Hello Zimster, how about redo ranged unit tier list again? In season 7, archer and musket units get buffed a lot, so hopefully you will revisit this topic again.
As a player who mostly uses ranged units, Imperial Archers are insane. I get 120+ kills with them nearly every siege I do. There bodkin arrows are crazy good and they have some of the best accuracy in the game. I usually either do noncoms or Imperial archers depending on the situation.
For Black Dragon Archers, I tend to take them either in defensive siege battles or field battles where melatori really arn't that useful since they have no towers to push and having a backup range unit to help cover a point can be more helpful. also, since mercenary units are max level out the gate the don't eat up xp which helps level other units better.
Great video man, guess I was right about the nams being on top last night.Also thanks for the duels and poleaxe combo.Keep up the good work you really deserve more subs.
@@timilot766 to get namkhams you need to click F5 which should take you to the battle pass and challenges screen.There you want to click unit challenges in the bottom left corner under the Season banner.Once there you should see the new seasonal units, the berserkers ect.At the top left of your screen you will see a icon which refers to this seasons units,click it and it should take you to a screen which you can swipe left and go back to any season you want to unlock missed units.Go to season 2 and click on it.Than when you go back to unit challenges you should see challenges for season 2 units instead of the current seasonal units.
I know I wasnt part of the conversation but the Ironcap Arquebusiers are C+. Great for killing off units close range in chokepoints, however due to inaccuracy when not shooting at troop formations and just heroes they struggle. Very High rate of fire, large ammo capacity and cheap for the leadership price. Downside is they are fairly squishy to range and short ranged
EU meta is filled with tier 5 cav as well. EU3 had turk clans that just spammed 15 tier 5 cav and they dominated the entire season. Winged Hussars can charge through braced pikes which renders the only real counter to cav non-existant and then you have all the other tier 5 cav so even if hussars get nerfed there will still be tons of cav to use. None of the viking units seems to work against cav, except maybe the shieldmaidens which can resist a cav charge 1v1, but they don't kill the cav which is a problem and also your cav like Lios have abilities that can deal with enemies without charge and even if they could withstand that, there is still the cav spam where it's not just 1 cav rushing through your unit, but actually 14-15 cavs and I doubt even the shieldmaidens in all their glory using their abilities to maximum potential can survive that.
Ironcap arquebiusers are really good I’ve got them elite and the vet line helps so much if you put them behind stalwarts they’re very good but they’re not very good shooting down or up at all but when I play shortbow I play them
Its sad that you kind of have to use the nahmkans because there so stupidly good. There are so much more beautiful units but you rarely use them because they are much worse in comparison.
Can we have a new tier list, since patch changed a lot? I think Vasals have a lot potential as they got shit loads of stats. They got the longest range in the game, high pen and damage (more pen than imperial without their ability on). In siege maps where you can shoot from supply point I take them over Namkans now.
Yeah I got them elite they’re good but nahmkans are better tho in situations if you have a big castle map put them on the top and that’s a lot of damage
I find it funny I had over 90+ kills with archer militia in high level game, they die pretty quickly but deal decent damages I don’t know how I got that tho. (Yes some were peasants but I did killed units such as Forte and Condos)
Siphons are a TW staple. In a coordinated team they just straight up stop everything. Siphons would beat Falcons in a one on one because Falcons have a range limit. It is wrong to say that Siphons need a team and Falcons don't. My Ironcap archers, hell, my Archer militia would beat Falcons one on one once close enough. The Pavise Crossbows are by far less team dependent on either of the other two, but they all perform different functions, and they would beat the other two one on one hands down.
All missile units are Not Worth a slot if compared to Namkans, however, since they are beyond OP and deserve a category of their own, then it would be better to have compared missile troops with other missile troops. Therefore, Prefecture Archers are a 'C' or 'B'.
I get about 40-100+ getting unit kills really depends on wether the other team will just let your units do whatever. Every unit can definitely kill in this game with the exception of some like martellatori's
Try equip them with epic range and ammo doctrine. Epic ammo doctrine will give them 50% more ammo from their base ammo(1000). In total, they will have 1700 ammo [1000(base)+200(vet line)+500(doctrine)]. Epic range will give them beyond 90 range. IMO, their accuracy aren't bad(but aren't good either) and this is 32 men unit, so accuracy not gonna be the problem, but you can also put rare accuracy doctrine on them if you want. In case of how many kill do i get, around 40-100 kills. My most unit kills(from these guys) is 144 kills and most hero kills is 6 kills.
