Absolutely fascinating!! I always learn much from your presentations. No one is doing it like you Chris... so much info, distilled down, but not dumbed down. The "teaching" of the Thetan is totally a perversion of the Vedantic teaching of Atma, or Jiva Atma to be more exact. The word Atma relating to the sense of self that is constant in a universe of change, and the teaching of "Jiva" relates to the idea that there exists an eternal, individual and separate self.
Hi Chris, I read "Going Clear" and also a blog that chronicles the early documents of LRH. I saw that LRH had written an article called "Terra Incognita of the Mind" for Explorer Magazine. I have a PDF of it and saw that he originally called "Engrams" by different name. I also read (and heard LRH say in an early lecture) that he got a lot of information from Alfred Korzybski's 1933 book "Science and Sanity". It was then that he moved to publishing his first Dianetics article in Outstanding Science Fiction. The rest was history. Finally, my own background in electronics made me realize that a lot of what LRH used was the nomenclature of electronics, or synonyms of electronic circuit behavior. The whole Dianetics language of "release", "clear", "running" and "tone scales" sounds very much like the language of electronics, which would have been very convincing cultural cache back in the 50s.
And of course, the whole Reactive Mind/Analytical Mind dichotomy is just a repackaging of Freud's Conscious/Unconscious ideas. The notion that some trauma continues to reside in the Unconscious mind was a big Freudian concept, whereby the trauma is "discharged" (released) via what Freud called "talking therapy" (Auditing), where the Analyst listens and only asks questions (Auditor's Code).
Your book "Scientology A to Xenu" is really thorough. You really go deeply into explaining the OT levels. I have the audio book and I'm getting ready for my second listening. I strongly recommend your book. Really important book.
Bought Dianetics in 1997 from a door to door seller, just to make him go away. Started reading it (didn't finish it), it just didn't make sense. Tried to follow the breakdown on Tony Ortega's webpage, and it still doesn't make sense to me. I'm glad I am not alone in this LOL
That was a stunning video. Totally amazing, my compliments to all of the work that obviously went into this. Thanks for taking the time to break this all down, as someone that has never had anything to do with Scientology, I really appreciated this history! I can't say enough how awesome this was, especially for the outsider looking in.
I dared to chew over the COPIOUS details over at the Underground Bunker, dozens of articles about Dianetics, the Bridge, Jon Atack's info too ... I don't recommend it, but my curiosity is like an ITCH! :) Having learned years ago to barrier myself from all kinds of hypnosis, and also having listened to many dozens of crazies yammer on and on (they always find me in the crowd!) ... I even listen to LRH speaking at his bizarre recorded sessions. YES I DARE! :D He was a madman ... like a fox ... I believe the Temporal Lobe theory you featured.
I've always found the origins of Scientology interesting. LRH always strikes me as the Ed Wood of science fiction, his talent fell far short of his enthusiasm. Except where Ed Wood was a genuinely sympathetic person, LRH was simply just pathetic, and narcissistic. It's always been really weird to me how HE of all people started one of the biggest cults in the modern world. His writing is so asinine and juvenile "billions and trillions of years ago space ships looking like DC-10s dropped nukes in volcanoes on Teegyack" "the Psychlos conquered Earth in 15 minutes and they're after gold but cave men with fighter jets blew up their home world! Whoosh! pew pew brggghhhh!" I was writing shit like that when I was 10 but he gets hundreds of thousands of followers and a multibillion dollar empire.
Despite the group's official claims, it is probably not "one of the biggest," although that may depend on whom you include in the "cult count." Mormons and JW's are much bigger. From google: It's hard to say exactly how many people practice Scientology in the U.S. Many critics suggest that there are between 25,000 and 55,000 active Scientologists....Oct 2, 2012 Poll: Most Americans don't think Scientology is a religion - The ...www.washingtonpost.com › on-faith › 2012/10/02 AND: www.folio.ca/once-thriving-church-of-scientology-faces-extinction-says-cult-tracker/ To avoid charges of practising medicine without a licence, Hubbard rebranded his pseudo-therapy as a religion-calling it Scientology-and proved adept at exploiting celebrity culture to promote it. [Think about that the next time you hear celebrities pontificating on the dangers of global warming or advising you on global warming!] snip By the ’60s and ’70s, Scientology’s membership exploded with the countercultural movement, emphasizing self-knowledge, spiritual fulfilment, a distrust of established medical science and aspirations towards world peace. [So have the good luck to be in the right place at the right moment in history and then hitchhike on the popular trends.] snip Much of Scientology’s recent decline, however, can be attributed to a number of high-profile celebrity defections over the past decade, including by Canadian director Paul Haggis, singer Lisa Marie Presley and actors Leah Remini and Jason Beghe. [Celebrity worship giveth and celebrity worship taketh away!] But the main cause of Scientology’s downfall, said Kent, is the growing influence of the Internet. snip "Historically, most new religions die, and it's fairly clear now that Scientology is on a downward path,” said Kent. [BUT there is a chance the religion will be rediscovered and revived in the remote future, because:] the Church of Scientology began transcribing his [Hubbard's] texts onto stainless steel plates in the 1980s, placing them in titanium capsules in underground vaults. Located in a remote desert location, the vaults are accessible only through a secured tunnel.
