I remember my dad talking about this stage for a couple weeks leading up. This was probably one of my most memorable moments watching the tour. I remember being just shocked on how dense the crowd is at some points.
Armstrong’s power output on Alp d’Huez in 2004 was calculated as 495W - this was presented as a scientific paper at the ACSM congress in Nashville in 2005, It equates to 6.97 W/kg.
Yeah that's insane wattage. I've done that for 5 minutes a handful of times, Jesus how talented was he? Interestingly, compared to today's riders, he actually looks a bit fat or bulky.
armstrong states himself that training would include 30 mins at 495w for thirty mins and then his training climb would run out, his training camps used to break his team members and some had to pull out with knee issues, they were harder than racing
0kojack0 Exercise induced asthma is extremely common in endurance athletes; but they would be better off using cannabis. It actually works, unlike steroid inhalers. I can’t imagine that steroid inhalers would really provide much of a performance advantage compared to real steroids.
I miss these days. There was something special about being a little kid during LA's career. I waver back and forth on everything that has happened since then, but when I watch these videos I don't feel wronged. If it came out tomorrow that Bernal and the rest of the field were red hot, it'd still have been a fun tour to watch.
@@TheraPi I would only say that all the contenders and stage hunters were. But not EVERYONE everyone. Still, a shame we went through all that. And I don't know how much better things are today.
Armstrong,Ulrich,Basso,Pantani etc,these guys changed the world of cycling...especially the Tour de France,even people that didn`t like cycling, stoped to see the battles between these great athelets in the mountains,drugs or not, this is cycling at its best.
They did dope, but not nearly as hard as the decade before. The numbers / results of the tests show that clearly. They still had to stay within the limits and pass the controls during this time. It was already less about taking substances, more about improving the own blood to carry more oxygen with illegal methods like transfusions.
It really was a great time in cycling,I was a kid in those days and remember cheering on those guys,how they climbed up the mountain was insane,today the real racers are missing in the peloton,apart from Peter Sagan maybe
slowverado bad source you have. All experts take the last 13.8km as valid time there is Pantani 36.40min or 36.50 min! And he went the wrong direction on the finish line (another about 20s). Watch climb of 1995! So About 1min faster with already about 200km in the legs against only time trial
this was so legendary. i remember watching this as an ultrich fan and hopeing he would set a great time. ulrich came to the first checkpoint and i was so happy. 30s ahead of everybody. then armstrong came. i couldn't believe my eyes. he was another 40 ahead of ulrich. armstrong is the greatest ever. so dominating. so perfect. idc he took drugs. so did everyone else in this era. he stomped them regardless.
Ha, ha, ha... Armstrong wanted to catch Basso more than he wanted to cross the finish line. He didn't want that tour to end without sending a message to Basso saying, "Yeah, you stayed with me in the Pyrenees, but I could have dropped you at any time if I wanted, and here's the proof".
@@jmurphy3350Tadej been putting up quicker climb times than Lance and the dope era all year. Not to mention dude just went Giro/Tour double winning 6 stages in both races but people act like he's clean too. He never breathes hard and is always able to attack or answer no matter what
If he kept a low profile and didn't constantly go after people or publicly attack the cycling authorities all the time he might well have gotten away with it. The problem he had is he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
@@spooksy1982.... and he couldn't help but not *just* win but to absolutely win by huge margins, destroy all records (alpe huez etc) and being a menace in the peloton bullying. How much money did greg lamond lose not being used in advertisements as USA true cycling champ? Armstrong ruined a lot fueled by his burning narcissism
Exactly. All the morally right butthurt weekend bike riders acting like they can race if they used what Armstrong used. He would have dominated with or without 99.99999% of the world on a bike. People don't understand how hard it is until you get on a bike and try to do 10 miles around the neighborhood.
You can clearly see the difference between now and then. We have currently exceptional athletes who can't do what these doping monsters could do because they're using their bodies. Everything is better than it was before (bikes, training), yet the riders are slower. I wonder why hmmmmmmmmmmm
No ..... the real suffering was encountered by all of Lance Armstrong's victims. Everyone from Greg Lemond (Lance had Trek shut down Lemond's bike line) to the umpteen people he sued or threatened to sue for telling the truth, to the wives and girlfriends he threatened when they spoke up about concerns for long-term effects on the other riders of the doping. Lance made sure a lot of people suffered as he defended his "right" to win by cheating.
@@edkrassenstein5534 "tech"? The bikes aren't that much better, sorry. Uphill is still uphill. Now, a little motor in the frame to help churn out some watts? That would be "tech".
Despite all the excitement of this stage, It amazes me comparing Armstrong face vs Ullrich face. You can easily see that LA is only breathing while Ullrich is struggling to keep it together. Wow.
Well....thats why its 7. 7 times! 7 times! 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times. Hey bitches...........7 times!!! 7 times and I am sure someone in at least one race could have doped in 7 years to beat him but they DIDN'T so 7 times he decided to beat everyone's ass. So 7 times they all had month's and seasons to beat him, and they didn't. So go jump off a mountain and save us your epo dung 💩 spewing.
It was a dirty time and many were dirty. Lance outdid everyone. No one talked about the training behind the performance, just the juice. He should have been able to keep the jerseys. We seem to forgive and forget many others. All things considered, he was better than anyone at the time. Miss those days!
This stage really showed how different time trialing is to regular climbing. Even in fairly bad form for his standards, Jan was still 2nd and 41 seconds ahead of Klöden in 3rd
An American responded best to EPO because that same American trained the hardest and was the most determined to win. Remove the EPO from the race and he still likely wins.
@@elmureato2382 Sure, why wouldn't I believe it? 20 years later, we now know virtually the entire peloton was doping during those years. EPO, blood, testosterone, etc... Yet Lance came out on top anyway. So why would it be any different if they weren't doping?
@@neonnaughtsie4726he was a hyporesponder to the drugs he was taken. But I doubt it base on his natural vo2 max wasn't very high comparable to other riders in the tour.
Wow, big crowd. Wonder how many people lined the course for this time trial? He might have been a bully and a jerk. But he still was dominating his competition in an era when all the other top contenders were doing the same thing. The playing field might have been elevated by illegal performance enhancing drugs, but he thoroughly destroyed his competition for many years when they were all on the same field.
