I’d work on driver, most of us don’t play enough to avoid a bad hole or two out of 18, I’d say embrace that unless you play a lot it will happen and try and get your fairway percentage up as that will help you on every hole
excellent advice! thank you. Started focusing on lag putting with minimal aiming and putting from fringe this year and the scores dropped dramatically! Also drove w 3 wood when my driver was getting re-gripped. One of the best rounds of the year. Hmmm too much to think about. ha.
This is a great guide to scoring well on the course in general. Work on your game and swing during practice. When you're on the course - score as ruthlessly and efficiently as you can.
Distance or dispersion? Golf course management. Chipping. Putting. Break 85? Not after an 8 minute video. Skill or lack thereof will determine the ability to break 85. But, it was a nicely done video!
Here are my 5 tips to shoot under 85: 1) get lessons, a bad golfer will never strategize their way out of being a bad golfer (I’m talking to myself on this one 😂) 2) practice 50% of your time around the green, get familiar with clubs 7i and down around the green 3) practice 3ft putts, having confidence with the short putts adds confidence to the rest of the short game as it relieves the stress 4) keep it in bounds, aim far away from trees and OB as you can 5) avoid punch out shots and fairway bunkers - anything that doesn’t allow you to make a full shot toward the green Side note: if your short game is trash, 85 isn’t going to happen ever so that would be priority #1
I hit a drive on fourteen yesterday , driver is my go to club on this hole , its a long hole for me and bogey is fine my second shot was a 5 wood a bit above my feet but i felt i could draw it onto the apron from there and keep short of the bunkers , i fatted it a little and it fell to the right hand rough 60 yrds short of the pin 75 yrds is an easy 56 degree for me and i was into a stiff wind so that was my shot , i stiffed it a foot from the flag for a very rare par . I very much doubt i would have made par from the apron on a three foot tiered green with flag at the back . I wont say it was an eye opener but i will say its proof that what you and a very few others say is true . Play within yourself and to your best advantage . Big thumbs up from me and this video is now in my pre round playlist 👍 I will just add that if i play too conservative and have a crap round its worst than having a bad round where ive taken some risks 🤷🏻♂️
Best golf video I've seen in years. Nice job. I have been thinking about using this strategy to stop shooting 91. I use 3 wood on the first 2 holes of my club for that reason, if I hit a bad shot it isn't out of bounds, I can still make a bogey.
I like how you were demonstrating why you should putt over chipping and then chipped it in the hole. LOL. But I agree. I use my putter when ever I can. Even out of rough lies green side. Once its not too bad rough
Excellent points!! I use all of these except .... use the driver more than I should. My new 3H will be my safe fairway club on par 4s. As we all know if you're in the fairway you have a shot 😉
I've just taken up golf (3 months ago)after not playing at all for 25 years and not playing regularly for more like 40 years. (when I was in my teens, I'm still just the right side of 60) My goal this year is to consistantly break 100. I Shot 97 a month ago on my 8th round since starting again.I then didn't play for a month and shot 54 on the front 9 at the same course last week ( only had time for 9 holes) Actually I was playing that badly I could have easily hit 60+ on the back nine with all the water. I think my problem is taking on too ambitious shots thinking I can still play them. Ironically on occasions after play said shot badly I've dropped another ball and played the shot again (just to see) and pulled it off. I know as I'm playing, what the "sensible" shot should be. Even when on the tee waving the driver at a Par4 hoping to hit the fairway. I know hitting a mid Iron down the middle 3 times will get me to the green and with 2 putts I'm writing down a 5. However the thought that I'll get hold of one with my driver and pipe it 240yards down the middle gets the better of me And as I watch it curling right into the trees 150 yards on the right I think why didn't you hit 5iron.
