One gets so much more vivid sense of the actual "tour" from this video than from the very sterile coverage of today. There is the feeling of the streets and the hills and sun and sound. Interesting.
Exactly. Christian Prudhomme had the brilliant idea to introduce more hill stages and every once in a while some cobble stones, but on the other hand the mountains are not hard enough every two years in average, there are still two many sprinters and flat stages causing a high number of crashes and he is absolutely against long time trial "because some of the favorites gain two much time on these stages". Well, if you set up some many flat stages and poor moutain stages obviously the time trial become two decisive ... And I didn't even mention the fact that the Giro and the Vuelta have some very attractive routes since the begining of the decade, making the Tour less attractive. Dumoulin, Pinot and Chaves are snobing the tour this year for the Giro, Quintana and Nibali gave their priority to the Giro last year, etc ..
Indurain the heaviest winner in tour history. His mental and physical strength in the mountains was insane. We will never see a rider like this man again.
Yeah I really enjoyed the Indurain years, very stylish rider. In saying that, let's not forget Jacques Anquetil who was a time trial freak also. Nine time winner of the Grand Prix des Nations, most of them 140 km time trials. 140 km. Let that sink in.
@@Broodkast8I do not think Indurain would even be top 10 now in the tour, because the Tour back then was much more time trial heavy and the last 15 years, there is not that much time trial. Search Wikipedia on the 92 Tour Route, there could not have been a tour ever better suited for a time trial rider like Indurain, the Pyrenees were skipped that year and only 2 days in the Alps
Well, he already had a serious medical help at that time, that's why he got testicle cancer. Then I let you guess what sort of help he got in 1999 to be even faster, not medical anymore, but motorised.
@@friendlyflow efficient in the old era More aero , more lightweight for the little front wheel , and more inestability in front on the bike , the position in the bike its very forced compared with the new tt bikes .
No "old school tech" here: the small wheel in the front just forced Indurain which had a huge body to get a more aerodynamic position on the bike. That's all.
@@Penfold-zr2be I don't think Anquetil would have been able to beat Toni Rominger by 2 minutes, and Chris Boardman by more than 5 minutes, as Indurain did, remember Rominger and Boardman were Time trial specialists.
@@m.amonroy4465 You clearly don't know cycling history. Anquetil's era also had tt specialist like Baldini, Riviere, Aldo Moser Rolf Graf etc. As he never competed in the 90s you can't say how he would have fared against riders in that era.
@@Penfold-zr2be Yes, two different eras...as it was, Indurain would have smoked Anquetil without question. The physical differences were without question....
When Indurain zooms past at 3:08, this was a moment of epiphany for Lance Armstrong........he's thinking to himself: _"I want some of what he's having."_ 5 years later and after beating cancer, Lance starts his impossible win streak of 7 consecutive Tour de France wins. Even Disney doesn't make fairytales that outrageous.
Indurain Also won 7 grand tours as well as medals in the world road race and world and Olympic time trial. He also broke the hour record and his was one of the last to complete a giro / tour double. Keep in mind he did all this at around 170 pounds ..Talk about a fairy tale🤣
@@Squashenpilhe was so cold and don’t feeling the pressure, when you watch him riding he was so calm and confident, and that’s one of the reasons of his success
Yeah, the greatest doper. He was a super domestique....not a top tier rider for all of the late 1980s. Then EPO emerges (1990-1991), and Mig is suddenly the very best. Quite a conincidence. Did Mig suddenly learn how to train in 1991? LOL...no. He was the rider who responded the best to EPO. Had something to do with his massively proportioned lungs. He needed a way to get his circulatory system to carry the volume of O2 that his lungs could provide. Enter EPO....
@@acewilliams7917 The top riders received several new steel frames per year; the rest a new one every year or two. As with Formula 1 racing, you can have fast or you can have durable, but not both.
@@jotcarey Steel is obviously slower, but look at the performances the riders produced on them. Far faster than contemporary carbon frames. Unfettered EPO use will best technologies advancements 100 times out of 100 😂
Big Mig is the definition of a classic gentlemen rider. Destroys Lance Armstrong like a parent playing soccer against his 5 years old kid and stays classy. El Rey.
@@abone2pick Totally agree, back then there was a lot of talk of why didn't he try to adopt a more aero position, the answer was he didn't need to and he didn't like it. I guess when you can throw around 500w+ it doesn't matter so much. I remember him doing the hour record, later came out he didn't even want to do it, but Banesto kind of pushed him into it (alledgedly).
You can remember the time trial in Luxembourg Tour 1992, Indurain won and Lemond was 4 minutes 4 seconds behind in fifth position. I made a highlights video about it entitled: Indurain the most incredible time trial ever seen Tour 1992 part 1 of 2
Do not compare a single day time trial with a time trial race after many days in the Tour de France. Running on a velodrome and in the road with tough ledges is not the same. Comparing indurain with Boardman is like comparing a tennis player and a paddle player. Indurain won 2 Giros de Italia the same year that won the Tour de France, only the greatest can do that. 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Even Abraham Olano almost always won Boardman in the time trial.
@@abone2pick It might be impossible to turn a mule into a race horse using drugs, but here we're talking about elite athletes. And just as one can turn an also-ran elite horse into a Triple Crown winner with the judicious administration of drugs, you CAN turn an elite domestique into a major tour winner with drugs. Floyd Landis might be one such example in pro cycling. Barry Bonds would be an example from baseball.
@@mxplk keep in mind in order to be a domestique for a pro cycling team you already have to be strong af. Even the weakest domestiques would demolish us. If u not naturally talented the team won't even offer you the drugs.
as far as I can see, his european counterparts never had a day in court on any count, nor ever paid a cent on any charges of doping - but he was and is a hero cyclist with great physical talents and attributes.
It was this time trial that sealed the deal for Lance to do EPO. Prior to this he was “clean” but on this day he’s realized his career was over if he didn’t dope. If you watch his interview at the end Armstrong is spent and flabbergasted at how fast Mig was going (he was on EPO) and how as a World Champion he got passed like he was going backwards. I remember watching this live in 94.
Armstrong also had a catastrophic position on the TT bike, aero drag like a truck - that was btw also the case in the later years when he destroyed everyone, he only made that up with his "turbo"...
This was Stage 9. When Armstrong was interviewed at the finish he said, "It's over." Indurain took the lead and kept it. The highest oxygen uptake ever meausured. A biological freak. And a superbly classy guy.
