People need to stop taking the blame off Tony. He’s the only one booking all this crap and won’t give any power up because this is his dream. He’s like Vince, he’s never stepping down even though he’s burned out.
@@Dewaynesite1 True, because he was a very good heel for the time and had the ultimate working man babyface at the time. But going back to watch Raw is painful sometimes, because Vince and his family are just yapping so much. Without Austin it wouldn’t have worked.
All of this is on Tony. He was right next to Punk at the press conference. He could've said, "Hey let's talk about this later, we'll straighten it out", but Tony doesn't want to really be a boss. Perry was totally in the wrong and why was it on Punk to tell him not to do it rather than management? Notice that AEW ratings have gone down since that footage was on.
He literally sat next to punk at a press conference and nodded along when Punk said Hangman "hadn't done anything in this business" Does anyone think Vince would allow his companies only homegrown world champion to be referred to as "not having down anything worth a damn in this business? I don't think so, that was the moment right there that let me know even Tony knows if the only world title on your resume is the AEW World title, you'll still be considered as not achieving real success
@@moriordan85 If that was Vince Hangman page wouldnt have been world champion carrying the company. Anyone can say whatever about Mcmahon's personal ethics. But he picked the right people to be the top guys of the company. Hogan, Bret/Shawn, Austin/Rock, Cena, and Roman. Roman was a case of the right pick but initially presented in the wrong way as Vince had lost his touch by then but not his instinct. He was right about who the guy was but wrong in how to present him initially. What happened with Punk and the Elite would have never got that far in WWE because Vince or someone else would have handled it internally behind the scenes. That is what happens with structure and a boss instead of what you have a mark nerd as a boss that wants to be everyone's friend and not be a boss. Khan is a internet forum user that shit posts on social media in rants and makes a mockery of himself and his company in the process. Brawl out and the rest of the Punk situation was just the glaring symptom of a broken structure that took that long to get spotlighted openly and obvious to all. The writing on the wall was Cody leaving a company he helped found and Regal seeking quick exit to go back to WWE. Both of them are smart enough to see the boat is taking on water. The moment AEW booked Danielson to lose clean to Hangman after he came into AEW i knew the company had no real future as competition to WWE. They have zero insight in creating and maintaining hype. Wrestling fans can make their own initial hype for something on a debut or whatever. But when the immediate and early progression of events on the show kills that within two months it renders it meaningless. Which is what has happened to literally everyone AEW signs. Because Khan is a idiot.
@@zeromagnum2811 lol Hanger was a better wrestler than Reigns ever was long before you knew who at least one even was. Only thing special about Reigns is nepotism.
Cody was trying to give direction to AEW. Cody was about storytelling just like his Father was. Every drop of blood meant something not just bleeding just because (ex Jon Moxley). Save the high spots for the PPV. But every episode it’s the same thing ,Orange Cassidy starting the show, Jon Moxley bleeding just because, Young Bucks not defending the title often, No creative direction, start and stop pushes for many people and no consistency. AEW is just a company that pays wrestlers more money for subpar work.
In the end Cody and Punk wanted the company to grow. Unfortunately that wasn't good for guys like the Elite who wanted AEW to be a indy show with actual money behind it. We are now seeing the end results.
For them it was a victory. They don't care about company growing. They still get paid regardless and can do whatever they want. AEW for bucks is like endless holidays you get paid for.
I was one of their biggest fans. But how Tony showed his trust fund brat side and the nosy behaviour of EVPs with stale storyline made me turned off years ago
Same here. I supported them early years but then I realize what kind of people Tony and The Young Bucks are, I was like nope! It wasn’t just about the CM Punk, I’m more intrigue on what happens with Cody. If he said, just paraphrasing it “as long you keep my name and out of your mouth, then I won’t say anything bad about AEW.” 😮
While over WWE under DX's leadership: *CM Punk had a fantastic rivalry with Drew McIntyre leading towards their brutal, epic and bloody Hell in a Cell match at Bad Blood, which is now one of THE Greatest Hell in a Cell matches in WWE history *Cody Rhodes finishes his story to become Undisputed WWE Champion ending Roman Reigns epic title reign *All-Ego Ethan Page becomes NXT Champion *Giulia, Stephanie Vaquer, Jordynne Grace, and Zaria (Delta) debut at NXT to spark the Womens Division *Erick Rowan return to WWE as Ramblin Rabbit of The Wyatt Sicks *MCMG debuts at SmackDown and won the WWE Tag Team Championships from The New Bloodline's Guerillas of Destiny *Joe Hendry became one of the instant rising stars of WWE *Jacob Fatu had his monstrous debut and he was the newest enforcer/right-hand man of The New Bloodline *Lexis King (f.k.a Brian Pillman Jr.) debuts at NXT *Shawn Spears returns to NXT
@Moneymanwow I didn't even have to watch that garbage to see punk put it in his mouth after came out of Drew's trunks so ya ball sweat bracelet bud you must enjoy them yourself
In wcw, there are three pivotal moments which led to their decline/demise. 1. Starrcade 97 screwup 2. The radicalz leave 3. The merger. For aew their three pivotal moments are: 3.cody leaving-one of your founders/EVPs leave. That isn’t a good look. 2. The brawl out press conference-punk aired all the dirty laundry. Exposed aew as a just a well funded indie show. 1. Vince’s departure-aew was initially marketed as anti wwe. With vince gone, majority of those wwe-isms were gone too.
I wouldn't say Starrcade 97 screwup led to the decline of WCW (but it DID make the WCW fans sick and tired of the same NWO over and over again). the FINGERPOKE OF DOOM was one of the pivotal moments which led to the downfall of WCW. As for Cody Rhodes leaving AEW, sounds similar to AJ Styles, isn't it?
The bucks are one reason when they are on screen people change the channel or turn off completely. AEW was formed at a time wwe was ice cold. Fast forward a few years HHH is in charge and better. Story lines and such. Even nxt is alot better now. The fact NXT had beaten AEW 4 out of 5 weeks is saying something
If they would just present themselves, when a little bit of straight edge may be all right. And I just fundamentally don't understand the wrestling business if they did " the money was with CM punk" what ultimately it is Tony Khan fault... Every storyline it's about friends wtf not about the money you get when you are champion. Or the fact that the notoriety or women that comes with that, possibly even the pure I'm better than you "competition that men usually have" and it just has too many people doing nothing. That's what led to the firing of Colt Cabana because he wasn't doing anything. But instead of Tony Khan sing this is why he was fired... He stays silent.
