I was Ship's Company in 1952. At the moment May 2012 the mast are off the ship and Victory is under going renovation. The R,N, is still a formidable fighting force and has been recruiting more women for tactical screen use on the Bridge.
Nelson was an astonishing man, almost godly. But the sailors were as worthy. They were highly professional, loved their leader, and they were motivated. The worked as an entire subculture, with their own dialect and private codes. Words like "skyscraper" and "square meal" were made by them. They were the embodiment of England, and of decency.
The sailing master must of been a genius, what a magnificent ship. Of course I had read books by Alexander Kent, Patrick O'Brian, C.S. Forrester and Dudley Pope et al but viewing this ship was truly amazing. Not one piece of rope, halyard or standing rigging was not needed to drive this Ship truly amazing, Thanks for the post
To think this actual ship was at the Batlle of Trafalgar. Men running around firing off guns etc.hundreds of years ago. Its great that something like this is saved and preserved. Cool vid thx for uploading.
It was 2000. I would have loved to have had a shot of my 78 year old Mum having to duck to negotiate her way through the orlop deck. When you think of what "Iron Men in Wooden Ships" had to go through & live through, it's incredible. Coulda been worse, coulda been a galley(& not the type you cook in)
Very nice vid.I'm building a model of this great ship and watched this for accuracy in my project. The movie clip they showed in the gun deck looked to be from the movie "Master and Commander",one of my most favorite flix!!Thanx for the upload and sharing,much appreciated!!
I've had the privilege to stand on her deck- She's in Portsmouth if you ever make it over, along with HMS Warrior, the worlds first first iron-hulled, armour-plated warship- And what's left of the Mary Rose- Henry VIII's flagship!
MAGNIFICENT is often used undeservedly now days But this ship is truly Magnificent Build by Real craftsmen it is a truly Majestic ship what an achievement for the people who build her n the sailors who sailed in this Beautiful ship
Nice video.Most of the cannons on victory at the battle of trafalgar were made here in my home town of rotherham,by the walker ironworks that Im currently researching
@TalonMercenary "The battle against the HMS Java proved to be a turning point for the ways the British Navy approached battles at sea. From that point on, British ships were no longer authorized to face American Heavy Frigates one on one" british gunnery? what is that? 3/4 of the naval battles of the war of 1812 were lost by british gunnery. Nearly every captain and his 1st Lt were killed by US Marines
Not to mention much thicker hull construction, and multiple 32-pound guns ... whereas the heaviest on Conny were 24-pounders - with weaker penetrating power by a factor of magnitude.
The French and Spanish were terrified of the English fleet--and had no illusions of defeating them after Nelson had spent the better part of decade attacking and hammering the French fleet. Napoleon, who gave himself up to a British warship commented to the captain of the ship on the differences between a French ship and a British ship. Quiet and discipline was observed by Napoleon. On French ships, there was lack of discipline and everyone squabbled like "geese".
I believe Phil said Old Ironsides CAN take on and beat Victory. 200 years ago a heavy frigate WOULD HAVE be no match for a First rate. However; Constitution is able to sail under her own power, and is floated out into the harbor annually, whereas Victory is essentially sunk, resting on the bottom of dry dock #2. If the battle was TODAY, ship afloat versus ship aground, the ship that can manuever has the advantage.
Especially considering that a man of war could not stop on a dime and could NOT stay in another's blindspot ... unless the other made absolutely no effort to maneuver into a better position to fight back. To many kids are too influenced by their experience playing video games.
Excellent video of the beautiful and historic HMS Victory and accompanied by lovely music. Well done. It has brought back many happy memories when I lived in Hampshire and visited HMS Victory. Thank you. p.s. What is the first piece of music called - I know it, but can't remember the name (very frustrating)!
@shaunh1986 this ship is 2x larger than yours. The only reason it is in a dry dock is that it is now used as a meuseum, it probobly could still float if put into the water.
Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. Constitution fought and defeated ships of the Royal Navy. Victory never faced the US. Plus it would be ungentlemanly for a first rate to fire on a frigate, even in a battle, unless the frigate fired on a ship of the line first.
bazmaximo- I think you're thinking of the Mary Rose, Henry VIII's flagship that capsized and sunk due to being top heavy with guns. HMS Warspite has one of the most amazing histories of World War II- look here up on Wikipedia. - quite an accurate account of her life- Crying shame she was scapped but she was defiant to the end :)
People seem to forget the facts here, the navies of Britian and the US used their ships differently the USA defended itself rather than went on long range expeditions in most cases, HMS Victory was built to fight iset piece battles where ships of simila size would spend about 3 or 4 hours blowing chunks out of each other with huge cannon, Constitution is a Razee and a damn fine one of that but it was a frigate its not a fair comparison to compare them or to compare the C to the old Victory.