@@DarthBane-zf8wv Agreed 100%, my friend...sure, "Big Mig" left the sport quietly after winning his 5 TDF's & never sought the publicity & adulation that the sociopathic bully Pharmstrong did but he was so obviously a doper, which was especially evident when EPO really hit the peloton in '91 & he won 5 years straight from '91-'95!! Also, this guy's completely full of $hit re: the highest VO2 max "ever measured" - LeMond's VO2 max was recorded at 92.5, which is 4.5 ml/kg/min better than Indurain's 88.0.
Um, while I (& virtually anyone who followed cycling 30-odd years ago & knew/knows anything about the sport, both then & now, in hindsight) are completely aware of the fact that "Big Mig" almost definitely used EPO to win 5 years straight from '91-'95, I have nothing personal against the guy. However, re: your unfounded claims re: his supposedly superior "oxygen uptake" capacity, have you ever heard of a certain Greg LeMond, perchance? LeMond's VO2 max was tested at 92.5, which was a full 4.5 ml/kg/min superior to Indurain's 88.0 & when you say "ever measured", BOTH of them were beaten to the bragging rights of best ever VO2 max by a couple of Scandinavian biathletes/cross country skiers.
I was there that day on the course watching. What you can only guess at from these pictures is the heat that day - it was well over 35 degrees and if there was any wind movement it was in their face. The roads are tiny in parts and the surface was grippy and the tar was melting and it was far from flat! I rode a bike at a decent level once and I rate this the greatest ride I ever saw at any time.......well this and Boardman's 56k hour record! Though because of the conditions and course I actually rate Indurain's ride that day higher. Now I do not want to even enter into the spurious drug argument but it would be naive in the extreme not to have some reservations about a ride like this in 1994 when EPO was well known and also undetectable. We will just never know who was and who wasn't in the mid 90's. Nevertheless make no mistake, Indurain would give Tony Martin or Fabian or Wiggins a good race over 50k today.
I think Indurain doped like all the GC contenders, but I think he is among those who would have been better off if everyone was clean. He would have dominated more easily.
+jetbute. Very well said! in mind there is no doubt that Indurain did dope to win the Tour de France five times 1990-95 in a time where many top contenders admitted to the use of doping, especially EPO.
Blood values are only part of the performance; the rest of the body (which is a lot, and Indurain has an amazing body, best build than Lemond, Hinault or Fignon in my opinion), capacity for suffering, concentration, motivation, aerodynamic position, pedaling technique, skill, etc., are the largest part of the final result.
He had nothing on hinault or fignon for skill and style especially in the mountains. If it wasn't for blood doping and epo indurain would be nowhere near them on the climbs.
So you would prefer to lug "Big Mig"'s rather cumbersome body up über-steep mountains, rather than that of LeMond, Hinault or Fignon, would you?! That was where the EPO came in, of course!!
@@thiscocks Do you think the rest of the peloton were on Kool-Aid only? Everyone Armstrong, Merckx, Greg Lemond, Froome they all used enhancing performance drugs to win the Tour de France
With the "super teams" forming with like 3-4 GC contenders per team they really need at least 2 long ITTs, and probably the prologue, too to differentiate times, or it's just gonna be the teams picking a winner.
What a total monster against the watch!This was brilliant to watch at the time.Fantastic!Surely Big Ted would have approved of that display of total domination. :)
Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton, two of Armstrong’s former teammates, testified that he had admitted to testing positive at the race in Switzerland (2001) but boasted of the result being covered
Indurain WAS THE LAST OF MODERN TIMES competitor CLEAN THAT RAN. IN HIS CAREER HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED AND NOTHING EVER been found!! ALWAYS USED THE SUBSTANCE ALLOWED. DEDICATION work!! AND WHAT him apart?? The genetic factor!!
So wrong but I love Mig's rides like this. There's one of him finishing a TT (in yellow) having smashed everyone then after 10secs calmly stepped off his bike like he'd arrived at the shop.
The British and American left wingers had their arses served to them on a plate that day! They always dissed Indurain, saying he boring, and such and such - did not speak English - but he kicked their arses right solid!
Indurain was the best time-trial specialist in modern history, but Armstrong didn't fight to win Tour de France before 1999, he fought to win one-day races, like Fleche Wallonne, Liege-Bastogne-Liege and World Championship and he was world champion in 1993 in Oslo. He lost weight after cancer and he won his first Tour in 1999. Perhaps Armstrong did not even committed to win that time-trial stage and he was already thinking about the next stages.
ceccomyth Lance said he was going full gas. In Lance's first 4 tours he only finished 1, he wasn't a climber, he struggled when stages were over 200k. He wasn't a contender in any way for the overall until he came back from cancer and won with his first attempt.
The World Championship is a one day race. Prior to his cancer, Lance was known for focusing on the one day classics, as mentioned above. It wasn't until his return to the sport that he focused on the TdF instead.
0:57 Even if I was going downhill, with a tailwind, being chased by a rabid dog, with my girlfriend's parents gone for the weekend and she tells me to come over, could I ever, EVER achieve this kind of speed. Legend has it he still averages 500 watts just eating a doughnut.
Indurain got me into bike racing, he had such an incredibly fluid and powerful style in the time trial, utterly demolish everything around him. If you go back and watch the world championship in 1993 that Lance won, look at Indurains face on the podium, he looked annoyed. I think he wanted to prove a point here and demolish Armstrong, thats why he started so fast. Either way, what a brilliant TDF winner. Legendary.
@ Farlight - I agree, you're right. Lance was really lucky to win the '93 Worlds, because they let him get away, because he was just a 21-year-old nobody. That's why Indurain was so pissed and wanted to prove a point in the '94 Tour TT and catch him (2-minute man ahead) so quickly and humiliate the brash arrogant punk.
@@creativity.studio4967 lmaoo ain't no gifts in a one day race. Lance was barely 21 bro. If you had put them in their prime together indurain would get destroyed the same way Ulrich used to get his ass handed to him in the mountains.
@@abone2pick I am an Armstrong fan too, I think we are unlucky not to see these two in their prime fighting it out. No doubt Armstrong would have been incredible in the mountains, but with Time Trial performances like the 1992 Luxembourg TT (41 miles at an average speed of 31mph, insane) where Indurain put 3 mins into 2nd place, I doubt Armstrong would have won any TTs.... but, different story in the mountains. From a pure bike racing perspective, and nothing more, I miss watching either of them in their prime.
@Literally Hitler thanks man. I just got back into biking with a 2021 ALR4 and while the gravel tires are decent (already got 1 flat and had to walk home 3+ miles because I'm an idiot and don't carry spares LOL), I'd like to get some carbon wheels just because I like the way they look. Not sure how durable road tires are around the streets though. If I got a flat with gravel tires on the streets...
