If you think about it, Spider-Man No Way Home was kind of a Sinister Six movie. 1. Raimiverse Green Goblin 2. Raimiverse Doc Ock 3. Raimiverse Sandman 4. Webbverse Lizard 5. Webbverse Electro 6. Sony Venom Better luck next time Venom 😂
Who the hell are the people doing case studies on the audience for these? Did the executives in sony just sit in a room looking at eachother going "You feelin' what I'm feelin'? Yeah baby! Kraven!".
This is really the result of Sonys deal with Disney. Disney can make Spider-Man movies in the MCU, meanwhile Sony still wants to make Spider-Man movies so they can maintain the film rights.
@@PatrickRockwell24since when does reputation matter? Every filmmaker and actor has done shitty projects, you’re forgetting it’s a business at the end of the day
That’s probably why Sony released “28 Years Later” trailer to distract their failure of Kraven in theatres so that way people would talk and be excited for the next 28 Days trilogy
It's not even the lack of Spider-Man. it's the playing around Spider-Man. Just say Spider-Man was killed. Now his villains have to start helping the world in theirs own messed up way.
Honestly if you ask me Sony needed to get their heads out of their own asses. They’ve been releasing mediocre to downright shitty films for almost a decade that have been centered around “villains” from the Spider-Man mythos that people hardly even know about. Only NOW do they see the writing on the wall now that Kraven the Hunter is more than likely gonna’ flop. Before they officially canceled the Sony “Spider-Man” villain universe lineup of films, they were going too make films about characters like “El Muerto”, “Hypno-Hustler”, “Silk” from the Spider Society (That was gonna’ be a TV show), and “Nightwatch”. Who are these people?
It's not the last, unfortunately. They said they don't have plans for the "It has something to do with Spider-Man I think" universe for the foreseeable future. They are gonna just focus on Spider-Man 4, Spider Verse 3 and Spider-man Noir. Sony is never gonna let go of the IP. 😢
Even though Venom: The Last Dance ($473m worldwide) grossed less than Venom: Carnage ($507m), both still grossed 4.3 - 4.6 times their $110m prod budget which unfortunately makes it less likely that this Sony Marvel Universe will end :( They'll keep making these terrible live-action movies as long as prod budgets are kept between $75-110m which they've done so far.
This just proves that the Venom movies are profitable. But for whatever reason, Sony thinks that it means everyone will go and see any movie about Spider-Man's other characters, even the obscure ones.
@@AllInTheGame01 At this point, I think the audience is onto Sony's game. If "In association with Marvel" is on screen and it's not Spider-Verse or Venom, then expect the worse.
Honestly, I kinda feel what Julian is saying about Joker 2. I've been thinking about it a lot the last few days now that we are living out the plot in real time with your boy Luigi's Mansion.
Sony kept making these villain movies just so they can hold onto Spiderman license. But with all of the movies bombing its just a loss leader to keep making them. Spiderman villians without spiderman is losing formula. Venom kinda worked but not ever spidey villain had its own spin off comic to give it legs. Sony has the 3rd Spiderverse movie dropping and spider man 4 in the works so expect them to return to the villains after both projects are complete.
I knew this Sony Spider-Man whatever universe was a lousy idea when I saw the first Venom movie. Though, at least Venom is a *_POPULAR_* supporting character in the Spider-Man mythos.
I just went and saw the movie and I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I know that it's not saying much but it's possibly my favourite of the Sony Marvel films. It's a shame because this is the direction I think they should have gone with this universe.
8:59 *sigh* Are we still justifying the bullsh*t cancellation of Joss Whedon? Really? Bro, it's time to get over it. If the likes of James Cameron and David O. Russell are still able to work in the industry, then there is no justification of keeping Joss Whedon in the doghouse.
Sony so dumb there’s enough marvel characters that’s not even showing up yet and have clue work on that not spider man world go do others like devil Dino with jungle boy warduke the assassin cyborg, death head , there’s a lot X-men world wide people they can work with besides the X-men top guys a lot more characters!!!! Mole man
Hopefully they never make another Marvel movie. From an old school Marvel fan back in the day (1980s). I cannot stand their aesthetic and their corny humor. Burn your comics!
At this point what the hell is Spider Man 4 going to be about? Am I the only one who feels like each report with live action Spider Man contradict each other
I was looking forward to how bad that Sinister 6 film would be
Lol
If you think about it, Spider-Man No Way Home was kind of a Sinister Six movie.
1. Raimiverse Green Goblin
2. Raimiverse Doc Ock
3. Raimiverse Sandman
4. Webbverse Lizard
5. Webbverse Electro
6. Sony Venom
Better luck next time Venom 😂
Why? That’s nonsense
Who would be Sony's Sinister Six in this franchise? Morbius, Vulture, Kraven, and...????
surely a way to waste your time and money. Good on you.
