How to Serve Short with Side Spin in Table Tennis
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Amateurs players don't know how to make a short serve with many spins. Chinese coach asked the players to make a spinny serve first and then shorten the serve later. I will explain to you two types of sidespin in table tennis, and which type of short serve suits better to your playing style.
Special thanks to Jochen for the German translation.
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You are one the best Table Tennis coach on RUclips! :)
I have been struggling with attacking my 3rd balls when using the pendulum serve because it always goes to an award spot on my backhand corner. Maybe now I should be working on my step around footwork to take advantage of this placement. Thanks coach. :)
Excellent! Spinny serve FIRST, THEN shorten it!
I like this on so many levels! You say "in China, the approach is a little different.. " while what I would have said at that point "We do this very differently..." . Of course, nothing wrong with being subtle. It reminds me to take your other subtle comments much more seriously than I would if they were said in Western style.
Excellent advice! Put the energy on the side spin (not underpin, to minimize ball rising) to keep serves short!
you have the best channel of table tennis of youtube
Can you make a video about how to get more quality on a push ball? -> deeper on the table, more spin and good control. Most videos only cover the basics as far as pushing goes but I think that's very important
Yes, the push is very important. I will show you the technique later.
*Remember to explain why ZJK use 39° and Ma Long 40°/40.5° I'm very curious*
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Great video, it explains the core concept really well. However, Elijah Ng is right about pros (indeed good state level players will be already able to control spin most of the time). I think it comes down to observing your opponent and serving P or RP depending upon whether they return to your strength (be it FH or BH).
yes, it related more to the tactics and playing style. I will cover it in the next videos about the observing and the statistics in your serve.
Is Fan Zhendong a BH dominant player too Or more FH dominant?
Thank you! You are really helpful. You made me really great and I understand table tennis philosophy much better know. I have watched all your technique and tactics video. They are great. But I have not seen anything about footwork. Great coach!
Nice video, good job. It's difficult to explain with a little player on your legs, congratulations.
Thank you for your coaching. I am grateful.
Your videos are brilliant. You explain the philosophy and technique so well. Thank you for taking the time to post these videos!
thank you. I just want to share my knowledges
Very helpful information ! Thank you for uploading such a good video.
Love from India ❤️
The diagram is super helpful, now I get it.
Very good explanation. Like it a lot!
Thank you!! Greetings from Uruguay
Good knowledge.thanks you very much
Thanks. Very well explained!
Oh you're such a great TT coach and thanks a lot for sharing this one of a kind tutorial guides/tips.MORE POWER TO YOU Sir ...
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I always believe there is something special with the Chinese players use of fingers & thumb position & strength of grip as they attack the ball...is this true?
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Precious tips, as always. Great way to improve.! 💥🙏
very good
The sidespin selection makes sense if you look at the evidence, but not from a theoretical or amateur standpoint. Logically:
a) if I'm forehand oriented, then I want the ball to land to my right side, so that I can play the forehand without having to move, so I will play a serve with counterclockwise sidespin
b) if I'm backhand oriented, then I want the ball to land to my left side, so that I can play the bakchand without having to move, so I will play a serve with clockwise sidespin
In your explanation, it is precisely the other way round. I guess this is because:
- professional players move well
- and professional players don't merely think of the 3rd ball attack, but about dominating the rally after the 3rd ball.
Can you clarify?
Dieter Verhofstadt Professional players will almost always counter the spin of the serve which means
A) if your forehand dominant, you serve pendulum, the ball should come back to your backhand. However professional players willl counter the spin by hitting it towards your forehand. Thus the ball will usually come back towards your forehand or to the middle depending on how hard the spin has been countered.
B) vice-versa for backhand orientated players :)
Thanks for the answer. Still that sounds strangely self fulfilling, almost tautologic. If the purpose of the pendulum sidespin is to make the ball come to the backhand, and returner will counter this to make it go to the forehand, and this is precisely the purpose, then why not simply give in to the spin.
I think it's really about the position in the ensuing rally:
1) pendulum orients to backhand, player pivots and tries to dominate with forehand from the backhand side, towards backhand
2) reverse pendulum orients to forehand, player takes up central position and tries to dominate backhand to backhand rally, covering more space with his backhand.