Agreed the bucks got no personality and they need to revamp. Get rid of those wrestling suits, get more ripped and probably cut all that hair. Also old wrestlers like Chris Jericho eddie Kingston etc need way less tv time. I don't even watch the RUclips vids cause tough old guy shi Tony like is just cringe. Storylines are also too short, they need stories lasting more than 3 months for both men and women not just high paid performers
Remember the days Punk was a cancer, a ticking timebomb and nobody in the company liked him according to “backstage reports”? The guy just had feud of the year and they’re already restructuring his contract to get him more involved, not to mention his work with NXT talent who adore him. And they thought showing the backstage altercation video was a good idea. Karma hasn’t been more glorious than the backlash on these idiots.
@@LightChaser2099 And yet, the Bucks have now gone on a 'vacation' because no one gives a flying f*ck about them and they need to pout about it. Meanwhile, Punk is doing just fine and working well with the talent down in NXT. Cope and seethe, friend.
As much as I wanted AEW to succeed, it has come to me in recent months that it will probably be best to someone else handle the content & writing over at AEW. Tony Khan should be focusing more on other aspects exclusively including branding and tv deals. Nowadays it felt like AEW is the 4th best brand behind TNA, NJPW & WWE.
AEW is working with NJPW so they will be fine. As far as TNA they will be losing talent soon they are heading up to Maple Leaf Pro who is also working with AEW.
i realized what you just said in 2022 when i stopped watching AEw in the summer of that year before even brawl out. That companys identity died when Cody left. and it never got it back. probably never will. Khan is a doofus mark who books for a fringe group of elitist marks in the iwc to which he has admitted. I book for the sicko's he said in his own words. And they are the only ones who watch aside from a select few who watch it hoping that maybe it will recover or get better. But it wont. Not as long as he owns it Because he has too much ego to step aside and admit he is wrong.
@@MuertoLoco4Life Has nothing to do with in ring. It was his contributions in the management of the company's direction. After he left coherency and sense making storylines also left. But as shown AEW would have been intelligent to feature him as a top guy instead of Jericho all things considered. As one company is selling out with Cody as Champion and AEW can't fill a arena regardless of who they put the belt on. AEW is only still in existence because Khan is willing to blow loads of his billions on it. otherwise it would have went under by now because they don't make money off that company.
How are you going to have a storyline that your group was taking over when the heads of the group are literal EVPs of the company? After attacking Tony, they had no ideas past that because it seemed the actual boss of the company was ok with employees attacking him. He just wore a neck brace. That's the only way it effected him.
Because - this might shock you - Tony Khan had no plan. Tony woke up one day and said “I wanna get piledriven” and Matt or Nick said “can we get our friend Jack to play with us?” and Tony agreed.
@@aceblaz5502probably with the elite being the conquering heroes even though it won't make any sense and we are going to have to ignore that they did the same thing the BCC (or deathriders) were doing.
@@eucliffe7267 Interesting how it gradually got worse and worse the longer Cody was gone... He actually might have been crucial to what made their first few years so great.
They picked Jack Perry (who doesnt draw) over CM Punk (who does draw) even when Jack was the one who was the problem in that situation Business masterclass
Not surprising though, as Punk said, Tony Khan isn’t a boss. He doesn’t want people like Punk or Cody who have a backbone and will say their piece and not just cup Tony’s balls and tell him how great he is. He wants yes men around him, that’s now what he has, and the company is nosediving
They didn't pick Perry over Punk you dunce. Punk attacked a co-worker off script because his feelings were hurt. If that happened at any other job Punk would have been fired, arrested and charged with assault. If it wasn't caught on camera it would have just gotten swept under the rug. The problem was Punk had issues with a lot of the locker room and instead of dealing with it TK kept sweeping it and then kept caving to Punk. If Punk wasn't a drama obsessed diva why the 180 persona change? Could it be Punk is contractually obligated to be a good little boy or he's fired again. These aren't the old days people will be sued into oblivion for stupid shit. Be an adult and more importantly lead the locker room as the elder statesman instead of being a cry baby that gets butt hurt when people say something about you.
Jack perry is the definition of an anti-draw: When he shows up on screen, people switch the channel. Actually...come to think of it, thats the Young Bucks too.
With AEW’s track record of shitty storytelling or straight up giving up on a storyline, I gave up on watching AEW completely. No one will ever take WWE’s number 1 spot as the premier pro wrestling company.
Tony’s going from The Elite to The Plumbers Association is like going from hot garbage to raw sewage. The Hurt syndicate should be the only heel group of note with Lashley Benjamin Hobbs MVP & maybe Riccochet.
Without the Elite then there is no Hangman, without the Bullet Club(specifically now Finn Balor) there would be no Young Bucks. That's Balor's biggest crime in wrestling. Giving those two idiots a spot in the big leagues
@@josecarlosramolete6109 i mean he would know not to do that, bischoff i mean since he did it himself. so it would make sense for him to notice it when others are doing the same thing
Jealousy is a hell of a thing. None of the elite members including Jack Perry will ever be as big as CM Punk and they hate it which is why they are dooming the company they helped start
The Elite barely exists as what it once was. Years ago they led a revolution that helped bring pro wrestling back. Now, their arguable leader/face Kenny Omega has been out and is barely attached to them at this point, Cody’s gone to do wonderful things for his career and legacy in the WWE, Hangman is…well he’s Hangman stabbing people with hospital needles, the Bucks are revealed even more so to be coattail riding and selfish to the point of wantingAEW to be run like an expensive indie, Cole is a wash, and Okada (whose starpower has EVAPORATED since being brought into The Elite) and Perry don’t fit in at ALL as new additions. The Elite isn’t what it used to be.
People sleep on the whole "punishment committee" or whatever. Imagine Hangman embarrasses Punk on live tv and nothing happened to him was the key to the collapse of Aew. Punk got injured and the moment he returned he called out Hangman on live TV as a bitch. Months later and punk just stewed on it. He got ghosted by Tony Khan and proceeded to finally have enough. You can't make this shit up. The total collapse of Aew has been glorious to watch. Ha.
