Motorcycle Math Lesson: Learn it!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Were you any good at Math in school? I know I wasn't but this motorcycle math is one formula that all riders should memorize and practice.
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Sometimes we know this stuff but its great to have a refresher course every friday...thanks !!!!!
Agreed, this is common sense, however It is good to hear it every once in a while.
Another good video if I ever get out of the parking lot. Still working on those slow speed maneuvers
I learned a similar equation flying, altitude+airspeed≈options!
I would add awareness; situational awareness. If you know where all the vehicles around you are it helps you evaluate options quickly.
Awareness is the sum of thinking plus options ;)
drove trucks for 30 yrs. I try a tell my wife she needs to mentally note of every vehicle around her and the ones she has either passed of has been passed. look at the condition of said vehicles.
this is not hard to do on a two lane road with a speed limit of 55mph or less
goto 4 lanes
or 6... or 8
add cars turning left across multiple lanes
or 6 lane intersections
and it becomes impossible.
Part of safety is limiting the risks you allow yourself to be exposed to
like choosing where you ride...
@@pacomonje spot on!
Time+distance reduces "AWE DANG!" moments. 🤣
Yes it does.
I did a factory sponsored track day many years ago and the racer/instructor felt riding on streets and highways was too dangerous and so only ever rode on the track! Road riding is more technical than the track in that not only must you be proficient with handling the machine but you also need to take into account unpredictable and changing road conditions and the behaviour of drivers going in every direction. Awareness and analysis of your ever changing situation is critical to being safe and proficient and I love that aspect of riding. Road warrior indeed.
Be a smart rider. 360 awareness saves lives.
This is one of my favorite youtube series. I live in the Houston area. Fast and congested describes a lot of the roads here. Ones like I-10 and I-45 I avoid completely. The thing your describing is mainly in a forward looking sense. When traffic is fast and congested the problem is also people coming up behind you. They are giving themselves no time to think and have limited options.
If it’s predictable it’s preventable another good video on safety to start the weekend Thanks Kevin
You bet
BRAVO! Great formula, excellent presentation of it. Thanks again Kev. Take care, God bless.
After a year of riding a 50cc and learning only from the internet (mainly you and fast eddy) i took my first formal training as a requisite to ride a 125cc ( it’s the law here in France). I really enjoyed the experience and i found it reasuring that a pro assessed me and found that overall i am a decent rider in the parking lot and on the street. Was surprised at some of his advice to privilege back braking for example, or not even mentioning trail braking. I guess it is a French thing. Even if there was not a lot to learn as this was a very basic course, just the external appraisal made it worth my time,as well as getting a different point of view in terms of technique so I can now choose what i think works for me. Looking forward to attending the next one!
learn something new every time i see one of your movies, ride clean and smooth, stay safe
That’s a different take on something I’ve been telling people about for years. I call it TSD - Time, Speed, and Distance. I mention this in relation to pulling out on a highway, usually from a stop. It’s a matter of being able to judge the speed of the vehicle(s) approaching, how far away from you they are, and how much time it will take for them to catch up to you at that speed. Fortunately, I’m pretty good at it, but many people are not. That’s one reason folks pull out in front of you, whether you’re on a bike or driving a car!
So basic yet critical. Thanks for breaking it down in a logical way 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your information is right on. Many accidents could be avoided by your advice. But consider riding on the highway at 6am 60 mph, no other traffic. compact truck fires across the highway, not stopping at the stop sign, blind intersection because of the trees. Used all the brakes my kowy 750 had. Math didn't save me! Tagged the last 2 feet of the box! 11 months off work. Sometimes things are out of your hands!
I manage the front distance and making sure that I am outside of side blind spots of other vehicles, it’s the guy behind me that always gives me the most trouble...I avoid highways when I can because of this. Tailgating a cage is dangerous....tailgating a bike is deadly.
I completely agree and avoid highways whenever I can too. About the only thing I think you can do is add room between you and the guy in front of you so the guy behind you can have more time to react (as I put it to my son...drive for the guy behind you). One thing that I have found is having normal working brake lights didn't seem to make cars back off of me if I tapped my brakes trying to get them to back off. But, once I added a brake light modulator to make them flash, more people seem to respond to that and give me more room.
The new studio looks good
Thanks Jason.