An elite athlete who does thousands of kilometers per year does not have to work hard to keep the weight. Today at 49 years remains very fit. Not everyone has the same metabolism.
80kg knocking out 500 watts and won 5 tours in a row, compared to the emancipated cyclists of today these guys were huge and on all sorts, 😉 you cant win a tour today @80kg. But Miguel was a phenomenal machine, zumo or no zumo.
resting heart rate of 28 bpm, Max 205, VO2 90+, reported avg 580 watts at the Luxembourg TT, with in 30 seconds of going over a high pass his heart rate would drop to 70 BPM. I can't say with certainty he didn't dope, but those numbers were enough to beat everyone at that time doping or not.
Physiologists have said that on the back of an envelope you can prove that the power means a VO2 max they've never seen in the lab. Giant rowers can do 6.4L, but they weigh 100kg plus, and do 64ml per kg. I'm not saying it's impossible to be like that, get down to 80kg, and keep the 6.4. But some of this seems to mean VO2 at 8L plus.
I know it's a difficult question. But you've pretty well summed up the way I feel about it. We can wring our hands about the unfairness of it all, but it isn't going to go away. It's all spoilt though. Someone wins a stage or does a spectacular ride and you wonder....... and I think that scrubbing Armstrong's record is ridiculous, as Dave Stocks there has made plain.
Imaginemos que todos iban dopados no estaban todos en igualdad de condiciones ? Por lo tanto fin de la discusion indurain el mejor ciclista de su época y uno de los mejores de toda la historia
You're accusing Gianni Bugno, Tony Rominger, Zenon Jaskula, Piotr Ugrumov (all of them podium in the 5 Tour de France that Indurain won), and hundreds of cyclist that rode the Tour de France those 5 years and who are not in the List of doping cases in cycling of the wikipedia.
Those speeds are impossible in Southern Ontario 1. 20-45 km hr head winds, with 25 km cross winds 2. 98% humidity, 35 celcius 3. High pressure air ( it's like moving a massive weight even in light winds) Even on a 6.8 kg TT bike it's just not going to happen. I lived at 1500 meters in Southern Europe as a kid, there are barely any winds and also much less air pressure even at 2000 meters. Came to Ontario wow never seen winds like these, makes cycling crappy here.
@@dansprague2 The Windsor Essex area sometimes hits 45 celcius in the humid summer days!!, there is no mountains or wooded areas to take up the moisture here. As far as winds I am 1km away from lake St Clair winds are pushing 100 km hr in the bad days of weather, we get lots of damage to the roofs here, had already replace one roof hope it never happens again. 25 km hr winds is normal here even on summer days, good days is around 10 to 15 km hr. I was born and lived in Portugal, Southern Europe and up at 2000 meters there is barely any wind, we cycled there all the time from the villages going to the top of the mountains. The only thing you get tired from is the grade of the road and altitude no cyclist there ever complained about the 10 km hr winds. In march you go up to the mountains there in shorts and a tshirt with 21 celcius with snow still on the ground. Seriously there is less wind there at 2000 meters than here in this crazy wind area at 100 meters. No one on this planet would go up those mountains with a 40 km hr head wind, Southern Europe during the summer months has barely any wind, just humidity. The mountains of Southern Europe protect the areas down in the valleys so you get ZERO humidity and barely any wind. I am more tired cycling in the flats here than going up to 1200 meter line in Europe due to the humidity and the friken winds coming out of everywhere here. All cyclists in this area use a wind map here in order to keep the cross winds down, I crashed once already due to these stupid ass winds here, bike was not too damaged, but will not fall for that crap again, using wind map apps to go around these moronic cross winds. This is the reason why you do not see too many people here on Time trial bikes it's just too dangerous with the cross winds. I don't even have super lightweight bikes and at 175 lbs 8.2 kg bike we are barely hanging on here!!
The TdF has reduced the length of the time trial stages too much. They were perhaps a bit too long in this era and somewhere in the middle would be best. The gold standard time trial length is 40km and that would be ideal for grand tour time trial stages.
According to your argument any world record holder would be doped. Bolt is 11 hundredths of a second faster than the second in just 100 meters. Indurain is "only" 1 second per kilometer faster than Rominger here (Rominger had a puncture) in the 64 kilometers time trial. You can't be serious!
There has been doping since Tour began in 1903. Indurain is a freak of nature. Why do you not write your opinions in videos of Ullrich, Jalabert or Armstrong? It´s all i have to say.
The difference between Indurian and Armstrong was that 1) Indurian quit cycling at the right time 2) He was not a hated asshole Therefore, Indurian was fortunate and his legacy saved. Armstrong, on the other hand, had too much pride and ego to stayed retired. Had he stayed retired, he would have saved his legacy. But make no mistake about this, BOTH Armstrong and Indurian are dopers. The Spanish would like to believe that their hero Indurian was a clean guy, but outside of the Spanhish, nobody today believe Indurian was ever clean. A big guy like Indurian being able to keep up with the lightest climbers on mountain stages just don't exist without the assistance of chemicals.
+Kalashnikov Cortez I agree totally..I think it was at that point Lance thought ''Fuck it....doping here I come'' then he got cancer. sadly it didn't give him a sense of mortality, it actually made him think he was a Superman, special..oh what a fool he was/still is!
+Basques AreJesusPeople your a fucking. Idiot man! We would still never know lance did if it wasn't for everyone grassing him. He still hasn't tested positive.
Yes he has Dumbo. In his first TDF win in 99' he tested positive for a corticosteroids violation. Both A and B samples came back positive. The UCI then laughably permitted Fraudstrong and Team USPS to apply for and receive a retroactive exemption for the substance. The only time in the modern era their tests have a caught rider cheating in which they then permitted the rider to evade the test results by giving him a retroactive exemption. Fraudstrong = Dopestrong. :-)
Lots of comments here on VO2 max, talking about per kg figures 88, 92. On a bike, on the flat, time trialling, it's total VO2 that's much more important. Big guys with high totals can sustain high wattage. A 60kg guy with 90 VO2 max will get his head handed to him by a 80kg guy with 80 VO2 max on a flat course. 6.4 beats 5.4, even if you've an extra 20kg!
Armstrong said in an interview after that time trial that he was going on a 53-11 - 60kph and could not match the speed of Miguel indurain... Holy mother of Epo! I know a lot of people is going to insult me and telling me that i need some "extraordinary proof" but... C´MON it's like going behind a motorbike . Definitly not natural. NOT that long!