Doing the same thing is loosely correct. I think Lance and Ferrari had Lance’s drug program dialed in so well he had an advantage even over all the others doping. They had this thing perfected. I still believe he trained harder than anyone. This isn’t all drugs but the drugs certainly did play a big role
Such a common misconception. Lance without drugs had almost no talent or biking potential. Ullrich on the other hand had almost the perfect statistics in terms of oxygen capacity, wattage, etc. Armstrong benefitted more than almost any other doper ever.
@@blackmamba3060 actually that is the misconception. For a start, , lance won the 1993 world road race championship (beating the great Miguel Indurain in the process) which was two years before he started doping. The guy was a liar and an arrogant douche bag, but to say he had ‘almost no talent or biking potential’ is just naive. Doping doesn’t magically turn you into superman, it gives you a small edge when you have otherwise reached your physical limits. You can give someone all the testosterone, HGH, THG, Corticosteroids and EPO in the world and they still wouldn’t even be able to finish a single stage without Biking talent and years of elite level training. 80-90% of the peloton was Doping during that era, including Ullrich, and many riders were on programs just as extensive as Armstrong’s , yet he still managed to utterly dominate the competition for 7 years.
Say what you like about this tainted era of cycling, I'd *love* to see more mountain TTs in Le Tour. Every GT gets decided by the combination of climbing skills and against-the-clock skills. Why not combine them?
Jan Ullrich was one of the greatest time trial cyclists. Jan Ullrich, Miguel Indurain, Fabian Cancellara and (maybe the GOAT) Sir Bradley Wiggins were the best when it was time for a time trial
I was living in Etampes France when Lance was doing the Tour de France and I love it. I got to see him in person. My family heated him and calling him a drugie but Lance still beat them all anyway AND found out that the whole tour was on Drugs as well....So, He still beat the best, Drugs or no Drugs Lanc is still the Best. Such a sad state of affairs, kind of like Pet Rose, that great ballplayer didn't deserve all the punishment that he got.
Listening to Phil and Paul (RIP) gush over Armstrong....you'll never convince me those two didn't know what Armstrong was doing or that they were oblivious to what the peloton was doing too.
JD S it’s funny to hear this commentary after years and realising channel 4 must have cut out the other sponsorships. I didn’t realise until we had Ned and David with their terrible commentary that channel 4/itv bought them commentary. Another childhood memory crushed 😂
My favorite stage is 17 the next day. Armstrong tells Floyd to go win the stage but it fails. When it looks like Kloden is about to win, Lance nips him on the line. When talking about this win in an interview with Phil and Paul he says that after the Alp TT and being spit on by German fans " There was no way a German was going to win stage 17." The camera angle from the helicopter is amazing, the gap that he closes in so little time is shocking .🎉❤❤
Everybody thought he'd beat Pantani on this but he couldn't even beat Pantani's third best time. Insanity. And those were out on the road too, not a TT.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h 2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h 3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h 4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h 5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h 6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h 7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h 8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h 9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h 10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
Power developed by the riders during this climb according to Antoine Vayer: Lance Armstong : 456 watts Jan Ullrich: 441 watts Ivan Basso:438 watts Christophe Moreau:413 watts Floyd Landis:410 watts Richard Virenque: 405 watts Thomas Voeckler: 383 watts
Not exactly. It's the power a 70kg rider on an 8kg bike would have to output to do the same time as each of these riders Vayer always does it this way. All powers are normalized to a 70kg rider + 8kg bike
zcbm88 apparently Lance in this TT put out close to 7w/kg (doping of course). Pants I did similar when he set the record for the climb. Shows that Le mond and his era was before doping as I think he averaged 4w/kg for whole tour , then when lance and indurain came along, suddenly shot up to around 4.8-5w/kg for there whole tour de frances. So basically you can pinpoint the year when doping became huge
@@Tuney888 You really think someone can go anaerobic for an hour to increase his ftp power? Thats not possible. Also I'm not accusing Lemond if doping but there was definite use of steroids in the 80s. Heck even Merckx got busted for amphetamines in the 60s.
If drugs are not involved the current Covid era with all the new exciting young winners and prospects has me salivating for what's to come in the near future. The world's greatest cheats videos should be banished and forgotten.
Fair play for giving that power a go! I tried that climb recently and just knew i had to just go slow and try to enjoy it otherwise i would never make it up. Doubt my power numbers would be even a third of that!
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h 2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h 3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h 4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h 5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h 6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h 7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h 8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h 9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h 10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
@@NDoraku pantani was unreal on the steep slopes. However he could have never kept up with lance through the 4 and 5 percent climbs. Jan Ulrich put a whole minute into him on the stage to Andorra arcalis
@@abone2pick No doubt! :-D Lance and Jan would also destroy Marco in a flat indivdual time trial. They would easy take 5 minutes in 50 kilometers or even more, they actually did it in 2000 Tour Prologe in Futuroscope. Jan catched him there. I just wanted to say that Marco in his absolute prime was even a class better as Jan, Lance etc. Just take their best times in Alpe d Huez: Pantani 36,40 Minutes Lance + 0,56 Minutes Jan + 1,00 Minutes
@@NDoraku yeah pantani hit close to 15 MPH up alpe d'huez 8% gradient which is just out of this world. I could average that pace on a 2% or a 3% climb at best.
@@abone2pick To be fair in the 1997 tour Pantani was coming off injuries and had issues of Bronchitis which is why he got dropped on Arcalis and Courchevel. Last 3 km of Courchevel his bronchitis subsided and he took 20 seconds a km off Ullrich and Virenque..
NOTHING about modern pro cycling is as memorable as this period - drugs or no drugs. In fact, many of the bike brands and sponsors owe their currently popularity and success to this period.
Ramond Ferreal Trek owe their popularity to this era; they have not had one clean winner. Pinarello, on the other hand: Pedro Delgado, Miguel Induran (5), Oscar Pereriro, Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome (4), Geraint Thomas.
@@daffygrey Not sure any of those are clean winners either... Induran clean? Wiggins and Froome clean? Don't get me wrong, love watching all of these guys, but saying they are clean riders is a stretch.
