On the side of a hill where there was only one flat spot on the hills in that entire section of the trail. It was hell because the there was dirt/clay mix. Not the most comfortable place but my tent didn’t blow away. Slept like a baby though.
Not me but the rest of my Girl Scout Troop years ago (1999). We weren't expecting rain but a huge storm came with lots of rain and lighting. My tent was on the high ground and fairly sheltered with some brush...the other two tents were set up in the wash zone for the entire campground and were flooded. Thank goodness our troop leader had a RV and extra dry clothes for them.
You need sand anchors. Just use a few plastic grocery bags with handles, fill them with sand or bury them, or cover with rocks. Works in snow, too. Buried sticks work ok if you can get deep enough.
I like that you talked about the guy line set up. I haven’t seen many videos that address how to properly use them. Would love to see more on guy line use for different tent types.
I set up on a huge granite rock in Algonquin park, so no ground. I had to put my stakes through the guy line loops on my Triplex, lay the stakes on the ground, and put a rock on top. Worked like a charm. Phew! For the two stakes connected to my trekking poles, I piled up a few rocks as they take more force to secure.
In Darwin Basin we were camped on granite slabs. My buddy had a freestanding tent so he was fine. I had to lay my stakes flat on the ground, and use big rocks to hold them in place and create the tension. Not the best pitch I ever had, but it worked for the night.
Jens Williamson, III (Deaf) The sand sucks! I agreed. Simple! Just put 4 heavy rocks by 4 corners (Inside of the tent). Use 6 heavy rocks for Rain Fly (6 holders) It worked for me in the past. Better than Nothing! You will know. Okay! Thanks for your time. Have a good year in 2024! Respectfully, Jens C. Williamson, III 😎😷👍🇺🇲 Bexar County 🇨🇱 Retired ID Hearing Impaired OASDI and The Disability ✅✅ Approved! One Big Problem: If heavy rain on the sand. More Difficult Time... Big Headache!!! Go home period! Lol 😂
That trick with the stick (or a trekking pole) can be used to create more space in the Lanshan range of trekking pole tents as well... and even the more expensive tents like the Z Packs .... just a few more cubic feet makes so mush difference in a tiny space.... Nice collaboration Dan ... you must be learning a lot from these fellow you tubers.... Thanks for sharing...
Great idea about the stick with the guy line. My MSR Elixir tent has the guy lines too high so the lines go down on too much of an angle. I'll have to try the stick next time I'm out.
Clear creek wilderness, we ended up in an area where the only place with enough space and remotely level ground was almost completely river rock, ranging from egg size to softball and some bigger. Thankfully I had my big Agnes Tiger Wall ul2 semi freestanding tent and nemo tensor pad. I was able to clear a space and make it level enough to get the tent pitched and the pad was plenty thick so the hard bumpy ground was no issue. Definitely used the rock method to get things set up. Tough spot but amazing place we floated some deep pools of water in tubes we packed in and made it to some less than traveled spots in that area. Totally worth the extra effort to be in such an amazing beautiful place.
I normally leave stuff sacks at home but if I know there will be lots of sand, I bring them and fill them with sand and tie off to them. They don't fray guy lines and webbing or get tipped over like rocks do when the wind picks up. And a sleeping bag or tent sized stuff sac is incredibly heavy and stable when filled with sand.
Great info. Two things to add: 1) In sand or snow, use V-stakes with holes cut in them down the length and tie the line through the middle hole on both sides of the V, then bury your stake horizontally (on it's side) and perpendicular to the guyline 4-6" deep with the point of the V pointing away from the guyline. The larger V-stakes will work best. For even more hold (expecting high wind?), pack the snow down tight over the stake and all around the stake for at least a foot in all directions, or for sand, pour some water over the area to help the sand settle tightly around the stake. 2) I disagree about panel guylines and wind. The panel guyline will significantly reduce the effect of wind coming from that side of the tent. If the windward side is loose, wind pushes it in, and it becomes a cupped shape, catching the wind. With a taught guyline holding the centerpoint out, it stays as more of a cone or pyramid shape pointed into the wind, which allows the wind to slide over the body of the tent much more aerodynamically. It will also help on the leeward and other two sides to keep the panels taught and lessen the noise of flapping (though it will still be loud enough to keep you awake, probably).
I really despise plastic shopping bags but they work awesome for guy lines. Put as big a rock that will fit in the bag or a bunch of small ones, tie to the handles and cinch your line taut.
LOL does that make you the queen? No judging in 2020! I've had to pitch my tents in some band sand in Utah before, using ground hogs help, but in other situations I used rocks to tie off to with my non freestanding tents.
I feel like "a lot of poking things making it difficult to get set up" describes about 95% of my hiking and camping experiences. But I live in Australia so that's pretty normal. Great tips here. I usually don't worry about using pegs in sand and just tie the lines around rocks or around a stick and bury it, just another option.
My wife and I used the tiger wall ul3 in the great sand dunes np. Semi freestanding is the way to go in the sand. Ah, long hikes on a beach with no ocean. How many times did you stop to empty your shoes? Hike on Dan!