Have you had a look at Miguel Indurain's physical data? May help to explain why he could put out 1000 watts for as long as he could. Hence why he could ride like he did.
LOL X-Men stuff. Boardman 1h 21min, Rominger about 1h 18m and Indurain 1h 16min destroys Boardman (one of the best time trialists of all time) by +5min wtf....
Armstrong was already doping at that time. He stated that he started doping when he was around 21. But it might be this time when he thought that he needs to crank up his doping to 11. Just a few months later he started working wot Ferrari...
No surprise, of course. But let me tell you. Your statement is incredibly naive. This is a doctor talking to you. EPO was not detectable in urine until at least 1998. EPO could be purchased over-the-counter in Spain and Indurain got rich and famous really easily. It took Armstrong to go through testicular cancer after this era for him to understand how to micro-dose EPO so different populations of red blood cells (by maturity levels) would not show exaggerations in their proportions. Then EPO tests became a lot more sophisticated: we began to understand the magnitude of differences in red blood cell populations' maturation that indicated EPO doping, and that was the end of Armstrong and many others. Testing sophistication always lags doping innovations by a significant amount of time. I hope you remember this in the future and stop dreaming about super-humans. Long live clean sports.
@@sonofprovence Lance did test positive , but the corrupt admin let it slide , Dr Ferrari was the bio engineer that guided LA ,,and his testicular cancer was caused by roid use ,,,, heavy use
At 3:16, a flip switched in Armstong's mind and the story unveiled as we now know it. This is exactly the same thing as Kim Jong Un pressing on the Nuclear rocket launch button towards the USA. The war has begun at that moment exactly.
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One gets so much more vivid sense of the actual "tour" from this video than from the very sterile coverage of today. There is the feeling of the streets and the hills and sun and sound. Interesting.
Agree!
I miss those times when the tour had long and hard time trials.
+Mihail Sirbu Absolutely.
Exactly. Christian Prudhomme had the brilliant idea to introduce more hill stages and every once in a while some cobble stones, but on the other hand the mountains are not hard enough every two years in average, there are still two many sprinters and flat stages causing a high number of crashes and he is absolutely against long time trial "because some of the favorites gain two much time on these stages". Well, if you set up some many flat stages and poor moutain stages obviously the time trial become two decisive ... And I didn't even mention the fact that the Giro and the Vuelta have some very attractive routes since the begining of the decade, making the Tour less attractive. Dumoulin, Pinot and Chaves are snobing the tour this year for the Giro, Quintana and Nibali gave their priority to the Giro last year, etc ..
I also miss these good old Epo days! (Irony!!!)
Exactly. Even the 8-10 km prologue was exciting for me.
Mihail Sirbu indeed, 63 kilometers, before the mountains, he took always at least 3min30 to the second, even 5 sometimes, climbers 6-7 minutes
Indurain the heaviest winner in tour history. His mental and physical strength in the mountains was insane. We will never see a rider like this man again.
totally agree with you. He is the best ever existed
Yeah I really enjoyed the Indurain years, very stylish rider. In saying that, let's not forget Jacques Anquetil who was a time trial freak also. Nine time winner of the Grand Prix des Nations, most of them 140 km time trials. 140 km. Let that sink in.
It was an era of weak climbers though. And EPO changed the whole sport at the time.
@@Broodkast8 weak climbers... You're clueless
@@Broodkast8I do not think Indurain would even be top 10 now in the tour, because the Tour back then was much more time trial heavy and the last 15 years, there is not that much time trial. Search Wikipedia on the 92 Tour Route, there could not have been a tour ever better suited for a time trial rider like Indurain, the Pyrenees were skipped that year and only 2 days in the Alps
Just imagine how these guys would've looked in HD... Absolute beastmode.
Haha - yes, this looks like it was filmed with a potato.
@@kcd2120 do you think cameras were bad in 1994?
its just the storage it was saved that ruined the quality
@@leart78 You’re probably right!
"If I die during the Tour de France , you do not give up the race" - Big Mig's father. Rest in peace.
That moment when Lance said I need some serious medical help.
Triadlateralus 🤣
I need same doctor :)
@@TenTegens Dr. Ferrari? :P
To even the playing field since Indurain was doping too
Well, he already had a serious medical help at that time, that's why he got testicle cancer.
Then I let you guess what sort of help he got in 1999 to be even faster, not medical anymore, but motorised.
I like that 650c front/700c rear wheel combination. Old school tech is always neat to see.
Yes , Campagnolo Shamal titanuim 650 cc in front and Campagnolo Ghibli 700 in rear .
you think this is efficient? i am curious why they're not using this anymore.
@@friendlyflow efficient in the old era
More aero , more lightweight for the little front wheel , and more inestability in front on the bike , the position in the bike its very forced compared with the new tt bikes .
@@friendlyflow Because the UCI banned it!! That's why they're no longer using it!!
No "old school tech" here: the small wheel in the front just forced Indurain which had a huge body to get a more aerodynamic position on the bike. That's all.
Indurain was a beast,best time trialist ever
For real...
Anquetil takes that honour. 9 GP Nations when it was essentially the ITT world championship plus all those grand tour tt wins.
@@Penfold-zr2be I don't think Anquetil would have been able to beat Toni Rominger by 2 minutes, and Chris Boardman by more than 5 minutes, as Indurain did, remember Rominger and Boardman were Time trial specialists.
@@m.amonroy4465 You clearly don't know cycling history. Anquetil's era also had tt specialist like Baldini, Riviere, Aldo Moser Rolf Graf etc. As he never competed in the 90s you can't say how he would have fared against riders in that era.
@@Penfold-zr2be Yes, two different eras...as it was, Indurain would have smoked Anquetil without question. The physical differences were without question....
When the world champion get overtaken and 2 one hour record holders get beaten by over 2 min you know you are watching best.
When Indurain zooms past at 3:08, this was a moment of epiphany for Lance Armstrong........he's thinking to himself: _"I want some of what he's having."_ 5 years later and after beating cancer, Lance starts his impossible win streak of 7 consecutive Tour de France wins. Even Disney doesn't make fairytales that outrageous.
100%
Hehe nice 👌
Can you provide evidence to support your statement???
SEAL CYCLE Yes, really.
Indurain Also won 7 grand tours as well as medals in the world road race and world and Olympic time trial. He also broke the hour record and his was one of the last to complete a giro / tour double. Keep in mind he did all this at around 170 pounds ..Talk about a fairy tale🤣
Miquel looks like a beast here what a muscular monster!
