One place where mill stones were made was in Kerhonkson NY . BFGoodrich made buttons out of rubber in the early 1850’s and had a patent on them . Bless you and your family !!!
NO, you are not paying too much for your engines, NOR do you have too many. As long as you are having fun and are happy, THAT is ALL that matters. Your videos are fun for us and give us entertainment. THANK YOU for all the neat things you buy and share with us👍
Jonathan . I am from Akron Ohio . My grandpa worked at the B.F. Goodrich plant in Akron from 1922 until 1964 , I'll bet he knew what that was for . Thanks for saving all that stuff . i dabble old Briggs & Stratton engines myself . I know what you mean about those blasted tag thieves #$%#@#$# .
I was born in Akron, my dad worked at B.F.Goodrich for 45 years. He took me into the downtown plant in the summertime when he was on vacation, to pick up his weekly check. Walking through the old steam plant there was a multitude of different steam engines to run some of the bias cutter lines, & the tube lines. I was fascinated by them then, & am thrilled to see some of the old equipment is still around…..thanks for saving what you can ! Thanks for sharing, too !!😊
Heave In and Pay Out is a leftover from the entire sailing ship's crew heaving in lines while singing pulley-hauley chantys. There are a bunch of them built around "heave away" and "haul away". Sailors would have been very excited when this engine, winch, and a donkey boiler was installed.
Hey Johnathan love all the videos. I miss the hardware store items you show and explain the history. Also miss the one day builds. Your collection is amazing. 😊❤❤❤
Tag grabbers: They'll enjoy them but their kids will throw the tags away. Nonsensical. You have great feelers out to find goodies for the collection and your area seems to be the remaining hotbed for steam engines. So very neat!
Looks to be a steam capstan or at least the powered part. Some were mounted horizontally, others beneath the decking. Several images available on the net.
The history and the story is great! ( I have two tool boxes that came out of the Chevy plant in Baltimore....years passed and I took them to my storage which was an old Chevy dealership forty years ago.....Now the tool boxes are home ).
Everyone reads about these mill stones, but knowing how they are used by knowledge passed down is priceless. You just don't grind all day long with them. You have to keep those grooves and using them wears them down.
not far from you in ellerbe nc is a 4h camp called camp millstone, it has a granite outcrop and there are 13 broken stones that didnt make it. they were mined there
Great as usual. Tag removers should have their tags removed. Thanks foe sharing your passion for engineering history which was the opposite of the throw away mindset.
I believe boats had a thrust block on the shaft to isolate the blade thrust from the engine. A local marine contractor had a mess of those deck winches like that, for mooring ships with a few even converted to Detroit diesels. The whole yard went for scrap last year they were in business for 98 years I believe, but nobody was willing to pay over scrap for them. I really wanted one but up north in Michigan all scrap for WWII was easily transported on the lakes with most towns having a foundry, so there are no boilers and engines just left sitting.
I'm not sure if what I'm saying is really true but I think probably most younger people aren't too interested in your steam engine videos but I can tell you that for myself and a lot of older folks who have been around many of these engines, they're all apart of the history of the United States of America. Steam is what we had in the beginning and it worked very well.
Very cool. I went in the old goodrich plant in Akron to photograph it right at the start of demolition, there were indeed multiple engines and compressors left.
Hello Jonathan: that engine looks very similar to a bucket scoop Lift. I saw one at a small mine museum. I hope you can get it identified and back to running condition. Keep cool and keep the videos coming.
Jonathan W you don't have to explain what you spend your money on! And the majority of us subs don't care what or how you spend your money! You earn it so it's your choice period
was you going to say brake there screwdriver looks like it was used till the wheels felloff i love to see this kind of machinery working kept going by guy ,s like you jonnathan i take my hat off to eny one doing 😮🤓✌👍 old time conservation
When I was growing up in southwestern New Hampshire in the late 40s and early 50s millstones commonly of about 4 foot diameter were a common site because people used them as steps outside their front doors. We unearthed one digging up the drywell into which our kitchen sink drained. The area was first settled in the mid 18th century.
