I remember my dad talking about this stage for a couple weeks leading up. This was probably one of my most memorable moments watching the tour. I remember being just shocked on how dense the crowd is at some points.
Armstrong’s power output on Alp d’Huez in 2004 was calculated as 495W - this was presented as a scientific paper at the ACSM congress in Nashville in 2005, It equates to 6.97 W/kg.
Yeah that's insane wattage. I've done that for 5 minutes a handful of times, Jesus how talented was he? Interestingly, compared to today's riders, he actually looks a bit fat or bulky.
armstrong states himself that training would include 30 mins at 495w for thirty mins and then his training climb would run out, his training camps used to break his team members and some had to pull out with knee issues, they were harder than racing
0kojack0 Exercise induced asthma is extremely common in endurance athletes; but they would be better off using cannabis. It actually works, unlike steroid inhalers. I can’t imagine that steroid inhalers would really provide much of a performance advantage compared to real steroids.
@@TheraPi I would only say that all the contenders and stage hunters were. But not EVERYONE everyone. Still, a shame we went through all that. And I don't know how much better things are today.
Ha, ha, ha... Armstrong wanted to catch Basso more than he wanted to cross the finish line. He didn't want that tour to end without sending a message to Basso saying, "Yeah, you stayed with me in the Pyrenees, but I could have dropped you at any time if I wanted, and here's the proof".
No ..... the real suffering was encountered by all of Lance Armstrong's victims. Everyone from Greg Lemond (Lance had Trek shut down Lemond's bike line) to the umpteen people he sued or threatened to sue for telling the truth, to the wives and girlfriends he threatened when they spoke up about concerns for long-term effects on the other riders of the doping. Lance made sure a lot of people suffered as he defended his "right" to win by cheating.
@@edkrassenstein5534 "tech"? The bikes aren't that much better, sorry. Uphill is still uphill. Now, a little motor in the frame to help churn out some watts? That would be "tech".
Armstrong,Ulrich,Basso,Pantani etc,these guys changed the world of cycling...especially the Tour de France,even people that didn`t like cycling, stoped to see the battles between these great athelets in the mountains,drugs or not, this is cycling at its best.
Wow, big crowd. Wonder how many people lined the course for this time trial? He might have been a bully and a jerk. But he still was dominating his competition in an era when all the other top contenders were doing the same thing. The playing field might have been elevated by illegal performance enhancing drugs, but he thoroughly destroyed his competition for many years when they were all on the same field.
Doing the same thing is loosely correct. I think Lance and Ferrari had Lance’s drug program dialed in so well he had an advantage even over all the others doping. They had this thing perfected. I still believe he trained harder than anyone. This isn’t all drugs but the drugs certainly did play a big role
Such a common misconception. Lance without drugs had almost no talent or biking potential. Ullrich on the other hand had almost the perfect statistics in terms of oxygen capacity, wattage, etc. Armstrong benefitted more than almost any other doper ever.
@@blackmamba3060 actually that is the misconception. For a start, , lance won the 1993 world road race championship (beating the great Miguel Indurain in the process) which was two years before he started doping. The guy was a liar and an arrogant douche bag, but to say he had ‘almost no talent or biking potential’ is just naive. Doping doesn’t magically turn you into superman, it gives you a small edge when you have otherwise reached your physical limits. You can give someone all the testosterone, HGH, THG, Corticosteroids and EPO in the world and they still wouldn’t even be able to finish a single stage without Biking talent and years of elite level training. 80-90% of the peloton was Doping during that era, including Ullrich, and many riders were on programs just as extensive as Armstrong’s , yet he still managed to utterly dominate the competition for 7 years.
Despite all the excitement of this stage, It amazes me comparing Armstrong face vs Ullrich face. You can easily see that LA is only breathing while Ullrich is struggling to keep it together. Wow.
Well....thats why its 7. 7 times! 7 times! 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times. Hey bitches...........7 times!!! 7 times and I am sure someone in at least one race could have doped in 7 years to beat him but they DIDN'T so 7 times he decided to beat everyone's ass. So 7 times they all had month's and seasons to beat him, and they didn't. So go jump off a mountain and save us your epo dung 💩 spewing.
Asanka Jayasundara Because Armstrong lost the Tours because of the doping, there were not winners of the yellow maillot, but the other maillots had a winner
Merckx ullrich pantani riis anquetil Fignon all either confessed or where caught doping and all still have titles. The main point I hear is lance was a dick to some people what a crock of shit
An American responded best to EPO because that same American trained the hardest and was the most determined to win. Remove the EPO from the race and he still likely wins.
@@elmureato2382 Sure, why wouldn't I believe it? 20 years later, we now know virtually the entire peloton was doping during those years. EPO, blood, testosterone, etc... Yet Lance came out on top anyway. So why would it be any different if they weren't doping?