Really like these keep up the good work; but as a criticism “I don’t see people using them” doesn’t/shouldn’t affect their their tiering. IE rattan vipers they got a buff but how many people go back and/or change their play style to use them. Meta jades people too much imo. Can’t wait for the next installment Edit: as a clarification not arguing specifically for a viper tier list change just as an example
Vassals , tercios, nahmkans , imperial archers and falcos should be the only ranged used tho other ranged is viable but if you’re going mainly ranged that’s what you want
I like how you put the Imperial Arquebusiers at B because they die easily when this is a ranged tier list, they ALL die easily and most can die to a light breeze. How in the world can you give a unit that has some of the highest DPS in the game a B?
I use Kriegs Every battle. They have the health accuracy and firing speed to stay alive. The amount of times Iv gotten rained down on by archers and still been able to get out with 75% of the unit up... can’t do that with any other ranged unit, besides Tercio
@@Zimster If I had that extra 50 leadership I would, but I don't. They are fairly accurate and fast firing. They are also fast to deploy because of their sprint, which is much maligned and has a short CD, and if you can get the drop on low armoured units they can tear them apart. Are they great? No, they are not Namkans, but who are?
Press F5 then go to unit challenge. At this point, it will be season 7 unit. Take a look at top left of the screen, you will see season icon, click it will allow you to swicth seasonal unit challenge(Nankhams are season 2 unit).
@@Zimster "Not worth the slot" has low tiers in it, and "A-OP" have all the golden era or 4 star units in them? Which directly contradicts the way you were supposedly ranking them compared to other units of the same tier.
@@thebluerecruit1434 your probably right, I can’t recall atm my exact thinking. I tried to do an overall ranking, comparing to like units and tiers above and below. I also took a lot of the chats info and rolled with it. Was something fun I was trying to do and it did get a little bias.
@@Zimster Thats very professional and nice of you to admit :D I love your videos and tutorials. I'm hardly new but there are still obscure things that need explaining a lot of the time. Do you think you'll ever come back to unit tier lists to make changes?
@@thebluerecruit1434 I actually like where the game is now. But I’m so busy with work, school, and kids that I haven’t had time to make content. I do plan to stream weds if you want to stop by and chat.
„Tercios have less dmg than Kriegs“: this Statement is so wrong. The acc. even after all these nerfs is really good, 4k piercing dmg with 2,5k penetration is insane, they are insanely fast shooting after moving and can handle anything Tier 3 or lower in melee with their parry. Putting them in B while their only real weakness is ammo like all maskets is so wrong. Use them in siege as mercs. this Season and you will see how good they can be!
Imperial Arqs don't have an ammo issue, neither does Janissaries, just to name two for your comment. Also their dmg is high but rate is slow. Compare fire rate to kriegs.
@@Zimster Maybe I am using muskets wrong, but you should not let them just stand there and fire wave after wave as some kind of supression fire. Their high burst on short volleys with good defences feels like the best way to use them. It could just be me been used to use them, but they feel very easy to handle. I highly recommand anyone to try them out for some matches, you will be suprised how good they fare.
@@Zimster i mained imp arq and now trying play tercios. And they are awaseome with epic doctrines. I got full epic pavise and tercios are way better on farm kills in normal siege battles. Even I got namhkhans full doctrined and still I like now the most tercios average kills are 80 on theme. They can now go in battle zone and smash with mg42 everything.
Just some criticism to help with future videos. I found this video near to being unbearable to watch. Took nearly 10-15 min to decide what teir a unit is. I skipped 90% of the video
You should trim This tier lists down They are way way way to long to much talking. Its kinda a good way of doing it But youtube Audience dont need the see all that.
I Know :) But for a informative tier list video This is way to long. Why make a tier list like This If people just jump to the end. Its the reasons behind that is intresting to hear But not in This drawn out format :)
I actually like this format. I can jump to the unit I'm interested on, listen the discussion and read the stream chat, or go to the end of the video for the final tier list.
Hello Zimster, how about redo ranged unit tier list again? In season 7, archer and musket units get buffed a lot, so hopefully you will revisit this topic again.