Thanks Devon (and by proxy Dan)... I have that same tent and be have been doing guylines wrong the whole time 🤦♀️ LOL Newbie lightweight backpacker here just excited to learn!
I agree with others that these kind of videos are great. Getting gear is only part of it, knowing how to use it in the varying and unpredictable terrain we may experience is an even bigger part. Keep it coming with these helpful type videos. "How to handle wet clothes while on trail?" Would be a nice one. Btw, I was NOT a fan of that lens. The wide angle, with the fisheye effect was a bit distracting for this type of video.
Research done on tent stakes demonstrate that a straight down, slight tilt TOWARDS the tent, not 45 deg away, is the strongest hold. You have no idea what you're talking about. I see a bunch of expensive looking gear, but no real bush craft skills. Was hoping for some decent techniques, but nope, its all rubbish. I don't see the buried dead man anchors, or stake behind rock, or anything else. I don't even see upside down stakes (buried upside down), you should remake the video with these ideas.
What’s the worst location you’ve ever set up camp? 👇🏼
On the side of a hill where there was only one flat spot on the hills in that entire section of the trail. It was hell because the there was dirt/clay mix. Not the most comfortable place but my tent didn’t blow away. Slept like a baby though.
Not me but the rest of my Girl Scout Troop years ago (1999). We weren't expecting rain but a huge storm came with lots of rain and lighting. My tent was on the high ground and fairly sheltered with some brush...the other two tents were set up in the wash zone for the entire campground and were flooded. Thank goodness our troop leader had a RV and extra dry clothes for them.
On an island in a wash in San Rafael Swell in utah. It was do that or pitch are tents in cacti
Baghdad, Iraq. Not only did we have to deal with sandy soil, the rocket attacks ruined our nighttime stargazing.
Been in many different situations but I believe Greg Morton has been in the worst location.
You need sand anchors. Just use a few plastic grocery bags with handles, fill them with sand or bury them, or cover with rocks. Works in snow, too. Buried sticks work ok if you can get deep enough.
Weird place to go Sasquatch hunting but you can't argue with results.
I usually think of putting the tent pegs in the ground 90 degrees in relation to the rope, not the ground
I like that you talked about the guy line set up. I haven’t seen many videos that address how to properly use them. Would love to see more on guy line use for different tent types.
more of this undercover collaborations please!! 🎉
Nice to see Devon and you getting outside together. Good tips.
Been waiting for you to post something on the Utah trip.
I set up on a huge granite rock in Algonquin park, so no ground. I had to put my stakes through the guy line loops on my Triplex, lay the stakes on the ground, and put a rock on top. Worked like a charm. Phew! For the two stakes connected to my trekking poles, I piled up a few rocks as they take more force to secure.
They is so true. Just finished hiking the “mighty five” in Utah. Setting up a tent in Moab, Ut is totally different then the east coast lol.
In Darwin Basin we were camped on granite slabs. My buddy had a freestanding tent so he was fine. I had to lay my stakes flat on the ground, and use big rocks to hold them in place and create the tension. Not the best pitch I ever had, but it worked for the night.
Jens Williamson, III (Deaf)
The sand sucks! I agreed.
Simple! Just put 4 heavy rocks by 4 corners (Inside of the tent). Use 6 heavy rocks for Rain Fly (6 holders) It worked for me in the past. Better than Nothing! You will know. Okay!
Thanks for your time. Have a good year in 2024!
Respectfully,
Jens C. Williamson, III
😎😷👍🇺🇲
Bexar County 🇨🇱
Retired ID
Hearing Impaired
OASDI and The Disability ✅✅
Approved!
One Big Problem:
If heavy rain on the sand.
More Difficult Time...
Big Headache!!!
Go home period! Lol
😂
Thanks so much for this! Very helpful. More videos like this please!!
That trick with the stick (or a trekking pole) can be used to create more space in the Lanshan range of trekking pole tents as well... and even the more expensive tents like the Z Packs .... just a few more cubic feet makes so mush difference in a tiny space.... Nice collaboration Dan ... you must be learning a lot from these fellow you tubers.... Thanks for sharing...
Great video Dan!
Great idea about the stick with the guy line. My MSR Elixir tent has the guy lines too high so the lines go down on too much of an angle. I'll have to try the stick next time I'm out.
Utah might be the hidden gem in the US for backpacking multiple different environments and conditions - it's just stunningly unique and beautiful
carpathiancossack yes! Love that I can go into so many different mountains in the summer and drive south in the winter for year round backpacking
Thank you sir. I did not know that side guide line hack.
Good stuff Dan!
Great info about the lines, maybe some more vids on proper site choosing and what to consider?
Clear creek wilderness, we ended up in an area where the only place with enough space and remotely level ground was almost completely river rock, ranging from egg size to softball and some bigger. Thankfully I had my big Agnes Tiger Wall ul2 semi freestanding tent and nemo tensor pad. I was able to clear a space and make it level enough to get the tent pitched and the pad was plenty thick so the hard bumpy ground was no issue. Definitely used the rock method to get things set up. Tough spot but amazing place we floated some deep pools of water in tubes we packed in and made it to some less than traveled spots in that area. Totally worth the extra effort to be in such an amazing beautiful place.