@@neonnaughtsie4726he was a hyporesponder to the drugs he was taken. But I doubt it base on his natural vo2 max wasn't very high comparable to other riders in the tour.
Say what you like about this tainted era of cycling, I'd *love* to see more mountain TTs in Le Tour. Every GT gets decided by the combination of climbing skills and against-the-clock skills. Why not combine them?
Fair play for giving that power a go! I tried that climb recently and just knew i had to just go slow and try to enjoy it otherwise i would never make it up. Doubt my power numbers would be even a third of that!
Listening to Phil and Paul (RIP) gush over Armstrong....you'll never convince me those two didn't know what Armstrong was doing or that they were oblivious to what the peloton was doing too.
JD S it’s funny to hear this commentary after years and realising channel 4 must have cut out the other sponsorships. I didn’t realise until we had Ned and David with their terrible commentary that channel 4/itv bought them commentary. Another childhood memory crushed 😂
My favorite stage is 17 the next day. Armstrong tells Floyd to go win the stage but it fails. When it looks like Kloden is about to win, Lance nips him on the line. When talking about this win in an interview with Phil and Paul he says that after the Alp TT and being spit on by German fans " There was no way a German was going to win stage 17." The camera angle from the helicopter is amazing, the gap that he closes in so little time is shocking .🎉❤❤
Power developed by the riders during this climb according to Antoine Vayer: Lance Armstong : 456 watts Jan Ullrich: 441 watts Ivan Basso:438 watts Christophe Moreau:413 watts Floyd Landis:410 watts Richard Virenque: 405 watts Thomas Voeckler: 383 watts
Not exactly. It's the power a 70kg rider on an 8kg bike would have to output to do the same time as each of these riders Vayer always does it this way. All powers are normalized to a 70kg rider + 8kg bike
zcbm88 apparently Lance in this TT put out close to 7w/kg (doping of course). Pants I did similar when he set the record for the climb. Shows that Le mond and his era was before doping as I think he averaged 4w/kg for whole tour , then when lance and indurain came along, suddenly shot up to around 4.8-5w/kg for there whole tour de frances. So basically you can pinpoint the year when doping became huge
@@Tuney888 You really think someone can go anaerobic for an hour to increase his ftp power? Thats not possible. Also I'm not accusing Lemond if doping but there was definite use of steroids in the 80s. Heck even Merckx got busted for amphetamines in the 60s.
I miss these days. There was something special about being a little kid during LA's career. I waver back and forth on everything that has happened since then, but when I watch these videos I don't feel wronged. If it came out tomorrow that Bernal and the rest of the field were red hot, it'd still have been a fun tour to watch.
It's nice how back in the days Armstrong was the good example to follow, while Pantani was the drugged up bad kid. Pantani was never proved positive, while this guy was drugged up every single time. How ironic.
He was disqualified because ''somebody'' decided he needed to be. The trial is still ongoing, there are testimonies that clearly stated all was staged because of a betting racket. The morning of the disqualifying, his blood was analyzed in the same exact time it takes to perform blood aphaeresis, to increase hematocrit. In the same exact day, in just 10 hours, his hematocrit dropped from 51.9 to 47.6, which is impossible. These are FACTS proven by the various documents, data, testimonies and medical reports. The 1999 disqualifying was NOT due to drugs or enhancements
Ullrich admitted using PEDs, Basso was caught, so Lance was simply better. He used the best cadence to climb those mountains, a lot like Froome does now. Armstrong made all professional cyclists a shit ton of money.
They did dope, but not nearly as hard as the decade before. The numbers / results of the tests show that clearly. They still had to stay within the limits and pass the controls during this time. It was already less about taking substances, more about improving the own blood to carry more oxygen with illegal methods like transfusions.