Tour de France have 200 million tv watchers every stage! And crazy cycling fans 21xtimes=4 billion tv watchers! Not True the truth is 200 million not 4 billion! Italy have only 100000 cyclist! France have 100000 cyclist! Football Soccer have 250 million players! Football Soccer have 4 billion fans around the world! Cricket have 2,5 billion fans around the world! Time trials only stages how we can calculeted how good these over-rated cyclists are Really! Doper Jacques Anquetil rode weak poor hour record 46159 meters in 1957! Kuts run 13:35 5000 meters in 1957! Kuts closer 46,8km shape! Doper Franseco Moser build better bike than others and rode weak hour record 51151 meters in 1984! If Moser was a 10000 meter runner the result 27:45 and World record was 27:13! Anquetil Armstrong Vinegaard Indurain beat 195 riders minutes shows how bad 195 riders of 200 riders are Really! No science data proof backs this lie probaganda the pro doping cyclists are the toughest and Best! Stop this lame trash lie probaganda the pro doing cyclist are the toughest!!
Armstrong, Basso, Pantani, Ulrich and the rest ALL gave the sport their very best. BEFORE computers, power meters, aero everything. I love the sport and realize shit changes BUTT Fur FUCKS sake MAHN!!! Let’s see some EPIC DUELS AGAIN!!!! All out Sagan style to the finish!
Ullrich admitted using PEDs, Basso was caught, so Lance was simply better. He used the best cadence to climb those mountains, a lot like Froome does now. Armstrong made all professional cyclists a shit ton of money.
He is indeed not the same man in time trials. 38:26 deactivation of the motor before overtaking Basso, 39:56 reactivation of the motor after overtaking Basso.
The second Lance was catching Basso he reaches to his seat post to turn off the motor in his bike. And you can see he finds it much harder to distance Basso for a period. He then again reaches for his seat post switches the motor back on and just crushes Basso.
@@maxw5229 are you stupid? Chris froome went up the ventoux faster than lance and Ulrich. Also guys like quintana and contador went up as fast as lance up the ventoux. Even pogacar putting out close 7.0 watts per kilo . Is really not about the speed is just time trials aren't as popular in the tour anymore.
Wow. How incredible was Armstrong! Just imagine how fast he would of been if he didn’t have to spend all that time swapping out his blood before each stage.
@@cyc00000 amateur club cyclists can't. I trained like an animal for 6 months to do this I beat my body down to sub 10% fat and did 1 hour and 9 mins and some seconds. I was too bolloxed to stop the watch.
Often I get kind of sad, realizing Klöden was so strong in couple of Tours, but always in the Shadow of Lance. Like Jan but without the victory early. Wasn‘t there a year with Ullrich, Klöden and Vino?? BEAST-TEAM
@@FloydDiamond Haha that’s the thing about history it’s simply a cycle that repeats itself Visma really had Jonas Primoz and Kuss in the same team with a wild Van Aert as well lol
It's nice how back in the days Armstrong was the good example to follow, while Pantani was the drugged up bad kid. Pantani was never proved positive, while this guy was drugged up every single time. How ironic.
He was disqualified because ''somebody'' decided he needed to be. The trial is still ongoing, there are testimonies that clearly stated all was staged because of a betting racket. The morning of the disqualifying, his blood was analyzed in the same exact time it takes to perform blood aphaeresis, to increase hematocrit. In the same exact day, in just 10 hours, his hematocrit dropped from 51.9 to 47.6, which is impossible. These are FACTS proven by the various documents, data, testimonies and medical reports. The 1999 disqualifying was NOT due to drugs or enhancements
I don’t care what anyone else says about Lance Armstrong. Drugs or no drigs......he was the best. If everyone there was legitimately clean, Lance would have won. Instead everyone was doping and he won. Personally I don’t hold the epo as a characterization assassination of Lance as a cyclist. I could take all the steroids in the world, all the epo in the world and I would NOT even qualify for the Tour de France. Ped’s don’t automatically create world champions. World champions are born not created. I find it distasteful and overstepping that he was stripped of his 7x TDF yellow jerseys and even more distasteful and overstepping that his name is not even mentioned in today’s TDF. Nothing but love and respect to lance. Screw all the haters. How much do we have to embarrass, humiliate, and stomp on one human being. The pain in his own heart is clearly sharper than anyone’s. Let the man breathe for the love of god. Better yet.....reinstate his 7x TDF wins and allow him to stop hanging his head in shame. He used PED’s. That’s it. All those bitches that rode with him that are crying about how tough and unfair lance was to them when they were teammates or even more embarrassing those spineless lames that let their wives do all the talking and finger pointing for them. Laughable. Lance had one ball and he was more of a man then all of them. Now that’s laughable.
The only problem about Amstrong is that he was 7x champ and has confessed that he took drugs. This is not about hatred or something. TDF has no choice but to get rid of his trace as he himself clearly admitted it. What else can they do at this point ?
Vinegaard and Pogacar go faster than Lance Armstrong today! And they are claiming we are so clean! Totally clean cyclist would lose 4 minutes Armstrong 60 minutes time trial! Time trials only stages how we can calculeted how good these over-rated cyclists are Really! Doper Jacques Anquetil rode weak poor hour record 46159 meters in 1957! Kuts run 13:35 minutes 5000 meters in 1957! Kuts closer 46,8km shape! Doper Franseco Moser build better bike than others and rode weak hour record 51151 meters in 1984! If Moser was a 10000 meter runner the result 27:45 and World record was 27:13! Indurain Vinegaard Anquetil Armstrong beat 195 riders many minutes of 200 riders! That show how bad 195 riders are Really! No science data proof backs this lie The cyclists are the toughest and Best! France have only 100000 cyclists! Italy have only 100000 cyclists! Stop this lame trash lie probaganda the pro doping cyclists are the toughest and Best!
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I remember my dad talking about this stage for a couple weeks leading up. This was probably one of my most memorable moments watching the tour. I remember being just shocked on how dense the crowd is at some points.
A great stage for sure, I was watching live. I think Lance put 61 seconds or so into Ullrich that day.
and then gutted when you found out how doped they all were
Not only was it great to re-live the Ullrich-Armstrong rivalry, but also to hear the legendary commentary team of Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen.
