/4 ‘s of an inch on either side. (Thickness of the board that you used) Doesn’t that add labor to the finishing process where the step face meets the wall? Other than that, very nice carpentry. Best of luck!
no there is no gap, riser finishes tight to wall. these steps will be exposed aggregate too so it is ok for me not to have a smooth finish as the exposed agg finish hides any imperfections. But definately no gap on the wall between riser and wall.
Probably more haha. I have too many tools but you know what, after doing this for 17plus years, having so many "toys" to use and finding different was to do the same job is what keeps me coming in each day and still having the motivation. Most guys just have a skill saw, hammer drill and a level, I used to bag anyone who had more than that, if someone came on my job with a square I would throw it in the trash! Not anymore, tools have come so far, it makes the day much more enjoyable in my opinion.
Thanks mate, I picked that up on first watch, unfortunately you have to take down a video and re-upload from scratch to fix. Takes too long. It's my wifes fault anyway, she is supposed to do the spell checking!!
Hi from a retired Englishman living in France. I'm gradually working my way through all your staircase formwork videos to help plan my own internal concrete staircase. Thank you for taking time out of your work to make these videos. It's really appreciated.
Thank you Anthony. I think you are the first to word an acknowledgment of the time it takes to make these videos. Thankyou
keep up with the content .I ve been working on form work last 4 month on the Goldcoast. You are the single one who really did help with yours video thanks mate
Thanks
Yep! Nice job brother! Im setting up steps between to block walls. Tricky!! Last one I did I used shims for the sides of the step and the lay down support 2x4 you also applied in your video. I like your way better. Thanks!
We build a lot of stairs and this is the quickest and easiest for me
Nice work. I like that Stabila torpedo! I keep one in my belt all the time like yourself.
They're a must especially for setting up frames! Very over priced though!
Nice set up!! Great to see a real carpenter set up correctly makes it easy for the finishers to get in strip & finish the face & nose properly.
We usually don't strip and finish the faces here due to hot dry climate. We strip the following day. If vibrated correctly there is no need to trowel the faces. These stairs in the video were exposed aggregate finish anyway, so the concreters painted a retardant on the formwork. Strip following day and wash off.
Well created video, thank you from Thailand. 🙏
Thanks
Great to see a Pro.
I have a guy that does concrete.
Two different things.
Sure is
Clever and efficient, nice one! No steel which I thought was interesting. In NZ steel everywhere, maybe due to seismic activity.
Oh the concretors will slide some mesh down before they pour
Looks great. Helpful. Thank you
Thanks for watching
Love your work friend
Thanks
Just curious slope for water some rebar would help would help if explaining more of what you did hard to tell fast but not sure if correct.
I have other videos which show in more detail. This video was to show speed using my method when you know what you’re doing. I’m pretty sure slope is mentioned in this video or you will see it in my other videos. All external stairs I do have slope. I mark the stairs as normal but when I cut my rises, I cut the rise around 7mm -10mm shorter than what is marked. This creates the slope.
You dropped this 👉 👑
🤣
Good stuff brother ❤
Good stuff for watching!
Awesome video thanks Bro
No worries bro
Hi mate, may I ask why you put the stringer between the wall and the the timber? Some of that formworker just nail to the wall directly. Thank you!
It’s easier faster and more accurate nailing ply cleats to the ply string. Because the wall is hollow bricks you have to drill and fix every individual riser. You do get very quick at this method but my string method is far quicker. I did it for about 10years for each method and string is much better.
You also don’t need to cut the risers to length as accurately with the ply string.
Great videos mate. Do u have any where you have to form the sidewalls up first?
Thanks for the content
I do have some coming up, I think there is some on my instagram. instagram.com/bmformwork
Wonderful. You are efficient.
Thankyou
I want to redo my front porch with CMU's and concrete steps. I can figure out the layout etc. I wanted to know how to anchor the forms for the steps to the CMUs on one side. What type anchors did you use?