I'll believe it when I see it
Who the hell are the people doing case studies on the audience for these? Did the executives in sony just sit in a room looking at eachother going "You feelin' what I'm feelin'? Yeah baby! Kraven!".
This is really the result of Sonys deal with Disney. Disney can make Spider-Man movies in the MCU, meanwhile Sony still wants to make Spider-Man movies so they can maintain the film rights.
@@comixproviderftw_02 That makes more sense. Like they're basically gonna lose more than just money if they can't produce these films.
I didn’t even know if was coming out this week till just now
Sony needs to focus on making animated films of these characters
Why didn't the director of Joker 2 DECLINE to come back rather than purposely making a bad movie?
I don't even know. Maybe WB gave him more money to make the sequel.
Cos he was given Final Cut (which is very rare) & a ridiculously high $200m budget of which $20m went to him as writer/director/producer.
@@AllInTheGame01 So accept money to ruin your reputation?
@@PatrickRockwell24 Wouldn't be the first time that's ever happened! Plus he made the Hangover sequels so he's not exactly above that behaviour!
@@PatrickRockwell24since when does reputation matter? Every filmmaker and actor has done shitty projects, you’re forgetting it’s a business at the end of the day
Why do I sense Avi arad is the blame for this dumpster fire of a universe
This has Tom Rothman’s fingerprints all over it
Because he is to blame. Him and Rothman
It's the same guy who wanted Venom in Spider-Man 3, despite Sam Raimi being against it. Wouldn't surprise me if all these movies were his idea.
And he's in charge of the upcoming live-action film "Naruto".
@@arnoldrivas4590 And the Legend of Zelda movie as well.
That’s probably why Sony released “28 Years Later” trailer to distract their failure of Kraven in theatres so that way people would talk and be excited for the next 28 Days trilogy
It's not even the lack of Spider-Man. it's the playing around Spider-Man. Just say Spider-Man was killed. Now his villains have to start helping the world in theirs own messed up way.
Even Madame Web felt like it was nudging you on the shoulder on the references.
_"Get it? That's Peter Parker's mom. And that's Uncle Ben."_
Honestly if you ask me Sony needed to get their heads out of their own asses. They’ve been releasing mediocre to downright shitty films for almost a decade that have been centered around “villains” from the Spider-Man mythos that people hardly even know about. Only NOW do they see the writing on the wall now that Kraven the Hunter is more than likely gonna’ flop.
Before they officially canceled the Sony “Spider-Man” villain universe lineup of films, they were going too make films about characters like “El Muerto”, “Hypno-Hustler”, “Silk” from the Spider Society (That was gonna’ be a TV show), and “Nightwatch”. Who are these people?
My skin crawled a bit seeing the Madame Web cast in costume again...
Who made Cory Dudley from Diff'rent Strokes in that meme at the beginning? You're wild for that!
It's not the last, unfortunately. They said they don't have plans for the "It has something to do with Spider-Man I think" universe for the foreseeable future. They are gonna just focus on Spider-Man 4, Spider Verse 3 and Spider-man Noir. Sony is never gonna let go of the IP. 😢
I'll take Spider-Man Noir over a spinoff film about an obscure villain any day.
@michaelstrong5383 I can't wait for Spidey-Noir.
I call BS on the Joker 2 director making a BAD movie on purpose. He simply made a TERRIBLE movie, and now, he's trying to salvage his reputation.
Sony Pictures still owns Spider-Man
YES...YES..YES..YES..YES 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I feel like the munchkins at the beginning of Wicked running out into the town singing "GOOD NEWS! SHE'S DEAD!!!!"
I'm thankful we at least got Adam Smith's Milo dance scene in 'Morbius'
Even though Venom: The Last Dance ($473m worldwide) grossed less than Venom: Carnage ($507m), both still grossed 4.3 - 4.6 times their $110m prod budget which unfortunately makes it less likely that this Sony Marvel Universe will end :( They'll keep making these terrible live-action movies as long as prod budgets are kept between $75-110m which they've done so far.
This just proves that the Venom movies are profitable. But for whatever reason, Sony thinks that it means everyone will go and see any movie about Spider-Man's other characters, even the obscure ones.
If Kraven proves to be another bomb, they'll simply pivot to focus on pumping out more Venom movies!
@@AllInTheGame01 At this point, I think the audience is onto Sony's game. If "In association with Marvel" is on screen and it's not Spider-Verse or Venom, then expect the worse.
I hope so!
