Sony CCD F401 8mm Camcorder total and I mean total tear down
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- This one was never going to be repaired as too manythings are wrong with it,and it has zero value. Perfect to remove every screw and clip and see how it was built.
The amount of engineering smarts it took to design and build this in the late 80's...Incredible.
The engineering that went into the CCDTR81 or TR5 was even more fascinating. Much more compact and fragile, yet they worked.
Thanks a million for the video as it will save me a ton of time. I have an almost new CCD-F401 that was working wonderfully but which hadn't been used in 9 yrs. I fired it up last night to use one last time to digitize the 9 tapes produced on that unit. Unfortunately when I powered it up the video was flickering. The mechanics worked fine, the tape compartment opened and closed fine and the lens motor worked fine. But none of the tape motor functions (fwd / play, etc) would work. My analysis told me that leaking or dried out caps were the problem with a 95% probability. Over the last decade I have had a number of electronic devices malfunction due to capacitor failure. It is a shame that manufacturers didn't use better components or suppliers. So this unit will need to be scrapped for spare parts. Thanks for posting this one. It will help me conduct a singular disassociation of it (lol).
I have a similar vintage Sony CCD-F501 camcorder that served me well for many years before I upgraded to a newer CCD-TRV41 and it saw very little use after that. Now many years later, I took it out of the case and power it up and the LCD viewfinder is flashing and there is no image. It appears to be the same symptom as this CCD-F401 here so I am going to open it up just to see which cap is leaking and replace it. It used to play back just fine until recently, it decides not to open the tape door so again, it could be another cap. This tutorial gives me some ideas on where the caps are to look for but you may be right, there are too many of them to replace all! I intended to repair it just for sentimental reason, not necessary going to use it that much since I moved on to several more generations of Sony camcorders to the flash/HDD FHD video recorders now. How do you test these caps without removing from the board? I want to do the minimal amount of repair just to get it back to life but it could be just wishful thinking. I am hoping that there are just a few caps that need to be replaced and I can resurrect it again.
Watching this in 360p , being use to it , thats the deepest we have seen in a cam , well it is for me .
They will not make cameras like this anymore ,
They will wonder how they made tubes like this all those years ago , let alone the tape deck inside .
They are worth keeping alright !
Thankfully tape is dead. I was jumping for joy when the first sd based camcorders came out.
@@12voltvids "OH " Dave , come on , you sound like these young ones who love to live commercially LOL
@@12voltvids Yeah you're right on Tape is DEAD !
Hype Hype Hype everywhere on the TUBE and no tape deck to run with it .
If its Heavy ? they built it GOOD !
Why does it not thread the tape ? Is it due to bad capacitors ? Threading is mechanical not capacitor related I thought.
For its day it was amazing technoogy, so much packed into such a small space.
If you think about the work involved in creating it, its very impressive.
The ccd is so fine, still amazing to me.
Looks like the jis screw drivers are not bad, the only thing they need is a bigger diameter grip, maybe drilled wooden dowl rod would give the grip you had on the original driver :-D
One did exactly the same thing for me a year ago. Camera was given to me and had the same pattern on it's viewfinder, also let out the fish vape w/juice. It worked just long enough for me to eject the tape for the original owner and then got worse. One day I'll torture myself over fixing a Digital8 that has a problem if I finally get a hold of a good model.
I don't like Hi8 or S-vhs any more. I want to like analog but for what I do VHS and smaller drum sizes aren't stable enough. I can see why big and/or fast head drum wheels were the way to go back in the day after experiencing an Ampex VPR3 and it's shockingly accurate playback (pre/post Zuss TBC). I still like D8, which I suppose at least is 'fast'.