But I'm not sure ... Coach?
Very good question Dieter. :)
I will answer you by a specific video.
+Dieter Verhofstadt the answer is in a video "ping sunday strategy to win"
Exactly my thoughts. I always serve counter-clockwise spin so my opponent will hit it to my forehand side of table or off the table (beginner player).
hey, you explained my question from the third ball attack video! thanks a lot man, have a great day!
Marvelous explanations Coach!!!!! Thank you so much for that!!!
You're so welcome!
thx coach.. i will use more sidespin on my serve
Could u teach us how to push deep and smash strong acurrate ball
Very nice, thanks!
coach, can you make video on how to brush the ball
Hi EmRatTinch and all here. I learn a lot with your videos. I use to do sidespin reverse pendulum serves all the time, sometimes long, sometimes short... the short ones are more difficult to me, but the opponent use to reply with a long and high ball, so I almost smash the ball in the 3er ball atack. Very good advices. But I really DONT know how to serve using pendulum. I am forehand dominant but my serve is reverse pendulum, so the opponent ball goes allways to my right...
to keep it short, you should accelerate at the moment of contact, use more of the body to serve.
Wait for my new videos about that.
Ok, very thanks, it would be great if I can do nice pendulum serves, the 2nd balls will be back to my left and I will be able to attack better, deeper... regards.
exactly!
Amazing teaching !!! Thankyou
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I'm not sure if your reasoning about why forehand players prefer pendulum, backhand prefer reverse pendulum is correct. The way I understand it is
A forehand player (Ma Long) will serve pendulum because he wants it going to his forehand(right side). The logic is that if the opponent blocks and let's the ball go with its natural spin it will be a weak shot to his left which he can attack because it is weak like in the clips. However, if a player counters his spin as they should it will almost always end up on his right side where he is more comfortable to play the point. It isn't safe for a player to try and return to his left because the angle of the spin means any error will see the ball off the table. The safest play for the return is counter spin to Ma Longs strong side
Thanks Coach! Now I get it that I have no serves understanding + what will be the return + what do in what situation.
thank you so much sir, i hope one day i will be able to use ur advice and defeat ZJK.
fast! ZJK will retire soon! Fast!
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach hahahahahahaha lol
Good luck.
¡Terrific explanation, thanks coach!
Best coach! Will the ball be shorter if you make the serve lower right?
exactly! contact the ball when the ball drops at the net height or lower.
Thank you! Wanted to be sure
Hi there,
I am learning TT in Vietnam with a VN teacher (I don't speak Vietnamese, so it's a bit slow). You are right, the first thing I learnt was spin. Spin for serves and spin for shots. What I am struggling with is how to do a short side spin serve. I always put too much power on my serves. Is it just a question of power or am I missing something?
Chris Chat its the problem of practice and acceleration. The more you accelerate in a short amount of time the shorter and spinnier the ball
I'll try this this evening. Thanks! Anh cung rat thich TT...
I don't have an serious table tennis partner
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So please can u make an video on practising alone as per chinese philosophy
yes, I will surely make a video about it. Stay tuned.
Thank you, so helpful, I agree, you are the Best
Will you make a video about serve variations in Chinese philosophy
please teach the technical aspects of backhand and forehand flick]
forehand flick, will be published on Friday night 31/03.
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Hello Coach,
could you please have a session to show couple receiving service respond performance?
Thank you,
Thank you so much :)
This was really helpful.
Nice explanation...thanks!