You're quite right, but I wouldn't say it's that weird - as long as you view it from the right angle: Hubbards writing - it's content - is irrellevant to it's purpose. It could actually, I think, perhaps even be argued that it would have been even better - done an even better job, been more efficient to it's point and purpose - had he been an even worse writer than he was. Bear with me! What I'm getting at is that the story about Xenu, all the nonsense about us being decendants of clams and fetuses being traumatised if the mother's screaming whille in labor and him being both Jesus and the Buddah and all the rules and regulations and directives and on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and...... All those thousands and thousands of hours of lectures and writings scientologists are made to read and listen to - it's not designed to be informative and of substance; not really. It's true purpose is to maintain in the scientologist, a hypnotic and dissociated state, and to overwhelm their minds, leaving less (or perferably none) room - time and energy - for refletive and critical thinking. It's made to, in short, keep them locked in line to mindlessly following the will of their abuser. (Don't get me wrong - I totally get your way of thinking and what you're saying and I think you get mine too - nothing new under the sun - it's more a question of angle jumping in, than a question of jumping in right, or just jumping right into the bar. ) Cheers and Stay safe and safely apart - Covid, unlike Hubbard's battle wounds, is real
Great overview! Reminded me of a number of things I had forgotten over the years. I also liked that you pointed out some of the historical context, communism, a-bombs, etc. That is something that is missing in a lot of the critiques and histories that are now showing up on line.
Really helpful to review the timeline and sequence of publications, Chris--thanks. Will be looking forward to the series. I've really been anticipating that e-meter series, though!
You did a wonderful job, I am yet to watch anything that you have posted that isn't extremely well worded and thoughtfully conveyed. Again love your channel, your energy, and your delivery. Lots of love 💖 and great big hugs 🤗 from Ohio
L.Ron wasn't the only guy talking crazy back then. By the time I was 16 in 1970, there was a ton of crazy to pick from, and much more on the way. I looked into everything I could ... long story!
Hubbard was a word saladmaster. He was a master of words with nothing scientifically provable to back up his claims. His gullible supporters and followers believed Hubbard was a messiah who would save the world instead of a pulp fiction writer. A messiah is a leader, liberator or savior of a particular group or cause.
I think that the mythology that cult leaders invent is a psychological trap with which to control their victims, and is anything but an honest search for truth and meaning. If a cult leader can get the followers' minds lost in an introspective maze while dangling some kind of supernatural carrot, such as ultimate enlightenment, or purity, or afterlife, etc as the end goal, the victim is so distracted that they won't even notice the abusive demands made on them, such as giving the leader large amounts of money, or labor, or sexual favors, or loving devotion, or whatever sacrifices the leader wants from them. The mythology is tailored precisely so that every abuse is explained away as a gift from the leader, or a necessary step on the "path", or as directly benefitting the victim. It's Orwellian doublethink refined: ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, etc.
Omgoodness I don't know why but it disturbs me on a very very deep level that the column for 4 is labeled as sexual behavior/attitude toward children, I'm only ten min into the video maybe it will be explained, but no matter what I just think it is very telling that those two things are literally linked together in that chart.... Lots of love 💖and great big hugs 🤗 from Ohio
"[A] thetan controls his body and controls the physical universe through electronics..." This ability of the mental / Spirit affecting the physical / flesh through electrical means appears in Scanners, Ghost in the Machine and Twin Peaks. I wonder if Batman would call it nonsense. I wonder if Iron Man would call it nonsense.
I really do wonder if LRH ever came to the realization that the only person he was ever really preaching to was himself or his critic's, the more I have learned and discovered about him it is almost comical just how absolutely clearly you can draw a line from some point in his life and connect it directly to his doctrine, how has so many people been drawn into this movement, it really is so so very sad. My heart goes out to anyone who is trapped in this life style or in any life style that Rob's them of there happiness, identity, and free will
It was never published and is not available anywhere outside of the LRH Archives. One chapter of it was published in one of the Ron Mags (on education) but otherwise it's a goner.
The pre-Dianetics manuscript that made people go crazy and kill themselves? I'm guessing it's like the mystical Mormon golden plates...never to be seen again by any living person.