I’m in the same boat as you. Late August I decided to try and resurrect my game. Was shooting 100 usually. Played 1 time per year the last 20 or so years. Maybe because I turned 60 and want to actually enjoy going golfing. So I went to a local Golftec had a swing eval of 1.5 hours and bought a 500$ lesson package. Have had 4 lessons and shot 43 on a back 9 and highlight birdied an uphill par 4! I highly recommend starting from the ground up rather than just practicing your mistakes until you perfect them ;)
@@waynesorensen7071 Fortunately after not playing for so long theres little to no muscle memory. Meaning I needed to rebuild my swing from scratch. I know how to set up and how to grip the club correctly. I also know the difference between a good and bad swing. I use my local range with trackman to analyze my shots. Because I have devoloped a setup routine I can repeat my setup and swing consistantly. If I change something I know what I've changed and by how much and can see from trackman whether that change is better or worse. And intergrate it or go back to previous set up I've already added 40 yards to my drives that are straighter and turned a slice into a draw I want another 20-30 yards on my drive consitantly. And to be more realistic about my ability when playing shots to the green. I know I can pitch a wedge in at the pin and stop it within a few yards.( on a good day with a good lie) On a bad day I'll thin it through the green and end up playing my next shot ( if there even is one) from at least the same distance from an even worse lie. Last week I went to a 9 hole par3 (Par 27) course to practice my short game and shot 35 Which considering I hit my 1st shot on the first out of bounds and took 3 off the tee and rolled just off the right side of the green into a fallen tree branch (and an almost unplayable lie) that I couldn't move without moving my ball so literally flicked it about a 5 feet for my 4th shot and then got up and down for a 6. whilst still annoyed then roofed my tee shot on the second hole into the canopy of trees over the tee box dropping 40 to 50 yards infront of me instead of on the green and still made a 4. The other 4 strokes I dropped on the remaining 7 holes were literally 2 left an inch short one just missed right and the other lipped out. It obviously wasn't my day. That said, the first time I played thee when I just started I shot 42
I've got down to 18 in 3 years , and I can't over emphasise enough how important the short game is. Anyone can bomb driver , no good if youre making doubles and worse. Pitching, wedges, putting, half swing irons is now my fascination
I shoot like 82 to 87 area, I feel like I definitely got these ideas down. I think I just need more consistency putting and knowing when to lob and when to maybe just bump with an iron.
My driver got me in trouble all day, everything else was working. I'm going to play a couple of practice rounds using a 5 wood or 3 wood off the tee. I've been pretty consistent with my driver until yesterday and absolutely forgot about this strategy. I used it in the past and it works
The pros often back off on a tight par 4 and use 3w. Driver should be fine on a wide open 4 or 5. I don’t think he’s saying never use your driver…especially if you can hit it fairly well?
My Driver is my go to club off the tee - I use it on all but the short par 4s and 5s... I dont hit a 3 wood or hybrid any straighter than a driver, so why give up distance off the tee? I think it's because the club face of the driver is so much larger, so I have a greater margin for error. My 3 wood face is about half the size, so more room to screw it up, and i give up 20-30yds
Exactly!! If you hit your driver bad, I’ll bet you hit those fairway woods pretty nasty too. Distance matters! Plus it’s more fun to hit the big stick & you hopefully play golf cause it’s fun.
Absolutely. My driver is no less unreliable than any other club off the tee and is slightly longer, so is my go to club from all tees, including many par 3s.
This is where strokes gained apps come in handy. It quantifies a shot beyond our emotional response. You might well be best with a driver off every tee but there have been world class golfers who've been proven that what they thought they did isn't what they actually did.
🤣 if it’s Bermuda or thick brass around the fringe, this is where you definitely want to start using a hybrid as it will loft without you having to chip the ball. Break the friction and enable you to feel like it’s a putt.
Straightest driver in the history of the PGA Tour only hit 80% of the fairways. Tour data shows 3 fairway metal to be the same or slightly better. Great strategies here to help mid/high handicaps
You have got no idea what the average golfer is capable of. In my prime 1963-1983 I won 7 club championships, 3 district Championships and a VGL championship. Now at 78 I can’t reach par 4’s over 360m. In 2, so that effectively makes them par 5’s . Most courses would have at least 6 par 4 holes that length, making par for me effectively 78…breaking 85 is all about the length you can hit the ball. If you can’t hit it 200m. Breaking 85 on a par 72 course is not really possible. I can only hit the ball about 170m. Now.
@@waynesorensen7071 I bought a second hand driver in 2021 which I’m really pleased with… 170-180m. And a new lofted rescue which goes really well about 130m. The rest of my clubs are 18 years old. I did give the game away in 2010 I was playing off 6 then at age 66, so I could afford to travel overseas. I took it up again in 2021 and discovered I had lost about 50m with my driver. I’m only playing when I go to the country for a week or more so not regular and no practice anymore. Most of my scores now are between 85-90 with a few under and a few over.
You want me to hit 80% of fairways even though tour pros only average 70%. So don’t hit my driver until it’s my go to club🥴Seriously wtf are you saying here?
You’re a dreamer…players that are shooting 90.s aren’t going to keep 8 out of 10: tee shots on the fairway. Then you’ve got them trying to hit the green . They miss most greens and they aren’t great chippers…you’re a dreamer
“If I miss it, it’s not going in.” Can’t argue with that.
Reminds me of a study at Texas A&M where 90% of short putts didn’t go in.