The worst thing about that was that I don't even think he realized what he was doing wrong. The issue was more that Punk and Hangman agreed on what they were going to go out there to talk about and Hangman went into business for himself, but what he said was just as important. Hangman said he was going to defend AEW from Punk. Now if Hangman was the babyface and Punk was the heel, fine. Perfect. But it was the other way around. Hangman was the heel. He's the homegrown boy... one of the OGs and been there since day one. He's an Elite. That's a line that would turn him babyface and would turn Punk heel. These guys don't understand what they're doing out there and it's hilarious. The crowd actually did start reacting to that line as if they were going to flip both wrestlers. Ultimately nothing happened, but it could've completely changed Punk's entire trajectory as a babyface. If you think I'm full of it, then tell me what happened with Brit Baker and The Outcasts. She took the very same position, and it was the line that turned her babyface. She's protecting and defending AEW from these three women that came from WWE.
Adam Page: Hangman Adam Page should have turned heel during his feud with Swerve Strickland with Page even challenging Swerve to a match for the World Title at All Out after his brutal feud with Darby Allin,but later Hangman and Bucks join forces to become The Elite once again and even attack Tony Khan. Kezuchika Okada: Kezuchika Okada should have debuted as a member of the Don Callus Family pairing himself with Don Callus given their history in NJPW and Okada facing Samoa Joe for the AEW World Title at Forbidden Door 2023. Jungle Boy: Jungle Boy should have became the 2023 Owen Hart Foundation winner with Jungle Boy even defeating his former mentor Christian Cage,and continuing his feud with the Patriarch. The Young Bucks: Nick Jackson and Matt Jackson should have began a feud with Aussie Open that exposes their growing frustrations with The Young Bucks even turning heel and aligning themselves with Hangman Adam Page.
I really don't understand this moronic modern trend of filling up your videos with random stock footage and clips that have nothing to do with the video content. Why is Steve Harvey here @1:52? Who the hell is this guy @4:58? Is Chandler Bing relevant somehow @7:24? Why do so many channels do this stupid shit these days? Is it like the video editors are all getting paid-by-the-hour, so they just stuff videos full of extra crap to justify a higher paycheck?
Lol yeah agreed.. it's supposed to be funny to put little memes w/in your videos to exemplify some sort of emotion. But I don't think it was needed in this video.
I know people say AEW went down hill after Punk left, and it def did but AEW was starting to suck big time after Cody left. I just think many fans were in denial at that point because we still loved the company. But you can massively tell the difference in AEW pre Cody leaving and post leaving
No this all started with Adam Page deciding to attempt a shoot promo on CM Punk that failed btw it also started with whoever was telling the dirt sheets Punk tried to get Punk fired
The problem is that they didn't capitalize on The Elite being in charge like they should have. There were no lasting repercussions to those who opposed them, they never tried to use the numbers advantage in their matches, they never even made a match where they had the advantage. Plus Christopher Daniels being the interim EVP and having the power to change not only undone anything The Elite (specifically The Young Bucks) have done but also put them into matches without much protest really damages the credibility of The Elite being in charge of AEW. What should have happened was The Elite do what they want, people try to stop them, those people were punished, and when Swerve Strickland's team defeated The Elite they had to either disband or stop being EVPs in storyline, with them settling for the latter.
Fans wanted to see Tony Khan get involved with the wrestlers? But they forgot something...he's NO Vince McMahon! Vince knows the wrestling business inside and out. He knew how to book himself. Even against top wrestlers. Wheras, Tony Khan don't. Tony knows nothing about wrestling. He's literally a wrestling fan who runs a wrestling promotion
There's never a long term plan for anything and anybody in AEW. Everyone just ends up where they've always been. Back to the toy box until Tony wants to play with you.
I feel like with Cody leaving the story telling in aew fully died. He was the only man pushing for some story telling meanwhile the others had no interest in that and just wanted to do flips and take digs at wwe
Jungle Boy, MJF, Sammy Guevara, & Darby Allen were supposed to be who they pushed to be the top guys. They were supposed to be young, up & comers that werent from WWE (the place we were all tired of).. but then it just became a mini WWE or even TNA. Just not what we wanted or expected.
Lol. Its never over for anyone on Tv. All the Elite would need to do is "Go Away." Play the background for a year and work on building other talent. After a year or so, start coming back into the picture as Baby Faces. NOONE is gonna complain or even speculate on whats going on when wrestlers disappear suddenly and then pop back up some time later. Its actually what fans love most about the biz. I think The Elites biggest issue is that they saw themselves as the "Bad Guys" and they ran with it. They should've "Masked" themselves as the Good Guys at that point, then later down the line, show their true colors....Ive said it before that AEW is smart. They just have to take more time to invest in building the script before handing it out to the talent.
With the whole CM punk situation, I think what Hangman said was true. There are people jn AEW who didn’t want Punk there, so they started causing all these backstage issues so they can trigger CM Punk which they did, and everything turned out as they did which is why Punk called out their bs. He saw through everything.
I'm bot gonna shit on AEW but it's just so damn disappointing, they got it all but wtf like what are they doing what the hell jave they been doing for the past two years jeez
just fire Bucks, Mone, Saraya and actually use all the people that carried AEW through the Pandemic, and if Ruby Soho returns, for Gods sake use her well.
AEW started off as a shining beacon of freshness, using talent who'd made a name for themselves on the independent scene (with just enough big names to give it credibility). Then, in no time at all, TK began importing former WWE talent wholesale, pushing those other names aside, spending money like a sixteen-year-old with his first paycheck. What does AEW feel like now? To me, it feels like the greasy car lot down the street where rundown cars are being passed off as fresh and with low miles. Horrid writing, flakey storylines that never finish, and too many former WWE guys that are constantly getting injured have merged into walking nightmare and ratings disaster.
Most of the guys in the Ring don't even look like Wrestlers to me. And at 10:14 in,the clips they have shown of the in ring action is boring foolishness.
@@josecarlosramolete6109 - That was under Vince McMahon, and Triple H was a different person back then. Now, with Vince out of the company and Triple H taking the wheel, I doubt that that will happen.
I literally quit watching aew because I can't stand the sight of the Young bucks or Jack Perry 🤷 it's not that they get heat, it's that I will immediately change the channel when they appear on TV.