Please give me some tips based on Zhang jike serve please make video
Thank you very much coach..😃😃
Hi Emrat, can you help me with the details of how to add more side spin on short serve?. In this video it is like more WHY? than HOW? to do short side spin serve. Also thank you so much for your videos 😊
madan kumar Hi mate, I think the coach has given a hint - first learn how to do a really spinny serve, and then try doing it short. I have played with some players ranked at national level and the amount of spin they have in their serves is just mind boggling! I am also trying to learn since a long time how to put that much spin in my serves.
madan kumar there are only 2 tips, contact the ball with the head of your racket, and give it the strongest, fastest wrist movement as possible while try to make the less noise on the contact as possible
ahah ihih , hi Thank you mate. when I try to do that, the ball gets a bit higher on the net, which makes it easier to play. so I thought Mr.Emrat can give me tip regarding that. His videos have been very helpful,so thought he might give me one of those pro tips to help me with this. 😊
Prashant Kumar , thanks mate. hope you learn and teach me the trick 😜
yes, there are still many tips behind. wait for my next videos. these tips are concluded from many years, experience of Chinese coach.
Great!!!
Thank You so much
Thank you for your such a effort! :D
now I know why to do a short serve with sidespin, but I don't know how to do it
WorgAgate44 --> practice
Yep. Practice. You can even do it without a table. I practiced my serves at home - it helped me a lot to win points in the amateur level. I was not good at rally, but I had good serves which helped me get points. In the amateur level lol.
keep it short is easy.
Make your serve with lot of spins first, and then control it later. Spin comes from the wrist and body. Long or short comes from the forearm.
A very important thing you have to keep in mind is to contact the ball as low as you can. This will make it easier to control the length of the ball. It will also prevent the ball from jumping up too high. You should actually have a low contact point all the time, also when serving long, as you can also add more speed to the ball.
TL;DR always contact the ball low ;)
You do not show how to do it, only the effects.
Thanks EmRatThich !!
I know that we can attack on long sidespin+topspin serve but if that serve is very short than push makes ball out of table so how to return because we can not play any topspin shot in that condition
my fore hand push is really very worst I'm trying to improve it....and in matches short service is done on my fore hand side so how can I return the ball
i dont get it... why fh dominant player would like to to pendulum serve when the ball is going to his bh...
if u are fh dominant player u want the ball to got to ur fh...
im fh dominant player and i prefer reverse pdneulum because most of the time oppoenet recived to my middle and i dont need to step around to do pivot... i have ball in midlle so i can easy do fh without pivot (stepping around)
Dawid Garboliński because the forehand from the backhand side is stronger. You can step deeper into the table and have a better angle. Also if the opponent returns the ball you can easily follow up with a forehand, which you wouldn't be able to do if you attacked the first topspin from the forehand and the opponent blocked the ball into your backhand.
Dawid Garboliński actually there is another reason. In the professional level, the players know that a pendulum serve will be returned back to the server's starting location. Therefore, they will angle their shot to be down the line( away from the server) to counter the spin. Thus if the receiver does this it will actually go to your forehand side. However for you, when you get into a match with a opponent you need to see if the opponent actively controls ur serve and counters the spin or he is passive. That will determine whether or not you should serve pendulum or reverse pendulum.
greenLink, you understand very well the basics of the table tennis tactics. Vote up!
I will answer it in the next video :) stay tuned.
ball in the middle also gives you a shorter table length, gives you less place to position your body with a correct angle to attack to your opponent backhand
Should we keep our body tight or loose while playing table tennis
Why would Ma Long want the ball at his BH side? Pivoting on that side can leave a wide open FH side. Wouldn't you want serves to be returned to the FH area of the table by using a reverse pendulum?
all the guys at work have recently discovered my weakness in returning deep side spin. my question is about the "tackyness" of the rubber on the blade. I've noticed my serve getting returned easier and easier. Should the rubber be cleaned everynow and then and if so with what? and how often replaced?
hello sir, I'm an advanced attacking player. I can attack short n long balls from backhand n forehand easily. I have footwork n technique. I am confused between DHS HURRICANE MA LONG V, INFINITY GOLDEN TOUCH N INTENSITY NCT CARBON. Could you please suggest which blade will b better for me? At present I use yinhe n9, which is too slow away from the table. Please help me.