At least he isn't lying to us!
Love the fact that every time he tries to prove a point he screws up. Fantastic!! I like this guy. He is absolutely right!
Never considered the importance of pace over line before - that’s a penny drop moment. Thanks!
Pace is the key the longer the putt the more important the pace.
Absolutely, I'm a 5 handicap and all these things hold true for me.
Good stuff! Thanks
This is all so obvious but our egos stop us from doing the right things! Thank you for this! 😀😀😀
Great video. I'm a 70s shooter but relearned several great principles
Love it! Thanks Matt.
Good advise. I'm stuck in the late 80's. Breaking 85 eludes me. I usually have 2 disasters that keep me out. That and bad driving accuracy.
I’d work on driver, most of us don’t play enough to avoid a bad hole or two out of 18, I’d say embrace that unless you play a lot it will happen and try and get your fairway percentage up as that will help you on every hole
For me, the answer was a 12° driver. So much easier to hit fairways and have more carry distance ‼️
excellent advice! thank you. Started focusing on lag putting with minimal aiming and putting from fringe this year and the scores dropped dramatically! Also drove w 3 wood when my driver was getting re-gripped. One of the best rounds of the year. Hmmm too much to think about. ha.
When this happens it’s a driver shaft type or length issue. Fix the driver shaft and it will be better than the 3 wood.
The trees are full of long hitters
This is a great guide to scoring well on the course in general. Work on your game and swing during practice. When you're on the course - score as ruthlessly and efficiently as you can.
Absolutely
Over reading lag putts have cost me plenty. Great points on all
Distance or dispersion? Golf course management. Chipping. Putting. Break 85? Not after an 8 minute video. Skill or lack thereof will determine the ability to break 85. But, it was a nicely done video!
Bloody good, particularly the putt tips 👍
Thank you!
Here are my 5 tips to shoot under 85:
1) get lessons, a bad golfer will never strategize their way out of being a bad golfer (I’m talking to myself on this one 😂)
2) practice 50% of your time around the green, get familiar with clubs 7i and down around the green
3) practice 3ft putts, having confidence with the short putts adds confidence to the rest of the short game as it relieves the stress
4) keep it in bounds, aim far away from trees and OB as you can
5) avoid punch out shots and fairway bunkers - anything that doesn’t allow you to make a full shot toward the green
Side note: if your short game is trash, 85 isn’t going to happen ever so that would be priority #1
I hit a drive on fourteen yesterday , driver is my go to club on this hole , its a long hole for me and bogey is fine my second shot was a 5 wood a bit above my feet but i felt i could draw it onto the apron from there and keep short of the bunkers , i fatted it a little and it fell to the right hand rough 60 yrds short of the pin 75 yrds is an easy 56 degree for me and i was into a stiff wind so that was my shot , i stiffed it a foot from the flag for a very rare par . I very much doubt i would have made par from the apron on a three foot tiered green with flag at the back . I wont say it was an eye opener but i will say its proof that what you and a very few others say is true . Play within yourself and to your best advantage .
Big thumbs up from me and this video is now in my pre round playlist 👍
I will just add that if i play too conservative and have a crap round its worst than having a bad round where ive taken some risks 🤷🏻♂️
Great to hear your applying it to your game.
Such a brilliant video, thanks so much. Went from 25 handicap to 10 in a year by applying many of these tips. Thanks again.
Awesome to hear!!! That's great improvement Andrew.
Best golf video I've seen in years. Nice job. I have been thinking about using this strategy to stop shooting 91. I use 3 wood on the first 2 holes of my club for that reason, if I hit a bad shot it isn't out of bounds, I can still make a bogey.
Lost balls are a scoring killer! Have to keep it in play.
I like how you were demonstrating why you should putt over chipping and then chipped it in the hole. LOL. But I agree. I use my putter when ever I can. Even out of rough lies green side. Once its not too bad rough
The key to breaking 85 is to hit the ball less than 85 times per round.
Mmmm I do agree.
Good advice, Yogi.
