Did Vincent Van Gogh have Schizophrenia?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- It has been largely speculated whether Vincent Van Gogh had schizophrenia or some other type of illness. This video explores some of the mental illnesses he may have experienced and postures whether or not he had schizophrenia or if another diagnosis may have been a better fit.
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I don't fully understand the connection between schizophrenia and creativity or if there even is one; but, I think this RUclips channel is art. It must take a lot for you to pull it all together and build it up to what is. Thank you, you help me all the time.
@Sepsis
Dr. Russell Barkley says something similar about persons with ADHD...
They are creative and/or successful in spite of their disorder(s), not because of them.
Those successful people who have, schizo affective disorder, OCD, Asperger's, ADHD, Tourettes... have other psychological resources upon which to draw and push through their limitations, but...
for every successful person with a psychiatric disorder, there are something like eight or nine who simply cannot understand what's going on.
Hope that makes some kind of sense.
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This may be true, although loosening of associations between ideas, a common symptom, has been speculated by some to be similar to the thought processes of a creative person, who often pairs uncommonly related ideas, visuals, music ect. Even if this theory is true, it may be that most creatives do not have mental disorders. They could though, if this is correct, be on a subclinical spectrum without any of the psychotic features of the illness.
I think Dr Russell may not know what he is talking about regarding ADHD... I have read papers that state those with ADHD are more creative. This certainly fits with my personal experience, instead of needing to think outside the box, people with ADHD often joke that "is there a box?" The problem isnt so much thinking of new ideas, but completing them, particularly tasks one does not like!
@@lundsweden
Hi Andy,
Well Dr. Barkley's probably forgotten more about ADHD than, I contend, most of us will ever know.
Speaking personally, his words about a motivation deficit certainly ring true.
"Helpful" friend: You're just not trying hard enough!
Me: Oh you think I f×××ing enjoy living my life like this.
Your brain is who and what you are and is far from "HAL 9000" infallibility.
No matter, consciousness genuinely sucks from time to time... still beats the alternative.
❤️
Schizophrenia is a mental form of morphing realities, including visuals, thoughts etc. the process of art is creating by interpreting realities as well. Ive heard an interpretation that schizophrenia is simply the inability to filter and block the influx of input into your psychi/third eye during the episodes and that it is a complete bombarded creation from the subtle, or gross energies surrounding us constantly. So schizo anything , is already the inability to avoid a wild interpretation of reality. It’s a creating disease of the brain. It is the inability to avoid building things in your mind off of other things. Doesn’t matter the vibration, it’s the creation process. Also life is the process of creating and creativity. Everything you see is because someone created what was in their mental eye. Even a toothbrush. Even when you write a note. Your penmanship is an expression of your creativity even. People just don’t realize. The degree to which I choose to express that, is solely based on effort. When I was young, one of my things was that people would literally turn into a 2-d Picasso interpretation of their face. No dimensions. flat. their mouths would speak sideways. Or another example is no matter what environment for 4-5years, any surface with texture my brain would turn everything into hundred of tiny demoniac faces covering walls, forests, cars, anything and whatever I was surrounded by. and they would whisper. I’m an artist and I could’ve really profited off that. I couldn’t turn it off even if I wanted to. But, I am an artist who purposefully did NOT create what my episodes would create, in hopes to stop the creations. And to some degree- it did work. and now I’m able to more purposefully navigate it. Just because it is sometimes negative, doesn’t mean it is not creation. For reference, the definition of creativity is: “the characteristic of a person to generate new ideas, alternatives, solutions, and possibilities in a unique and different way. Creativity is the ability to conceive something unpredictable, original and unique. It must be expressive, exciting and imaginative.” Hopefully this helps to understand!
A great french poet, Antonin Artaud, who lived himself with schizophrenia, wrote a book about Vincent Van Gogh, but I don't know if there is an english translation (if not it's time to do it !).
I going to look for this
@@kathrinjohnson2582 it's a powerfull text but it's better to read it when you're in a good mood because it can be a little disturbing.
Did he said Vincent had schizophrenia?
@@nohandle00000 no, the point of his text is to say the problem came from the society which wasn't ready to recieve Van Gogh's art.
As a bipolar person I’ve often thought about Van Gogh and Made connections between his life and mine. He was in pain nothing seemed to go right for him. He couldn’t sell a painting to save his life and people thought he was a joke. I think he had a little bit of everything. He was in a delusional state. Poor guy.
It’s hard to tell because BPD has a very wide range of symptoms as well. I have BPD and suffer from hallucinations, mania, mood swings, personality changes, paranoia… It’s an all-encompassing illness really.