It is stressful enough driving through DFW in a car, can imagine it is no fun at all on a motorcycle. I use the same principles (time/space cushions) when driving cars too.
Thanks Kevin! It's always better to have time for options! Also a great reminder the distance we cover at speed. God bless.
You bet!
Excellent video! Met up to ride local islands and along the sea with a guy from a neighboring state yesterday, your RUclips channel was definitely a part of our conversation. I keep recommending your channel as it's made me both a better and safer rider. Thank you!
That is awesome! Thanks for spreading the word.
Thanks Kevin.
You bet.
Love your content. My son is a new 16 yo rider. I share these educational videos with him, so he can be a better rider than me when I was his age
That’s awesome! I started when I was 14, a LONG time ago. 😉
Single most important video on the internet for saving lives! Thank you so much for this content! Creating this consciousness and getting into this kind of mind-frame before starting a ride is key to a safe and enjoyable ride! Even applies for cars! MC Rider should get the Nobel Peace prize for saving lives and reducing road accidents!
I missed a bunch of videos and glad I saw this one.
Amen we always to.prepare and think.
...D T T O L.....sounds of wisdom from the road, are good for all kinds of travel. Way to be, Mc...R...
Recently entered fwy. Someone had dropped a piece of carpet in my lane. I had time to recognize the hazard, check for closing vehicles, look, and clear the carpet without having to brake. Thanks for the weekly nuggets if wisdom.They do help.
Agree, but like i always say..that freeway that your on usually has a really good secondary road. Again, never ride in a hurry. Look for backroads, pleasure riding is always more..uh..pleasurable. I'll let those big trucks and texting teens have the freeways. Now, if you have to jump on for an exit or two to save 45 min, of course. I always tnink of the backroads first. On my bike, in 14 months, i guarantee you ive riden backroads 95% of the time.
I discovered years ago that many people use their GPS to map their route
and it always puts them on the interstate highways
therefore MANY 2 or 4 lane 55mph roads are nearly empty, that track along the interstates
for example US 1 running parallel to I 95 in Virginia and Maryland
even when 95 is gridlocked and crawling at 5mph bumper to bumper, US 1 is EMPTY
Excellent analogy. 👍😎
Great video, it’s good to stop and revisit this no matter how long we’ve been riding on two wheels. I like using the time on my bike to think through this type of process as I ride through various changing conditions - it really works for me.
Out here in Phoenix Metro area I hit a wheel barrow with my pickup ( no place to go ) 5 lanes of bumper to bumper doing 70 mph. Another time a truck tire lying on the road ,yep this time I was on my motorcycle the car in front of me hit it I was riding on inside lane and had space to avoid it. Next thing was a fiberglass ladder , this time I had my pickup and towing a 24’ camper, missed it . The next one was a mattress , missed it with my car, the next one was camping chairs lying in the lane , missed these too in a car. People please secure you loads properly. These highways are dangerous enough as they are . Thank you.
"Time on a motorcycle is a very valuable commodity." Very true in so many ways.
How many miles does this guy actually ride on a motorcycle a year? Looks like he sits in a garage...
Another way to express the 2 second rule is speed in MPH x 3= correct following distance in feet. It give a little more distance than the 2 second formula but with 3%. Many folks don't judge time well maybe this will help. Keep the good stuff coming Kevin.
Thanks, Kevin!
I had watched one of your videos about lane position. You were showing an intersection and where to be to best be seen. You showed different scenarios and finally said you can do everything right and that driver will still pull out in front of you. Well that very thing happened to me. A truck turning left pulled out on me as I was going straight through an intersection. They said they couldn't see me because of a truck in the turn lane. I was injured and my bike was totaled. I'm recovering well from a laceration on my knee, broken foot and bumps and bruises.
Likelihood of a collision = (speed x surprise )/space. If speed is high, or something happens that you haven’t anticipated likelihood goes up, also if space is reduced. If space reaches zero likelihood of collision is infinity, you have collided with something.
Thanks Kevin, and absolutely agree with the chain of distance through to life preservation! (But lets hope there are no mathematicians watching !)
I already said I was no good at math...so maybe they will cut me some slack. 😉
@@MCrider ha ha absolutely - importantly the message is bang-on.