Mr science you should be called Captain Obvious
Excellent points!! I use all of these except .... use the driver more than I should. My new 3H will be my safe fairway club on par 4s. As we all know if you're in the fairway you have a shot 😉
I've just taken up golf (3 months ago)after not playing at all for 25 years and not playing regularly for more like 40 years. (when I was in my teens, I'm still just the right side of 60)
My goal this year is to consistantly break 100. I Shot 97 a month ago on my 8th round since starting again.I then didn't play for a month and shot 54 on the front 9 at the same course last week ( only had time for 9 holes) Actually I was playing that badly I could have easily hit 60+ on the back nine with all the water. I think my problem is taking on too ambitious shots thinking I can still play them. Ironically on occasions after play said shot badly I've dropped another ball and played the shot again (just to see) and pulled it off. I know as I'm playing, what the "sensible" shot should be. Even when on the tee waving the driver at a Par4 hoping to hit the fairway. I know hitting a mid Iron down the middle 3 times will get me to the green and with 2 putts I'm writing down a 5. However the thought that I'll get hold of one with my driver and pipe it 240yards down the middle gets the better of me And as I watch it curling right into the trees 150 yards on the right I think why didn't you hit 5iron.
I’m in the same boat as you. Late August I decided to try and resurrect my game. Was shooting 100 usually. Played 1 time per year the last 20 or so years. Maybe because I turned 60 and want to actually enjoy going golfing. So I went to a local Golftec had a swing eval of 1.5 hours and bought a 500$ lesson package. Have had 4 lessons and shot 43 on a back 9 and highlight birdied an uphill par 4! I highly recommend starting from the ground up rather than just practicing your mistakes until you perfect them ;)
@@waynesorensen7071
Fortunately after not playing for so long theres little to no muscle memory.
Meaning I needed to rebuild my swing from scratch.
I know how to set up and how to grip the club correctly. I also know the difference between a good and bad swing. I use my local range with trackman to analyze my shots. Because I have devoloped a setup routine I can repeat my setup and swing consistantly. If I change something I know what I've changed and by how much and can see from trackman whether that change is better or worse. And intergrate it or go back to previous set up I've already added 40 yards to my drives that are straighter and turned a slice into a draw I want another 20-30 yards on my drive consitantly. And to be more realistic about my ability when playing shots to the green. I know I can pitch a wedge in at the pin and stop it within a few yards.( on a good day with a good lie) On a bad day I'll thin it through the green and end up playing my next shot ( if there even is one) from at least the same distance from an even worse lie.
Last week I went to a 9 hole par3 (Par 27) course to practice my short game
and shot 35 Which considering I hit my 1st shot on the first out of bounds and took 3 off the tee and rolled just off the right side of the green into a fallen tree branch (and an almost unplayable lie) that I couldn't move without moving my ball so literally flicked it about a 5 feet for my 4th shot and then got up and down for a 6. whilst still annoyed then roofed my tee shot on the second hole into the canopy of trees over the tee box dropping 40 to 50 yards infront of me instead of on the green and still made a 4. The other 4 strokes I dropped on the remaining 7 holes were literally 2 left an inch short one just missed right and the other lipped out. It obviously wasn't my day.
That said, the first time I played thee when I just started I shot 42
I've got down to 18 in 3 years , and I can't over emphasise enough how important the short game is. Anyone can bomb driver , no good if youre making doubles and worse. Pitching, wedges, putting, half swing irons is now my fascination
If your are 18, stop giving advice
@@jordybeans2392 If you haven't got anything positive to say don't say it at all
@@jordybeans2392 that’s nonsense. he is giving advice to people who for whom being an 18 is their intermediate goal.
What’s the difference between 18 and 6 handicap?
@@waynesorensen7071 ? not a lot. Depends on ability and how you apply yourself
I shoot like 82 to 87 area, I feel like I definitely got these ideas down. I think I just need more consistency putting and knowing when to lob and when to maybe just bump with an iron.
Have you tried the Short Game Challenge? See if that helps with your short game and knowing when to keep the ball on the ground vs in the air.
best golf advice on youtube ever!
APPRECIATE it!
My driver got me in trouble all day, everything else was working. I'm going to play a couple of practice rounds using a 5 wood or 3 wood off the tee. I've been pretty consistent with my driver until yesterday and absolutely forgot about this strategy. I used it in the past and it works
The pros often back off on a tight par 4 and use 3w. Driver should be fine on a wide open 4 or 5. I don’t think he’s saying never use your driver…especially if you can hit it fairly well?
Great video! These are exactly what I need to do!
The one key to playing better golf is playing more golf
twice a week is a must for improevment, hands down.
Great lesson
Hope it helps you shoot consistently lower scores!
Solid very solid advice
I'm bad about #3....I chip way more often than I should, when I could putt it
Great advice, TSM.
Such GREAT advice! I’ll use this all on my next round. Thank you!
Great practical advice!
My Driver is my go to club off the tee - I use it on all but the short par 4s and 5s... I dont hit a 3 wood or hybrid any straighter than a driver, so why give up distance off the tee? I think it's because the club face of the driver is so much larger, so I have a greater margin for error. My 3 wood face is about half the size, so more room to screw it up, and i give up 20-30yds
Exactly!! If you hit your driver bad, I’ll bet you hit those fairway woods pretty nasty too. Distance matters! Plus it’s more fun to hit the big stick & you hopefully play golf cause it’s fun.