Yes love them , if Jan had the story and support behind him he may have worked out harder, we will never know what could have been
Armstrong’s power output on Alp d’Huez in 2004 was calculated as 495W - this was presented as a scientific paper at the ACSM congress in Nashville in 2005, It equates to 6.97 W/kg.
Yeah that's insane wattage. I've done that for 5 minutes a handful of times, Jesus how talented was he? Interestingly, compared to today's riders, he actually looks a bit fat or bulky.
@@cyc00000 he was off his tits, that's why!!
Drugs or no drugs I still think Armstrong was freakishly good.
Watt was he on?? Gorilla juice in his bidens?
armstrong states himself that training would include 30 mins at 495w for thirty mins and then his training climb would run out, his training camps used to break his team members and some had to pull out with knee issues, they were harder than racing
No helmets, aluminum frames, steroids, no crowd barriers. THE days
🤣😂🤣😂 Armstrong was a junkie rat!
Trek was using carbon by then.
EPO, not steroids. It's still in fashion. Micro-dosing EPO is the new hotel room transfusion.
Thanks for the upload! This time trial was awesome
Magic video, magic efforts . Who gives a crap about the politics. Best tour des france 🇫🇷 viewing the world ever saw !
I was there! Hiked halfway up the mountain and slept out in the open. Watched Lance and Ulrich go by, close enough to touch.
@ygfghhk nah your mom is enough for him tho
I was there too half way up the mountain. Got there in the morning. He passed by within arms length. Everyone was on the road waving.
@@briangeiger9307 Too cool. There were something like a million people on the mountain that day.
@@dorseykindler9544 Were they fast? Even it was an ascent?
@@dennisn.9583 Oh yes! They were hauling ass.
It’s not the epo that made them faster back then, it’s just that 90% of the pros these days are struggling with asthma. Poor buggers 😂
That’s funny. Lol 😆
This time trial is so dope!
Rodney Boehner epoD
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Exercise induced asthma is extremely common in endurance athletes; but they would be better off using cannabis. It actually works, unlike steroid inhalers. I can’t imagine that steroid inhalers would really provide much of a performance advantage compared to real steroids.
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I miss these days. There was something special about being a little kid during LA's career. I waver back and forth on everything that has happened since then, but when I watch these videos I don't feel wronged. If it came out tomorrow that Bernal and the rest of the field were red hot, it'd still have been a fun tour to watch.
Nope, they would be giant assholes and i'd be pissed.
@@MicroageHD than stop watching sports in general please. You will be pissed soner or later...
I love that this is categorized as "comedy"
To be fair, EVERYONE was doping back then. Main goal was to have a good "doctor", and good ways of sneaking "stuff" into the team bus.
It IS comedy..:D
@@TheraPi I would only say that all the contenders and stage hunters were. But not EVERYONE everyone. Still, a shame we went through all that. And I don't know how much better things are today.
Hey asshole I would like to see you do anything even close to this,even with doping,fuckoff
Its comedy just like your bike riding! I'm sure of that......
Armstrong,Ulrich,Basso,Pantani etc,these guys changed the world of cycling...especially the Tour de France,even people that didn`t like cycling,
stoped to see the battles between these great athelets in the mountains,drugs or not, this is cycling at its best.
fuck off these guys are drug cheats stop glorifying them
Dont care that 95% of these riders are doped up to the eyeballs, this was the most exciting era of cycling ever imo
90's were even more extrem. Time from Pantani 1995 and 1997 to alpe d'huez was way faster
They did dope, but not nearly as hard as the decade before. The numbers / results of the tests show that clearly. They still had to stay within the limits and pass the controls during this time. It was already less about taking substances, more about improving the own blood to carry more oxygen with illegal methods like transfusions.
It really was a great time in cycling,I was a kid in those days and remember cheering on those guys,how they climbed up the mountain was insane,today the real racers are missing in the peloton,apart from Peter Sagan maybe
Pantani holds the record for Alpe D'huez over Armstrong by ONE SECOND... yea, wayyyyyy faster...
slowverado bad source you have. All experts take the last 13.8km as valid time there is Pantani 36.40min or 36.50 min! And he went the wrong direction on the finish line (another about 20s). Watch climb of 1995! So About 1min faster with already about 200km in the legs against only time trial
Damn I really feel like a Power Bar after watching this
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ikr?😅
this was so legendary. i remember watching this as an ultrich fan and hopeing he would set a great time.
ulrich came to the first checkpoint and i was so happy. 30s ahead of everybody.
then armstrong came. i couldn't believe my eyes. he was another 40 ahead of ulrich.
armstrong is the greatest ever. so dominating. so perfect.
idc he took drugs. so did everyone else in this era. he stomped them regardless.
Lance was so fast he had to break going UP HILL WTF
Man that would be disorienting as hell riding through those crowds who open up at the last second. My eyes get crossed just watching.
Makes my blood boil just looking at it.
Ha, ha, ha... Armstrong wanted to catch Basso more than he wanted to cross the finish line. He didn't want that tour to end without sending a message to Basso saying, "Yeah, you stayed with me in the Pyrenees, but I could have dropped you at any time if I wanted, and here's the proof".
We all later, how he did it
@@therighttoreply4849 basso also tested positive tho
Armstrong nailed this. What a great tour.
They need to do this again. this was sick .
They can’t do it again because if anyone goes quicker than any of these guys they’ll say they’re doped. Nobody wants that label.
@@jmurphy3350Tadej been putting up quicker climb times than Lance and the dope era all year. Not to mention dude just went Giro/Tour double winning 6 stages in both races but people act like he's clean too. He never breathes hard and is always able to attack or answer no matter what
epic climb..epic team kits..aluminium bikes and everyone juiced...great days..bring em back !!
Imagine you gave them today's equipment
@@abone2pick imagine if you gave pogacar and roglic 7 kilos of epo
Few (if any) of those bikes are alu.
@@franz009franz 7 kilos!🤣 They already on epo dummy . Pogacar puts out lance Armstrong watts on the climbs.
Bikes were carbon fiber way before 2004.
Everybody crowd included was on stimulants those days holy moly!
Lance Armstrong should have kept his titles as everyone doped back then. He was truly the best of the lot. It is just unfair.