Yep, you nailed it buddy, great video as always.
Thanks 👍
I always use the "one thousand" count when riding in traffic. I was told use 3 car lengths behind or more is the best, I ride 3-4 (count 4 one-thousandth) most of the time when conditions permit. I find I can react better and see what's beyond the car in front of me better. On the DC beltway and even the highways, I always see at least one rider going 80mph or faster. (I ride a touring cruiser) I see crotch rocket riders, and cruisers doing 90 mph and tell myself mentally that the faster you go the less reaction time you have. Needless to say, when I'm travelling, I usually set my cruise for 75 mph conditions permitting, no faster. For me, the enjoyment of riding is not only the bike but the scenery (when I'm riding near the ocean or Appalachain mountains) so why do I want to make that go quickly? I find beautiful places like the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia a therapeutic ride. Ride safe everyone!
a rider should not be looking at the scenery when riding
because (everyone say it together): ALWAYS LOOK WHERE YOU WANT THE MOTORCYLCE TO GO
because where you are looking is where the bike is going to go
its the first thing you learn in the MSF course
@@kenwittlief255 Duh, we all know that but in more advanced skills you look at more than that. It is smart to also scan ahead for potential hazards and while doing so, you can admire and you will see the scenery. You do not fixate on just one thing while doing so. Riding is an information processing thing (which means you need to take in more than just the path of travel) and the more info you take in the safer.
Lots of good points most important don't follow to close. Thanks for another great video.
Can you do a video on the topic of what you should do and what someone could do to prevent the topic on if your handle bars starts wobbling uncontrollably. How do you handle that situation?
Thanks Kevin!!
This is true no matter what type of vehicle you are operating.
Thanks for your help
Good word brother!
Great wisdom!
Great advice. Thanks 👍
Great talk Kevin. One of your best in months. Hey - I'm organizing a tour through Europe - I'll send you a note.
Kevin, I appreciate your formula. I suggest that "thinking" is a constant, on going factor and all the other items are constantly changing variables based on the situation and one's knowledge. However the point is well present.... be aware of what is going on. I ride in PHX metro commute traffic at least 3 days a week. One has to be constantly thinking and evaluating, I ride the HOV lane exclusively as it adds another "exit" lane if I need it.
Hi . I think the equation could be
Options = Distance + Time + thinking = life saving
I seldom if ever ride "the center of the lane". With just the reason you said and add all the oil and debris that ends up where no wheels go.
That's a genius little formula🙂
Kevin, aka: MCrider, as always, another great and informative video. Thank you for all you do for us motorcyclist!
Very usefull, thanks Mr MCrider
Watched a rider keep himself distanced in traffic. A car came up and signaled to get over and instead of using the gap ahead of the rider or allowing the rider to slow he cut over within inches of the riders front tire. Stupidity. Thankfully I had distanced myself from the rider (was in my car) so he was able to brake hard without worry about me hitting him. These are the types of things this formula is for. It helps to be better prepared for the unknown.
Hey, Kevin. Where can I buy one of those tool bag of skills you mentioned???😁
Sometimes, those precious distance is cut short by idiots who cuts you off because they're bigger and you'll move for them attitude.
Situational awareness is always mandatory part of mathematical equation.
Unfortunately you can’t buy the tool bag…you have to earn it. 😉
Sometimes they do this because they are distracted, and they didnt see you as opposed to "he'll move out of the way".
I upgraded my horn to a loud aftermarket horn. Cars and trucks do move back into their lane when they realize they screwed up. I got the Denali Sound bomb compact, but there are a few loud aftermarket horns on the market. They certainly make a difference.
@@joemann7971 I know how that works. My VTX1300R I had, I installed a "bolo" air horn and that sure makes people move very quickly. It sounds like a semi horn😁
@@kodiak536kodiak536 Yeah. Mine is an air horn too. I think it's pretty similar, just a different brand. The thing I love about the horn is that drivers hear you even at highway speeds. I honk at cars that just look like they aren't paying attention. I used to use it a lot more than I do now, since I've gotten a lot better with my swerving and braking than when I first got that thing, I still use it if drivers piss me off. It's just my way of flipping them off without actually flipping them off. Most drivers realize they f-ed up pretty quick.