It really was a great time in cycling,I was a kid in those days and remember cheering on those guys,how they climbed up the mountain was insane,today the real racers are missing in the peloton,apart from Peter Sagan maybe
slowverado bad source you have. All experts take the last 13.8km as valid time there is Pantani 36.40min or 36.50 min! And he went the wrong direction on the finish line (another about 20s). Watch climb of 1995! So About 1min faster with already about 200km in the legs against only time trial
Jan Ullrich was one of the greatest time trial cyclists. Jan Ullrich, Miguel Indurain, Fabian Cancellara and (maybe the GOAT) Sir Bradley Wiggins were the best when it was time for a time trial
Everybody thought he'd beat Pantani on this but he couldn't even beat Pantani's third best time. Insanity. And those were out on the road too, not a TT.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h 2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h 3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h 4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h 5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h 6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h 7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h 8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h 9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h 10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
@@maxw5229 are you stupid? Chris froome went up the ventoux faster than lance and Ulrich. Also guys like quintana and contador went up as fast as lance up the ventoux. Even pogacar putting out close 7.0 watts per kilo . Is really not about the speed is just time trials aren't as popular in the tour anymore.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h 2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h 3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h 4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h 5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h 6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h 7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h 8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h 9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h 10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
@@NDoraku pantani was unreal on the steep slopes. However he could have never kept up with lance through the 4 and 5 percent climbs. Jan Ulrich put a whole minute into him on the stage to Andorra arcalis
@@abone2pick No doubt! :-D Lance and Jan would also destroy Marco in a flat indivdual time trial. They would easy take 5 minutes in 50 kilometers or even more, they actually did it in 2000 Tour Prologe in Futuroscope. Jan catched him there. I just wanted to say that Marco in his absolute prime was even a class better as Jan, Lance etc. Just take their best times in Alpe d Huez: Pantani 36,40 Minutes Lance + 0,56 Minutes Jan + 1,00 Minutes
@@NDoraku yeah pantani hit close to 15 MPH up alpe d'huez 8% gradient which is just out of this world. I could average that pace on a 2% or a 3% climb at best.
@@abone2pick To be fair in the 1997 tour Pantani was coming off injuries and had issues of Bronchitis which is why he got dropped on Arcalis and Courchevel. Last 3 km of Courchevel his bronchitis subsided and he took 20 seconds a km off Ullrich and Virenque..
Often I get kind of sad, realizing Klöden was so strong in couple of Tours, but always in the Shadow of Lance. Like Jan but without the victory early. Wasn‘t there a year with Ullrich, Klöden and Vino?? BEAST-TEAM
@@FloydDiamond Haha that’s the thing about history it’s simply a cycle that repeats itself Visma really had Jonas Primoz and Kuss in the same team with a wild Van Aert as well lol
Exactly. All the morally right butthurt weekend bike riders acting like they can race if they used what Armstrong used. He would have dominated with or without 99.99999% of the world on a bike. People don't understand how hard it is until you get on a bike and try to do 10 miles around the neighborhood.
This stage really showed how different time trialing is to regular climbing. Even in fairly bad form for his standards, Jan was still 2nd and 41 seconds ahead of Klöden in 3rd
Someone one I was talking to claims some spectators were spitting on Lance and calling him a doper during this time trial. I don't see anything though, having skimmed the entire vid. Anybody have timestamps or did it not happen?
You can clearly see the difference between now and then. We have currently exceptional athletes who can't do what these doping monsters could do because they're using their bodies. Everything is better than it was before (bikes, training), yet the riders are slower. I wonder why hmmmmmmmmmmm
@@cyc00000 amateur club cyclists can't. I trained like an animal for 6 months to do this I beat my body down to sub 10% fat and did 1 hour and 9 mins and some seconds. I was too bolloxed to stop the watch.
NOTHING about modern pro cycling is as memorable as this period - drugs or no drugs. In fact, many of the bike brands and sponsors owe their currently popularity and success to this period.
Ramond Ferreal Trek owe their popularity to this era; they have not had one clean winner. Pinarello, on the other hand: Pedro Delgado, Miguel Induran (5), Oscar Pereriro, Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome (4), Geraint Thomas.
@@daffygrey Not sure any of those are clean winners either... Induran clean? Wiggins and Froome clean? Don't get me wrong, love watching all of these guys, but saying they are clean riders is a stretch.
I loved that commercial free half hour brought to me by power bar.
ummmmm, powerbar
I remember my dad talking about this stage for a couple weeks leading up. This was probably one of my most memorable moments watching the tour. I remember being just shocked on how dense the crowd is at some points.
A great stage for sure, I was watching live. I think Lance put 61 seconds or so into Ullrich that day.
and then gutted when you found out how doped they all were
Man that would be disorienting as hell riding through those crowds who open up at the last second. My eyes get crossed just watching.
lol 41:42 EPO LANCE on the ground as Lance riding by! THAT WAS DOPE!!!
thats some sharp eyes
gets better later with the message to Lance :D
I love that Greg Lemond got up before dawn that day and painted that on the road. Gotta respect that commitment.
epic climb..epic team kits..aluminium bikes and everyone juiced...great days..bring em back !!
Imagine you gave them today's equipment
@@abone2pick imagine if you gave pogacar and roglic 7 kilos of epo
Few (if any) of those bikes are alu.
@@franz009franz 7 kilos!🤣 They already on epo dummy . Pogacar puts out lance Armstrong watts on the climbs.
Bikes were carbon fiber way before 2004.
Armstrong’s power output on Alp d’Huez in 2004 was calculated as 495W - this was presented as a scientific paper at the ACSM congress in Nashville in 2005, It equates to 6.97 W/kg.