Sad to see what a sh*tshow it has become. I started watching it from the first day itself, when they actually had a vision and were an alternate for WWE
The Bucks were actually quoting Punk from 2021. And i agree this ''AEW dropped the ball with (insert current WWE superstars name) is getting boring and repetitive
Hangman page and superstar dont go together. A superstar is someone that has mainstream appeal and known and can draw them in views with sales of merchandise..that is not the elite. But cm punk is just like the rock, hulk Hogan, the bloodline etc
The Elites are beyond stale and boring and just have go away heat , they should go off screen role and let the new talents shine. Its no wonder AEW sucked most of 2024 when they were main focus of the show and it only started get better once they are gone. The AEW roster had so many talents that are sidelined or haven't been on tv for months. It's like Tony Khan finds a shiny new toy give them a mega push hype their debut then forget about them a month after . This start and stop booking doesn't help anyone, he need to hire competent writers and make consistent booking.
Everything special about Jack Perry came out of "Glass". I'm not following AEW since last year or so actually, so, I don't know what's going on there. But, I'm happy that they're still doing good.
The biggest issue is that there isn’t anyone who knows how to tell long term compelling stories. They also can’t put petty issues aside to make money like had always been the case in wrestling. The best storylines are the ones mixed with real life issues.
Every heel faction need strong leader,the buck act like leader is a mistake because they only focus on tagteam while the feud usually involve with single wrestler fighting for main event title
Only thing that would make AEW of any entertainment value is if Vince or Shane McMahon show up and have an invasion angle. But even that might be too late to save AEW.
Everything from Hangman’s title win to this story, the places nuggets problem is that it’s great to create a moment but means little if you don’t know how to follow up, and that’s their biggest weakness
How is the TNT title more important than their World champions ? Jack couldn't win the world title ? Are they All copying Austin theory cashing in on the mid card title
With as much crap the elite gets, I feel the say about Jon's group. They have no direction, and every promo is more cryptid and full of nonsense than a Bray Wyatt promo. They don't sell, and act to cool for anyone in any of their matches.
I think the problem is the bucks suck and you can only hide it for so long! They just whack it. It all comes back to the in ring work and the out of ring work. If you have seen one young bucks match, you have seen them all and the same thing goes for their promos.
It takes a special kind of talent to get set on fire and still not have any heat.
😂😂😂
damn😂
lol 🤣
Forreal 😂
lmfaoo
Tony needs to stop listening to the Elite, they’re just as responsible for tanking AEW with their egos
People need to stop taking the blame off Tony. He’s the only one booking all this crap and won’t give any power up because this is his dream. He’s like Vince, he’s never stepping down even though he’s burned out.
@joesmoe8841 To be fair Vince actually flipped a profit by being an ego machine.
@@Dewaynesite1 True, because he was a very good heel for the time and had the ultimate working man babyface at the time. But going back to watch Raw is painful sometimes, because Vince and his family are just yapping so much. Without Austin it wouldn’t have worked.
@@joesmoe8841 It wasn't just Austin that made it work.
@@joesmoe8841I don’t see much difference between triple h and Vince
All of this is on Tony. He was right next to Punk at the press conference. He could've said, "Hey let's talk about this later, we'll straighten it out", but Tony doesn't want to really be a boss. Perry was totally in the wrong and why was it on Punk to tell him not to do it rather than management?
Notice that AEW ratings have gone down since that footage was on.
He literally sat next to punk at a press conference and nodded along when Punk said Hangman "hadn't done anything in this business"
Does anyone think Vince would allow his companies only homegrown world champion to be referred to as "not having down anything worth a damn in this business?
I don't think so, that was the moment right there that let me know even Tony knows if the only world title on your resume is the AEW World title, you'll still be considered as not achieving real success
@@moriordan85 Hell, Vince wouldn't allow him to be like that to the press.
@@moriordan85 If that was Vince Hangman page wouldnt have been world champion carrying the company. Anyone can say whatever about Mcmahon's personal ethics. But he picked the right people to be the top guys of the company. Hogan, Bret/Shawn, Austin/Rock, Cena, and Roman. Roman was a case of the right pick but initially presented in the wrong way as Vince had lost his touch by then but not his instinct. He was right about who the guy was but wrong in how to present him initially. What happened with Punk and the Elite would have never got that far in WWE because Vince or someone else would have handled it internally behind the scenes. That is what happens with structure and a boss instead of what you have a mark nerd as a boss that wants to be everyone's friend and not be a boss. Khan is a internet forum user that shit posts on social media in rants and makes a mockery of himself and his company in the process. Brawl out and the rest of the Punk situation was just the glaring symptom of a broken structure that took that long to get spotlighted openly and obvious to all. The writing on the wall was Cody leaving a company he helped found and Regal seeking quick exit to go back to WWE. Both of them are smart enough to see the boat is taking on water. The moment AEW booked Danielson to lose clean to Hangman after he came into AEW i knew the company had no real future as competition to WWE. They have zero insight in creating and maintaining hype. Wrestling fans can make their own initial hype for something on a debut or whatever. But when the immediate and early progression of events on the show kills that within two months it renders it meaningless. Which is what has happened to literally everyone AEW signs. Because Khan is a idiot.
@@zeromagnum2811 lol Hanger was a better wrestler than Reigns ever was long before you knew who at least one even was. Only thing special about Reigns is nepotism.
Cola cola 😂
Cody was trying to give direction to AEW. Cody was about storytelling just like his Father was. Every drop of blood meant something not just bleeding just because (ex Jon Moxley). Save the high spots for the PPV. But every episode it’s the same thing ,Orange Cassidy starting the show, Jon Moxley bleeding just because, Young Bucks not defending the title often, No creative direction, start and stop pushes for many people and no consistency.
AEW is just a company that pays wrestlers more money for subpar work.
AEW need to press the reset button at this point.
In the end Cody and Punk wanted the company to grow. Unfortunately that wasn't good for guys like the Elite who wanted AEW to be a indy show with actual money behind it. We are now seeing the end results.
The “Jon Moxley bleeds all the time“ argument is very two years ago. Moxley has not bled much at all since his return with the Death Riders
I agree and I don't even really like Cody.
@@TheSoundwaveprime nicely said
The moment the young bucks did that victory lap it was all over for them.
Ha.
In that half empty arena no less. Never has a image so perfectly captured AEW in a nutshell
@TheSoundwaveprime you get it. Here have a 🍪.
Ha.
@Am0ment0fB thanks lol
@@TheSoundwaveprime enjoy! They're magical.
Ha.
For them it was a victory. They don't care about company growing. They still get paid regardless and can do whatever they want. AEW for bucks is like endless holidays you get paid for.