SOID! THE! BIG! (MIG)!!! THE! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (G,O,A,T)!!! SOID! IS! THE! (YELLOW)!!! JERSEY! (MAN)!!! SOID! *MIKE!!! SPENCE!!! THE! (G,O,A,T,B)!!!
drugs do that
@@patthewoodboy if drugs were the reason he was big, then every rider in the tour would be 250lbs of pure muscle
Yes pretty muscular and a resting heart rate of 28 bpm extremely rare.
@@Squashenpilhe was so cold and don’t feeling the pressure, when you watch him riding he was so calm and confident, and that’s one of the reasons of his success
Qué Increible; Qué "máquina humana"!!!! :)
El Mejor de todos los tiempos!
In my humble opinion..Big Mig was the greatest.
SOID! CORRECT! THE! BIG! (MIG)!!! SOID! WITH! (REAL)!!! GOOD! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (KNOWLEDGE)!!! SOID! IS! THE! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (G,O,A,T)!!! SOID! *MIKE!!! SPENCE!!! THE! (G,O,A,T,B)!!!
Yeah, the greatest doper. He was a super domestique....not a top tier rider for all of the late 1980s. Then EPO emerges (1990-1991), and Mig is suddenly the very best. Quite a conincidence. Did Mig suddenly learn how to train in 1991? LOL...no. He was the rider who responded the best to EPO. Had something to do with his massively proportioned lungs. He needed a way to get his circulatory system to carry the volume of O2 that his lungs could provide. Enter EPO....
@@shooter7a si tienes pruebas denuncia ante la UCI. FANTASMA!!!
@@shooter7amaybe but you have zero proof of what you're saying so it's worthless
Gotta love the steel frames.
Indeed, more durable.
@@acewilliams7917 The top riders received several new steel frames per year; the rest a new one every year or two. As with Formula 1 racing, you can have fast or you can have durable, but not both.
@@jotcarey Steel is obviously slower, but look at the performances the riders produced on them. Far faster than contemporary carbon frames. Unfettered EPO use will best technologies advancements 100 times out of 100 😂
Big Mig is the definition of a classic gentlemen rider. Destroys Lance Armstrong like a parent playing soccer against his 5 years old kid and stays classy. El Rey.
A monument in himself
look indurain position, he had the best time trial position of all history
Actually he wasn't that aero. Look at the gap between between his chest and bars riders now are tighter and more aero but the best in his time
@@abone2pick Totally agree, back then there was a lot of talk of why didn't he try to adopt a more aero position, the answer was he didn't need to and he didn't like it. I guess when you can throw around 500w+ it doesn't matter so much. I remember him doing the hour record, later came out he didn't even want to do it, but Banesto kind of pushed him into it (alledgedly).
You can remember the time trial in Luxembourg Tour 1992, Indurain won and Lemond was 4 minutes 4 seconds behind in fifth position. I made a highlights video about it entitled: Indurain the most incredible time trial ever seen Tour 1992 part 1 of 2
4 minutes??!!!! Thats simply astonishing!!
Do not compare a single day time trial with a time trial race after many days in the Tour de France.
Running on a velodrome and in the road with tough ledges is not the same.
Comparing indurain with Boardman is like comparing a tennis player and a paddle player.
Indurain won 2 Giros de Italia the same year that won the Tour de France, only the greatest can do that.
5 Tours and 2 Giros. Even Abraham Olano almost always won Boardman in the time trial.
Greatest at doping?
waouh, Indurain was such a beast!!!
It's all the drugs.
@@mxplk you cant turn a mule into a race horse with hormones.
@@abone2pick It might be impossible to turn a mule into a race horse using drugs, but here we're talking about elite athletes. And just as one can turn an also-ran elite horse into a Triple Crown winner with the judicious administration of drugs, you CAN turn an elite domestique into a major tour winner with drugs. Floyd Landis might be one such example in pro cycling. Barry Bonds would be an example from baseball.
@@mxplk keep in mind in order to be a domestique for a pro cycling team you already have to be strong af. Even the weakest domestiques would demolish us. If u not naturally talented the team won't even offer you the drugs.
as far as I can see, his european counterparts never had a day in court on any count, nor ever paid a cent on any charges of doping - but he was and is a hero cyclist with great physical talents and attributes.
6:40 The comparison between Rominger and Indurains form on the bike is like night and day.
Como entra Indurain en la última curva.impresionante!!
Laurent Fignon of France tested positive for amphetamines at the Grand Prix de la Liberation in Eindhoven on 17 September 1989 (wikipedia)
It was this time trial that sealed the deal for Lance to do EPO. Prior to this he was “clean” but on this day he’s realized his career was over if he didn’t dope. If you watch his interview at the end Armstrong is spent and flabbergasted at how fast Mig was going (he was on EPO) and how as a World Champion he got passed like he was going backwards. I remember watching this live in 94.
Armstrong also had a catastrophic position on the TT bike, aero drag like a truck - that was btw also the case in the later years when he destroyed everyone, he only made that up with his "turbo"...
I have to agree with you ☝️
This was Stage 9. When Armstrong was interviewed at the finish he said, "It's over." Indurain took the lead and kept it.
The highest oxygen uptake ever meausured. A biological freak. And a superbly classy guy.
Is Riis a biological freak for having the highest Hematicrit value ever measured in Cycling. What a clown comment....
@@DarthBane-zf8wv Agreed 100%, my friend...sure, "Big Mig" left the sport quietly after winning his 5 TDF's & never sought the publicity & adulation that the sociopathic bully Pharmstrong did but he was so obviously a doper, which was especially evident when EPO really hit the peloton in '91 & he won 5 years straight from '91-'95!! Also, this guy's completely full of $hit re: the highest VO2 max "ever measured" - LeMond's VO2 max was recorded at 92.5, which is 4.5 ml/kg/min better than Indurain's 88.0.
Um, while I (& virtually anyone who followed cycling 30-odd years ago & knew/knows anything about the sport, both then & now, in hindsight) are completely aware of the fact that "Big Mig" almost definitely used EPO to win 5 years straight from '91-'95, I have nothing personal against the guy. However, re: your unfounded claims re: his supposedly superior "oxygen uptake" capacity, have you ever heard of a certain Greg LeMond, perchance? LeMond's VO2 max was tested at 92.5, which was a full 4.5 ml/kg/min superior to Indurain's 88.0 & when you say "ever measured", BOTH of them were beaten to the bragging rights of best ever VO2 max by a couple of Scandinavian biathletes/cross country skiers.