Thanks for posting the video. I like the interesting engines that you buy and get running. Take care of yourself, because as we get older, the heat takes a toll on you sooner. All the best to you and your family.
At least 2 years ago, there was steam still going through the lines at the old BFG plant location in Akron. The stacks were still standing. It is next to the Spaghetti Warehouse. You can hear the steam if you walk the tow path behind the Spaghetti Warehouse. They used to make rubber belts for conveyer belts in the Spaghetti Warehouse building.
Thanks for the ride I always enjoy a trip to the Dinosaur farm. Do you have an idea how they cut the stones. My best guess is hammer & chisel don't know. Thank you four time. Paul
Your saving them, so, yeah, being a huge part of their history! I would guess marine winch on that one. Looks very old. Love the unfinished stone, right on brother,,,,,Love,,,DUBS,,,
I once came across a nomenclature tag in a mixed lot auction that read Crocker Wheeler,Roebling NJ.I believe it once belonged to a dynamo.I put it on an eBay auction and ended up selling for a crazy amount of money.I would’ve never thought something like that would sell for what it did.Goes to show you things like that are sought after.
Probably is a deck wench for loading and unloading cargo dockside. Maybe even used to raise and lower booms. Who knows, could have come of a whaler, to off load barrels of rendered oil. Steam power to operate the capstan. ?? The grist mill stone has special local interest in your area. Most were powered by water wheel.?
It is most unusual to see an unfinished stone away from the quarry. They were completed where they were quarried to keep the weight down for transportation. Grist stone is one name, quern stone is another here in Britain.
U have riden an old steam boat on a chain of lakes in northern Wisconsin. It seems the engine was similar size upright with flywheel on the side like that. The single cylinder. It seems I remember the captain using his foot to help spin flywheel when changing direction maybe I am wrong there.
Hi Jonathan! If it's ok I'd like to talk 'bout the elephant in the room, so to speak. I'm actually stunned that no one else seems to have picked up on it. At round'bout the 2:50 mark, when U start showing us the "Acme" engine, U very casually mentioned "air conditioning". Please excuse the expression but, WTF, Jonathan? Just kidding, obviously, but really, what's up, is that a separate lil' building (hardware store) U've got to work in when it's just too hot in the main shop (long time subscriber here, I 'member the old International pick-up/Chevy frame swap)? I get it, believe me. I'm down here in Central Louisiana where the heat and humidity tend to get a bit oppressive. I'm SO SO grateful for my lil' 900sq.' shop, even tho it looks like a bomb went off in there. I've been hanging onto a 3ton HVAC system for years, God only knows if I'll ever get 'round to puttin' it in.
I think I’ll cook me up some grist for breakfast. Dukes of Hazard style! LOL I agree that the BFG markings adds to the story value of that small engine. I wonder what job in the factory it was providing power for?
@@jonathanw4942 There was 2 and a bunch of hit and miss engines that my uncle sent to Mcfaddens. I used the steam engines 30 some years ago. They were on 2 old Ireland hay winches in my grandfather's barns. The winches were originally powered by horse treadmills them as my grandfather phased out the horses and started using a John Deere h in the 30s and 40s he ran the winches off the steam engines and 2 homemade woodboilers he made from 2 old heating heating steam coal boilers that came from NYC. The boilers and engine ran the hay winches on around 60 pounds of pressure so the boilers used very little coal because you didn't have to have a big roaring fire 6-8 shovels of coal went just about all day. I had the boilers up until 2 years ago, I wasn't ever planning on using them ever ago so they went to an antique engine show ground in Gallopville NY where one sits in a barn and the other they use to run an old donkey engine during the show. I still have the 2 hay winches still working a few weeks a year but now ran with electric motors because I still put loose hay in the barns every years but now instead of feeding cows with the loose hat it's fed down hay chutes and into 2 balers when someone orders hay. It's a lot less work and quicker for me to put up loose hay and them bale it out of barn instead of having to stack it on wagons as it's baled and then turn around a handle it 2 more times to get it stacked in barn.
Jonathan I feel that you do not have to justify what or how you decide to spend your own money. You earned it yourself for yourself. Just my 2 cents... oh wait we don't have pennies in Canada anymore so is just my nickel :D
I think you are definatly part of the history. Of these engines. How are you fixing the cast. I have seen good results using tig brazing using bronze rod. Id like to try it some day.