It is so funny how people are trying so hard to disprove this. That is what makes me keep wanting to learn more. So thanks for keeping me going for sciotoligy. I think you are more crazy.
It seems lrh just tried to keep it going with the next thing knowing he was tapped out of ideas and also scared of losing power and it seems to have got out of his control as he was offering easy answers to the worlds oldest problem in a changing environment where regular people required pat answers to deal eith all the rapid changes and discoveries in the post-industrial space-age rebuild of a war torn society
Chris can you look up a young guy named Jonathan Amaret. I think he has taken a few pages out of Ron Hubbards book and is following in his footsteps to sell his own little version of scientology and i am pretty sure once he has enough people following his "Thought Mechanics" seminars and course he will shift it into a religion/cult and it is good to expose these people early.
He is in the Guiness World book records for being the single person to have most books published. But he is no Hemmingway or Mark Twain. He should have used toilet paper instead of butcher paper to write his stories.
Why no mention of Hubbard's friendship with Jack Parsons (one of Crowley's top disciples) or his membership in the OTO, or the striking parallels between OTO and Scientology (with the most notable difference being that Scientology substitutes "science" for "magick")? Any history of Scientology seems incomplete without that stage. Without OTO, and Hubbard's familiarity with its inner workings, it is hard to imagine that Scientology would have come into being. It's like telling the history of Buddhism while omitting the Buddha's background in Hinduism.
thanks for this series. i don't have to read all them books but can throw shit back at Scientologist . level play field. beat em at crazy with there crazy. I'm fascinated by cults. thanks for sharing your story.
Hi, Chris ! Thanks for the great vids ! Instead of talking long about BS that's not works can you please record 1 video about what worked and stay for you personally and for your friends. Thanks again, you did a truckload of good job !
What is going on with that forehead? Looks like someone Hollyweird would hire to play a supervillian in the movies. I appreciate the information though, you're very forthright and informative. I'd add some info about the techniques used to attract and get people to believe some of the less than sensible aspects of this and other religions and/or cults as well but that's probably in one of your other videos. This is the first of your videos I've seen so far and I'm liking it. Subscribed and thumbs up.
I like the original thought of you can do anything you put your mind to. Your responsible for your actions. If I’m understanding, But that’s about it :)
Was Hubbard a fan of Joseph Campbell? There are heavy gnostic tendencies in your description and Campbell has long been more popular with writers than scholars.
Wish you'd have given a bit more time to "How to live though an executive." Hilarious book. Not as Hilarious as what my mom thought the title was. "How to live through an execution." when she first saw from a distance at the bookstore. You know all that stuff about going down and actually looking at the work being done at your orders as an Executive? Just forget all that nonsense. You need someone to filter out any entheta from being communicated to you. And I think from being communicated between people in the organisation.
I find that people evaluate Scientology teaching and practice (not the institution) disproportionately from only 2 perspectives: true believers and complete skeptics. Each is blind to certain aspects. If instead, you evaluate it from the perspective of, say, transpersonal psychology . . . you locate its teachings and practices in the context of psycho-spiritual practices throughout history. That context and the standards implicit in it . . .give a much more objective perspective on Scientology.
Impartial, more or less, research is is usually done by academic researchers, but there are only so many research dollars to go around, and, if you are going to research some relatively small group whose realistic membership is, at most, in the tens of thousands, exotic little tribes are more fashionable to study, and religions are fairly unfashionable because academia has evolved in a super-secular direction and tends to have a distaste for religious studies. There are many small religious groups, often older than scientology, that receive even less evaluation of a "disinterested" nature than scientology does. Thus, only a real enthusiast is likely to bother looking too closely at scientology.
@@ChrisSheltonMsc- Chris, I believe we need to throw out the old with Xenu. What diminutive David is doing to other Scientologists, religion or not, is a complete miscavige of justice. He make's Hemet look like an ugly, ugly place. OK...he can't be blamed for everything.
A most useful summary to bring everyone up to speed. One tiny cavil, Chris... you're slipping again... "Crowley" rhymes with "holy" not "foully", remember? ;)
Perhaps this will help: They met one eve in a sylvan glade: A wicked old man and a pure young maid. "Where are you going, so meek and holy?" "I'm going to temple, to worship Crowley." "So Crowley is God, then? How do you know?" "Why, it's Captain Fuller who told us so." "And how do you know that Fuller was right?" "What a wicked old man you are! Good night!"