Yeah that's insane wattage. I've done that for 5 minutes a handful of times, Jesus how talented was he? Interestingly, compared to today's riders, he actually looks a bit fat or bulky.
@@cyc00000 he was off his tits, that's why!!
Drugs or no drugs I still think Armstrong was freakishly good.
Watt was he on?? Gorilla juice in his bidens?
armstrong states himself that training would include 30 mins at 495w for thirty mins and then his training climb would run out, his training camps used to break his team members and some had to pull out with knee issues, they were harder than racing
This is how all Time Trials should be no TT bikes, just riding your normal bike.
It’s not the epo that made them faster back then, it’s just that 90% of the pros these days are struggling with asthma. Poor buggers 😂
That’s funny. Lol 😆
This time trial is so dope!
Rodney Boehner epoD
0kojack0
Exercise induced asthma is extremely common in endurance athletes; but they would be better off using cannabis. It actually works, unlike steroid inhalers. I can’t imagine that steroid inhalers would really provide much of a performance advantage compared to real steroids.
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They need to do this again. this was sick .
Damn I really feel like a Power Bar after watching this
Dont forget this commercial free half hour was brought to you by powerbar!
ikr?😅
I was there! Hiked halfway up the mountain and slept out in the open. Watched Lance and Ulrich go by, close enough to touch.
@ygfghhk nah your mom is enough for him tho
I was there too half way up the mountain. Got there in the morning. He passed by within arms length. Everyone was on the road waving.
@@briangeiger9307 Too cool. There were something like a million people on the mountain that day.
@@dorseykindler9544 Were they fast? Even it was an ascent?
@@dennisn.9583 Oh yes! They were hauling ass.
Everybody crowd included was on stimulants those days holy moly!
I love that this is categorized as "comedy"
To be fair, EVERYONE was doping back then. Main goal was to have a good "doctor", and good ways of sneaking "stuff" into the team bus.
It IS comedy..:D
@@TheraPi I would only say that all the contenders and stage hunters were. But not EVERYONE everyone. Still, a shame we went through all that. And I don't know how much better things are today.
Hey asshole I would like to see you do anything even close to this,even with doping,fuckoff
Its comedy just like your bike riding! I'm sure of that......
Ha, ha, ha... Armstrong wanted to catch Basso more than he wanted to cross the finish line. He didn't want that tour to end without sending a message to Basso saying, "Yeah, you stayed with me in the Pyrenees, but I could have dropped you at any time if I wanted, and here's the proof".
We all later, how he did it
@@therighttoreply4849 basso also tested positive tho
Lol, they finish in half the time I do on Zwift
40:28 Remember this is a commercial free 1/2 hour brought to you by PowerBar, strange definition of commercial free.
Lol. Yeah, they should have called it "uninterrupted".
Sponsorship and video commercials aren't really the same thing
Legendary time trail!
Magic video, magic efforts . Who gives a crap about the politics. Best tour des france 🇫🇷 viewing the world ever saw !
Man those crowds! Drugs or no drugs, the suffering is real. These guys are beasts
You need to find a better dealer.
Paul anon 😂
It's nowhere near as hard as without drugs though lmao
No ..... the real suffering was encountered by all of Lance Armstrong's victims. Everyone from Greg Lemond (Lance had Trek shut down Lemond's bike line) to the umpteen people he sued or threatened to sue for telling the truth, to the wives and girlfriends he threatened when they spoke up about concerns for long-term effects on the other riders of the doping.
Lance made sure a lot of people suffered as he defended his "right" to win by cheating.
@@edkrassenstein5534 "tech"? The bikes aren't that much better, sorry. Uphill is still uphill. Now, a little motor in the frame to help churn out some watts? That would be "tech".
Armstrong nailed this. What a great tour.
I would love to see the power numbers, according to many estimations, Lance was pushing somwhere around 480w for the whole TT, thats amazing
Matej Burian he definitely wasn’t as light as some of today’s athletes that’s for sure
Heck yeah. Wonder if they even had meters on the bikes then. I dont think so.
I believe the calculation was 495 watts, or 6.97w/kg.
@@markmtbrider they did, Lance was training with an SRM in 2001, only the pros could afford them back then
Erm wasn’t lance cheating ? So why talk about his output you loser
46.09 "come on boys out of the sweet shop, Lance has got to get his blood transfusion"
Hahahaha fucking brilliant comment
Noone called a bike race better than Phil and Paul
bhu vidya rip paul
Bollocks, the are so boring. Liggett got most stuff wrong than Murray Walker...
Phil got made a fool off with all the drugs
@zcbm88 It makes you wonder what Phil & Paul really thought, especially when most of us knew that Lance was a doper right back in 1999 and before!!!!!