Yes part of B.F. Goodrich is near Summit world headquarters. Summit is on the north side of the highway and B.F.Goodrich is on the south. My niece lives in Summit, county so we drive by there. AL B.
Its been a minute now since I have posted and doubt you would remember me. I look at this types of engines as a doomsday survivor. If everything went to heck in a hand basket, this would still make power for anything you choose to do so. So that said, value is relative to its needs. I know that north Carolina suffers with all kinds of weather conditions, and you have lost power for a long time. I live in alaska where you just don't see steam engines around anymore. I tho have been out of circulation because a long time injury... I still suffer and because of not exercising even tho I felt it hurt too much, am now a cripple from my own stupidity. I loved being a mechanic, fabricator, and fair welder. Too bad my decisions were my own undoing. Wishing you much success in this type of thing as I find it important in a good many instances
I bet many of the tag removers are doing it because it's made from brass or copper and they take them just for scrap weight. One time i was cashing in some pop cans and some aluminum rims there was a box that had a bunch of machinery tags and things in it I was tempted to buy it of the scrapper but I knew they would not sell it because another time I was there someone brought in a whole bunch of solid Brass animals and ornaments and there was a lot and tried to buy it because it was some nice stuff but refused to sell it too me and I could not believe someone would sell a collection of brass animals and ornaments for scrap price it had to be someones collection that died and they did not want t so they sold it to the scrap dealer for peanuts.
One place where mill stones were made was in Kerhonkson NY . BFGoodrich made buttons out of rubber in the early 1850’s and had a patent on them . Bless you and your family !!!
It could be a a double compound engine, just a thought!! Love your videos. Keep at it Jonathan. Regards Alan, UK
I love that "rock" you found, that is beyond neat
One thing a tire plant had/has was lots of steam all over the plant. Installing that engine would be like plugging into an electric socket.
NO, you are not paying too much for your engines, NOR do you have too many. As long as you are having fun and are happy, THAT is ALL that matters. Your videos are fun for us and give us entertainment. THANK YOU for all the neat things you buy and share with us👍
Brother I was thinking about you. Thanks for posting.
Jonathan . I am from Akron Ohio . My grandpa worked at the B.F. Goodrich plant in Akron from 1922 until 1964 , I'll bet he knew what that was for . Thanks for saving all that stuff . i dabble old Briggs & Stratton engines myself . I know what you mean about those blasted tag thieves #$%#@#$# .
I was born in Akron, my dad worked at B.F.Goodrich for 45 years. He took me into the downtown plant in the summertime when he was on vacation, to pick up his weekly check. Walking through the old steam plant there was a multitude of different steam engines to run some of the bias cutter lines, & the tube lines. I was fascinated by them then, & am thrilled to see some of the old equipment is still around…..thanks for saving what you can ! Thanks for sharing, too !!😊
@@garyrobinson8991 Good to see another Akronite comment. Those are good memories . We only lived about a half mile away on Catawba Ave .
You worked hard for your money enjoy what you enjoy
Heave In and Pay Out is a leftover from the entire sailing ship's crew heaving in lines while singing pulley-hauley chantys.
There are a bunch of them built around "heave away" and "haul away".
Sailors would have been very excited when this engine, winch, and a donkey boiler was installed.
We learn something from all your videos. And that's a great thing. We are very grateful for the time and work you do. Thanks Johnathan.
I love your steam videos, yeah I'm 71 now and this heat is kicking my pathetic old ass.
I know it slows things down, but I'd love to see more of the parts fabrication!
Bless you Jonathan - still saving pieces of history for posterity. That $200. reverser could have powered a deck crane, cable drum without end thrust.
Hey Johnathan love all the videos. I miss the hardware store items you show and explain the history. Also miss the one day builds. Your collection is amazing. 😊❤❤❤
Thank you so much for everything! Sincerely William Oberlander of Tulsa Oklahoma
Incredible! Thank you for saving history Jonathan!