It signs like you may have a comorbidity.
I have seen some pretty beautiful and amazing things my eyes closed with schizophrenia.
I’ve seen an alligator where the bumps on his back were actually mountains, a wolf’s head that was also a blue star ✨like shape, and a bunch of other trippy weird stuff I would love to paint if I were so talented.
Talent is a myth. Continuous work and honing a craft is where the real magic happens. Start painting even if you're not good at it right away. Then keep at it. It's good for you 😊👍
This is just a human experience wtf are you guys talking about schizophrenia
A lot of it comes with practice. Don't be afraid to splatter paint on the canvas or paper, even if it's a shapeless blob. Everyone can learn how to paint, even if the results aren't as good as you want them to be at first. With enough work you'll be able to make your visions come to life on the canvas. I suggest you give it a shot, make a mess, express yourself a couple of times and see if you like it. It might become a lifelong hobby, even help you make a dollar or two on the side!
@@dianeaishamonday9125 hah I completely agree. I am pursuing film though instead!
Good vibes from Houston Texas
@@alldud13 Yeah but for me it’s exaggerated. I have schizophrenia and these closed eye hallucinations happen to me immediately whenever I close my eyes. The images come vividly bright and colorful then go away quickly, morphing from one thing to the next, slowly bouncing around. I always have this happening, it never stops. Every time I close my eyes, even if I’m just kissing my fiancé, I see weird stuff. A lot of times it’s distorted cartoon figures that can be kinda disturbing. I don’t have to have my eyes closed for these hallucinations to happen, it could just be a blank slate like the sky or a wall.
Then whenever it’s real intense there’s another level of hallucinations that go on in front of or behind those images, they are like bouncy jiggly shapes that somehow feel like beings. Like my brain identifies them as a being. These hallucinations don’t fade but are like I’m watching a video at 60 frames per second. They are usually dark grey or black and can get “covered” by the usual closed eye images I talked about earlier.
I also have open eye hallucinations that I can go into more detail if anyone is curious about those lol
If colours were words, vincent's masterpieces are the best story i have ever been told. In some strange way, vincent reflects something in me.
Vincent talks to me in a special language. I feel that vincent is a part of me.
Thanks!
Vincent Van Gogh also would consume way more than the daily recommended amount of coffee. ☕️ During his stay in Saint-Rémy Institution - he was extremely productive and was given space for a studio; however he once had an episode where he consumed paint plus turpentine, as either a way to poison himself or he was merely confused. He was restricted for a while to drawing.
Sure you'll find your gift oh, maybe it's doing this channel. I personally think you're doing a great job, and I appreciate you for doing it.
I’ve wondered about schizotypal personality for Van Gogh, as the extreme isolation he faced matches that criteria well. As you said, his psychotic symptoms were mainly episodic, similar to schizotypals who don’t mainly have psychosis but sometimes do. His extreme mood shifts could be coming from both his loneliness and his distrust of others, which is the paranoid aspect of schizophrenia.
I know you don’t have this condition, but I would love to hear more about schizotypal, maybe as one of the “picture of schizophrenia” series. Your channel always makes things seem less esoteric
I think Van Gogh had a mood disorder so probably bipolar or schizoaffective in my opinion.
You have addressed the movie, A Beautiful Mind, and it's accuracy. Please watch and address the movie, Fear of Rain. I watched it yesterday and it addresses many of the things on which you focus.
I started watching the second movie last night. To me it seemed badly conceived and nothing in it spoke to me. It didn't hold my interest very long.
Good timing ! Just recently a Van Gogh exhibition began in my city, I really wanna see it.
Almost certainly he had Bipolar Disorder 1. He had moments of severe depression and major periods of mania. Bipolar psychosis is very real. My aunt is bipolar and has auditory hallucinations and had delusions prior to her treatment. Hallucinations are most likely to cycle with extreme moods, which better fits Van Gogh who could, at times, appear "normal". He didn't seem to fit the confusion of schizophrenia that would have certain been present in a time before medications for these illnesses. His episodic periods suggest bipolar and not schizophrenia.
I’m totally on board with claiming him for the schizoaffective team! You don’t really hear much about it and it’s always nice to see it mentioned.!
I was just thinking about this topic!!! Love hearing your thoughts❤️
It’s always interesting to speculate on the diagnoses of famous artists and people in the past, before most psychiatric diagnoses were solidified yet.