Awful commentators. Always called stuff wrong, barely knew the riders and loved talking shit.
behold a world without smart phones
41:42 EPO LANCE written on the ground :-D. He was like robot
They were right...
i saw that too! i captured a screenshot just for grins :-)
Just after that was ,"FUCK LANCE" 😂
43:20 RIP THEIR BALLS OFF LANCE. lol
Lance sucks at 41:47
Lance is a beast domination
Fraudster...
Thanks for the upload! This time trial was awesome
Armstrong,Ulrich,Basso,Pantani etc,these guys changed the world of cycling...especially the Tour de France,even people that didn`t like cycling,
stoped to see the battles between these great athelets in the mountains,drugs or not, this is cycling at its best.
fuck off these guys are drug cheats stop glorifying them
Big Jan
Very curious to see who'd win it today. Bring this back!
Wow, big crowd. Wonder how many people lined the course for this time trial? He might have been a bully and a jerk. But he still was dominating his competition in an era when all the other top contenders were doing the same thing. The playing field might have been elevated by illegal performance enhancing drugs, but he thoroughly destroyed his competition for many years when they were all on the same field.
I think they said a million. Seems a stretch.
Doing the same thing is loosely correct. I think Lance and Ferrari had Lance’s drug program dialed in so well he had an advantage even over all the others doping. They had this thing perfected. I still believe he trained harder than anyone. This isn’t all drugs but the drugs certainly did play a big role
According to the french police, between 1.2 to 1,5 million, I remember watchint it on tv
Such a common misconception. Lance without drugs had almost no talent or biking potential. Ullrich on the other hand had almost the perfect statistics in terms of oxygen capacity, wattage, etc. Armstrong benefitted more than almost any other doper ever.
@@blackmamba3060 actually that is the misconception. For a start,
, lance won the 1993 world road race championship (beating the great Miguel Indurain in the process) which was two years before he started doping.
The guy was a liar and an arrogant douche bag, but to say he had ‘almost no talent or biking potential’ is just naive. Doping doesn’t magically turn you into superman, it gives you a small edge when you have otherwise reached your physical limits. You can give someone all the testosterone, HGH, THG, Corticosteroids and EPO in the world and they still wouldn’t even be able to finish a single stage without Biking talent and years of elite level training.
80-90% of the peloton was Doping during that era, including Ullrich, and many riders were on programs just as extensive as Armstrong’s , yet he still managed to utterly dominate the competition for 7 years.
Despite all the excitement of this stage, It amazes me comparing Armstrong face vs Ullrich face. You can easily see that LA is only breathing while Ullrich is struggling to keep it together. Wow.
Yes quite true buddy... Nice comment...
Well....thats why its 7. 7 times! 7 times! 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times.
Hey bitches...........7 times!!! 7 times and I am sure someone in at least one race could have doped in 7 years to beat him but they DIDN'T so 7 times he decided to beat everyone's ass. So 7 times they all had month's and seasons to beat him, and they didn't. So go jump off a mountain and save us your epo dung 💩 spewing.
@@billbobaggins801 I only commented on their faces... Dk what you're talking about
@@KAPTOFTHEWORLD it was meant for you!!
@@billbobaggins801 oh, ok! Thanks... I love you!
This is ofcourse all 3d modelled and not real. The tour de France races from 1999-2005 Never actually happened.
Why ?????
Asanka Jayasundara Because Armstrong lost the Tours because of the doping, there were not winners of the yellow maillot, but the other maillots had a winner
Merckx ullrich pantani riis anquetil Fignon all either confessed or where caught doping and all still have titles. The main point I hear is lance was a dick to some people what a crock of shit
Michael Lam good Donald trump logic ..... you utter tool
If the winners were French, the results would have stayed in.
I love the fact that an American responded best to EPO doping.
An American responded best to EPO because that same American trained the hardest and was the most determined to win. Remove the EPO from the race and he still likely wins.
@@neonnaughtsie4726 😂😂😂 you believe this...really?
@@elmureato2382 Sure, why wouldn't I believe it? 20 years later, we now know virtually the entire peloton was doping during those years. EPO, blood, testosterone, etc... Yet Lance came out on top anyway. So why would it be any different if they weren't doping?
It's true
@@neonnaughtsie4726he was a hyporesponder to the drugs he was taken. But I doubt it base on his natural vo2 max wasn't very high comparable to other riders in the tour.
Loved the road chalk sign that said: EPO Lance. Lol!
There were several other anti-Lance messages, if you look closely.
This was the best TT. Climbing a mountain with no help.
Say what you like about this tainted era of cycling, I'd *love* to see more mountain TTs in Le Tour. Every GT gets decided by the combination of climbing skills and against-the-clock skills. Why not combine them?
It's coming This year ! La planche des belles filles on the 20th stage will be brutal (if it takes place...)