Thank you , Jonathan ! All good stuff . Now you have mill stones , & a steam mill to move them . Quite the operation you have there .
Now he needs to find the local corn farmer and he's in business. ------ Jonathan's stoneground corn meal
Tag grabbers: They'll enjoy them but their kids will throw the tags away. Nonsensical.
You have great feelers out to find goodies for the collection and your area seems to be the remaining hotbed for steam engines.
So very neat!
How did they cut those grinding stones?
I feel smarter after every one of your videos.
Thanks.
Looks to be a steam capstan or at least the powered part. Some were mounted horizontally, others beneath the decking. Several images available on the net.
It could be from a steam crane
More good stuff!
The history and the story is great!
( I have two tool boxes that came out of the Chevy plant in Baltimore....years passed and I took them to my storage which was an old Chevy dealership forty years ago.....Now the tool boxes are home ).
Very interesting,thanks for sharing Jonathan.
Everyone reads about these mill stones, but knowing how they are used by knowledge passed down is priceless. You just don't grind all day long with them. You have to keep those grooves and using them wears them down.
Could alway put the thrust bearing on the prop shaft. Might have been an auxiliary winch for line handling and lifeboats. Very cool
not far from you in ellerbe nc is a 4h camp called camp millstone, it has a granite outcrop and there are 13 broken stones that didnt make it. they were mined there
thats were andre the giant had a farm
@@darrelturner9760 yes he did, you could see him at the dixie burger every morning he as home
It's about time you got a mill stone.
He had one for along time
Grist, my old man worked for PBR back in the day. Spent some time at the grist mill.
I have a B.F. Goodrich (Treddle type) Sewing Machine (ca 1886)--- still works.
Awesome always cool stuff always thanks
Great as usual. Tag removers should have their tags removed. Thanks foe sharing your passion for engineering history which was the opposite of the throw away mindset.
"Pay out" and "Heave in" are absolutely marine terms, usually talking about mooring lines, anchors, and maybe fishing nets
Man what you spend is up to you.
We are just lucky there are guys like you that have awesome collections.
Love that stone.
Exactly
Very interesting stuff. Glad the BFG engine is more than u expected. 👍👍
B.F.Goodrich made a lot of tires through the years! Great find Jonathan!
As always. Thank you for sharing
Wow!, the history!, very cool stuff
I believe boats had a thrust block on the shaft to isolate the blade thrust from the engine. A local marine contractor had a mess of those deck winches like that, for mooring ships with a few even converted to Detroit diesels. The whole yard went for scrap last year they were in business for 98 years I believe, but nobody was willing to pay over scrap for them. I really wanted one but up north in Michigan all scrap for WWII was easily transported on the lakes with most towns having a foundry, so there are no boilers and engines just left sitting.
From one old fart to another THANK YOU fer postin lad !!
CAIN'T wait fer the update(s) EH !!
Always fun to see what you have found. Looking forward to seeing this little engine run.
I'm not sure if what I'm saying is really true but I think probably most younger people aren't too interested in your steam engine videos but I can tell you that for myself and a lot of older folks who have been around many of these engines, they're all apart of the history of the United States of America. Steam is what we had in the beginning and it worked very well.
Very cool. I went in the old goodrich plant in Akron to photograph it right at the start of demolition, there were indeed multiple engines and compressors left.
I like the grist Mill Stone
Hello Jonathan: that engine looks very similar to a bucket scoop
Lift. I saw one at a small mine museum. I hope you can get it identified and back to running condition. Keep cool and keep the videos coming.
Interesting. I just stumbled across your channel. Might just have t have a look further. I like your ideas on leaving old repairs in place. Cheers
Excellent video Johnathan W :) so cool on stones also BFG rubber plant history lessons on and plus new motor try fix up too!
Jonathan W you don't have to explain what you spend your money on! And the majority of us subs don't care what or how you spend your money! You earn it so it's your choice period
was you going to say brake there screwdriver looks like it was used till the wheels felloff i love to see this kind of machinery working kept going by guy ,s like you jonnathan i take my hat off to eny one doing 😮🤓✌👍 old time conservation
When I was growing up in southwestern New Hampshire in the late 40s and early 50s millstones commonly of about 4 foot diameter were a common site because people used them as steps outside their front doors. We unearthed one digging up the drywell into which our kitchen sink drained. The area was first settled in the mid 18th century.