I was one of their biggest fans. But how Tony showed his trust fund brat side and the nosy behaviour of EVPs with stale storyline made me turned off years ago
So what do you watch cause their stale storytelling is still better than the stale storylines of wwe so I wonder what promotion do you watch
@@maxmuller5773yup ratings,and attendance says it all😂🤡
You people are so delusional.
Same here. I supported them early years but then I realize what kind of people Tony and The Young Bucks are, I was like nope! It wasn’t just about the CM Punk, I’m more intrigue on what happens with Cody. If he said, just paraphrasing it “as long you keep my name and out of your mouth, then I won’t say anything bad about AEW.” 😮
While over WWE under DX's leadership:
*CM Punk had a fantastic rivalry with Drew McIntyre leading towards their brutal, epic and bloody Hell in a Cell match at Bad Blood, which is now one of THE Greatest Hell in a Cell matches in WWE history
*Cody Rhodes finishes his story to become Undisputed WWE Champion ending Roman Reigns epic title reign
*All-Ego Ethan Page becomes NXT Champion
*Giulia, Stephanie Vaquer, Jordynne Grace, and Zaria (Delta) debut at NXT to spark the Womens Division
*Erick Rowan return to WWE as Ramblin Rabbit of The Wyatt Sicks
*MCMG debuts at SmackDown and won the WWE Tag Team Championships from The New Bloodline's Guerillas of Destiny
*Joe Hendry became one of the instant rising stars of WWE
*Jacob Fatu had his monstrous debut and he was the newest enforcer/right-hand man of The New Bloodline
*Lexis King (f.k.a Brian Pillman Jr.) debuts at NXT
*Shawn Spears returns to NXT
You left out losing Jade. Ha.
Yes the ball sweat bracelet rivalry top not abooggabooga
@@ryancasteel8213the ball sweat??? 🤣🤣🤣
@Moneymanwow I didn't even have to watch that garbage to see punk put it in his mouth after came out of Drew's trunks so ya ball sweat bracelet bud you must enjoy them yourself
@@Moneymanwow bracelet in Drew's tights & then punks mouth ball sweat bracelet your favorite bro
In wcw, there are three pivotal moments which led to their decline/demise.
1. Starrcade 97 screwup
2. The radicalz leave
3. The merger.
For aew their three pivotal moments are:
3.cody leaving-one of your founders/EVPs leave. That isn’t a good look.
2. The brawl out press conference-punk aired all the dirty laundry. Exposed aew as a just a well funded indie show.
1. Vince’s departure-aew was initially marketed as anti wwe. With vince gone, majority of those wwe-isms were gone too.
I wouldn't say Starrcade 97 screwup led to the decline of WCW (but it DID make the WCW fans sick and tired of the same NWO over and over again). the FINGERPOKE OF DOOM was one of the pivotal moments which led to the downfall of WCW.
As for Cody Rhodes leaving AEW, sounds similar to AJ Styles, isn't it?
The bucks are one reason when they are on screen people change the channel or turn off completely. AEW was formed at a time wwe was ice cold. Fast forward a few years HHH is in charge and better. Story lines and such. Even nxt is alot better now. The fact NXT had beaten AEW 4 out of 5 weeks is saying something
If they would just present themselves, when a little bit of straight edge may be all right. And I just fundamentally don't understand the wrestling business if they did " the money was with CM punk" what ultimately it is Tony Khan fault... Every storyline it's about friends wtf not about the money you get when you are champion. Or the fact that the notoriety or women that comes with that, possibly even the pure I'm better than you "competition that men usually have" and it just has too many people doing nothing. That's what led to the firing of Colt Cabana because he wasn't doing anything.
But instead of Tony Khan sing this is why he was fired... He stays silent.
On top of FTR being the best tag team, no real push neither have any tag team there except the Young bucks 😔
Agreed the bucks got no personality and they need to revamp. Get rid of those wrestling suits, get more ripped and probably cut all that hair. Also old wrestlers like Chris Jericho eddie Kingston etc need way less tv time. I don't even watch the RUclips vids cause tough old guy shi Tony like is just cringe. Storylines are also too short, they need stories lasting more than 3 months for both men and women not just high paid performers
A halfassed script of booking for wrestling from Shawn michaels would beat Tony khan's best any given night of the week.
Karma for being whiny children about the Punk situation
They’re uber jealous that their “stardom” got exposed when a real star came through.
Remember the days Punk was a cancer, a ticking timebomb and nobody in the company liked him according to “backstage reports”? The guy just had feud of the year and they’re already restructuring his contract to get him more involved, not to mention his work with NXT talent who adore him. And they thought showing the backstage altercation video was a good idea. Karma hasn’t been more glorious than the backlash on these idiots.
@@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419sounds like you are one of those beta males that has a friendship bracelet.🤣
Calling someone else a whiny child when referring to cm punk is unbelievable irony
@@LightChaser2099 And yet, the Bucks have now gone on a 'vacation' because no one gives a flying f*ck about them and they need to pout about it. Meanwhile, Punk is doing just fine and working well with the talent down in NXT.
Cope and seethe, friend.
Their loss for letting go of Cody and Punk. Now they have to pray for “The Elite” and hire WWE wrestlers 😂
Now they've got The Hurt Business a.k.a The Hurt Syndicate with The Almighty Bob LaaL
@ fax we don’t care about those people 😂 embarrassing that they didn’t get no pop 🤦🏼♂️
Lol imagine losing Cody and Punk for the fucking Young Bucks and Jack Perry.
@@TheSoundwaveprime true 😂
@@anjhontongo6945Wait till Lashley has 30 minute match with Perry or Cassidy and ends up like Wardlo
As much as I wanted AEW to succeed, it has come to me in recent months that it will probably be best to someone else handle the content & writing over at AEW. Tony Khan should be focusing more on other aspects exclusively including branding and tv deals.
Nowadays it felt like AEW is the 4th best brand behind TNA, NJPW & WWE.
AEW is working with NJPW so they will be fine. As far as TNA they will be losing talent soon they are heading up to Maple Leaf Pro who is also working with AEW.
i realized what you just said in 2022 when i stopped watching AEw in the summer of that year before even brawl out. That companys identity died when Cody left. and it never got it back. probably never will. Khan is a doofus mark who books for a fringe group of elitist marks in the iwc to which he has admitted. I book for the sicko's he said in his own words. And they are the only ones who watch aside from a select few who watch it hoping that maybe it will recover or get better. But it wont. Not as long as he owns it Because he has too much ego to step aside and admit he is wrong.