TadeI Pogachar is good with that :D
the TdF doesn't make the race as challenging as it used to be
@@AlonsoRulesyou’re clueless if you think that
he went up with a mean of 23km/u
that is just not humanly possible...
says enough.....
Fair play for giving that power a go! I tried that climb recently and just knew i had to just go slow and try to enjoy it otherwise i would never make it up. Doubt my power numbers would be even a third of that!
GOAT
9:54 get out of the way!!
Truly peak-LA, fantastic stage
Listening to Phil and Paul (RIP) gush over Armstrong....you'll never convince me those two didn't know what Armstrong was doing or that they were oblivious to what the peloton was doing too.
JD S it’s funny to hear this commentary after years and realising channel 4 must have cut out the other sponsorships. I didn’t realise until we had Ned and David with their terrible commentary that channel 4/itv bought them commentary. Another childhood memory crushed 😂
THEY KNEW.
They definitely knew. That's why it's funny how they kept talking about Lance's high cadence as if *that* was his special advantage. 😀 😀
My favorite stage is 17 the next day. Armstrong tells Floyd to go win the stage but it fails. When it looks like Kloden is about to win, Lance nips him on the line. When talking about this win in an interview with Phil and Paul he says that after the Alp TT and being spit on by German fans " There was no way a German was going to win stage 17." The camera angle from the helicopter is amazing, the gap that he closes in so little time is shocking .🎉❤❤
Power developed by the riders during this climb according to Antoine Vayer:
Lance Armstong : 456 watts
Jan Ullrich: 441 watts
Ivan Basso:438 watts
Christophe Moreau:413 watts
Floyd Landis:410 watts
Richard Virenque: 405 watts
Thomas Voeckler: 383 watts
Not exactly. It's the power a 70kg rider on an 8kg bike would have to output to do the same time as each of these riders
Vayer always does it this way. All powers are normalized to a 70kg rider + 8kg bike
Apparently Lance's actual FTP was only like 380 watts, which would make it around the 5.5 w/kg before doping
zcbm88 apparently Lance in this TT put out close to 7w/kg (doping of course). Pants I did similar when he set the record for the climb. Shows that Le mond and his era was before doping as I think he averaged 4w/kg for whole tour , then when lance and indurain came along, suddenly shot up to around 4.8-5w/kg for there whole tour de frances. So basically you can pinpoint the year when doping became huge
@@TheRushpuppie I think 380 or so was his Aerobic threshold... Not his ftp (1h power)
@@Tuney888 You really think someone can go anaerobic for an hour to increase his ftp power? Thats not possible.
Also I'm not accusing Lemond if doping but there was definite use of steroids in the 80s. Heck even Merckx got busted for amphetamines in the 60s.
I miss these days. There was something special about being a little kid during LA's career. I waver back and forth on everything that has happened since then, but when I watch these videos I don't feel wronged. If it came out tomorrow that Bernal and the rest of the field were red hot, it'd still have been a fun tour to watch.
Nope, they would be giant assholes and i'd be pissed.
@@MicroageHD than stop watching sports in general please. You will be pissed soner or later...
Back in the days of Kristin Gum. She made it all very exciting.
41mins 42 secs says it all, look on the road!
It's nice how back in the days Armstrong was the good example to follow, while Pantani was the drugged up bad kid.
Pantani was never proved positive, while this guy was drugged up every single time.
How ironic.
He was disqualified because ''somebody'' decided he needed to be.
The trial is still ongoing, there are testimonies that clearly stated all was staged because of a betting racket.
The morning of the disqualifying, his blood was analyzed in the same exact time it takes to perform blood aphaeresis, to increase hematocrit.
In the same exact day, in just 10 hours, his hematocrit dropped from 51.9 to 47.6, which is impossible.
These are FACTS proven by the various documents, data, testimonies and medical reports.
The 1999 disqualifying was NOT due to drugs or enhancements
What’s ironic is that “Never proved positive” was exactly the line Armstrong used to use. They were both as bad as each other.
Politics. Had enough of you and suddenly you are a drug chest snd your gone.
41:42; "EPO Lance" is written in chalk.
and then he rips their balls of at 43:20 :D Brilliant
Also at 39:45 says equivalent of lance yellow jersey epo....I remember watching this race as a kid and thinking shit these guys are animals
Well spotted!
Ullrich admitted using PEDs, Basso was caught, so Lance was simply better. He used the best cadence to climb those mountains, a lot like Froome does now. Armstrong made all professional cyclists a shit ton of money.
Maybe Lance’s Team wrote it there to remind him what he was on and when to kick it into gear :-)
One of the greatest stages ever!
Doped
Armstrong straight into the caravan at the finish. Not a bead of sweat on his face. Incredible what modern medicine can do
Really? I think you need to watch the video again and look at his last sprint to the line. If that's not suffering then what is?