@@lavielemond according to his total oxygen uptake he was 10kg heavier so 88 is a massive oxygen uptake its measured per kilo..
I was there that day on the course watching. What you can only guess at from these pictures is the heat that day - it was well over 35 degrees and if there was any wind movement it was in their face. The roads are tiny in parts and the surface was grippy and the tar was melting and it was far from flat! I rode a bike at a decent level once and I rate this the greatest ride I ever saw at any time.......well this and Boardman's 56k hour record! Though because of the conditions and course I actually rate Indurain's ride that day higher. Now I do not want to even enter into the spurious drug argument but it would be naive in the extreme not to have some reservations about a ride like this in 1994 when EPO was well known and also undetectable. We will just never know who was and who wasn't in the mid 90's. Nevertheless make no mistake, Indurain would give Tony Martin or Fabian or Wiggins a good race over 50k today.
I think Indurain doped like all the GC contenders, but I think he is among those who would have been better off if everyone was clean. He would have dominated more easily.
+jetbute. Very well said! in mind there is no doubt that Indurain did dope to win the Tour de France five times 1990-95 in a time where many top contenders admitted to the use of doping, especially EPO.
And all those riders would be on a 14 kg road bike, that would be an interesting race INDEED.
Blood values are only part of the performance; the rest of the body (which is a lot, and Indurain has an amazing body, best build than Lemond, Hinault or Fignon in my opinion), capacity for suffering, concentration, motivation, aerodynamic position, pedaling technique, skill, etc., are the largest part of the final result.
He had nothing on hinault or fignon for skill and style especially in the mountains. If it wasn't for blood doping and epo indurain would be nowhere near them on the climbs.
So you would prefer to lug "Big Mig"'s rather cumbersome body up über-steep mountains, rather than that of LeMond, Hinault or Fignon, would you?! That was where the EPO came in, of course!!
@@thiscocks Do you think the rest of the peloton were on Kool-Aid only? Everyone Armstrong, Merckx, Greg Lemond, Froome they all used enhancing performance drugs to win the Tour de France
El mejor ciclista de la historia con mucha diferencia
The tour is now sometimes 500k shorter and they also dont have these long ITTs new format sucks
With the "super teams" forming with like 3-4 GC contenders per team they really need at least 2 long ITTs, and probably the prologue, too to differentiate times, or it's just gonna be the teams picking a winner.
What a total monster against the watch!This was brilliant to watch at the time.Fantastic!Surely Big Ted would have approved of that display of total domination. :)
La imagen cuando sale de meta es épica . Impone verlo ,parece que va en moto .
Se me ponen los pelos como escarpias recordando al numero 1 de todos los tiempos
Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton, two of Armstrong’s former teammates, testified that he had admitted to testing positive at the race in Switzerland (2001) but boasted of the result being covered
Getting destroyed like that in the rainbow jersey must have been embarrassing for Armstrong. Indurain was a time trial God though.
Well he did best Indurain for that rainbow jersey - who was visibly distraught in defeat to Lance.
This is what you call exploding out of the gate....speed is incredible off the start..
INDUTRAIN. POR SIEMPRE MIGUELON.....
It's amazing that some people still think Indurain was clean in his 5 tour wins.
No, it's incredible that some people think he wasn't clear, you haven't run a tour so shut up
Dense much?
They made a competition of who could prepare himself the best.
Anyone who thinks Indurain was clean should educate themselves with books.
@@samuelharo5112 they don't accept somebody so strong and from spain it hurts
Indurain WAS THE LAST OF MODERN TIMES competitor CLEAN THAT RAN. IN HIS CAREER HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED AND NOTHING EVER been found!! ALWAYS USED THE SUBSTANCE ALLOWED. DEDICATION work!! AND WHAT him apart?? The genetic factor!!
Omerta.
Cmon clean?? Is this even a serious comment
So wrong but I love Mig's rides like this. There's one of him finishing a TT (in yellow) having smashed everyone then after 10secs calmly stepped off his bike like he'd arrived at the shop.
For his height, Endurain had such great TT form....he looks very comfortable in that position.
They are so doped that the camera resolution cannot keep up with their speed.
Miguel was capable of 510Watt for more than 1 hour, nobody even today can do near that.
I think he was capable up to 550 watts. Guy was a monster
That’s sick if true.
this is what drugs do to you
Armstrong's was allegedly 500 watts for 30-40 minutes. He was also a much smaller guy compared to Indurain though, so his w/kg were equal or better.
The British and American left wingers had their arses served to them on a plate that day! They always dissed Indurain, saying he boring, and such and such - did not speak English - but he kicked their arses right solid!
Indurain was the best time-trial specialist in modern history, but Armstrong didn't fight to win Tour de France before 1999, he fought to win one-day races, like Fleche Wallonne, Liege-Bastogne-Liege and World Championship and he was world champion in 1993 in Oslo.
He lost weight after cancer and he won his first Tour in 1999.
Perhaps Armstrong did not even committed to win that time-trial stage and he was already thinking about the next stages.
ceccomyth Lance said he was going full gas. In Lance's first 4 tours he only finished 1, he wasn't a climber, he struggled when stages were over 200k. He wasn't a contender in any way for the overall until he came back from cancer and won with his first attempt.
Yeah his 1993 world championship on road racing meant nothing. You people talk out of your ass 99% of the time on RUclips. It's worse than facebook
The World Championship is a one day race. Prior to his cancer, Lance was known for focusing on the one day classics, as mentioned above. It wasn't until his return to the sport that he focused on the TdF instead.
It means that Indurain is not in the List of doping cases in cycling of the wikipedia
the best of the best.... my actual project named... "Sir Indurain"
0:57 Even if I was going downhill, with a tailwind, being chased by a rabid dog, with my girlfriend's parents gone for the weekend and she tells me to come over, could I ever, EVER achieve this kind of speed. Legend has it he still averages 500 watts just eating a doughnut.
Lol!!😄 You're gonna need NOS on your bike.
Un extraterrestre llamado Miguel Induráin 👽
Undoubtedly the greatest performance in cycling/sports history
hat moment when Lance said I need some serious medic
Indurain got me into bike racing, he had such an incredibly fluid and powerful style in the time trial, utterly demolish everything around him. If you go back and watch the world championship in 1993 that Lance won, look at Indurains face on the podium, he looked annoyed. I think he wanted to prove a point here and demolish Armstrong, thats why he started so fast. Either way, what a brilliant TDF winner. Legendary.