@@zeromagnum2811 get over the Cody stuff what exactly did he accomplish in AEW?🤣
@@MuertoLoco4Life Has nothing to do with in ring. It was his contributions in the management of the company's direction. After he left coherency and sense making storylines also left. But as shown AEW would have been intelligent to feature him as a top guy instead of Jericho all things considered. As one company is selling out with Cody as Champion and AEW can't fill a arena regardless of who they put the belt on. AEW is only still in existence because Khan is willing to blow loads of his billions on it. otherwise it would have went under by now because they don't make money off that company.
@@zeromagnum2811 They just got a new TV deal that's made them the second most profitable wrestling company in history. How is that not "making money"?
How are you going to have a storyline that your group was taking over when the heads of the group are literal EVPs of the company? After attacking Tony, they had no ideas past that because it seemed the actual boss of the company was ok with employees attacking him. He just wore a neck brace. That's the only way it effected him.
Yes that's why now bcc is a threat for the elite.
Because - this might shock you - Tony Khan had no plan. Tony woke up one day and said “I wanna get piledriven” and Matt or Nick said “can we get our friend Jack to play with us?” and Tony agreed.
It's crazy how they totally abandoned the Elite's takeover of AEW for the sudden BCC takeover of AEW instead.
Where's the payoff??
@@aceblaz5502probably with the elite being the conquering heroes even though it won't make any sense and we are going to have to ignore that they did the same thing the BCC (or deathriders) were doing.
It’s suck cuz I was a day zero fan of AEW to see how shit it’s become
Sympathies to you.
Ha.
2019-2021 was AEW's peak after that it went downhill
@@eucliffe7267 Interesting how it gradually got worse and worse the longer Cody was gone... He actually might have been crucial to what made their first few years so great.
@@anonymousnate678but I really disliked his AEW's booking and Cody booked Cody poorly.
That’s what happens when Tony chooses the cry baby elite over Punk and Cody. He could’ve had both right now dominating.
AEW is not doing well, even NXT was not their night but still beat AEW on their best show peime rime
Nxt has beaten AEW the last 4 out of 5 weeks
They picked Jack Perry (who doesnt draw) over CM Punk (who does draw) even when Jack was the one who was the problem in that situation
Business masterclass
Not surprising though, as Punk said, Tony Khan isn’t a boss. He doesn’t want people like Punk or Cody who have a backbone and will say their piece and not just cup Tony’s balls and tell him how great he is. He wants yes men around him, that’s now what he has, and the company is nosediving
They didn't pick Perry over Punk you dunce. Punk attacked a co-worker off script because his feelings were hurt. If that happened at any other job Punk would have been fired, arrested and charged with assault. If it wasn't caught on camera it would have just gotten swept under the rug. The problem was Punk had issues with a lot of the locker room and instead of dealing with it TK kept sweeping it and then kept caving to Punk. If Punk wasn't a drama obsessed diva why the 180 persona change? Could it be Punk is contractually obligated to be a good little boy or he's fired again.
These aren't the old days people will be sued into oblivion for stupid shit. Be an adult and more importantly lead the locker room as the elder statesman instead of being a cry baby that gets butt hurt when people say something about you.
@moondoggie82 nobody is reading your wall of bs virgin
@@MoonDoggie82 We aint reading that you loser lmao
"become stale?" Really? REALLY? At what point were they not?
When Punk was there
Pretty much, it was semi watchable with punk there, even then I only watched RUclips clips
Jack perry is the definition of an anti-draw:
When he shows up on screen, people switch the channel. Actually...come to think of it, thats the Young Bucks too.
Hell when the ratings are analyze, the Bucks are at this point literal proven ratings killers with how much of a drop they get.
Back when he was Jungle Boy, the Jurassic Express used to be a highlight of the show.
they're so not over, they're under
@@brutaljustin1349it’s crazy how things change smh
Such a boring promotion
😂😂😂
It really is
Every time you had a New tag team champions the bucks would take the belts back. They are one of the reasons why I stopped watching AEW
With AEW’s track record of shitty storytelling or straight up giving up on a storyline, I gave up on watching AEW completely. No one will ever take WWE’s number 1 spot as the premier pro wrestling company.
Tony’s going from The Elite to The Plumbers Association is like going from hot garbage to raw sewage. The Hurt syndicate should be the only heel group of note with Lashley Benjamin Hobbs MVP & maybe Riccochet.
AEW: All Ex-wwe Wrestlers 😂
😂😂good one
This is exactly 💯 correct. Without WWE there would be no AEW
All empty wrestling
Without the Elite then there is no Hangman, without the Bullet Club(specifically now Finn Balor) there would be no Young Bucks. That's Balor's biggest crime in wrestling. Giving those two idiots a spot in the big leagues
True
No one likes the Elite. The fact that TK won't make the decision to stop focusing on them will end this promotion.
TK should be blamed here for not acting like a boss and they should hire a real booker like Scott D'Amore.
Isn't it ironic how Eric Bischoff called out Tony Khan to "act like a boss" yet Bisch himself was a ROGUE boss back in WCW?
@@josecarlosramolete6109 i mean
he would know not to do that, bischoff i mean since he did it himself. so it would make sense for him to notice it when others are doing the same thing
Jealousy is a hell of a thing. None of the elite members including Jack Perry will ever be as big as CM Punk and they hate it which is why they are dooming the company they helped start
The Elite barely exists as what it once was. Years ago they led a revolution that helped bring pro wrestling back. Now, their arguable leader/face Kenny Omega has been out and is barely attached to them at this point, Cody’s gone to do wonderful things for his career and legacy
in the WWE, Hangman is…well he’s Hangman stabbing people with hospital needles, the Bucks are revealed even more so to be coattail riding and selfish to the point of wantingAEW to be run like an expensive indie, Cole is a wash, and Okada (whose starpower has EVAPORATED since being brought into The Elite) and Perry don’t fit in at ALL as new additions.
The Elite isn’t what it used to be.
People sleep on the whole "punishment committee" or whatever. Imagine Hangman embarrasses Punk on live tv and nothing happened to him was the key to the collapse of Aew.