Now i am able to do pendulum serves but its hard to do short serve i can spin the ball but long not short i always do net when serving short
Shi shi for all your advice. In your opinion is viscaria similar to infinity vps? I have infinity vps and wanted to upgrade to viscaria. I'm a developing player around u.s.1500-1600 rating
I ussually serve with pendulum sidespin, because I cannot pendulum serve with backspin. But when I play with attacking minded player, he will return my serve with flick easily because no backspin on the ball. My friend told me to put the ball to his forehand down the line, because forehand flick is harder than backhand flick. I want to ask your opinion about it. How should I serve?
your friend is totally right. It seems that your pendulum sidespin is not short enough, or you serve always at the same position, so the opponent can flick it easily. So serve pendulum more to the middle of the table or at the right side, so they can't BH flick it. And If he tried to move to the middle to flick it, you can use a fast serve to his wide BH to win the point :) bests.
If you want sidespin and backspin then change the angle of your bat when contacting the ball to a more 45 degree angle and still brush forwards across your body.
Many of Zheng Jeke's serve are short with side top,
for armature players wouldn't the normal pendulum serve be better for a back hand player as the ball is returned to the backhand because of spin and the reverse pendulum be netter for forehand players as the spin sends the ball to the servers forehand
I have explained it in my Ping Sunday "Tactics and Strategy"
Why do Chinese players prefer to have a bigger blade 158cm by 151cm like dhs instead of more compact 157cm by 150cm. Isn't smaller blade faster?
+wholesomechiro you are right. larger blade is more flexible
I have a good sidespinn/underspinn serve, but if i get the serveball back, the ball is very spinny und high.
I have to much time to attack and i hit the ball in the net..
lift the ball with your legs
sir , please add a video how to serve long !!!!
so I can do a pretty spinny serve.. and I can also do a very short serve.. But how exactly to do it both short and spinny at the same time? :s
ALandarion
1. Assuming you are a shakehander, when you are serving pendulum, change your grip. Your middle, ring and pinky should be curled at the backhand side of your bat. This allows your wrist to move more freely to produce more spin
2. When you are serving, use less of your arm's forward momentum but more of your wrist. :)
You can add a lot of spins and keep the ball short.
Spin comes from the acceleration of the wrist and your body. Short or long, is just the way you let the ball goes (the motion of the forearm). I will make another video for that. The best way to generate spin, not from the forearm, don't use the forearm in your service.
Vote up! :)
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach Hi Sir, your explanation works really well. Thanks for all the previous pieces of advices you share.
i always thought reverse was for forehand dominant, while regular pendulum was for backhand dominant. my playing area is quite small so i do it like that so i dont have to step around table. lol
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Hello EmRatThich,
I really like your channel and your videos a lot, because they are very helpful. But I have a problem:
I just turned 18 and i got myself a new racket ( BH: Butterfly Feint AG 1.3mm / FH: Donic Acuda S1 Turbo 2.0mm / Wood: Donic Epox Powerallroung ). Since I play it in my matches I lost very often, even to opponents which I have previously won and developed from best player in the league to only midfield. I know that its not all about my racket but also about my self but still I feel that Im not getting enough confidence throughout my choice of materials.
As you noticed I am a modern defensive player who likes to be able to perform some defensive but also some offensive strokes with my backhand. so I am searching for somehow an allround pimple. For my forehand I think I would need something with a bit more control but it should still be fast enough because I perform topspins quite often. My wood should be not to fast becuse of my backhand. Do you think my wood is a good one to play with pimples or should I change?
Please help me, tabletennis is my life and I currently feel so unhappy with my play eventhough I train up to 8 hours a week and at least two matches every weekend.
PS: Keep up the good work on your channel, you really are a good coach!!
hi kokol,
first, acuda s1 turbo is not hard enough for your FH, and second you choose only 2.0mm.
because it's not hard enough, you should choose max, or change a harder for your FH.
second, donic Epox is not a good blade for defensive all round style. This blade is more fore allround close to the table, choose the larger head size blade, and heavier blade, you will find that these types of setup suites better your playing style :)
Thank you for your quick response!!!