But comparatively a feather-weight in terms of firepower. Maintaining a frigate-sized tallship of the Conny's tonnage doesn't require the same skill set that maintaining a TRUE man-of-war requires. That's why many nations still have historic frigates afloat, but only England has preserved a true first rate.
The constitution would out run the victory and get out of the way before she got close. But, if the two were to be in a pitched battle, the victory would edge it......a lot
@frankydman It would but wasn't the HMS Warspite loaded with so many guns that it didn't float, correct me if im wrong please my British Naval history is a bit hazy.
it is a nice ship, probably my favorite:). although I dont think she is very suitable for piracy. Sure she can pack a punch with all those cannons but when the royal navy comes after you you want a ship that is fast or else you are done for;)
@irishfan263 The Constitution did not sink the HMS Victory. If there was a real battle between the two, Victory would win because it has much more guns.
Live oak, with white oak planking wasnt it,? it wasnt strictly a frigate but a raze, a much stronger vessel. BTW the constitution would have been more manouverable only until the first broadside before probably being dismasted by victorys bigger longer ranged cannon...then what?
I'm not sure myself. Maybe an expert on WWII Naval history will come across this little chat and answer this question for us. But what are the odds of that? (Seriously, is it possible that someone can answer this question for us?)
What...? It didn't. It capped a few merchant vessels and beat a few understrength Fifth Rate frigates that had no where near the same calibre of fire-power or amount of crew. Victory went up against the Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad, the most heavily armed Ship of the Line ever built and spearheaded the greatest and most decisive battle in the Age of Sail.... there is no comparison.
watch?v=8OQJ4UrAVJw and prepare for a visit to the The Scottish Fisheries Museum, see the video links and the pull down links and you'll appreciate your visit much more!
the carpenting skills and rope works on these ships is incredible.
I was Ship's Company in 1952. At the moment May 2012 the mast are off the ship and Victory is under going renovation. The R,N, is still a formidable fighting force and has been recruiting more women for tactical screen use on the Bridge.
Nelson was an astonishing man, almost godly. But the sailors were as worthy. They were highly professional, loved their leader, and they were motivated. The worked as an entire subculture, with their own dialect and private codes. Words like "skyscraper" and "square meal" were made by them. They were the embodiment of England, and of decency.
I'm impressed that scenes from Master and Commander were considered good enough to be show aboard Victory herself!
The sailing master must of been a genius, what a magnificent ship. Of course I had read books by Alexander Kent, Patrick O'Brian, C.S. Forrester and Dudley Pope et al but viewing this ship was truly amazing. Not one piece of rope, halyard or standing rigging was not needed to drive this Ship truly amazing, Thanks for the post
imagine running into that thing in its day! what a gorgeous ship!!
To think this actual ship was at the Batlle of Trafalgar.
Men running around firing off guns etc.hundreds of years ago.
Its great that something like this is saved and preserved.
Cool vid thx for uploading.
IMPRESSIONANTE COMO AS OUTRAS NAÇÕES AMAM SUA HISTÓRIA! AMAM SEU PASSADO DE DIFICULDADES, MAIS ACIMA DE TUDO, UM PASSADO GLORIOSO!
Amazing. One of the most marvellous and majestic ships ever launched.
It was 2000. I would have loved to have had a shot of my 78 year old Mum having to duck to negotiate her way through the orlop deck. When you think of what "Iron Men in Wooden Ships" had to go through & live through, it's incredible. Coulda been worse, coulda been a galley(& not the type you cook in)
I'm happy to see this wonderful and very old ship !
remembrance from Germany ;)
One of today's historic treasures still here for us all to visit.
Masterful piece of craftsmanship and an awesome symbol of naval power.
Very nice vid.I'm building a model of this great ship and watched this for accuracy in my project. The movie clip they showed in the gun deck looked to be from the movie "Master and Commander",one of my most favorite flix!!Thanx for the upload and sharing,much appreciated!!
Its HUGE ship! Interesting to see that draft is bigger than modern cruise liners does have.