What are cmu’s?
Thanks for the video =)
Thanks for watching
Quiq and nice work. Great job!
thanks mate
Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching
What are those black boards you nailed to the risers? And where can I get me some? And I saw you angled the bottom of the risers… what angle was that angle, or does it matter?
Form ply. It's plywood with a phenolic resin coating. I cut them 30deg. Most people do 45deg but it is harder on the saw and more likely to cut you when handling. 30deg lasts longer too over lots of uses. 45deg more likely to snap off.
Hey mate, I may have missed it but the small gap underneath the stringer between the riser and wall, is that ever an issue for getting the tread out or no? Awesome work man 👍
Nope no problem at all. Just never cut it tight, about 3mm short and it slight out easy
Got some stairs coming up want a day lol
Super helpful thanks!
Thanks for watching
5:40 What are cleats? Where do i buy those in the US?
Ply pieces. We make them up
Im new to this but once you have poured the concrete how do you get the formwork on the sides out?
Pull the nails out and slide it out. I have a video on it. Takes about 5mins to strip whole staircase.
Thank you amazing video 2x6 with plywood on both ends genius definitely learned something
works great
Nice work mate 👌 loving the videos
Thanks a lot man
What did you do rest of the day?
The best question... I really don't know for what it ...
Good work
Thankyou
Thank you very much, good luck
thankyou
I am a fitter/machinist by trade and worked alongside with concreters that just stomp around destroying the hard work of the formwork carpenters, many times I've witnessed formwork fail due to overloading and failure from these types of structures mainly on large projects. Now they use steel to take out that possibility of failure.
Steel isn't fundamentally much different to timber but definately more robust, longer lasting so less waste, with identical finnishes.
Good work though.
Cheers
Many ways to skin a cat. I used to own some aluminium panels for suspended slabs. But for these small jobs I need the flexibility timber provides. But yes on big jobs something like peri or meva or doka is much better if you can afford it!
Thank you
No worries
Looks good like the nail gun good idea how's pulling them?
Hi Tony, watch my video game changing tools for formwork. I go into some derail about pulling nail gun nails. I also have a video coming on stripping stairs, basically I can strip nail gun nail stairs about 3-4 times faster than screws and just as fast as normal bullet head nails. the key is nail placement and leaving the heads out.
Thanks for the video! Going to attempt this soon.. Also NEED to know what those on your ankles are called!? I know exactly what they are for as I lust for a pair myself, Just never knew they existed! Thanks in advance.
haha they're hard to find the correct names for! gaiters or sock protectors, sock covers. At the end of the day when I take my boots off there is a massive difference in how clean my socks are which is great for keeping my wife happier!
i must have missed it. where did 11 minutes come into play?
and where was the concrete in this video? i didn't even see a little bit of it...
Must have missed the point, I suppose. Formwork is a different trade completely to concrete. My videos are about Formwork. Sorry for the disappointment.
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 i guess i didn't understand what "installing concrete stairs" meant.
maybe if it were "11 minutes to install concrete stair framework", but the process still took more than 11 minutes.
Cheers great aussie quality vid
thanks
How high above the pitch line did you fix the stringers and why?
I fix the string because it’s faster and more accurate nailing each riser to a ply string rather than drilling into hollow bricks. It’s about 30mm above
Nice
Thx
Cool 👍
Thanks
Thanks for the video. What about steel?
concretors put steel in when they pour it
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 if you have any pics with steel in the formwork please will you send them to me.
Does anyone want to know how to eliminate the bracing up the middle and still maintain bow free face boards?
I do
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 Face screw a 2x4 perpendicular and to the top edge of the dry side of each face board...no bow on the bottom face of at least four consecutive 7in x 7ft wide steps and plenty of clearance to finish treads...for shorter steps screw a 2x2 steel angle across the top of each face board- gives more room to finish.