Thats true. Agassi admitted to having doped and did not lose any title
Nope. He took it to another level. Blood transfusions on the course. He cheated the MOST.
If he kept a low profile and didn't constantly go after people or publicly attack the cycling authorities all the time he might well have gotten away with it. The problem he had is he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
@@spooksy1982.... and he couldn't help but not *just* win but to absolutely win by huge margins, destroy all records (alpe huez etc) and being a menace in the peloton bullying. How much money did greg lamond lose not being used in advertisements as USA true cycling champ? Armstrong ruined a lot fueled by his burning narcissism
Dan D yeah true story - that probably didn’t help either 😂
This is the great era of cycling. No matter the drugs, it's entertainment!
Exactly. All the morally right butthurt weekend bike riders acting like they can race if they used what Armstrong used. He would have dominated with or without 99.99999% of the world on a bike. People don't understand how hard it is until you get on a bike and try to do 10 miles around the neighborhood.
40:28 Remember this is a commercial free 1/2 hour brought to you by PowerBar, strange definition of commercial free.
Lol. Yeah, they should have called it "uninterrupted".
Sponsorship and video commercials aren't really the same thing
Legendary time trail!
Lance, Ullrich, Pantani, Virenque... this was the golden age. Pure excitement. And whoever believes they aren't doping in our days is naive.
Golden age of doping
You can clearly see the difference between now and then. We have currently exceptional athletes who can't do what these doping monsters could do because they're using their bodies. Everything is better than it was before (bikes, training), yet the riders are slower. I wonder why hmmmmmmmmmmm
Man those crowds! Drugs or no drugs, the suffering is real. These guys are beasts
You need to find a better dealer.
Paul anon 😂
It's nowhere near as hard as without drugs though lmao
No ..... the real suffering was encountered by all of Lance Armstrong's victims. Everyone from Greg Lemond (Lance had Trek shut down Lemond's bike line) to the umpteen people he sued or threatened to sue for telling the truth, to the wives and girlfriends he threatened when they spoke up about concerns for long-term effects on the other riders of the doping.
Lance made sure a lot of people suffered as he defended his "right" to win by cheating.
@@edkrassenstein5534 "tech"? The bikes aren't that much better, sorry. Uphill is still uphill. Now, a little motor in the frame to help churn out some watts? That would be "tech".
I would love to see the power numbers, according to many estimations, Lance was pushing somwhere around 480w for the whole TT, thats amazing
Matej Burian he definitely wasn’t as light as some of today’s athletes that’s for sure
Heck yeah. Wonder if they even had meters on the bikes then. I dont think so.
I believe the calculation was 495 watts, or 6.97w/kg.
@@markmtbrider they did, Lance was training with an SRM in 2001, only the pros could afford them back then
Erm wasn’t lance cheating ? So why talk about his output you loser
behold a world without smart phones
Despite all the excitement of this stage, It amazes me comparing Armstrong face vs Ullrich face. You can easily see that LA is only breathing while Ullrich is struggling to keep it together. Wow.
Yes quite true buddy... Nice comment...
Well....thats why its 7. 7 times! 7 times! 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times.
Hey bitches...........7 times!!! 7 times and I am sure someone in at least one race could have doped in 7 years to beat him but they DIDN'T so 7 times he decided to beat everyone's ass. So 7 times they all had month's and seasons to beat him, and they didn't. So go jump off a mountain and save us your epo dung 💩 spewing.
@@billbobaggins801 I only commented on their faces... Dk what you're talking about
@@KAPTOFTHEWORLD it was meant for you!!
@@billbobaggins801 oh, ok! Thanks... I love you!
Armstrong straight into the caravan at the finish. Not a bead of sweat on his face. Incredible what modern medicine can do
Really? I think you need to watch the video again and look at his last sprint to the line. If that's not suffering then what is?
Because a 40 min all out effort is not that big a deal. just a hard training ride. easy quick recovery
This was the best TT. Climbing a mountain with no help.
Noone called a bike race better than Phil and Paul
bhu vidya rip paul
Bollocks, the are so boring. Liggett got most stuff wrong than Murray Walker...
Phil got made a fool off with all the drugs
@zcbm88 It makes you wonder what Phil & Paul really thought, especially when most of us knew that Lance was a doper right back in 1999 and before!!!!!
Awful commentators. Always called stuff wrong, barely knew the riders and loved talking shit.
Love this era of cycling, was the best.
cause everyone was on a shit ton of drugs haha
Sky Net you mean : the worst??? It destroyed cycling forever.
I bet this guy is an Armstrong fan...
It was a dirty time and many were dirty. Lance outdid everyone. No one talked about the training behind the performance, just the juice. He should have been able to keep the jerseys. We seem to forgive and forget many others. All things considered, he was better than anyone at the time. Miss those days!
Such an incredible victory for Lance! One of my favorite Tour TTs of all-time.
Lol, they finish in half the time I do on Zwift
lol 41:42 EPO LANCE on the ground as Lance riding by! THAT WAS DOPE!!!
thats some sharp eyes
gets better later with the message to Lance :D
I love that Greg Lemond got up before dawn that day and painted that on the road. Gotta respect that commitment.
There was one that said Lance is on Sauce
MR. Kox!
The product of the chemistry industrie of usa.
One of the greatest stages ever!
This is how all Time Trials should be no TT bikes, just riding your normal bike.
Truly peak-LA, fantastic stage
This stage really showed how different time trialing is to regular climbing. Even in fairly bad form for his standards, Jan was still 2nd and 41 seconds ahead of Klöden in 3rd
I love the fact that an American responded best to EPO doping.
An American responded best to EPO because that same American trained the hardest and was the most determined to win. Remove the EPO from the race and he still likely wins.
@@neonnaughtsie4726 😂😂😂 you believe this...really?
@@elmureato2382 Sure, why wouldn't I believe it? 20 years later, we now know virtually the entire peloton was doping during those years. EPO, blood, testosterone, etc... Yet Lance came out on top anyway. So why would it be any different if they weren't doping?
It's true
@@neonnaughtsie4726he was a hyporesponder to the drugs he was taken. But I doubt it base on his natural vo2 max wasn't very high comparable to other riders in the tour.