At least we can get beyond the spider verse
sony will find a way to ruin that too. Like everything they touch.
Honestly, I kinda feel what Julian is saying about Joker 2. I've been thinking about it a lot the last few days now that we are living out the plot in real time with your boy Luigi's Mansion.
I’ll give it a chance it’s rated R and hopefully it’s good
Sony kept making these villain movies just so they can hold onto Spiderman license. But with all of the movies bombing its just a loss leader to keep making them. Spiderman villians without spiderman is losing formula. Venom kinda worked but not ever spidey villain had its own spin off comic to give it legs. Sony has the 3rd Spiderverse movie dropping and spider man 4 in the works so expect them to return to the villains after both projects are complete.
Hopefully it is
Avi Arad's grandkids told their granddad to 😭😭😭"STOPPPP, IT'S ALREADY DEADDDD"🤣🤣🤣
Oh Soron that half man half pterodactyl Dino flying thing
Mark Bernarden would be perfect
Smart move for Sony.
They have to make a spiderman related film or lose the rights to spider man. Sony rents out spider man to Disney
Okie, aaron enough games now. Time to suit up, Bond.
I knew this Sony Spider-Man whatever universe was a lousy idea when I saw the first Venom movie. Though, at least Venom is a *_POPULAR_* supporting character in the Spider-Man mythos.
For now being the optimal word… they'll find a way to resurrect it
Prune this timeline
We did it!
Seth Rogan gave us TMNT Mutant Mayhem and The Boys so....... What he doing
Insert Return of the Jedi celebration here.
Kraven's First and Last Hunt 😅
What about Miles Morales Spiderman live action? Spiderverse live action? SpiderGwen? Spiderman/Deadpool movie?
It was more of a mercy kill than anything.
Hold on kraven came out ! lol 😂
Sony has to make a new spider-man something every few years or the contract lapses, so it is the "end" but it really isnt.
Give us Black and Silver.
Hell no. Nothing coming from that garbage horseshit studio sony is worth any kind of quality.
I hope marvel gets the rights back there characters also please review secret level
Sony would never let it go, cause its the only thing they have left to make money off when it comes to movies/games/toys n so on
We’re not morbing anymore 😢
Either make a film With Spider Man IN It Somewhere or give up the IP!!
They don't have the rights to make one without Disney's co involvement.
It had better be the last!
The "Sony-verse" is a dumpster fire...
Morbius
Madame Web
Kraven
ugh!
This is a huge win for the rlsh still the movie looks good❤spoilers k's wife 60shad madame
The problem is they are required to keep putting out movies or they will lose the rights to spider man
John Campea said it’s not true.
Nobody cares what John Campea has to say.
John Campea has some of the worst takes ngl
@@poposterous236 His bad takes doesn't really have anything to do or contend with if his statement is true or not,
Love or hate the guy, he clearly has some legit studio sources
Spider-Verse 3 is probably the only sure fire one, also if Tom Rothman has any say (he does) these glorified rights retainers are cooked.
This movie gonna be bad and I can’t wait
I just went and saw the movie and I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I know that it's not saying much but it's possibly my favourite of the Sony Marvel films. It's a shame because this is the direction I think they should have gone with this universe.
Other than the Venom movies, screw the Sony Spider-Man Spin Off Universe, let it burn in hell, good riddance.
put venom right in there, just as terrible horrible abyssmal garbage dumpsterfire
8:59 *sigh* Are we still justifying the bullsh*t cancellation of Joss Whedon? Really? Bro, it's time to get over it. If the likes of James Cameron and David O. Russell are still able to work in the industry, then there is no justification of keeping Joss Whedon in the doghouse.
This film should have never been made. Talk about wasting villains they could use for Spiderman 4
Sony so dumb there’s enough marvel characters that’s not even showing up yet and have clue work on that not spider man world go do others like devil Dino with jungle boy warduke the assassin cyborg, death head , there’s a lot X-men world wide people they can work with besides the X-men top guys a lot more characters!!!! Mole man
First .
Hopefully they never make another Marvel movie. From an old school Marvel fan back in the day (1980s). I cannot stand their aesthetic and their corny humor. Burn your comics!
That thumbnail looks like hot trash
At this point what the hell is Spider Man 4 going to be about? Am I the only one who feels like each report with live action Spider Man contradict each other
stop listening to dogshit internet sites.
@ it’s movie rumors not a political report, relax
@@claycrawford7 exactly, you said it, so stfu and relax, my god. ITS A GOOD THING NOT KNOWING ANYTHING GOING INTO A MOVIE.
@@claycrawford7You're the one who needs to relax. Slowodanx is just giving his advice.
@@jesseowenvillamor6348 also you’re definitely an alt account right?