I have a similar Sony 8mm camcorder (CCD-F34) with the dual contacts power cord that won't power on no matter what I setting I have (the red charging light on the corded battery charger that is attached to the dual contact will light up for a split second when I plug it into the 120V outlet the go dark)..any suggestions or recommendations? There is a tape stuck inside the camcorder I would like to get out without destroying the thing but it appears to require power to eject :-(
I would've cleaned and re-capped the boards. Of course it's not worth it, but just for fun, and just because it was a cosmetically OK, and seemingly lightly used camcorder, and the leak was fresh, most probably no real damage to the boards yet (but you're right, you can never know for sure until you re-cap it, I had weird transistor failures due to electrolyte leakage, it seeped through the plastic TO-92 package somehow, and ruined the transistor junction in a way that it still seemed to be fine with a diode tester, but no longer had any gain).
When it comes to salvage, I'd salvage the whole mechanism (especially if it's in so mint condition like this one), the lens assy, and of course the viewfinder. I also like these cute lil CRTs.
I suggest when you replace your small B/W clock CRT TV, put that viewfinder next to it and use them simultaneously in 24/7, I'm curious how long this little tube would last compared to a fresh 5.5" one.
They are all "lightly" used. Most camcorders for the average person saw on average 2 hours a year of use. Birthdays, Xmas, and holidays.
Just for fun, your kidding right. It was more fun tearing it down. Had it been a Hi8 or a Digital 8 camera I would have been more keen on investing time and money into it because a Hi8 or D8, especially the models that can play analog tapes are valuable. These ones are a dime a dozen.
@@12voltvids Yes, they are usually hardly used, but some owners still manage to screw up the loading mechanism, or break the head cores and/or scratch the drum (I've even seen a broken capstan shaft!!!)...
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to save everything, I tore down at least half a dozen VHS-C camcorders, because THOSE are really completely useless, since you can archive the tapes with an ordinary VHS VCR using a cassette adapter.
I plan to do archiving work in the future, so I started buying camcorders of every common formats until they can be found for cheap. I always buy the bargains, the last one was a Samsung VP-D352 miniDV for $5, untested, with battery but without charger. Turned out to be fully functional, for the first time it eat the tape, it was crazy probably due to oxidized mode switch, I tortured it for five minutes by switching rapidly through every mode, and the mode switch cleaned itself enough that it's now working reliably, I don't even had to remove any screw.
I plan to have a few (newer than this one-)V8 camcorders along with the Hi8 ones, because I don't want to wear out my harder to find and more expensive Hi8 camcorders with V8 tapes. Although it might be advantageus to archive V8 tapes on a Hi8 deck, because it has S-Video output, so it might give somewhat better picture quality. I found that I get slightly better quality if I archive VHS tapes with my S-VHS deck over S-Video. Is it true for archiving V8 tapes on Hi8 deck over S-Video as well?
If anyone will recap my CCD-V701 will pay good money let me know if anybody is willing to work on it. I know 12voltvids has told me hell no multiple times but if there are any hobbyists reading this please reply to this comment if you can recap my CCD-V701 thanks.
For us, buying the hi8 camera was the event of the year. Now I feel very sorry about because the camera is partially dead, all in this life must end.
I know that feeling. I bought several. CCDV5000 was the first. Capacitor rot on that. Sold to a sucker on Ebay. Then a CCDTR81, still have that one. Fixed it a few times. Then a CCDVX3, which I used for a a few years and sold, and a EVW300 professional ENG Hi-8. I wish I still had that one, just as a decoration, but I sold that to a prop rental place after I retired it. They have likely used it countless times in TV shows and movies as "media cameras" on sets. You know, the fake reporters that pretend to be covering an event in a movie.
This could have been sent to someone who would want to repair it. There are fewer and fewer each year, so it is important to preserve what is left.
Nobody would want to repair this. It is not as simple as replacing caps. When they have leaked all over the board the board is toast. These are list causes. I have many that work and I am not wasting my time on one that is beyond repair.
@@12voltvids Might make a good conversation piece, anyway.
14:34 any chance you're having fish for dinner tonight? haha those early '90s caps reek like decomposing sardines!