If you say so, then I will probably go for a different rubber but with a harder sponge and I will aslo change my blade. Thanks again, I will let you know if it works out for me ;)
hello emratthich.i want to ask you about something.im practicing the punch serve .i can do a long punch serve on both sides that cab reach very high speeds and be extremelyyy spin i usually use my whole body to hit it.but at the same time i cant make this serve short.even the slightest contact makes it jump alot.the thing is if i wud be able to do even half the spin short i wud be a beast at serving...i wanted to ask you how can i add so much spin in a punch serve(especially when i flick up for topspin)while making it a short serve?thanks you for the videos i love so much.
also im left hand player.thanks for reading.
to keep it short, you should accelerate at the moment of contact, use more of the body to serve.
I will make another video for that.
This drawing's are great.You should use it more.thanks
And coach..
What about the banana or the backhand flick?
It's hard to do on side spin especially when it does not favor your dominant hand like a right handed pendulum to the Lefty's forehand side
The child’s voice behind so lovely and funny :)
Hey iam a penhold.Any tips for me?please reply
I'm planning to buy the dhs hurricane 3 neo commercial not national blue sponge it's cheap do you think it's a good rubber????!!!
he made a video about it
yes, choose the 2.15mm thickness, and hardness about 39-40
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach thanks and xiom Vega elite for backhand and a 30 dollar blade it's my 1st custom made racket I play very good my style is like zjk but in my country there aren't good rackets out here but I'll buy online time to get serious I'm about to go to national tournaments
note that if you feel he's talking a bit slow, you should go 1.25 speed
but a lot of coach says we must %80 use short backspin serve. Because with backspiny serve your opponent will difficult to flick... (sorry for my englısh)
yes, and most of the time, they will drop shot this serve, and then you lose the "advantage of the server". Normally, the server who holds the ball will have a higher chance to win the point (this is called "advantage of the server"). That's the bad advice from a lot of coaches. :) bests
Thanks for this beautiful reply.Meanwhile, one of those recommendations was pingskills (you said them they are good coachs)
that is the old concept in table tennis. and this one is the concept in China. So that's why there is the difference.
thanks a lot. you are best coach ı have ever seen
OIC.. after 5 months.. now I can understand it
great!
Subtítulos en español??? 😭😭😭😭
how to generate spin and serve short at the same time?
focus first in ur spin, dominate it, and then make the serve shorter
You can add a lot of spins and keep the ball short.
Spin comes from the acceleration of the wrist and your body. Short or long, is just the way you let the ball goes (the motion of the forearm). I will make another video for that. The best way to generate spin, not from the forearm, don't use the forearm in your service.
Subtitulos en español por favor.
juan diego recalde murillo I will add soon
footwork
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Hey, EmRatThich, I've been playing a European/Japanese blade(Timo Boll ALC and Tenergy 05) now for about 2 to 3 years and I've never had any problem with it. I've only been playing for 4 years now and I'm a pretty young player, so I pretty much learned all of my techniques with this blade. So, should I really change my blade as you suggested in your videos about the Chinese philosophy? And if you think so, how should I change it? Should I only change the forehand rubber or even the entire wood? If you want to see me playing, there are numerous videos like the links I show you here: ruclips.net/video/JlG9yNt6oNU/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/nr3rXMx4Rxg/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/2KKVqbCX2vE/видео.html . Most of the links here are a bit older and my playing style has changed a bit since then of course(e.g. the stuff I'm doing wrong in the third video, faster forehand topspin, better footwork, etc.). The videos are already in public and even my schoolmates, as well as my chemistry teacher, have seen them, so I don't really care if I share it with you too. My dad needs a new racket too because his old one which I won is too fast for him, so I could even just try it out. Hope you'll respond! Thanks if so!
hi Henri, you are from Germany?
first, Don't change the blade. Your playing style suits well with Boll ALC (it's a very good blade even for Chinese topspin style). I just say that, don't choose a very hard, carbon blade without feeling like tamca blade.
For your playing style, you have the same problem as many amateur players. Don't know the good timing to hit the ball, and the footwork is bad.
My advice: wait a little for the ball, don't hit too soon, and use the waist to generate power, after the shot, make a small step to move.
And should I change my forehand rubber? If so, which one do you suggest? And no, I'm not from Germany! I'm from Franconia ;-)
hay quá
you did not explain how to add more spin to the balls in short serve
I will explain in the next videos.
I am a Bckhand dominant player
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