Punk got injured and the moment he returned he called out Hangman on live TV as a bitch. Months later and punk just stewed on it. He got ghosted by Tony Khan and proceeded to finally have enough. You can't make this shit up. The total collapse of Aew has been glorious to watch.
Ha.
The worst thing about that was that I don't even think he realized what he was doing wrong. The issue was more that Punk and Hangman agreed on what they were going to go out there to talk about and Hangman went into business for himself, but what he said was just as important. Hangman said he was going to defend AEW from Punk. Now if Hangman was the babyface and Punk was the heel, fine. Perfect. But it was the other way around. Hangman was the heel. He's the homegrown boy... one of the OGs and been there since day one. He's an Elite. That's a line that would turn him babyface and would turn Punk heel. These guys don't understand what they're doing out there and it's hilarious. The crowd actually did start reacting to that line as if they were going to flip both wrestlers. Ultimately nothing happened, but it could've completely changed Punk's entire trajectory as a babyface. If you think I'm full of it, then tell me what happened with Brit Baker and The Outcasts. She took the very same position, and it was the line that turned her babyface. She's protecting and defending AEW from these three women that came from WWE.
@Jinzo9988 the whole thing was stupid and the best thing that ever happened to Punk, while simultaneously the worst think to happen to Aew.
Ha.
AEW picked Jack Perry over CM Punk… and are now losing to NXT pretty consistently
Adam Page:
Hangman Adam Page should have turned heel during his feud with Swerve Strickland with Page even challenging Swerve to a match for the World Title at All Out after his brutal feud with Darby Allin,but later Hangman and Bucks join forces to become The Elite once again and even attack Tony Khan.
Kezuchika Okada:
Kezuchika Okada should have debuted as a member of the Don Callus Family pairing himself with Don Callus given their history in NJPW and Okada facing Samoa Joe for the AEW World Title at Forbidden Door 2023.
Jungle Boy:
Jungle Boy should have became the 2023 Owen Hart Foundation winner with Jungle Boy even defeating his former mentor Christian Cage,and continuing his feud with the Patriarch.
The Young Bucks:
Nick Jackson and Matt Jackson should have began a feud with Aussie Open that exposes their growing frustrations with The Young Bucks even turning heel and aligning themselves with Hangman Adam Page.
Tony klown didn't even try to get revenge it was so stup!d
Cant say im massively surprised. Even Kenny seems to be sick of their crap and is taking a break from it all in NJPW.
I really don't understand this moronic modern trend of filling up your videos with random stock footage and clips that have nothing to do with the video content. Why is Steve Harvey here @1:52? Who the hell is this guy @4:58? Is Chandler Bing relevant somehow @7:24?
Why do so many channels do this stupid shit these days? Is it like the video editors are all getting paid-by-the-hour, so they just stuff videos full of extra crap to justify a higher paycheck?
Lol yeah agreed.. it's supposed to be funny to put little memes w/in your videos to exemplify some sort of emotion. But I don't think it was needed in this video.
This is what happens when a bunch of indie kids thinks they are the biggest superstars and the best wrestlers in the world lol
I know people say AEW went down hill after Punk left, and it def did but AEW was starting to suck big time after Cody left. I just think many fans were in denial at that point because we still loved the company. But you can massively tell the difference in AEW pre Cody leaving and post leaving
No disrespect to Okada but him joining the Elite didn’t create much buzz outside the small niche audience
It all comes down to Tony. This all started with CM Punk, who btw is STILL the Undisputed AEW champion. You never let the inmates runs the asylum.
No this all started with Adam Page deciding to attempt a shoot promo on CM Punk that failed btw it also started with whoever was telling the dirt sheets Punk tried to get Punk fired
TK forgot to make The Endgame
The problem is that they didn't capitalize on The Elite being in charge like they should have. There were no lasting repercussions to those who opposed them, they never tried to use the numbers advantage in their matches, they never even made a match where they had the advantage. Plus Christopher Daniels being the interim EVP and having the power to change not only undone anything The Elite (specifically The Young Bucks) have done but also put them into matches without much protest really damages the credibility of The Elite being in charge of AEW. What should have happened was The Elite do what they want, people try to stop them, those people were punished, and when Swerve Strickland's team defeated The Elite they had to either disband or stop being EVPs in storyline, with them settling for the latter.
Fans wanted to see Tony Khan get involved with the wrestlers? But they forgot something...he's NO Vince McMahon! Vince knows the wrestling business inside and out. He knew how to book himself. Even against top wrestlers. Wheras, Tony Khan don't. Tony knows nothing about wrestling. He's literally a wrestling fan who runs a wrestling promotion
There's never a long term plan for anything and anybody in AEW. Everyone just ends up where they've always been. Back to the toy box until Tony wants to play with you.
I feel like with Cody leaving the story telling in aew fully died. He was the only man pushing for some story telling meanwhile the others had no interest in that and just wanted to do flips and take digs at wwe
The elite is straight up trash never enjoyed anything they ever did super overrated and Okada need to get up out of there asap🔥
Jungle Boy, MJF, Sammy Guevara, & Darby Allen were supposed to be who they pushed to be the top guys.
They were supposed to be young, up & comers that werent from WWE (the place we were all tired of).. but then it just became a mini WWE or even TNA.
Just not what we wanted or expected.
Getting the piss beaten out of you on camera for real and then trying to act like you’re the real bad ass, sums up AEW.
Tony needs to grow some balls and strip the elite of their EVP positions.
Lol. Its never over for anyone on Tv. All the Elite would need to do is "Go Away." Play the background for a year and work on building other talent. After a year or so, start coming back into the picture as Baby Faces. NOONE is gonna complain or even speculate on whats going on when wrestlers disappear suddenly and then pop back up some time later. Its actually what fans love most about the biz. I think The Elites biggest issue is that they saw themselves as the "Bad Guys" and they ran with it. They should've "Masked" themselves as the Good Guys at that point, then later down the line, show their true colors....Ive said it before that AEW is smart. They just have to take more time to invest in building the script before handing it out to the talent.
With the whole CM punk situation, I think what Hangman said was true. There are people jn AEW who didn’t want Punk there, so they started causing all these backstage issues so they can trigger CM Punk which they did, and everything turned out as they did which is why Punk called out their bs. He saw through everything.