Because a 40 min all out effort is not that big a deal. just a hard training ride. easy quick recovery
Dont care that 95% of these riders are doped up to the eyeballs, this was the most exciting era of cycling ever imo
90's were even more extrem. Time from Pantani 1995 and 1997 to alpe d'huez was way faster
They did dope, but not nearly as hard as the decade before. The numbers / results of the tests show that clearly. They still had to stay within the limits and pass the controls during this time. It was already less about taking substances, more about improving the own blood to carry more oxygen with illegal methods like transfusions.
It really was a great time in cycling,I was a kid in those days and remember cheering on those guys,how they climbed up the mountain was insane,today the real racers are missing in the peloton,apart from Peter Sagan maybe
Pantani holds the record for Alpe D'huez over Armstrong by ONE SECOND... yea, wayyyyyy faster...
slowverado bad source you have. All experts take the last 13.8km as valid time there is Pantani 36.40min or 36.50 min! And he went the wrong direction on the finish line (another about 20s). Watch climb of 1995! So About 1min faster with already about 200km in the legs against only time trial
How long was this lap??
Ulrich, basso, Armstrong... All dope riders!
I love how Ulrich has one single cadence :)
Yep...one gear for Der Kaiser...one gear to rule them all.
Jan Ullrich was one of the greatest time trial cyclists. Jan Ullrich, Miguel Indurain, Fabian Cancellara and (maybe the GOAT) Sir Bradley Wiggins were the best when it was time for a time trial
@@Luca33600 Agreed with your choice for the modern era. You missed LA, but hey, who's counting :)
Jonathan Chester oh yeah I forgot the best one
Everybody thought he'd beat Pantani on this but he couldn't even beat Pantani's third best time. Insanity. And those were out on the road too, not a TT.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
Why can't today's time trial be on these famous mountains?
Because you would see that these clean guys today hold same speeds as the juiced guys from the early '90 and '00
That would be awesome. I would like to see the mental gymnastics trying to analyze why they go faster that the epo era.
Marltiod they definitely wouldn’t be faster ...
@@maxw5229 are you stupid? Chris froome went up the ventoux faster than lance and Ulrich. Also guys like quintana and contador went up as fast as lance up the ventoux. Even pogacar putting out close 7.0 watts per kilo . Is really not about the speed is just time trials aren't as popular in the tour anymore.
They are, but it's a logistical nightmare
Ulrich doped that year too. And not the only year he did. Still got smoked.
#Proof?
Not all doping is equal... Every result from that era is just worthless.
@@MicroageHD and today they are not doping? Come on man... Medicine got better as well since than ;)
@@HollywoodModelling ulrich admitted to doping after lance came out on oprah. Look it up
@@HollywoodModelling you gotta be dumb to think someone that heavy can push almost 14 mph up alpe d huez
All on drugs, loved it
A peloton filled with super cyclists equates to entertainment. Great era of cycling.
You don't really know that for a fact do you?
The stage was dedicated to Pantani. Notice Armstrong uses a downtube shifter for the front mech - like Pantani did.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
@@NDoraku pantani was unreal on the steep slopes. However he could have never kept up with lance through the 4 and 5 percent climbs. Jan Ulrich put a whole minute into him on the stage to Andorra arcalis
@@abone2pick No doubt! :-D
Lance and Jan would also destroy Marco in a flat indivdual time trial. They would easy take 5 minutes in 50 kilometers or even more, they actually did it in 2000 Tour Prologe in Futuroscope. Jan catched him there.
I just wanted to say that Marco in his absolute prime was even a class better as Jan, Lance etc. Just take their best times in Alpe d Huez:
Pantani 36,40 Minutes
Lance + 0,56 Minutes
Jan + 1,00 Minutes
@@NDoraku yeah pantani hit close to 15 MPH up alpe d'huez 8% gradient which is just out of this world. I could average that pace on a 2% or a 3% climb at best.
@@abone2pick To be fair in the 1997 tour Pantani was coming off injuries and had issues of Bronchitis which is why he got dropped on Arcalis and Courchevel. Last 3 km of Courchevel his bronchitis subsided and he took 20 seconds a km off Ullrich and Virenque..
All without a helmet, mad lad
can we get another L'Alpe Du Huez ITT please....?
Often I get kind of sad, realizing Klöden was so strong in couple of Tours, but always in the Shadow of Lance. Like Jan but without the victory early. Wasn‘t there a year with Ullrich, Klöden and Vino?? BEAST-TEAM
Yeah the 2005 T Mobile team had all 3
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Just insane! Like having Van Art, Vingegaard and Kuss in one Te oh wait
@@FloydDiamond Haha that’s the thing about history it’s simply a cycle that repeats itself
Visma really had Jonas Primoz and Kuss in the same team with a wild Van Aert as well lol
This is the great era of cycling. No matter the drugs, it's entertainment!