As a player who mostly uses ranged units, Imperial Archers are insane. I get 120+ kills with them nearly every siege I do. There bodkin arrows are crazy good and they have some of the best accuracy in the game. I usually either do noncoms or Imperial archers depending on the situation.
I really like these videos where you rank them all.
For Black Dragon Archers, I tend to take them either in defensive siege battles or field battles where melatori really arn't that useful since they have no towers to push and having a backup range unit to help cover a point can be more helpful. also, since mercenary units are max level out the gate the don't eat up xp which helps level other units better.
I wonder if anyone runs full mercenary builds to stack bronze? Haha but yeah I can see what your saying
Great video man, guess I was right about the nams being on top last night.Also thanks for the duels and poleaxe combo.Keep up the good work you really deserve more subs.
I appreciate it thanks
how do you unlock the namkham archers anyone knows ? i can't find them in the unit tree
@@timilot766 to get namkhams you need to click F5 which should take you to the battle pass and challenges screen.There you want to click unit challenges in the bottom left corner under the Season banner.Once there you should see the new seasonal units, the berserkers ect.At the top left of your screen you will see a icon which refers to this seasons units,click it and it should take you to a screen which you can swipe left and go back to any season you want to unlock missed units.Go to season 2 and click on it.Than when you go back to unit challenges you should see challenges for season 2 units instead of the current seasonal units.
I know I wasnt part of the conversation but the Ironcap Arquebusiers are C+. Great for killing off units close range in chokepoints, however due to inaccuracy when not shooting at troop formations and just heroes they struggle. Very High rate of fire, large ammo capacity and cheap for the leadership price. Downside is they are fairly squishy to range and short ranged
I do agree, they just don’t have a place in end game metas
EU meta is filled with tier 5 cav as well. EU3 had turk clans that just spammed 15 tier 5 cav and they dominated the entire season. Winged Hussars can charge through braced pikes which renders the only real counter to cav non-existant and then you have all the other tier 5 cav so even if hussars get nerfed there will still be tons of cav to use. None of the viking units seems to work against cav, except maybe the shieldmaidens which can resist a cav charge 1v1, but they don't kill the cav which is a problem and also your cav like Lios have abilities that can deal with enemies without charge and even if they could withstand that, there is still the cav spam where it's not just 1 cav rushing through your unit, but actually 14-15 cavs and I doubt even the shieldmaidens in all their glory using their abilities to maximum potential can survive that.
I am polish, in our clan we do the same
Longbows are awesome
Every siege game over 100 kills only on them...😀
@@Bujs88 Me too
29:29 meanwhile pike militia got placed in B cause a T4 does their job better.
Yes they do lose against a lot of cav making t4 pike more viable
Kriegs are such sleeper unit. They need to be babysat, but are reliable af.
With an ammo doctrine Kriegs could be viable
Ironcap arquebiusers are really good I’ve got them elite and the vet line helps so much if you put them behind stalwarts they’re very good but they’re not very good shooting down or up at all but when I play shortbow I play them
This I agree with, I have tried them and their good for their leadership
Its sad that you kind of have to use the nahmkans because there so stupidly good. There are so much more beautiful units but you rarely use them because they are much worse in comparison.
Agreed, I would love to see archers get more buffs in the near future
@@Zimster some need buffs but mostly just need namkhans to either get a nerf or just make their bleed ability into a cooldown ability
Can we have a new tier list, since patch changed a lot?
I think Vasals have a lot potential as they got shit loads of stats.
They got the longest range in the game, high pen and damage (more pen than imperial without their ability on). In siege maps where you can shoot from supply point I take them over Namkans now.
Yeah I got them elite they’re good but nahmkans are better tho in situations if you have a big castle map put them on the top and that’s a lot of damage
I find it funny I had over 90+ kills with archer militia in high level game, they die pretty quickly but deal decent damages I don’t know how I got that tho. (Yes some were peasants but I did killed units such as Forte and Condos)
i think u did a smart play , great job
this felt more of a twitch chat just ranking them
That’s pretty accurate
I use archer militia
I put a piercing 4 doctrine on it...