Thanks for posting the video. I like the interesting engines that you buy and get running. Take care of yourself, because as we get older, the heat takes a toll on you sooner. All the best to you and your family.
Cool
If there was something like your stuff out here in the west I would collect it too
At least 2 years ago, there was steam still going through the lines at the old BFG plant location in Akron. The stacks were still standing. It is next to the Spaghetti Warehouse. You can hear the steam if you walk the tow path behind the Spaghetti Warehouse. They used to make rubber belts for conveyer belts in the Spaghetti Warehouse building.
Great stuff Jonathan , always great to see what you’re working on…
Thanks Johnathon!
Thanks for the ride I always enjoy a trip to the Dinosaur farm. Do you have an idea how they cut the stones. My best guess is hammer & chisel don't know. Thank you four time. Paul
That is definitely a B.F. Goodrich Asset Tag! Very cool find!
Sure miss Jonathan’s videos lately hope he’s doing good 🙏🙏👍👍
You just nailed it. Ancor winch
My immediate thought on seeing the title was " ... and the rock worked ... " Glad it worked out better for you - love the videos and what you do. 😎
Your saving them, so, yeah, being a huge part of their history! I would guess marine winch on that one. Looks very old. Love the unfinished stone, right on brother,,,,,Love,,,DUBS,,,
I once came across a nomenclature tag in a mixed lot auction that read Crocker Wheeler,Roebling NJ.I believe it once belonged to a dynamo.I put it on an eBay auction and ended up selling for a crazy amount of money.I would’ve never thought something like that would sell for what it did.Goes to show you things like that are sought after.
Probably is a deck wench for loading and unloading cargo dockside. Maybe even used to raise and lower booms. Who knows, could have come of a whaler, to off load barrels of rendered oil. Steam power to operate the capstan. ?? The grist mill stone has special local interest in your area. Most were powered by water wheel.?
Interesting piece enjoyed the video Jonathan take care👍
Nice additions to your collection Jonno,especially the rock.
It is most unusual to see an unfinished stone away from the quarry. They were completed where they were quarried to keep the weight down for transportation. Grist stone is one name, quern stone is another here in Britain.
Is that a pet rock , nice vidio as always
I saw a two cylinder engine that looked a lot like yours and it was used as a cargo winch on an old steam ship in Seattle Washington
U have riden an old steam boat on a chain of lakes in northern Wisconsin. It seems the engine was similar size upright with flywheel on the side like that. The single cylinder. It seems I remember the captain using his foot to help spin flywheel when changing direction maybe I am wrong there.
I have riden
Always learn cool stuff from Jonathan!
Hi Jonathan! If it's ok I'd like to talk 'bout the elephant in the room, so to speak. I'm actually stunned that no one else seems to have picked up on it. At round'bout the 2:50 mark, when U start showing us the "Acme" engine, U very casually mentioned "air conditioning". Please excuse the expression but, WTF, Jonathan? Just kidding, obviously, but really, what's up, is that a separate lil' building (hardware store) U've got to work in when it's just too hot in the main shop (long time subscriber here, I 'member the old International pick-up/Chevy frame swap)? I get it, believe me. I'm down here in Central Louisiana where the heat and humidity tend to get a bit oppressive. I'm SO SO grateful for my lil' 900sq.' shop, even tho it looks like a bomb went off in there. I've been hanging onto a 3ton HVAC system for years, God only knows if I'll ever get 'round to puttin' it in.
A 'Grits' mill?🤣 Missed that one, I must be a 'dipstick'. Thank You!
I think I’ll cook me up some grist for breakfast. Dukes of Hazard style! LOL
I agree that the BFG markings adds to the story value of that small engine. I wonder what job in the factory it was providing power for?
Thanks for sharing! 😎👍
If you bought the auction engines from Mcfaddens auction in NY they were my uncle's and they were both used on hay winches for unloading loose hay
I did. Both, were there two?