I've had the privilege to stand on her deck- She's in Portsmouth if you ever make it over, along with HMS Warrior, the worlds first first iron-hulled, armour-plated warship- And what's left of the Mary Rose- Henry VIII's flagship!
The USS Constitution is awesome. However, the HMS Victory is simply majestic!
Incredible! Ahh, to have been a carpenter back then!
MAGNIFICENT is often used undeservedly now days But this ship is truly Magnificent Build by Real craftsmen it is a truly Majestic ship what an achievement for the people who build her n the sailors who sailed in this Beautiful ship
Nice video.Most of the cannons on victory at the battle of trafalgar were made here in my home town of rotherham,by the walker ironworks that Im currently researching
great video , well done . thanks for posting.
magnifica in ogni suo dettaglio !!!
After the battle of Trafalgar the Royal Navy's supremacy was unchallenged for over 80 years! Stick that in your Constitution! :)
I wish we hadn't invented modern warships. Ships like Victory are so much more attractive.
QUE MARAVILHA,nunca na minha vida pensei em gostar de veleiros, show, MUITO SHOW!!!
@TalonMercenary
"The battle against the HMS Java proved to be a turning point for the ways the British Navy approached battles at sea. From that point on, British ships were no longer authorized to face American Heavy Frigates one on one"
british gunnery? what is that?
3/4 of the naval battles of the war of 1812 were lost by british gunnery. Nearly every captain and his 1st Lt were killed by US Marines
Not to mention much thicker hull construction, and multiple 32-pound guns ... whereas the heaviest on Conny were 24-pounders - with weaker penetrating power by a factor of magnitude.
"Hearts of Oak" would be perfect as well.
It must have been wonderfull to sail that ship!
Of course :) She in a drydock in Portsmouth, England.
The French and Spanish were terrified of the English fleet--and had no illusions of defeating them after Nelson had spent the better part of decade attacking and hammering the French fleet.
Napoleon, who gave himself up to a British warship commented to the captain of the ship on the differences between a French ship and a British ship. Quiet and discipline was observed by Napoleon. On French ships, there was lack of discipline and everyone squabbled like "geese".
I believe Phil said Old Ironsides CAN take on and beat Victory. 200 years ago a heavy frigate WOULD HAVE be no match for a First rate. However; Constitution is able to sail under her own power, and is floated out into the harbor annually, whereas Victory is essentially sunk, resting on the bottom of dry dock #2. If the battle was TODAY, ship afloat versus ship aground, the ship that can manuever has the advantage.
Bonito vídeo e impresionante buque.
Master And Commander. A very very good movie u must watch it!
wonderful Victory !!!
Especially considering that a man of war could not stop on a dime and could NOT stay in another's blindspot ... unless the other made absolutely no effort to maneuver into a better position to fight back. To many kids are too influenced by their experience playing video games.
He probably meant Second Rate men-of-war, etc., which were still big, two deck, 74-gun ships. Not frigates, just a lower grade of ships of the line.
at 0:22 that's a part of master and commander i' ve been there in portsmouth
i've seen all the museums
Excellent video of the beautiful and historic HMS Victory and accompanied by lovely music. Well done. It has brought back many happy memories when I lived in Hampshire and visited HMS Victory. Thank you. p.s. What is the first piece of music called - I know it, but can't remember the name (very frustrating)!
Puts the great into great Britain. The best in the world,
@shaunh1986 this ship is 2x larger than yours. The only reason it is in a dry dock is that it is now used as a meuseum, it probobly could still float if put into the water.
Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. Constitution fought and defeated ships of the Royal Navy. Victory never faced the US. Plus it would be ungentlemanly for a first rate to fire on a frigate, even in a battle, unless the frigate fired on a ship of the line first.
Can anyone tell me what film is playing on the projector from 0.23?
bazmaximo- I think you're thinking of the Mary Rose, Henry VIII's flagship that capsized and sunk due to being top heavy with guns.
HMS Warspite has one of the most amazing histories of World War II- look here up on Wikipedia. - quite an accurate account of her life- Crying shame she was scapped but she was defiant to the end :)
amazing ship
looks cool
hey that look like the ship they use in the movie Pirates of the Caribbean!
Yeah now this thing would blow up the black pearl!