Siphons are a TW staple. In a coordinated team they just straight up stop everything. Siphons would beat Falcons in a one on one because Falcons have a range limit. It is wrong to say that Siphons need a team and Falcons don't. My Ironcap archers, hell, my Archer militia would beat Falcons one on one once close enough.
The Pavise Crossbows are by far less team dependent on either of the other two, but they all perform different functions, and they would beat the other two one on one hands down.
I don't write comments, but I will make an exception for u. I closed the video when u placed the Imperial archers B... Good luck
so if i want to use rattan marksmen i have to equip them with the poison ability instead of fire?
No, that’s your choice
I think fire is best because so many things do bleed especially as nahmkans are about
All missile units are Not Worth a slot if compared to Namkans, however, since they are beyond OP and deserve a category of their own, then it would be better to have compared missile troops with other missile troops. Therefore, Prefecture Archers are a 'C' or 'B'.
52:14 what the my cat haha
My cat was in frame haha
can someone tell me how many kills u normally get with namkhans? because i think they have low range low ammo low accuracy,not a fan at all.
Have you tried;
Leveling them up
And
Toggling their second skill for its bleed damage(the only reason they're that good.)
@@weirddudes5543 yeah i only need 1 more lvl to finish the topline veterancy.
Thats why im curious, how many kills do people get with namkhans?
They have pretty good bleed stacks that can kill hero’s that don’t move out of their fire quickly
I get about 40-100+ getting unit kills really depends on wether the other team will just let your units do whatever. Every unit can definitely kill in this game with the exception of some like martellatori's
Try equip them with epic range and ammo doctrine. Epic ammo doctrine will give them 50% more ammo from their base ammo(1000). In total, they will have 1700 ammo [1000(base)+200(vet line)+500(doctrine)]. Epic range will give them beyond 90 range. IMO, their accuracy aren't bad(but aren't good either) and this is 32 men unit, so accuracy not gonna be the problem, but you can also put rare accuracy doctrine on them if you want. In case of how many kill do i get, around 40-100 kills. My most unit kills(from these guys) is 144 kills and most hero kills is 6 kills.
Really like these keep up the good work; but as a criticism “I don’t see people using them” doesn’t/shouldn’t affect their their tiering. IE rattan vipers they got a buff but how many people go back and/or change their play style to use them. Meta jades people too much imo. Can’t wait for the next installment
Edit: as a clarification not arguing specifically for a viper tier list change just as an example
Thanks for the feedback, I will look into doing a new one soon
Vassals , tercios, nahmkans , imperial archers and falcos should be the only ranged used tho other ranged is viable but if you’re going mainly ranged that’s what you want
Flames are op if you use them right have you seen evo Liz video
Flames rely too much on other units is my buggiest issue with them
Pavise with double shot doctrine too OP
Agreed awesome doctrine
I like how you put the Imperial Arquebusiers at B because they die easily when this is a ranged tier list, they ALL die easily and most can die to a light breeze.
How in the world can you give a unit that has some of the highest DPS in the game a B?
Where would you have placed them? Also do you think it takes a certain amount of skill with them to keep them alive in open area fights?
I use Kriegs Every battle. They have the health accuracy and firing speed to stay alive. The amount of times Iv gotten rained down on by archers and still been able to get out with 75% of the unit up... can’t do that with any other ranged unit, besides Tercio
Archer militia is my go to
what about mounted crossbowmans ?
That’s in the cavalry rankings
@@Zimster thx they are crap btw
Ironcap Archers are my go to cheap archer unit. A solid 'C'.
This is the first time I’m hearing this. And why wouldn’t you try and bring namkhans as your archer unit?
@@Zimster If I had that extra 50 leadership I would, but I don't. They are fairly accurate and fast firing. They are also fast to deploy because of their sprint, which is much maligned and has a short CD, and if you can get the drop on low armoured units they can tear them apart. Are they great? No, they are not Namkans, but who are?
how do you unlock the namkham archers anyone knows ? i can't find them in the unit tree
@@timilot766 check season 2 unit challenges. Go to unit challenges in f5 menu and change to season 2
@@Zimster thank you
i think head to head namkahn and prefecture archers with arrow rain... the prefecture would win
Yes archer vs archer namkhans lose
Ironcap gunners could not hit a barn from the inside of the barn. They need to be on top of the unit they are shooting at.