The electrolytic was made from fish oil. Go figure. Should have used PCBs. They would all still be working.
May I trouble yourself to attain the foam cover to the microphone? as the one to mine has disintegrated to nothing.
You should put that little CRT into a mini project box and you have a micro monitor. I'd love to find one of these and do that and hook my playstation to it.
It will go in a clear plastic box with the other one.
If only those pesky SMD caps didn't have problems with leaking. As you know, camcorders of that era were really bad about that, especially from Sony and Canon, but I believe it was a widespread problem with a lot of devices using these SMD electrolytics from around that era.
you can see the camera trying to show something through all the noise in the beginning
I have several 1987- 1989 rca vhs cam. And it works perfectly! Just needed rubber belts. And I have a couple sony 8mm cams from 1998 and early 2000s. They work perfectly. EVEN THE BATTERY! and I have 2 of these sony f401s. Neither work 😞 both have the exact same problem
No surface caps in them. They were big enough for thru hole.
that sony brain still remembers some secret schematics...
a perfect example of crapacitors. butane smells like fish too. always nice seeing those micro crt's saved
I'll probably stick it in the same plastic case as the other, so both will display the same image.
amazing video.bravo
hello I have a Sony MiniDV camera that the playback mechanism does not work properly, I am contacting you to find out if you can repair it
I have a very similar model, the F420 I believe. I've replaced all those fishy capacitors by SMD Tantalum and works quite well, even the batteries charge...
Not saying it can't be done, but I was bit multiple times when I worked in the business. Changed all the caps, charged them a small fortune probably 200.00 (remember camcorders back then were well over 1000) only to have several come back to bite me in the ass. We changed every one and it would work for a short time then come back with a new fault or an intermittent fault. So after having to eat a number of repairs, either replace the board at no cost or refund, we got smart. Any and all cameras that came on with cap problems were estimated at full board replacement as only option or buy a new one. The Canon cameras were wxceptionally bad. They had that goofy looking one, with the interchangeable lenses, if I remember it was xl1, or something like that. Sony was hit bad with capacitor issues Canon had it worse.
Hello StillCloser I’m getting a Sony CCD-F501 recapped and all the original capacitors have been replaced and the camcorder focuses and zooms and turns on and the “camera functions” work now the problem is that when a tape is inserted it doesn’t thread it makes a whirling noise and then shows the eject and caution light. What can cause the tape not to thread ? Is is still a bad capacitor somewhere or something to do with the mechanism?
I have the exact camcorder and I was hoping to transfer the tapes I have from the 1990’s and 2000 (my sons first few days after he was born!) onto a digital format but mine isn’t working-I don’t think the tapes play; it doesn’t play, fast forward or reverse, and I have the flashing warning arrow and beep. And the tape adapters don’t fit this size tape!
One odd thing I noticed is a kind of rotten smell when closely examining inside my Sony-is that the leaky capacitors? Great information here! Thank you
Yes leaking caps. You either need to find a working camera or send your tape out to have them digitized.
Do you fix any camcorder? I’ve got an old Hitachi VM4400 with a viewfinder that doesn’t work just makes a bunch of static and noise and a high pitched whistling noise. I’ve always wanted to get it working.
Thanks for the memories , the great fishy smell.
Smells like a hooker on a Saturday night.
Where can I find a battery for mine??
Goo luck. No idea
I have one that I did not use for a long time and than I wanted to use it and it did not work. Had the screen come on as in your video but the tape mechanism would not play. Is there a means of transferring what is one the 8mm tapes to CD of DVD?
Without a working playback device no. I have 5 8mm / hi8 machines 4 will also play digital 8 that are running full time transferring people's tapes that are in the same sitsuation and I will keep them running as long as possible. I did have 6 but one had worn out completely. Heads worn out after years of use. That's your option if you don't have a working machine. Pay someone else to do it for you.