I'm bot gonna shit on AEW but it's just so damn disappointing, they got it all but wtf like what are they doing what the hell jave they been doing for the past two years jeez
TK only has himself to blame. Look at his press conferences, he is more of a best friend than a boss. He needs to put his foot down with The Elite
just fire Bucks, Mone, Saraya and actually use all the people that carried AEW through the Pandemic, and if Ruby Soho returns, for Gods sake use her well.
Imagine having signing OKADA and making him a midcarder with nothing going on 💀
Worse than that, being stuck with the Bucks and Jack Perry to make them seem like a bigger deal than they actually are!
AEW started off as a shining beacon of freshness, using talent who'd made a name for themselves on the independent scene (with just enough big names to give it credibility). Then, in no time at all, TK began importing former WWE talent wholesale, pushing those other names aside, spending money like a sixteen-year-old with his first paycheck. What does AEW feel like now? To me, it feels like the greasy car lot down the street where rundown cars are being passed off as fresh and with low miles. Horrid writing, flakey storylines that never finish, and too many former WWE guys that are constantly getting injured have merged into walking nightmare and ratings disaster.
Thanks!
Hangman Adam Page has NEVER been good - bland, no charisma, no size, no presence. To call him a 'star' is being very generous!
Most of the guys in the Ring don't even look like Wrestlers to me. And at 10:14 in,the clips they have shown of the in ring action is boring foolishness.
The amount of $$ AEW could’ve made based on all of this is insane.
Sadly the young bucks weren’t men enough to set their feelings aside.
I could write better storylines than the aew writers
To be honest, at some point when Okada’s AEW contract expires, he should just go to WWE very soon!!!
let's hope Okada doesn't get BURIED by WWE. We all know what happened to Booker T after WCW was purchased by WWE.
@@josecarlosramolete6109 - That was under Vince McMahon, and Triple H was a different person back then. Now, with Vince out of the company and Triple H taking the wheel, I doubt that that will happen.
@ indeed
It’s not lost on me that the one here who made it out the other side was Hangman and he the only one whose character moved on from the situation
None of Tony Khan's good deed goes unpunished.
The way Tony Khan holds and drinks from a paper cup is abnormal.
I literally quit watching aew because I can't stand the sight of the Young bucks or Jack Perry 🤷 it's not that they get heat, it's that I will immediately change the channel when they appear on TV.
Sad to see what a sh*tshow it has become. I started watching it from the first day itself, when they actually had a vision and were an alternate for WWE
I don't watch AEW, but I know that Tony likes to be one of the guys and he doesn't act like a boss
The Bucks were actually quoting Punk from 2021. And i agree this ''AEW dropped the ball with (insert current WWE superstars name) is getting boring and repetitive
Hangman page and superstar dont go together. A superstar is someone that has mainstream appeal and known and can draw them in views with sales of merchandise..that is not the elite. But cm punk is just like the rock, hulk Hogan, the bloodline etc
And worst of all Adam frickin page lost his Girlfriend after signing with AEW
Did he go off script and smacked her too?
Okada is likely gonna be demoted..His wife keeps on making babies annually as if she's a horse 😂
Remember when the Elite were...Elite?
The Elites are beyond stale and boring and just have go away heat , they should go off screen role and let the new talents shine.
Its no wonder AEW sucked most of 2024 when they were main focus of the show and it only started get better once they are gone.
The AEW roster had so many talents that are sidelined or haven't been on tv for months.
It's like Tony Khan finds a shiny new toy give them a mega push hype their debut then forget about them a month after .
This start and stop booking doesn't help anyone, he need to hire competent writers and make consistent booking.
What the hell even happened at 0:30??? Come on guys
Is this a different narrator? 10/10, regardless.
AEW could've been bigger but now it's gonna be the middle child between WWE and TNA for next decade, heck, It's not even big as NJPW
Wait is Jack Perry, Adam Page and Kenny Omega the same person? When I here them why am I imagining Mick Foley impersonating each lol
For them not to do something with the cm punk drama is unforgivable,like doing a cm punk and ftr vs the elite match
How did The Elite become stale? Were they ever fresh?
Hangman sucks!
I'm thinking this was recorded before the Young Bucks dropped the titles and were written off TV...
I remember AEW was fun, after Cm leaving its just doesn't feel that way anymore
Everything special about Jack Perry came out of "Glass".
I'm not following AEW since last year or so actually, so, I don't know what's going on there. But, I'm happy that they're still doing good.
The Elite have never been a draw. Omega is the draw and they ride in his tail.
This is what happens if your main booker is a fan and a friend to all.
The biggest issue is that there isn’t anyone who knows how to tell long term compelling stories. They also can’t put petty issues aside to make money like had always been the case in wrestling. The best storylines are the ones mixed with real life issues.
AEW the most stupid in wrestling...arenas empty..no emotions ...old wrestlers...boring..never be like WWE
Every heel faction need strong leader,the buck act like leader is a mistake because they only focus on tagteam while the feud usually involve with single wrestler fighting for main event title
Only thing that would make AEW of any entertainment value is if Vince or Shane McMahon show up and have an invasion angle. But even that might be too late to save AEW.
I can't believe this video isn't satire.
Everything from Hangman’s title win to this story, the places nuggets problem is that it’s great to create a moment but means little if you don’t know how to follow up, and that’s their biggest weakness
How is the TNT title more important than their World champions ?
Jack couldn't win the world title ?
Are they All copying Austin theory cashing in on the mid card title
With as much crap the elite gets, I feel the say about Jon's group. They have no direction, and every promo is more cryptid and full of nonsense than a Bray Wyatt promo. They don't sell, and act to cool for anyone in any of their matches.
Couldn’t agree more.
Why it didn't work? No amount of facial hair and tough stares can make these guys look intimidating. 😂😂😂
It was over as soon as they started this nonsense. Jack Perry is as intimidating as a box of kittens.
I think the problem is the bucks suck and you can only hide it for so long! They just whack it. It all comes back to the in ring work and the out of ring work. If you have seen one young bucks match, you have seen them all and the same thing goes for their promos.
I liked okada when he joined but the “bitches!” And the middle finger got boring real quick
the joke was funny the first time but it just became stale
@ I’m surprised the crowd still pops
It’s childish and clearly Matt Jackson’s lame idea.
Not only advised against real glass, but said "Hey, this is dangerous and why not do it at a PPV?"
blame the young bucks
AEW went all in on Punk, Punk went all out against AEW, and AEW have been trying to get on to full gear ever since.