Very curious to see who'd win it today. Bring this back!
Wow, big crowd. Wonder how many people lined the course for this time trial? He might have been a bully and a jerk. But he still was dominating his competition in an era when all the other top contenders were doing the same thing. The playing field might have been elevated by illegal performance enhancing drugs, but he thoroughly destroyed his competition for many years when they were all on the same field.
I think they said a million. Seems a stretch.
Doing the same thing is loosely correct. I think Lance and Ferrari had Lance’s drug program dialed in so well he had an advantage even over all the others doping. They had this thing perfected. I still believe he trained harder than anyone. This isn’t all drugs but the drugs certainly did play a big role
According to the french police, between 1.2 to 1,5 million, I remember watchint it on tv
Such a common misconception. Lance without drugs had almost no talent or biking potential. Ullrich on the other hand had almost the perfect statistics in terms of oxygen capacity, wattage, etc. Armstrong benefitted more than almost any other doper ever.
@@blackmamba3060 actually that is the misconception. For a start,
, lance won the 1993 world road race championship (beating the great Miguel Indurain in the process) which was two years before he started doping.
The guy was a liar and an arrogant douche bag, but to say he had ‘almost no talent or biking potential’ is just naive. Doping doesn’t magically turn you into superman, it gives you a small edge when you have otherwise reached your physical limits. You can give someone all the testosterone, HGH, THG, Corticosteroids and EPO in the world and they still wouldn’t even be able to finish a single stage without Biking talent and years of elite level training.
80-90% of the peloton was Doping during that era, including Ullrich, and many riders were on programs just as extensive as Armstrong’s , yet he still managed to utterly dominate the competition for 7 years.
Say what you like about this tainted era of cycling, I'd *love* to see more mountain TTs in Le Tour. Every GT gets decided by the combination of climbing skills and against-the-clock skills. Why not combine them?
It's coming This year ! La planche des belles filles on the 20th stage will be brutal (if it takes place...)
TadeI Pogachar is good with that :D
the TdF doesn't make the race as challenging as it used to be
@@AlonsoRulesyou’re clueless if you think that
I love how Ulrich has one single cadence :)
Jan Ullrich was one of the greatest time trial cyclists. Jan Ullrich, Miguel Indurain, Fabian Cancellara and (maybe the GOAT) Sir Bradley Wiggins were the best when it was time for a time trial
@@Luca33600 Agreed with your choice for the modern era. You missed LA, but hey, who's counting :)
Jonathan Chester oh yeah I forgot the best one
Lance is a beast domination
Fraudster...
I was living in Etampes France when Lance was doing the Tour de France and I love it. I got to see him in person. My family heated him and calling him a drugie but Lance still beat them all anyway AND found out that the whole tour was on Drugs as well....So, He still beat the best, Drugs or no Drugs Lanc is still the Best. Such a sad state of affairs, kind of like Pet Rose, that great ballplayer didn't deserve all the punishment that he got.
Listening to Phil and Paul (RIP) gush over Armstrong....you'll never convince me those two didn't know what Armstrong was doing or that they were oblivious to what the peloton was doing too.
JD S it’s funny to hear this commentary after years and realising channel 4 must have cut out the other sponsorships. I didn’t realise until we had Ned and David with their terrible commentary that channel 4/itv bought them commentary. Another childhood memory crushed 😂
THEY KNEW.
They definitely knew. That's why it's funny how they kept talking about Lance's high cadence as if *that* was his special advantage. 😀 😀
My favorite stage is 17 the next day. Armstrong tells Floyd to go win the stage but it fails. When it looks like Kloden is about to win, Lance nips him on the line. When talking about this win in an interview with Phil and Paul he says that after the Alp TT and being spit on by German fans " There was no way a German was going to win stage 17." The camera angle from the helicopter is amazing, the gap that he closes in so little time is shocking .🎉❤❤
Best Lance moment ever imo
Everybody thought he'd beat Pantani on this but he couldn't even beat Pantani's third best time. Insanity. And those were out on the road too, not a TT.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
Power developed by the riders during this climb according to Antoine Vayer:
Lance Armstong : 456 watts
Jan Ullrich: 441 watts
Ivan Basso:438 watts
Christophe Moreau:413 watts
Floyd Landis:410 watts
Richard Virenque: 405 watts
Thomas Voeckler: 383 watts
Not exactly. It's the power a 70kg rider on an 8kg bike would have to output to do the same time as each of these riders
Vayer always does it this way. All powers are normalized to a 70kg rider + 8kg bike
Apparently Lance's actual FTP was only like 380 watts, which would make it around the 5.5 w/kg before doping
zcbm88 apparently Lance in this TT put out close to 7w/kg (doping of course). Pants I did similar when he set the record for the climb. Shows that Le mond and his era was before doping as I think he averaged 4w/kg for whole tour , then when lance and indurain came along, suddenly shot up to around 4.8-5w/kg for there whole tour de frances. So basically you can pinpoint the year when doping became huge
@@TheRushpuppie I think 380 or so was his Aerobic threshold... Not his ftp (1h power)
@@Tuney888 You really think someone can go anaerobic for an hour to increase his ftp power? Thats not possible.
Also I'm not accusing Lemond if doping but there was definite use of steroids in the 80s. Heck even Merckx got busted for amphetamines in the 60s.
he went up with a mean of 23km/u
that is just not humanly possible...
says enough.....
All of y'all saying LA won because of EPO and only EPO... Tell me your favorite cyclist of this era and let's see what they did
41:42 EPO LANCE written on the ground :-D. He was like robot
They were right...
i saw that too! i captured a screenshot just for grins :-)
Just after that was ,"FUCK LANCE" 😂
43:20 RIP THEIR BALLS OFF LANCE. lol
Lance sucks at 41:47
So good that now people aren't allowed to stand so close these days... I hate that so much...
allez omi opi! 😅
If drugs are not involved the current Covid era with all the new exciting young winners and prospects has me salivating for what's to come in the near future. The world's greatest cheats videos should be banished and forgotten.
It's been years since the TdF has included a TT mountain top finish.
They did one last year on stage 20. Planche Des Belles Filles TT finish
@@cornszn3058 Stand corrected, and a stage of no little consequence.