@ Farlight - I agree, you're right. Lance was really lucky to win the '93 Worlds, because they let him get away, because he was just a 21-year-old nobody. That's why Indurain was so pissed and wanted to prove a point in the '94 Tour TT and catch him (2-minute man ahead) so quickly and humiliate the brash arrogant punk.
@@creativity.studio4967 lmaoo ain't no gifts in a one day race. Lance was barely 21 bro. If you had put them in their prime together indurain would get destroyed the same way Ulrich used to get his ass handed to him in the mountains.
@@abone2pick I am an Armstrong fan too, I think we are unlucky not to see these two in their prime fighting it out. No doubt Armstrong would have been incredible in the mountains, but with Time Trial performances like the 1992 Luxembourg TT (41 miles at an average speed of 31mph, insane) where Indurain put 3 mins into 2nd place, I doubt Armstrong would have won any TTs.... but, different story in the mountains. From a pure bike racing perspective, and nothing more, I miss watching either of them in their prime.
barely 21?? Omg are you fucking kidding??! He was almost 22
Por los siglos de los siglos......
he did actually in TDF '99 for cortisone. But was allowed to get a retrospective prescription for saddle sores by UCI to circumvent the positive test.
A 50 el promedio durante más de una hora,, increíble,de otro mundo,a 2021 y nadie como él
*What does the different back wheel do for the bike?*
Literally Hitler do people use those tires for daily riding and training around the neighborhood?
@Literally Hitler thanks man. I just got back into biking with a 2021 ALR4 and while the gravel tires are decent (already got 1 flat and had to walk home 3+ miles because I'm an idiot and don't carry spares LOL), I'd like to get some carbon wheels just because I like the way they look. Not sure how durable road tires are around the streets though. If I got a flat with gravel tires on the streets...
An elite athlete who does thousands of kilometers per year does not have to work hard to keep the weight. Today at 49 years remains very fit. Not everyone has the same metabolism.
Indurain was around 170 pounds. I ride nowhere near as much and weigh less then that
80kg knocking out 500 watts and won 5 tours in a row, compared to the emancipated cyclists of today these guys were huge and on all sorts, 😉 you cant win a tour today @80kg. But Miguel was a phenomenal machine, zumo or no zumo.
No entendí una mierda lo que decia el relator, pero, la pucha che, ¡qué placer ver a Indurain!
resting heart rate of 28 bpm, Max 205, VO2 90+, reported avg 580 watts at the Luxembourg TT, with in 30 seconds of going over a high pass his heart rate would drop to 70 BPM. I can't say with certainty he didn't dope, but those numbers were enough to beat everyone at that time doping or not.
Physiologists have said that on the back of an envelope you can prove that the power means a VO2 max they've never seen in the lab. Giant rowers can do 6.4L, but they weigh 100kg plus, and do 64ml per kg. I'm not saying it's impossible to be like that, get down to 80kg, and keep the 6.4. But some of this seems to mean VO2 at 8L plus.
he was genetically designed for cycling. Just ashame everyone around him has said they had doped. It asks the question?
Indurain is Master of Master!!!!
I know it's a difficult question. But you've pretty well summed up the way I feel about it. We can wring our hands about the unfairness of it all, but it isn't going to go away. It's all spoilt though. Someone wins a stage or does a spectacular ride and you wonder....... and I think that scrubbing Armstrong's record is ridiculous, as Dave Stocks there has made plain.
Imaginemos que todos iban dopados no estaban todos en igualdad de condiciones ? Por lo tanto fin de la discusion indurain el mejor ciclista de su época y uno de los mejores de toda la historia
I wonder if this was the Tour where Lance said F*** It...time to get serious about doping. The way Indurain went by him...LOL
shooter7a I remember seeing him in an interview say: «f***. I’m getting dropped.» I think it was after this stage.
yes, american cyclists at the time were light-years behind the curve on doping regiments compared to the europeans.
You're accusing Gianni Bugno, Tony Rominger, Zenon Jaskula, Piotr Ugrumov (all of them podium in the 5 Tour de France that Indurain won), and hundreds of cyclist that rode the Tour de France those 5 years and who are not in the List of doping cases in cycling of the wikipedia.
Indurain has been the best cronoman of all times!
Miguel DopeDurain, one of the best dopers of all time. LOL
BeastAnd71 all cyclist are doped, so Induráin is the best
Bob Gardner demuestralo o calla la boca
The best cronoman Is Fabian Cancellara
The KING 👊
Fernando read our full discussion before piping up. I never said Armstrong didnt dope, he clearly did, I said he never officially tested positive.
Those speeds are impossible in Southern Ontario
1. 20-45 km hr head winds, with 25 km cross winds
2. 98% humidity, 35 celcius
3. High pressure air ( it's like moving a massive weight even in light winds)
Even on a 6.8 kg TT bike it's just not going to happen.
I lived at 1500 meters in Southern Europe as a kid, there are barely any winds and also much less air pressure even at 2000 meters.
Came to Ontario wow never seen winds like these, makes cycling crappy here.
@@dansprague2 The Windsor Essex area sometimes hits 45 celcius in the humid summer days!!, there is no mountains or wooded areas to take up the moisture here. As far as winds I am 1km away from lake St Clair winds are pushing 100 km hr in the bad days of weather, we get lots of damage to the roofs here, had already replace one roof hope it never happens again. 25 km hr winds is normal here even on summer days, good days is around 10 to 15 km hr. I was born and lived in Portugal, Southern Europe and up at 2000 meters there is barely any wind, we cycled there all the time from the villages going to the top of the mountains. The only thing you get tired from is the grade of the road and altitude no cyclist there ever complained about the 10 km hr winds. In march you go up to the mountains there in shorts and a tshirt with 21 celcius with snow still on the ground. Seriously there is less wind there at 2000 meters than here in this crazy wind area at 100 meters. No one on this planet would go up those mountains with a 40 km hr head wind, Southern Europe during the summer months has barely any wind, just humidity. The mountains of Southern Europe protect the areas down in the valleys so you get ZERO humidity and barely any wind. I am more tired cycling in the flats here than going up to 1200 meter line in Europe due to the humidity and the friken winds coming out of everywhere here. All cyclists in this area use a wind map here in order to keep the cross winds down, I crashed once already due to these stupid ass winds here, bike was not too damaged, but will not fall for that crap again, using wind map apps to go around these moronic cross winds. This is the reason why you do not see too many people here on Time trial bikes it's just too dangerous with the cross winds. I don't even have super lightweight bikes and at 175 lbs 8.2 kg bike we are barely hanging on here!!