I'm not entirely proud of how much I laughed at the Sasquatch text on Tayson
I normally leave stuff sacks at home but if I know there will be lots of sand, I bring them and fill them with sand and tie off to them. They don't fray guy lines and webbing or get tipped over like rocks do when the wind picks up. And a sleeping bag or tent sized stuff sac is incredibly heavy and stable when filled with sand.
Awesome job 👏 mine was in some rocky area just under the surface
I sleep standing so I only need 8" x 12"
Great info. Two things to add:
1) In sand or snow, use V-stakes with holes cut in them down the length and tie the line through the middle hole on both sides of the V, then bury your stake horizontally (on it's side) and perpendicular to the guyline 4-6" deep with the point of the V pointing away from the guyline. The larger V-stakes will work best. For even more hold (expecting high wind?), pack the snow down tight over the stake and all around the stake for at least a foot in all directions, or for sand, pour some water over the area to help the sand settle tightly around the stake.
2) I disagree about panel guylines and wind. The panel guyline will significantly reduce the effect of wind coming from that side of the tent. If the windward side is loose, wind pushes it in, and it becomes a cupped shape, catching the wind. With a taught guyline holding the centerpoint out, it stays as more of a cone or pyramid shape pointed into the wind, which allows the wind to slide over the body of the tent much more aerodynamically. It will also help on the leeward and other two sides to keep the panels taught and lessen the noise of flapping (though it will still be loud enough to keep you awake, probably).
that type of guide lines are more meant to help with the space between 2 layers of our tent, so the water from condensation has some space to run down
Great info on guylines. It was a light goes on moment. It will make such a difference. That should be in the instructions.
Looking forward to a review of that big Agnes tent
I really despise plastic shopping bags but they work awesome for guy lines. Put as big a rock that will fit in the bag or a bunch of small ones, tie to the handles and cinch your line taut.
LOL does that make you the queen? No judging in 2020! I've had to pitch my tents in some band sand in Utah before, using ground hogs help, but in other situations I used rocks to tie off to with my non freestanding tents.
Yes, here in AZ many people prefer free-standing tents because often you will find ground that's too hard to get pegs into.
I feel like "a lot of poking things making it difficult to get set up" describes about 95% of my hiking and camping experiences. But I live in Australia so that's pretty normal.
Great tips here. I usually don't worry about using pegs in sand and just tie the lines around rocks or around a stick and bury it, just another option.
thanks for the guyline tips. I'm never sure about them.
My wife and I used the tiger wall ul3 in the great sand dunes np. Semi freestanding is the way to go in the sand. Ah, long hikes on a beach with no ocean. How many times did you stop to empty your shoes? Hike on Dan!
Thanks Devon (and by proxy Dan)... I have that same tent and be have been doing guylines wrong the whole time 🤦♀️ LOL Newbie lightweight backpacker here just excited to learn!
Very cool we were just in Coyote Gulch last week close to where you were.. This place was beautiful! We needed to see you video before we went LOL
Here’s the video of our trip! ruclips.net/video/Jr_orxnLfds/видео.html
@@DanBecker thank you so much I need to check out that area next year
Hey just wondering what's your best recommendation for a family lightweight backpacking tent 3-4 people with all the gear 👍
great color on the video. What camera are you using?
I would say just hang a hammock...but i dont see any trees. Great information guys. Love the team up
Can be done without trees. Been reading a lot into it lately
Gonna have to see what Kyle's opinion on all of this is!!!!
Real LIVE footage of Sasquatch! FINALLY
This. This is the type of video you should do when not talking about new gear.
Dan when are you going to hike Idaho? Thanks for the tent tips.
I hiked the Sawtooth Mountains last month
@@DanBecker I must have missed that video unless their isn't one. Sawtooth is fun. I did a hike there where I took a boat ride to the trail head.
I didn’t make one lol.
ROCKS ROCKS and more ROCKS. That's all. The END.
Got em 👌
That's cool you guys are together. I sub to his channel too. Excellent vid Dan!
another pro tip: you can use your toilet spade for a stake/"peg" if needed.
Please...let's get a review of the Big Agnes Carbon!
lmao ... a tayson sasquatch eh!
I agree with others that these kind of videos are great. Getting gear is only part of it, knowing how to use it in the varying and unpredictable terrain we may experience is an even bigger part. Keep it coming with these helpful type videos. "How to handle wet clothes while on trail?" Would be a nice one.
Btw, I was NOT a fan of that lens. The wide angle, with the fisheye effect was a bit distracting for this type of video.
Should had actually shown how he set it up
Didn't pin you guys for crips blue on blue.
Research done on tent stakes demonstrate that a straight down, slight tilt TOWARDS the tent, not 45 deg away, is the strongest hold. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I see a bunch of expensive looking gear, but no real bush craft skills. Was hoping for some decent techniques, but nope, its all rubbish.
I don't see the buried dead man anchors, or stake behind rock, or anything else. I don't even see upside down stakes (buried upside down), you should remake the video with these ideas.