@@DASDmiser yeah still technically a mountain top finish
Brings back memories..awesome stage
I prefer these days with Pogacar and Vingengard
So do I🎉🎉🎉🎉
Fair play for giving that power a go! I tried that climb recently and just knew i had to just go slow and try to enjoy it otherwise i would never make it up. Doubt my power numbers would be even a third of that!
The stage was dedicated to Pantani. Notice Armstrong uses a downtube shifter for the front mech - like Pantani did.
1. 1995: 36:40 Marco Pantani 22.58 km/h
2. 1997: 36:53 Marco Pantani 22.45 km/h
3. 1994: 37:15 Marco Pantani 22.23 km/h
4. 2004: 37:36 Lance Armstrong 22.02 km/h
5. 1997: 37:40 Jan Ullrich 21.98 km/h
6. 2001: 38:03 Lance Armstrong 21.76 km/h
7. 1995: 38:04 Miguel Indurain 21.75 km/h
8. 1995: 38:04 Alex Zulle 21.75 km/h
9. 1995: 38:06 Bjarne Riis 21.73 km/h
10. 1997: 38:20 Richard Virenque 21.60 km/h
@@NDoraku pantani was unreal on the steep slopes. However he could have never kept up with lance through the 4 and 5 percent climbs. Jan Ulrich put a whole minute into him on the stage to Andorra arcalis
@@abone2pick No doubt! :-D
Lance and Jan would also destroy Marco in a flat indivdual time trial. They would easy take 5 minutes in 50 kilometers or even more, they actually did it in 2000 Tour Prologe in Futuroscope. Jan catched him there.
I just wanted to say that Marco in his absolute prime was even a class better as Jan, Lance etc. Just take their best times in Alpe d Huez:
Pantani 36,40 Minutes
Lance + 0,56 Minutes
Jan + 1,00 Minutes
@@NDoraku yeah pantani hit close to 15 MPH up alpe d'huez 8% gradient which is just out of this world. I could average that pace on a 2% or a 3% climb at best.
@@abone2pick To be fair in the 1997 tour Pantani was coming off injuries and had issues of Bronchitis which is why he got dropped on Arcalis and Courchevel. Last 3 km of Courchevel his bronchitis subsided and he took 20 seconds a km off Ullrich and Virenque..
Loved the road chalk sign that said: EPO Lance. Lol!
There were several other anti-Lance messages, if you look closely.
NOTHING about modern pro cycling is as memorable as this period - drugs or no drugs. In fact, many of the bike brands and sponsors owe their currently popularity and success to this period.
Ramond Ferreal Trek owe their popularity to this era; they have not had one clean winner. Pinarello, on the other hand: Pedro Delgado, Miguel Induran (5), Oscar Pereriro, Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome (4), Geraint Thomas.
Lance literally made Trek
@@daffygrey Not sure any of those are clean winners either... Induran clean? Wiggins and Froome clean? Don't get me wrong, love watching all of these guys, but saying they are clean riders is a stretch.
Wow....amazing how all those Team Sky cyclists are all clean////lmao..
Lance Hardon was about as clean as Sheryl Crow's powdered nose.
I believe that this TT had the most spectators of any sporting event in history. At least 750,000 people were on the Alpe that day. Crazy...
Tour de France have 200 million tv watchers every stage! And crazy cycling fans 21xtimes=4 billion tv watchers! Not True the truth is 200 million not 4 billion! Italy have only 100000 cyclist! France have 100000 cyclist! Football Soccer have 250 million players! Football Soccer have 4 billion fans around the world! Cricket have 2,5 billion fans around the world! Time trials only stages how we can calculeted how good these over-rated cyclists are Really! Doper Jacques Anquetil rode weak poor hour record 46159 meters in 1957! Kuts run 13:35 5000 meters in 1957! Kuts closer 46,8km shape! Doper Franseco Moser build better bike than others and rode weak hour record 51151 meters in 1984! If Moser was a 10000 meter runner the result 27:45 and World record was 27:13! Anquetil Armstrong Vinegaard Indurain beat 195 riders minutes shows how bad 195 riders of 200 riders are Really! No science data proof backs this lie probaganda the pro doping cyclists are the toughest and Best! Stop this lame trash lie probaganda the pro doing cyclist are the toughest!!
Crushing with style. Classic Armstrong ....LA7
Armstrong, Basso, Pantani, Ulrich and the rest ALL gave the sport their very best. BEFORE computers, power meters, aero everything. I love the sport and realize shit changes BUTT Fur FUCKS sake MAHN!!! Let’s see some EPIC DUELS AGAIN!!!! All out Sagan style to the finish!
41:42; "EPO Lance" is written in chalk.
and then he rips their balls of at 43:20 :D Brilliant
Also at 39:45 says equivalent of lance yellow jersey epo....I remember watching this race as a kid and thinking shit these guys are animals
Well spotted!
Ullrich admitted using PEDs, Basso was caught, so Lance was simply better. He used the best cadence to climb those mountains, a lot like Froome does now. Armstrong made all professional cyclists a shit ton of money.
Maybe Lance’s Team wrote it there to remind him what he was on and when to kick it into gear :-)
Straight into the motorhome after the stage for a quick rubdown and a blood transplant he didnt even look tired.
12 year old me knew Lance was doping back then. It's a marvel how he managed to keep it secret and dope that well for so many years.
The cadence is why he was so fast, the announcer said it
And then, around 19:20 or so, there's Richard Virenque.....he had his own PED use issues.
The BEST !!!
He is indeed not the same man in time trials. 38:26 deactivation of the motor before overtaking Basso, 39:56 reactivation of the motor after overtaking Basso.
Or maybe basso just tried a little harder when lance came up to him as shown by his body language 😂
The second Lance was catching Basso he reaches to his seat post to turn off the motor in his bike. And you can see he finds it much harder to distance Basso for a period. He then again reaches for his seat post switches the motor back on and just crushes Basso.
I can watch tdf this era without skipping or fast forward.
Do you think the power meters took that away? or is it the characters on stage?
@@sicajuan both
Ulrich, basso, Armstrong... All dope riders!
Ulrich doped that year too. And not the only year he did. Still got smoked.
#Proof?
Not all doping is equal... Every result from that era is just worthless.