I saw on multiple websites, articles that he was a typical bipolar 1 kind of guy, with periods of wellness and then having psychotic when he was manic or depressed (he cut his ear during a manic episode). Others say that in addition of bipolar disorder, he also had borderline personality disorder, because of his short temper and his fear of being abandoned, rejected. He clearly had many other issues due to his poor diet. But he will remain forever a mystery due to his multiple illnesses. But bipolar seems to be the more correct to me. I know people from my family who are bipolar and Van Gogh acted like some of them.
Maybe he had schizoaffective disorder...schizophrenia and bipolar.
Bipolar awareness day often brings him up and celebrates him.
My son with schizo-affective disorder uses filters on photos of people to make them look strangely electrified. I think this is how he sees people.
Like the cat artist who painted electric looking cats?
You and your videos keep my life alive
Schizophrenia is known to elevate creativity in people, a lot of artists and actors often fall on the schizophrenic spectrum, but usually tend to have a very mild form of it. The benefits of schizophrenia are obvious, but the draw back is that people often suffer from apophenia (make connections were none exist) and have a poorer grasp of reality, to the point where they may have difficulty with concept of objective truth and may believe that truth is actually someone's way of obtaining power of others.
Here is the research behind creativity and schizophrenia:
According to one theory, both people with schizophrenia and their non-affected relatives lack lateralization of function in the brain. While this tends to handicap the former, it tends to benefit the latter, who gain creativity from increased use of the right hemisphere and increased communication between the right and left hemispheres. This increased inter-hemispheric communication also occurs in schizophrenia sufferers, but their cognitive processes tend to be too disorganized for them to make productive use of it.
Some healthy relatives of schizophrenia sufferers may be so close to schizophrenia on the spectrum of normality as to meet the diagnostic criteria for schizotypal personality disorder. Many more relatives who do not meet the threshold for schizotypal disorder may nonetheless have mild schizo-typal traits, such as divergent or idiosyncratic thinking, which are linked with creativity."
Source: Neel Burton M.D. Mad Genius: Schizophrenia and Creativity
@@carlinthomas9482 I agree! That fits my family of origin.
@@carlinthomas9482 I know some extremely talented artists who have schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sometimes it is not only their family members.
Schizophrenia is most often detrimental to ones creativity.
@@vsr9105 Yes, it can be if it is severe enough, but as the study I posted shows, at mild to moderate levels it can actually elevate creativity.
He definitely had schizoaffective. There's no way he could have sustained that much work without being very neurodivergent.
I think he was bipolar or schizoaffective, but I don't know.
Ok dr
I agree.
There’s a theory that he actually didn’t commit suicide. He used to be bullied by kids. One time he went to a farm to paint and one of the kids who used to bully him bought a gun with himself and accidentally shot him! And being a troubled genius he was in order to save those kids. He took the blame of shooting himself.
It would fit Vincent's personality if he took the blame for being shot by those kids. This theory makes a lot of sense to me.
I think that is how his death is portrayed in the Willem Dafoe film.
thats just people trying to rewrite history
I don't believe a kid shot him.
Snobby art critics just can't accept that such a brilliant artist could be mentally ill and want to die.
I read an article saying Van Gogh didn't really hear voices, that his ears just rang. I guess they ignored all his letters to his brother Theo where he talked about how he felt being mentally ill.
It makes me angry that people try to sweep his mental illness under the rug.
Thank you.
Thank you
stay safe lauren.thanks for the good vids.
You are amazing, and your gair looks great. Thank you for your deep researches.
I just tattooed Vincent van goghs the scream on my rib because I relate to that image because of my schizophrenia.
The Scream is really cool but was not painted by Van Gogh.
Could u please do a video on service dogs for psychosis and schizophrenia?
Speaking of the trope. John nash fits the misunderstood genius trope
I hope you're doing ok. You look tired... May God strengthen you and your family.
This is such a thoughtful and kind video
No. Porphyria. NOT schizophrenia. Van Gogh was an artist in spite of his illness. Not because of it.
It has also said that he suffered from severe tinnitus, and that is why he cut off his ear.
I think that is just art critics trying to deny Van Gogh was mentally ill.
Even if tinnitus caused him to cut off his ear (which I doubt), then what caused him to give his severed ear to a prostitute he was in love with? Wouldn't a sane person realize that no one wants a severed ear for a present?
Some art critcs can't handle the fact that such a talented artist was that mentally ill. Van Gogh spent time in mental institutions and wrote about his experiences of illness to his brother Theo.
Evidence of mental illness in Van Gogh is undeniable and it makes me angry that people try to deny it.
Very interesting 😊
I’m certain that most viewers of this channel are claiming him as Team Schizophrenia, I certainly do..
What an impressive orator.
I think he had bipolar disorder rather than schizophrenia.