Create a digital Tv from the CRT, Just add a Digital tuner and the worlds first digital ready CRT Tv, one that can be carrired any place, Just gotta figure what type of Case to make for it. Or Modify an existing digital OTA box to run off batteries that can power it and the tube , Then u have a Small tv in a pinch , good for emergency use or when bored with nothing to do type of Project, Many uses for one of those tubes i bet, Either Media player or digital tuner or both.
can you turn the viewfinder into a mini oszilloskope?
It is magnetic deflection. Scopes are electrostatic deflection. Magnetic is not fast enough to do much with.
@@12voltvids I have seen it in the 70s, there was a conversion kit for B&W Tv sets to turn a normal tv into a oszilloscope....but for a small bandwith....it was possible to detect normal audio signals with this set.
mine won't even turn on in camera mode, very sad.
It's junk. Time to move on.
Spurred on by this video, and being bored at home, I've begun to dig into our old National NV-M5 VHS Camcorder. Hopefully being from about 1986 it'll be before the nasty leaking SMD caps (hopefully because I know it was powered up to try and charge the battery a few years ago). If it's repairable I'll probably just use it as a novelty VHS player hooked up to my Bush BN6520A miniature TV/clock/radio. :) Corona's good for one thing at least!
Well I don't get a holiday. Essential service I am still working and having to come up with cleaver ways to do my job. I will talk about it on an upcoming video I will shoot tomorrow.
@@12voltvids That'd be quite interesting to see the methods you come up with to stay safe, will look forward for that one. Even though you're in another country, let me say Thank You for keeping things running for us while the world has it's mad half hour. I gather you're a telecomms guy now? We'd be a bit stuck without internet to keep us sane let alone the role 'phones are playing! National CCD now sorted, dirty switches and the tab on the VTR/camera slider had fatigued and broken, bit of old stylus housing glued on & it now switches between modes again and order of the day was some old John Wayne films last night lol. (caps are all top-notch through-hole Matsushita, as I'd hoped).
Again, stay safe out there & thanks for sharing the stuff you do.
30:02 that's what mine started doing and it wouldn't stop
Show the camera that canvert to animation
Is there a way to improve tracking on a sony sl-2000 betamax player?
Is the upper drum shiny like a mirror or dull like brushed aluminum?
@@12voltvids I've uploaded a video to my channel of my unit without the top case. Most of drum top looks dull with a little shiny aluminum.
i have one like this but mine is dead and the battery that was with it was dead and the power supply/battery charger was dead. i found it in a goodwill and i had gotten it for the fact that it has video in so i can use it as a vcr. i know i want to use the one i have as a vcr rather then a camera. sure i have a few other things that need work but yea getting em fixed is hard.
Not worth it. Trust me on that one. The problem with those caps was a bad formula. When they are totally discharged the electrolytic is very alkaline. It leaks out and soaks into the board and started dissolving the copper traces on the internal sides to the board. Because there are thru holes the liquid wicks into the internal layers. I recapped a ccd v5000 once. Changed about 60 caps. It worked for exactly 5 hours and then the board failed. Some of the more modern cameras used solid caps for the majority and only a few electrolytic. On those you might change 2 or 3 and get it going but when there are dozens that piss on the board the board will lose that fight.
@@12voltvids mine is the ccd-f33. I got it like i said for video in so i could use it as an 8mm vcr. Video cameras i find are cheaper than the 8mm vcrs sadly
@@rmx77 I think for your purposes you'd be better off with a VHS machine and a convertor "tape" ? If you insist on spending the time to replace all those caps, you better hope the board lasts long enough to get your time & moneys worth out of it.
@@rmx77 yes they are cheaper than 8mm VCR for sure because there was many more made. However the 8mm vcrs are mostly still working and the majority of cameras are dead. The last generation, the digital 8 models are mostly still working as they didn't use these bad caps.
Exactly. The alkaline electrolytic that is spewed will eat away the board.
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