People seem to forget the facts here, the navies of Britian and the US used their ships differently the USA defended itself rather than went on long range expeditions in most cases, HMS Victory was built to fight iset piece battles where ships of simila size would spend about 3 or 4 hours blowing chunks out of each other with huge cannon, Constitution is a Razee and a damn fine one of that but it was a frigate its not a fair comparison to compare them or to compare the C to the old Victory.
Wow!
@Syrinx69 Better make this with old Essex-Carriers from WWII ,but very good Idea!!!
Yeah I know a Vic he calls out the bingo down my local club. Constitution is unique in every sense of the word.
But comparatively a feather-weight in terms of firepower. Maintaining a frigate-sized tallship of the Conny's tonnage doesn't require the same skill set that maintaining a TRUE man-of-war requires. That's why many nations still have historic frigates afloat, but only England has preserved a true first rate.
@irishfan263 nope, she sank in a storm, this is a replica.
Ahhh hms victory the twinkle in a Brits eye :)
I been on this boat on a school trip took lots of pics
What's this music? I recognise it from the last scene of the Godfather part 3, when Micheal dies?
constitution has 44 guns eh, well the victory has over 100
I thought the constitution sank that british floater.
very true mate:)
nice hoy
Does she ever go into the sea or is it static?
Are those scenes of "Master and Commander" playing on the video? Looks familiar.
Well considering Victory no longer floats, that'd be a tad difficult now wouldn't it?
The constitution would out run the victory and get out of the way before she got close. But, if the two were to be in a pitched battle, the victory would edge it......a lot
so this is the ship that stopped Napoleon.
im going there tomoz
@frankydman It would but wasn't the HMS Warspite loaded with so many guns that it didn't float, correct me if im wrong please my British Naval history is a bit hazy.
am i right if i say that this is the only surviving ship of the line?
I visited it 2 weeks ago :D
@DCLT05 The OLD HMS Victory sank, not the trafalgar one.
A four decker?
Never sawd such a big ship..
Is HMS Victory not one of the biggest ships still alive?
@DCLT05 Nearly sank during storm but made it, this is no replica
Lol HMS Victory with a video of the HMS Surprise in the beginning.
Nah I doubt that very much. We all have our own opinions though so if your happy with Victory as I am with Constitution then were both content
it is a nice ship, probably my favorite:). although I dont think she is very suitable for piracy. Sure she can pack a punch with all those cannons but when the royal navy comes after you you want a ship that is fast or else you are done for;)
? Someone asked what the film was being projected.
@6399kid Cheers :)
im gonna have a school trip there in summer 2010
Is this in England?
@irishfan263 The Constitution did not sink the HMS Victory. If there was a real battle between the two, Victory would win because it has much more guns.
Live oak, with white oak planking wasnt it,? it wasnt strictly a frigate but a raze, a much stronger vessel. BTW the constitution would have been more manouverable only until the first broadside before probably being dismasted by victorys bigger longer ranged cannon...then what?
master and command : far side of the world (something like that)
As I recall, the British ships that were defeated in 1812 were o
I'm not sure myself. Maybe an expert on WWII Naval history will come across this little chat and answer this question for us.
But what are the odds of that?
(Seriously, is it possible that someone can answer this question for us?)
My ignorance?? It sounds like we both like our history/ships and we are never going to agree so let's leave it here shall we :) Bye!!
Godfather music... lol
HMS Victory would win no problem!
yipp, ETW rulez!!!
But darthmod strongly recommended, or the seabattles will be too arcade style
And yes, it is Master and Commander ^^
This isn't a replica. Although only about 20% or less of the original ship remains which isn't to bad for a ship of its age
What...? It didn't. It capped a few merchant vessels and beat a few understrength Fifth Rate frigates that had no where near the same calibre of fire-power or amount of crew. Victory went up against the Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad, the most heavily armed Ship of the Line ever built and spearheaded the greatest and most decisive battle in the Age of Sail.... there is no comparison.
@00Mandingo00 It sunk.
@abdabs855423575 motivates the Captain to face the enemy rather then have his quarters destroyed by running away lol
@Sannyboy45 Godfather 3 you say? Don't even mention it
Didn't Captain Jack Sparrow and Capt Barboros sink this ship?
@Mr2wings no
watch?v=8OQJ4UrAVJw
and prepare for a visit to the The Scottish Fisheries Museum, see the video links and the pull down links and you'll appreciate your visit much more!
uss is a 44 gun frigate hms victory is a ship of the line or manOwar i think the victory would win
pictures from master and commander XD
@jbearden no
cabin