Que barbaridad lo de Indurain, sacando 2min a tomy y 5 min al tercero....
The TdF has reduced the length of the time trial stages too much. They were perhaps a bit too long in this era and somewhere in the middle would be best. The gold standard time trial length is 40km and that would be ideal for grand tour time trial stages.
According to your argument any world record holder would be doped. Bolt is 11 hundredths of a second faster than the second in just 100 meters. Indurain is "only" 1 second per kilometer faster than Rominger here (Rominger had a puncture) in the 64 kilometers time trial. You can't be serious!
Wow Indurain was 5km ph faster that Zulle that is like two different species its like a cheetah vs a horse
There has been doping since Tour began in 1903. Indurain is a freak of nature. Why do you not write your opinions in videos of Ullrich, Jalabert or Armstrong? It´s all i have to say.
you post a video of Indurain ,you get comments on Indurain.Welcome to youtube.
brutal!!!!!! amazing!!!
...INDURAIN EN ESA CONTRARELOJ IBA COMO UN TIRO...TIENE TELA PARA SACARLES 2 MINUTOS A LOS MEJORES CONTRARELOJISTAS DEL MOMENTO...!
Bonkers, he went past Armstrong like he was standing still.
Uno de LOS MAS GRANDES DE LA HISTORIA......
looks like MotoGP race
AXA AXA :)
Was it something to do with Migs Masseeve lungs? Amazing speed. . .notice how he keeps pedaling on the `easy` bits (Down hills etc)
Optimized doping.
The difference between Indurian and Armstrong was that
1) Indurian quit cycling at the right time
2) He was not a hated asshole
Therefore, Indurian was fortunate and his legacy saved.
Armstrong, on the other hand, had too much pride and ego to stayed retired. Had he stayed retired, he would have saved his legacy. But make no mistake about this, BOTH Armstrong and Indurian are dopers. The Spanish would like to believe that their hero Indurian was a clean guy, but outside of the Spanhish, nobody today believe Indurian was ever clean. A big guy like Indurian being able to keep up with the lightest climbers on mountain stages just don't exist without the assistance of chemicals.
true!
+Kalashnikov Cortez I agree totally..I think it was at that point Lance thought ''Fuck it....doping here I come'' then he got cancer. sadly it didn't give him a sense of mortality, it actually made him think he was a Superman, special..oh what a fool he was/still is!
+Kalashnikov Cortez No, im spaniard and Indurain was doped like his rivals, no more. He just was better with the same drugs.
+Basques AreJesusPeople your a fucking. Idiot man! We would still never know lance did if it wasn't for everyone grassing him. He still hasn't tested positive.
Yes he has Dumbo. In his first TDF win in 99' he tested positive for a corticosteroids violation. Both A and B samples came back positive. The UCI then laughably permitted Fraudstrong and Team USPS to apply for and receive a retroactive exemption for the substance. The only time in the modern era their tests have a caught rider cheating in which they then permitted the rider to evade the test results by giving him a retroactive exemption. Fraudstrong = Dopestrong. :-)
Nunca vi a un ciclista con esa estética encima de la bicicleta, era brutal verle pedalear ,imponia.
I actually wonder how much did indurain put an average wattage in this race.
And also suspected that Indurain rode saving energies until last kilometer LOL
Grande Miguel 🏅👍🏽🇨🇱💎 y Corrías LIMPIO Not DOPING 🏆🚴🏻♂️🚴🏻♂️🚴🏻♂️🚴🏻♂️🚴🏻♂️
a cancer survivor and one of the fittest men in the world over 40 years old.
legenda...
Lots of comments here on VO2 max, talking about per kg figures 88, 92. On a bike, on the flat, time trialling, it's total VO2 that's much more important. Big guys with high totals can sustain high wattage. A 60kg guy with 90 VO2 max will get his head handed to him by a 80kg guy with 80 VO2 max on a flat course. 6.4 beats 5.4, even if you've an extra 20kg!
Armstrong said in an interview after that time trial that he was going on a 53-11 - 60kph and could not match the speed of Miguel indurain... Holy mother of Epo! I know a lot of people is going to insult me and telling me that i need some "extraordinary proof" but... C´MON it's like going behind a motorbike . Definitly not natural. NOT that long!
Have you had a look at Miguel Indurain's physical data? May help to explain why he could put out 1000 watts for as long as he could. Hence why he could ride like he did.
Resting hr 40 ,bpm
LOL X-Men stuff. Boardman 1h 21min, Rominger about 1h 18m and Indurain 1h 16min destroys Boardman (one of the best time trialists of all time) by +5min wtf....
Armstrong was already doping at that time. He stated that he started doping when he was around 21. But it might be this time when he thought that he needs to crank up his doping to 11. Just a few months later he started working wot Ferrari...
Was Indurain the race leader during this TT? If so, why is he not wearing yellow?
When did Lance first use EPO? When did Indurain first use EPO?
Miguel Indurain TT was insanely fast. In my books he is the greatest rider.
But didn't Lance pass all his tests for hemocrit under 50. I think that the hemocrit vacation showed up during the Indurian years. Let me check...
That TT bike is epic by the way
Indurain never failed a drug test, compared to Lance he's squeaky clean.
Say again?
No surprise, of course. But let me tell you. Your statement is incredibly naive. This is a doctor talking to you. EPO was not detectable in urine until at least 1998. EPO could be purchased over-the-counter in Spain and Indurain got rich and famous really easily. It took Armstrong to go through testicular cancer after this era for him to understand how to micro-dose EPO so different populations of red blood cells (by maturity levels) would not show exaggerations in their proportions. Then EPO tests became a lot more sophisticated: we began to understand the magnitude of differences in red blood cell populations' maturation that indicated EPO doping, and that was the end of Armstrong and many others. Testing sophistication always lags doping innovations by a significant amount of time. I hope you remember this in the future and stop dreaming about super-humans. Long live clean sports.
@@sonofprovence Lance did test positive , but the corrupt admin let it slide , Dr Ferrari was the bio engineer that guided LA ,,and his testicular cancer was caused by roid use ,,,, heavy use
BIG MIG TOTAL POWER,,,,, AND HE CAN CLIMB WELL
At 3:16, a flip switched in Armstong's mind and the story unveiled as we now know it.
This is exactly the same thing as Kim Jong Un pressing on the Nuclear rocket launch button towards the USA. The war has begun at that moment exactly.
Just plain awesome!! Wish l were there