Most likely schizo-affective disorder
@@maryannscott5567 I have a Masters in Art History and I do not remember studying anything specifically about his hallucinations or delusions. Yes he allegedly cut off his own ear in a fight with Gauguin but it’s all speculative really. What we do know is that he had wild mood swings.
@@marianm7468 The tip-off to me was the art itself. The stylized distortion indicates his perception was difference. I don't think he was using his imagination. As I noted in my comments about Louis Wain and my own son's photography, they are likely seeing in ways that most people don't. I think it's fascinating.
@@marianm7468 Van Gogh describes experiences that sound like hallucinations in at least one letter to his brother Theo.
He talks about having experiences which he thought were real at the time but later realized were imagined.
So many people don't want to believe how ill Van Gogh was. But he was in mental hospitals and wrote about it in letters.
At Eternity's Gate with Willem Dafoe is a beautiful recent film of Van Gogh.
Van Gogh didn't end his own life IMO, he protected his shooter by calling it a suicide
This is just a theory. It’s one of the theories presented in BuzzFeed’s Unsolved episode about Van Gogh. It’s comforting to believe Van Gogh wouldn’t end his own life so alternate theories were conspired. However, it’s a well known fact that Van Gogh had mental health problems and unfortunately suicide can be a result of untreated mental health disorders.
Lauren I think youre wrong to say bipolar people arent typically creative. I think they are usually that way! I think you are more creative than you realize also.
People with bipolar aren't nesscarily more creative rather they are more likely to have creative and artistic ways of expression, creativity is commonly a sort of coping skill.
I think he had type 2 schizophrenia. Its schizophrenia with the triggers and symptoms of bpd.
One thing I'm noticing that I don't like is i have to pretend i care about my mental wellbeing
He was an Aries born March 30 . A lot of Aries zodiac sign people have been known to have schizophrenia.
my art teacher told my class, in eighth grade, that van gough cut off his ear while he was shaving, and he had an epileptic seizure.
And left out that he gave his severed ear to a prostitute he was in love with?
this was good
America: Van Go
Britain: Van Gof
Dutch: vaan Ghogh
@Shala Carter; he was simply know as “Vincent”, didn’t use his surname ‘cause he was inspired by Rembrandt who popularised forgoing your last name.
Van Goch with a soft G I do believe the Dutch pronunciation is xx
Go, Girl!!!!
Could someone help me ? I seem to be in my head a lot ever since I was a kid . I’ve always been alone but have met many people . I can put voices to my thoughts and have inteligente conversations between them to the point where I can figure things out that work in real life . I can hear them only in my head (I’ve heard words spoken from the no where in real life but rarely ) and respond to them out loud when I’m alone . I have genuine feelings with them and put emotion and sometimes cry when talking to my brain . My body seems to want my brain to focus on what society deems Important but I feel like I should follow my brain ( the truth ) if I figure my self out I can figure out how everything came about . My brain thinks really fast , one day for me might be like 2 for the normal person . Maybe I’ve gone crazy , idk but I’m enjoying this
I thought he had bipolar. Bipolar day even brings him up, I believe it's on his birthday because of him having it.
His symptoms were worsened by the paint he used. The paints were very toxic back then. Unregulated.
People don’t know if Vincent suffered from Schizophrenia… but it could very well be that he did.
Bpd can present with rapidly shifting moods and hallucinatory types of experiences. Many are misdiagnosed bipolar or schizoeffective when it could be bpd. Bpd is a serious mental illness
Lauren do a video on how there is no such thing as schizophrenia; just people who take antipsychotics. There are lots of people who take antipsychotics without having schizophrenia. Why can’t you be one of them? Think about that. :)
If she had been born 100 years ago what would she have been called then? There were no antipsychotics then, but there was still mental illness.
She wasn’t born 100 years ago.
@@declankaster7375 I know!
I think schizophrenia was his diagnosis.
Wow her hair is so sensual
dr sebi had it :(
I still think the whole diagnostic label system is a disaster on its own.
Vincet has very screwed life without love and friends. With that setup it's easy to succumb into dark side.
Schizophrenia was a nono back then
From his letters, he may have had Ménière’s disease.
She won’t pin this
Angels vs demons according to the new testament
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i dont know what is going on with her hair but its so distracting. its like patchy? idk i cant stop seeing the light hitting it ahhhhh
It's not Van Go 😅 you pronounce it like loch (monster of loch ness) but with a g
A friend told me that.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
@@Catlily5 i speak Dutch so I should know…
@@matthiasrosseels Okay, I believe you then. We say it wrong in my country.
Thanks!
Thanks!