Exactly. All the morally right butthurt weekend bike riders acting like they can race if they used what Armstrong used. He would have dominated with or without 99.99999% of the world on a bike. People don't understand how hard it is until you get on a bike and try to do 10 miles around the neighborhood.
Those were the days
This stage really showed how different time trialing is to regular climbing. Even in fairly bad form for his standards, Jan was still 2nd and 41 seconds ahead of Klöden in 3rd
Love this era of cycling, was the best.
cause everyone was on a shit ton of drugs haha
Sky Net you mean : the worst??? It destroyed cycling forever.
I bet this guy is an Armstrong fan...
I can watch tdf this era without skipping or fast forward.
Do you think the power meters took that away? or is it the characters on stage?
@@sicajuan both
The best
Did Lance us a single front chain ring, I only see 1 shift cable.
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i thought the same XD
It's been years since the TdF has included a TT mountain top finish.
They did one last year on stage 20. Planche Des Belles Filles TT finish
@@cornszn3058 Stand corrected, and a stage of no little consequence.
@@DASDmiser yeah still technically a mountain top finish
Anyone notice the chalk marking in the road that read ... "EPO Lance"? I wonder how long after getting off the bike before he got his shot?
@@karlmccartney3642 -- Yep, I saw that as well -- the protocol, apparently, was to shoot up immediately after the race.
portend, lol it's a verb, and has an ominous undertone. we were only 20 seconds in...
"Here is lance armstrong, pedling like you never believe"
❤️ 😂 - no we did'n believe!! 😀
Aha..and nowdays you belive or?
And then, around 19:20 or so, there's Richard Virenque.....he had his own PED use issues.
Straight into the motorhome after the stage for a quick rubdown and a blood transplant he didnt even look tired.
they say lance has adios in his helmet..but where is his helmet? did they prerecord the commentary? thatd b some cray shit
This is so inspiring. I'm gettin a donut.
Such an incredible victory for Lance! One of my favorite Tour TTs of all-time.
bestial
Someone one I was talking to claims some spectators were spitting on Lance and calling him a doper during this time trial. I don't see anything though, having skimmed the entire vid. Anybody have timestamps or did it not happen?
Ah, when we all wanted to believe.
12 year old me knew Lance was doping back then. It's a marvel how he managed to keep it secret and dope that well for so many years.
I tested positive for PED's after watching this.🤭
DOPEHEADS
Fuckin' legend.
hes a fucking asshole do some research
fuck off Jim
Fucking asshole, cheater
Armstrong is still one of the greatest ever .
And Stalin. Man, how they f@#$ed the rest of the world! Iron penises.
😆
El ciclista mas grande de la.historia
Just like bein' waterboarded....
G. Gorrell good comparison
Lance, Ullrich, Pantani, Virenque... this was the golden age. Pure excitement. And whoever believes they aren't doping in our days is naive.
Golden age of doping
You can clearly see the difference between now and then. We have currently exceptional athletes who can't do what these doping monsters could do because they're using their bodies. Everything is better than it was before (bikes, training), yet the riders are slower. I wonder why hmmmmmmmmmmm
17:45 "They are only climbing at 12.5 or 13 miles per hour". I don't know about you but I'd love to be able to climb L'Alpe du Huez at "only" 12 mph.
Get properly lean and train instead of going to work and maybe you could.
@@cyc00000
amateur club cyclists can't.
I trained like an animal for 6 months to do this I beat my body down to sub 10% fat and did 1 hour and 9 mins and some seconds. I was too bolloxed to stop the watch.
The epo is strong with this one
This video is dope .... literally.
oooh boi 😂
EPO or not. They all were very good.
The hills still needed to be climbed. In the age of doping (and every top competitor to Armstrong has admitted to doping.
Good or not he still cheated.
The doping back then was so High even I would have been tested positive
NOTHING about modern pro cycling is as memorable as this period - drugs or no drugs. In fact, many of the bike brands and sponsors owe their currently popularity and success to this period.
Ramond Ferreal Trek owe their popularity to this era; they have not had one clean winner. Pinarello, on the other hand: Pedro Delgado, Miguel Induran (5), Oscar Pereriro, Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome (4), Geraint Thomas.
Lance literally made Trek
@@daffygrey Not sure any of those are clean winners either... Induran clean? Wiggins and Froome clean? Don't get me wrong, love watching all of these guys, but saying they are clean riders is a stretch.
Wow....amazing how all those Team Sky cyclists are all clean////lmao..
Lance Hardon was about as clean as Sheryl Crow's powdered nose.
Lance King !!!
Armstrong obliterated everyone
The reason he was so good was he wouldn't share the chemicals in his biden's & lunch bags.