@@MicroageHD and today they are not doping? Come on man... Medicine got better as well since than ;)
@@HollywoodModelling ulrich admitted to doping after lance came out on oprah. Look it up
@@HollywoodModelling you gotta be dumb to think someone that heavy can push almost 14 mph up alpe d huez
can we get another L'Alpe Du Huez ITT please....?
Why can't today's time trial be on these famous mountains?
Because you would see that these clean guys today hold same speeds as the juiced guys from the early '90 and '00
That would be awesome. I would like to see the mental gymnastics trying to analyze why they go faster that the epo era.
Marltiod they definitely wouldn’t be faster ...
@@maxw5229 are you stupid? Chris froome went up the ventoux faster than lance and Ulrich. Also guys like quintana and contador went up as fast as lance up the ventoux. Even pogacar putting out close 7.0 watts per kilo . Is really not about the speed is just time trials aren't as popular in the tour anymore.
They are, but it's a logistical nightmare
Wow. How incredible was Armstrong! Just imagine how fast he would of been if he didn’t have to spend all that time swapping out his blood before each stage.
17:45 "They are only climbing at 12.5 or 13 miles per hour". I don't know about you but I'd love to be able to climb L'Alpe du Huez at "only" 12 mph.
Get properly lean and train instead of going to work and maybe you could.
@@cyc00000
amateur club cyclists can't.
I trained like an animal for 6 months to do this I beat my body down to sub 10% fat and did 1 hour and 9 mins and some seconds. I was too bolloxed to stop the watch.
Often I get kind of sad, realizing Klöden was so strong in couple of Tours, but always in the Shadow of Lance. Like Jan but without the victory early. Wasn‘t there a year with Ullrich, Klöden and Vino?? BEAST-TEAM
Yeah the 2005 T Mobile team had all 3
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Just insane! Like having Van Art, Vingegaard and Kuss in one Te oh wait
@@FloydDiamond Haha that’s the thing about history it’s simply a cycle that repeats itself
Visma really had Jonas Primoz and Kuss in the same team with a wild Van Aert as well lol
Armstrong is still one of the greatest ever .
And Stalin. Man, how they f@#$ed the rest of the world! Iron penises.
😆
Top of the dope indeed, fun times
GOAT
Gotta get me a 2005 madone for climbing. 🤣🤣🤣
46:05 strange scene. Suspicious.
I tested positive for PED's after watching this.🤭
It's nice how back in the days Armstrong was the good example to follow, while Pantani was the drugged up bad kid.
Pantani was never proved positive, while this guy was drugged up every single time.
How ironic.
He was disqualified because ''somebody'' decided he needed to be.
The trial is still ongoing, there are testimonies that clearly stated all was staged because of a betting racket.
The morning of the disqualifying, his blood was analyzed in the same exact time it takes to perform blood aphaeresis, to increase hematocrit.
In the same exact day, in just 10 hours, his hematocrit dropped from 51.9 to 47.6, which is impossible.
These are FACTS proven by the various documents, data, testimonies and medical reports.
The 1999 disqualifying was NOT due to drugs or enhancements
What’s ironic is that “Never proved positive” was exactly the line Armstrong used to use. They were both as bad as each other.
Politics. Had enough of you and suddenly you are a drug chest snd your gone.
46.09 "come on boys out of the sweet shop, Lance has got to get his blood transfusion"
Hahahaha fucking brilliant comment
Lance, still the most exciting rider of the Tour in the last 30 years unless you prefer the new crop of asmatics on TUE's.
Anyone notice the chalk marking in the road that read ... "EPO Lance"? I wonder how long after getting off the bike before he got his shot?
@@karlmccartney3642 -- Yep, I saw that as well -- the protocol, apparently, was to shoot up immediately after the race.
Dopestrong. 😃
Geil 😍
I don’t care what anyone else says about Lance Armstrong. Drugs or no drigs......he was the best. If everyone there was legitimately clean, Lance would have won. Instead everyone was doping and he won. Personally I don’t hold the epo as a characterization assassination of Lance as a cyclist. I could take all the steroids in the world, all the epo in the world and I would NOT even qualify for the Tour de France. Ped’s don’t automatically create world champions. World champions are born not created.
I find it distasteful and overstepping that he was stripped of his 7x TDF yellow jerseys and even more distasteful and overstepping that his name is not even mentioned in today’s TDF. Nothing but love and respect to lance. Screw all the haters. How much do we have to embarrass, humiliate, and stomp on one human being. The pain in his own heart is clearly sharper than anyone’s. Let the man breathe for the love of god. Better yet.....reinstate his 7x TDF wins and allow him to stop hanging his head in shame. He used PED’s. That’s it. All those bitches that rode with him that are crying about how tough and unfair lance was to them when they were teammates or even more embarrassing those spineless lames that let their wives do all the talking and finger pointing for them. Laughable. Lance had one ball and he was more of a man then all of them. Now that’s laughable.
The only problem about Amstrong is that he was 7x champ and has confessed that he took drugs. This is not about hatred or something. TDF has no choice but to get rid of his trace as he himself clearly admitted it. What else can they do at this point ?
The amount of people that think Lance was the sole cheater and that cycling is now clean is astonishing.
Vinegaard and Pogacar go faster than Lance Armstrong today! And they are claiming we are so clean! Totally clean cyclist would lose 4 minutes Armstrong 60 minutes time trial! Time trials only stages how we can calculeted how good these over-rated cyclists are Really! Doper Jacques Anquetil rode weak poor hour record 46159 meters in 1957! Kuts run 13:35 minutes 5000 meters in 1957! Kuts closer 46,8km shape! Doper Franseco Moser build better bike than others and rode weak hour record 51151 meters in 1984! If Moser was a 10000 meter runner the result 27:45 and World record was 27:13! Indurain Vinegaard Anquetil Armstrong beat 195 riders many minutes of 200 riders! That show how bad 195 riders are Really! No science data proof backs this lie The cyclists are the toughest and Best! France have only 100000 cyclists! Italy have only 100000 cyclists! Stop this lame trash lie probaganda the pro doping cyclists are the toughest and Best!
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i thought the same XD
Back in the days of Kristin Gum. She made it all very exciting.