Teach thanks for the class, good lesson... 😉
This does not just apply to motorcycles, it applies to all vehicles on the rd.
Common sense isn't. This is a good reminder. I bet you'll save some lives with this one.
More riders should consider this math.
Thanks, great info.
In the shortest and sweetest of terms "Judgment before Skills"... at least, that's how I was taught.
Use your Judgment (and refine it) so that you are never surprised... That's the objective. If you're not surprised by the changing conditions on the road, then the hazard becomes a non-issue... easily handled. ;o)
You make my Friday mornings
Thank you Edd, comments like this make my Friday morning. Glad I can help.
Several weeks ago a couple perished on the interstate close by to where I live. The couple both in their 60’s died after their Harley Davidson rear ended a Ford 150 that was slowing down for traffic. It’s sad, this tragedy could have been avoided had the motorcyclist been paying attention and keeping his distance from the slowing traffic up ahead.
You too had to pay for your own college. Yep - tho were the daze!
Yep, I worked two jobs and was in an Army Reserve unit in addition to being a full-time student...I had more energy back then. 😄
@@MCrider I'm a little older than you. We ALL had a lot more energy back then. I worked all night so that I could attend school during the day, and had a girlfriend who demanded a lot of attention (enjoyed her). Thanks for your service! 😁👍
Many years before speedometers were invented and in common use the safety factor for horse and coaches was, yes, DISTANCE. Keeping safe distance was the rule of the day. However since the invention of speedometers it looks like speed has become the all time baddy for road safety and its not just speed that kills its distance as well.Distance has lost out quite a lot but its important for all road users. Not just for yourself. Road users ie. drivers and motorcyclists who don't give safe following on or Stopping Distances are dangerous not only to themselves but to all other road users.
If a vehicle cannot stop in the short distance that it has given it may swerve and in swerving it now could involve others, other road users who considered themselves to be safe . It could swerve into oncoming lanes and collide head on and kill someone or swerve onto a pavement and kill pedestrians or just involve other vehicles that were in lanes going the same way but who were giving safe space. So understand that their are many road users at risk if one of them fails to give safe space.
It appears to be common practise nowadays to be closer to the vehicle in front in a traffic queue in an urban environment. That is around town and as such one anticipates that one will need to keep up with the speed of ordinary traffic and that at times it will slow down and perhaps sometimes stop for ordinary circumstance etc.
Under those circumstance it appears that we will drive closer than we should and not give the full and safe stopping distance that we should .
That usually means that if we are following closely behind another vehicle and we see brake lights then if that vehicle brakes and we brake also and we are both able to stop and we do not collide then that is the safe stopping space that we are giving. That is far from the case as its under emergency circumstances where the vehicle in front is say hit by a car coming the other way or from out of a side road These are circumstances that are not the norm and we don't anticipate them but they can happen.
So we have to give safe stopping distance all the time otherwise that unexpected circumstance could mean the difference between life and death. Yours of some one else.
Finally by giving greater stopping or following on distance it will actual reduce the chances of accident ie collisions occurring. By giving more space around you particularly to the vehicles in front of you, you will be able to see more of the road ahead and whatever is occurring around and in front of you. Thus giving you a better chance to see potential dangers and to remove them or reduce their risk to you. Not only that but by giving more space you will make yourself more visible to more road users and then they then will see you and have a better opportunity to see you and to avoid you also.
So the giving of safer following on space or stopping space is a win win situation for everyone.
"What if this car turns in front of me?" Ask this question. Because that car is probably going to turn in front of you.
How to leave a distance if speeding like a madman is life?
How many miles do you ride a year on a motorcycle?
V=dX/dt
Math is not singular activity it. it is activity you do more than once should be spelt maths? Or Mathematics but never 'math'?
I once saw an Army helicopter doing masking. Cars can be masked by trucks other cars or signs. Don't be fooled into thinking you have a good view down the road. Be sure.
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OODA. No math required.
Perhaps it's time to consider teaching the Smith System in MSF courses.
I predict a motorcycle video with the word “math” in the title will get less than average views 😆
Dunno what the big deal is with education. My old boss used to call them Uni wan...... Generally he was right.
Most students don't have a problem with math. They have a problem with pointless, hypothetical math. When the math has a direct application to reality, it's usually very engaging and comparatively easy to learn.
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