Not true, I’ve used them they have decent accuracy and are a nice cheap musket to use.
Top tree makes them accurate
how do you unlock the namkham archers anyone knows ? i can't find them in the unit tree
Press F5 then go to unit challenge. At this point, it will be season 7 unit. Take a look at top left of the screen, you will see season icon, click it will allow you to swicth seasonal unit challenge(Nankhams are season 2 unit).
thx helpful
Your welcome
why is it so hard to make units balanced
Agreed
Ironcap archers are so much better than demense archers they’re the best starter archer to do nahmkan quests
yall really bullied ironcap arques they are great for their leadership (id say they are the same as jans)
Yeah I tried bringing them up a bit from the chats opinions haha
if you compared units to other units of the same rank, then how come the tier literally follows their ranks from don't bring to A
What do you mean by “don’t bring to A”?
@@Zimster "Not worth the slot" has low tiers in it, and "A-OP" have all the golden era or 4 star units in them? Which directly contradicts the way you were supposedly ranking them compared to other units of the same tier.
@@thebluerecruit1434 your probably right, I can’t recall atm my exact thinking. I tried to do an overall ranking, comparing to like units and tiers above and below. I also took a lot of the chats info and rolled with it. Was something fun I was trying to do and it did get a little bias.
@@Zimster Thats very professional and nice of you to admit :D I love your videos and tutorials. I'm hardly new but there are still obscure things that need explaining a lot of the time. Do you think you'll ever come back to unit tier lists to make changes?
@@thebluerecruit1434 I actually like where the game is now. But I’m so busy with work, school, and kids that I haven’t had time to make content. I do plan to stream weds if you want to stop by and chat.
A lot of the info here is just wrong. Imp archers are wonderful for killing cav. All ranged units have high leadership costs.
This guide is a bit outdated now. I wouldn’t use archers to counter cav. Pavise or guns probably a better solution.
„Tercios have less dmg than Kriegs“: this Statement is so wrong. The acc. even after all these nerfs is really good, 4k piercing dmg with 2,5k penetration is insane, they are insanely fast shooting after moving and can handle anything Tier 3 or lower in melee with their parry.
Putting them in B while their only real weakness is ammo like all maskets is so wrong. Use them in siege as mercs. this Season and you will see how good they can be!
Imperial Arqs don't have an ammo issue, neither does Janissaries, just to name two for your comment. Also their dmg is high but rate is slow. Compare fire rate to kriegs.
@@Zimster Maybe I am using muskets wrong, but you should not let them just stand there and fire wave after wave as some kind of supression fire. Their high burst on short volleys with good defences feels like the best way to use them. It could just be me been used to use them, but they feel very easy to handle. I highly recommand anyone to try them out for some matches, you will be suprised how good they fare.
@@mortvanesreca you can do x + 1 command to get them to burst fire quickly over and over
@@Zimster i mained imp arq and now trying play tercios. And they are awaseome with epic doctrines.
I got full epic pavise and tercios are way better on farm kills in normal siege battles.
Even I got namhkhans full doctrined and still I like now the most tercios average kills are 80 on theme.
They can now go in battle zone and smash with mg42 everything.
imperial ARQ is better than namkhans
I commented 1st. Revenants on the Rise
damn right!
i would say im arque a
these guys were so braindead when they tried to put Flamethrowers above B
Sea Stags is not worth it and it's freaking useless, they miss almost every shot..
Most militia units are good
Op
Just some criticism to help with future videos. I found this video near to being unbearable to watch. Took nearly 10-15 min to decide what teir a unit is. I skipped 90% of the video
Thanks for the feedback, currently not making new content for CB but this does help me know what to focus on.
You should trim This tier lists down They are way way way to long to much talking.
Its kinda a good way of doing it But youtube Audience dont need the see all that.
RUclips has chapters, feel free to jump to whatever you want to watch on it. The beauty of videos.
Everything is labeled
I Know :)
But for a informative tier list video This is way to long.
Why make a tier list like This If people just jump to the end.
Its the reasons behind that is intresting to hear But not in This drawn out format :)
I don’t mind it
I actually like this format. I can jump to the unit I'm interested on, listen the discussion and read the stream chat, or go to the end of the video for the final tier list.
too long
Your welcome to jump to the end to see the rankings. You don’t need to watch all of it.
Op