Awesome work mate, just wondering is your stringer 18mm above stair height?
yes approx. I don't measure it, about 30mm above is good.
Did you lay rebar on the base ?.
yes but the concretors do this. usually just some mesh sheet.
¡¡ GREAT& SO FAST' !! .
Thanks
That's you video is about, how much concrete stairs wood forms you can install by 8 hours day work ,that's what is all about? I counting and look like 38.15 per hour and 305.2 per 8 hours concrete stairs wood forms you can install . This is what you doing all day I mean that how you work look like? Nice I like it. Don't forget install each way rebars #4 and nosing bar on individual concrete steps and anchors in on both sides of concrete walls with using epoxy.
I suppose so, only thing that slows you down on bigger stairs is climbing up them and your body. We don't epoxy into the walls on these, better to keep stairs separated from building. The guys usually just install mesh on these, it's not high traffic.
Whata wahash bro
I had to google wahash 🤣
Bro I love your work and your head please never stop showing your great skills btw Wahash means beast or monster in a positive way in Lebanese
Soooooo many questions, yeah. You were fast but why were you doing what you were doing. How did you come with the calculations? What determined the riser's, the run? Why cleats? What was the purpose? So many more questions
You need to watch my other videos for the answers to all those questions. Other wise this video would go for an hour and no one would watch it!
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 understood THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEOS!!! But which video in particular? Only cause I'm time conscious, working and side hustling to make ends meet, which we all are. Otherwise I would view them all. But that would be rather time consuming.
What sort of circular saw was that?
If it was red it is the 185mm Milwaukee. love it. Just wish they made a 210mm saw. 185mm blade doesn't quite cut through our timbers. About 2mm short! If the saw was black and green it is my festool hk85.
So are those not wet faced then?
no, retardant painted onto faces, stripped following day and washed to give exposed aggregate finish. We do not do wet face here, we use film faced ply and good vibration and acheive perfect finish this way. I will post a video asap. I am learning that in the US everything seems to be wet faced. I personally think it looks better the way we do it, ill have to try do a comparison video or something to demonstrate.
some guys wet face, but very few.
4:26 4:26 griffin 4:26
What’s a griffin?
Impressive work!
Only one question…
It looks like the riser (face) board stops short of the total span between the walls, to slow for the width of the long board that you fastened at an incline to the walls. It looks like it will leave around 3/4 ‘s of an inch on either side. (Thickness of the board that you used)
Doesn’t that add labor to the finishing process where the step face meets the wall?
Other than that, very nice carpentry. Best of luck!
no there is no gap, riser finishes tight to wall. these steps will be exposed aggregate too so it is ok for me not to have a smooth finish as the exposed agg finish hides any imperfections. But definately no gap on the wall between riser and wall.
He nails Packers on the ends
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😊 thanks
hank u
I try and try but I cant tell ... .Aussie or Kiwi ??
Aussie
Reo?
Gets put in by the concreters
Took 11 minutes to unload tools and materials
Probably more haha. I have too many tools but you know what, after doing this for 17plus years, having so many "toys" to use and finding different was to do the same job is what keeps me coming in each day and still having the motivation. Most guys just have a skill saw, hammer drill and a level, I used to bag anyone who had more than that, if someone came on my job with a square I would throw it in the trash! Not anymore, tools have come so far, it makes the day much more enjoyable in my opinion.
"lenght"
Thanks mate, I picked that up on first watch, unfortunately you have to take down a video and re-upload from scratch to fix. Takes too long. It's my wifes fault anyway, she is supposed to do the spell checking!!
This video is like seven minutes and you state eleven minutes in the title, I think you’re lying lol
Ha ha. 7 steps in 7 minutes then
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 If anyone did 7 steps in 7 minutes then those would be some pretty crappy looking steps lol.
Very cool video though and helpful, I do it a bit differently but I learned a few new tricks thanks to you, the trades are all about learning.