@@jonathanw4942 There was 2 and a bunch of hit and miss engines that my uncle sent to Mcfaddens. I used the steam engines 30 some years ago. They were on 2 old Ireland hay winches in my grandfather's barns. The winches were originally powered by horse treadmills them as my grandfather phased out the horses and started using a John Deere h in the 30s and 40s he ran the winches off the steam engines and 2 homemade woodboilers he made from 2 old heating heating steam coal boilers that came from NYC. The boilers and engine ran the hay winches on around 60 pounds of pressure so the boilers used very little coal because you didn't have to have a big roaring fire 6-8 shovels of coal went just about all day. I had the boilers up until 2 years ago, I wasn't ever planning on using them ever ago so they went to an antique engine show ground in Gallopville NY where one sits in a barn and the other they use to run an old donkey engine during the show. I still have the 2 hay winches still working a few weeks a year but now ran with electric motors because I still put loose hay in the barns every years but now instead of feeding cows with the loose hat it's fed down hay chutes and into 2 balers when someone orders hay. It's a lot less work and quicker for me to put up loose hay and them bale it out of barn instead of having to stack it on wagons as it's baled and then turn around a handle it 2 more times to get it stacked in barn.
I love the History,,,, Rock on..
I have always understood ACME to stand for uncertain/dubious provenance. That's why Wile E Coyote shops there.
Jonathan I feel that you do not have to justify what or how you decide to spend your own money. You earned it yourself for yourself. Just my 2 cents... oh wait we don't have pennies in Canada anymore so is just my nickel :D
"All" your toys and videos are "Cooler Than Dang-it " in my book . Thank You !
I think you are definatly part of the history. Of these engines. How are you fixing the cast. I have seen good results using tig brazing using bronze rod. Id like to try it some day.
Very interesting
Yes part of B.F. Goodrich is near Summit world headquarters. Summit is on the north side of the highway and B.F.Goodrich is on the south. My niece lives in Summit, county so we drive by there. AL B.
Have you seen Iron Jonesy Shop Tour All the best Peter
i love your "History Channel".
Pardon my ignorance, but what kind of machine did they use to cut a perfect 4 foot circle out of a bolder? The cut looks perfect
Those brass tags bring more than you paid for the entire rest of the engine. I bet someone just sold them separately to maximize revenue.
Its been a minute now since I have posted and doubt you would remember me. I look at this types of engines as a doomsday survivor. If everything went to heck in a hand basket, this would still make power for anything you choose to do so. So that said, value is relative to its needs. I know that north Carolina suffers with all kinds of weather conditions, and you have lost power for a long time. I live in alaska where you just don't see steam engines around anymore. I tho have been out of circulation because a long time injury... I still suffer and because of not exercising even tho I felt it hurt too much, am now a cripple from my own stupidity. I loved being a mechanic, fabricator, and fair welder. Too bad my decisions were my own undoing. Wishing you much success in this type of thing as I find it important in a good many instances
Could be a engine for hoisting sail on a merchant ship.
Hi jonathan we only go round once so enjoy what you do an its your money so dont worry bout what you spend its nobodys buisness . Cheers mate🇦🇺
American hero !🇺🇸
I bet many of the tag removers are doing it because it's made from brass or copper and they take them just for scrap weight. One time i was cashing in some pop cans and some aluminum rims there was a box that had a bunch of machinery tags and things in it I was tempted to buy it of the scrapper but I knew they would not sell it because another time I was there someone brought in a whole bunch of solid Brass animals and ornaments and there was a lot and tried to buy it because it was some nice stuff but refused to sell it too me and I could not believe someone would sell a collection of brass animals and ornaments for scrap price it had to be someones collection that died and they did not want t so they sold it to the scrap dealer for peanuts.
I assumed that two cylinder steam engine was for pulling anchors like you just said as I’m writing this comment
great work as always
I like the 'marine' engine
There was a millstone quarry near Parkwood NC bewteen Robbins and Sanford N.C.
Jonathan build a replica of The African Queen
love the stones you got.the one thats not finished is so cool.how did you find it??
I like the odd things also ❤FINS UP ❤
That possibly marine engine might have been for a windlass, or anchor chain winch engine.
Looks good