Absolutely. My driver is no less unreliable than any other club off the tee and is slightly longer, so is my go to club from all tees, including many par 3s.
Lol Say what?
This is where strokes gained apps come in handy. It quantifies a shot beyond our emotional response.
You might well be best with a driver off every tee but there have been world class golfers who've been proven that what they thought they did isn't what they actually did.
Five great points! Thanks...
Happy to hear they resonated with you!
great tips simplified, love it!
Glad you liked it!!
It's all about course management and being conservative. We all know this but it's more fun to hit driver. Golfers are eternal optimists off the tee😅
Excellent tips!!! Thank you
Great video! Thanks.
Here’s the major issue- I can’t break 100 because I have no idea what I’m doing with any of my irons. Might start playing with putter and woods only!
Good tips, thanks.
Thank you,that's great advice..
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this great advice.
Glad it was helpful!
best golf lesson ever @@thescoringmethod
The key to breaking 85? Getting 84.
Or only play 9 holes. 😂
Putting on from the fringe - have you seen the fringe at my course ?😅
🤣 if it’s Bermuda or thick brass around the fringe, this is where you definitely want to start using a hybrid as it will loft without you having to chip the ball. Break the friction and enable you to feel like it’s a putt.
@@thescoringmethod oh - you’re assuming we have grass - I’ll look for some and let you know 😂
Straightest driver in the history of the PGA Tour only hit 80% of the fairways. Tour data shows 3 fairway metal to be the same or slightly better. Great strategies here to help mid/high handicaps
Thanks Edgar!
Straightest driver is usually the shortest driver too ,-and never won a tournament!
Thanks for this
Glad it helped!
It's like you made this video for me.
You have got no idea what the average golfer is capable of. In my prime 1963-1983 I won 7 club championships, 3 district Championships and a VGL championship. Now at 78 I can’t reach par 4’s over 360m. In 2, so that effectively makes them par 5’s . Most courses would have at least 6 par 4 holes that length, making par for me effectively 78…breaking 85 is all about the length you can hit the ball.
If you can’t hit it 200m. Breaking 85 on a par 72 course is not really possible. I can only hit the ball about 170m. Now.
Have you upgraded your equipment and ball lately?
@@waynesorensen7071 I bought a second hand driver in 2021 which I’m really pleased with… 170-180m. And a new lofted rescue which goes really well about 130m. The rest of my clubs are 18 years old. I did give the game away in 2010 I was playing off 6 then at age 66, so I could afford to travel overseas. I took it up again in 2021 and discovered I had lost about 50m with my driver. I’m only playing when I go to the country for a week or more so not regular and no practice anymore. Most of my scores now are between 85-90 with a few under and a few over.
Yoga , Gym, strength training
Anything is possible
If you can use the flat stick... use it
Great! Thank you b
Glad you enjoyed it!
2 and 3 are great tips...
You forgot to mention about taking our time between shots.
Video would have been much better without the background equipment noise
So you can get me from 109 to 85……
That’s so far apart I can’t even do the math….
Apply everything in the video over the next couple of months and see what happens. You may be surprised
When you can just "hit the ball generally where you intend to hit it", everything else is easy.
sound advice that
This is me
Unless you're a single digit handicap, you've got no business gaming a lob wedge
I hate any kind of wedge..
I like my 1 iron.
A chip and a putt is a simple par…not for people shooting 90’s…you spent too much time in your pro shop.
You want me to hit 80% of fairways even though tour pros only average 70%. So don’t hit my driver until it’s my go to club🥴Seriously wtf are you saying here?
Why not just spend that time working on the driver?
That’s what every one has been doing for years and this video is to show them now that working on driver does not work how to shoot lower scores.
Tip #1 don't shank more than half your shots
Also very helpful 😂
You’re a golf pro…well not a very good one. ..you need to watch some golfers who score 90. Then you might understand what their limitations are.
Being conservative tells your brain to be careful. You are telling yourself you will fail. No risk it No biscuit!
Multiple statements of the bleeding obvious….🙄
You’re a dreamer…players that are shooting 90.s aren’t going to keep 8 out of 10: tee shots on the fairway.
Then you’ve got them trying to hit the green . They miss most greens and they aren’t great chippers…you’re a dreamer
It's a bit obvious really isn't it ?
Easiest way to break 85 is just to play 9 holes.