I knew a good driver - he was able to drive a race car very fast and very acurately and never had accidents. He would talk to people and tell them about how fantastic it is to drive a car. Many people got interested - many accidents, many clumsey drivers, many people disgusted about cars and a few racing pilots came out of this experience. When you buy a car - it does not come with the skills to drive it - that's fer-ya babe to pick up. Hubbard was confronted with trying to teach people how to audit a preclear. Not an easy thing to achieve. As to faith -- if you get your auditing -- I mean expertly done auditing -- the results are there for you to get. When you exteriorise for the first time then you know you are a spirit (called a thetan) then it is not faith anymore. You are not asked to have faith to be a Scientologist (or Dianeticist).
I don’t really understand why you do these videos (I find them interesting) but why do you care if someone is a Scientologist - I personally think Islam isn’t a positive or constructive religion but I don’t want to stop people from being Muslims or converting to Islam. Just curious not trying to diminish you or your channel.
I care because Scientology is an abusive, destructive cult that hurts and has even killed people. I can't just sit by and let that happen without saying something, especially when I'm in a position to not just say "something" but actually inform on how and why Scientology is a destructive cult. I have also done the same with other similar groups.
@@ultimadeplete8299 Actually, there is not a difference between religion and cult. Cult may have acquired a pejorative connotation during the last century or two, but, technically, it is just an older word for religion. Originally, Scientology tried to position itself as a psychological science, so one could even argue that Scientology is not a true cult at all, but just a very flawed scientific hypothesis (it's core process or therapy is certainly testable, so it qualifies as a hypothesis, not a revelation, although the group certainly holds some sci-fi-ish teachings that are not testable as well). Presumably people who join Scientology or any faith are searching for metaphysical truth, so full disclosure should help people to discover that truth, or at least help them to avoid going down some dead end paths. "Who cares what people do" sounds rather callous to me. If you were seriously considering the claims of Scientology, which would require a major investment of your life, would you not want the full picture, or as much of it as is knowable, before you made this major life decision?
Absolutely fascinating!! I always learn much from your presentations. No one is doing it like you Chris... so much info, distilled down, but not dumbed down.
The "teaching" of the Thetan is totally a perversion of the Vedantic teaching of Atma, or Jiva Atma to be more exact. The word Atma relating to the sense of self that is constant in a universe of change, and the teaching of "Jiva" relates to the idea that there exists an eternal, individual and separate self.
+P Heresy thanks. That's interesting!
The separate self is a sensation that eventually disintegrates.
Hi Chris, I read "Going Clear" and also a blog that chronicles the early documents of LRH. I saw that LRH had written an article called "Terra Incognita of the Mind" for Explorer Magazine. I have a PDF of it and saw that he originally called "Engrams" by different name. I also read (and heard LRH say in an early lecture) that he got a lot of information from Alfred Korzybski's 1933 book "Science and Sanity". It was then that he moved to publishing his first Dianetics article in Outstanding Science Fiction. The rest was history. Finally, my own background in electronics made me realize that a lot of what LRH used was the nomenclature of electronics, or synonyms of electronic circuit behavior. The whole Dianetics language of "release", "clear", "running" and "tone scales" sounds very much like the language of electronics, which would have been very convincing cultural cache back in the 50s.
And of course, the whole Reactive Mind/Analytical Mind dichotomy is just a repackaging of Freud's Conscious/Unconscious ideas. The notion that some trauma continues to reside in the Unconscious mind was a big Freudian concept, whereby the trauma is "discharged" (released) via what Freud called "talking therapy" (Auditing), where the Analyst listens and only asks questions (Auditor's Code).
Yep. All of this is very true.
"And then he makes it weird!" 😂
Your book "Scientology A to Xenu" is really thorough. You really go deeply into explaining the OT levels. I have the audio book and I'm getting ready for my second listening. I strongly recommend your book. Really important book.
Thank you! Yes, please do share your recommendations around the web!
Bought Dianetics in 1997 from a door to door seller, just to make him go away. Started reading it (didn't finish it), it just didn't make sense. Tried to follow the breakdown on Tony Ortega's webpage, and it still doesn't make sense to me. I'm glad I am not alone in this LOL
What a shame David drove Chris out of Scientology with his lies and ruthless tactics. What a lost asset!
Now David is getting his payback.
That was a stunning video. Totally amazing, my compliments to all of the work that obviously went into this. Thanks for taking the time to break this all down, as someone that has never had anything to do with Scientology, I really appreciated this history! I can't say enough how awesome this was, especially for the outsider looking in.
I dared to chew over the COPIOUS details over at the Underground Bunker, dozens of articles about Dianetics, the Bridge, Jon Atack's info too ... I don't recommend it, but my curiosity is like an ITCH! :)
Having learned years ago to barrier myself from all kinds of hypnosis, and also having listened to many dozens of crazies yammer on and on (they always find me in the crowd!) ... I even listen to LRH speaking at his bizarre recorded sessions.
YES I DARE! :D
He was a madman ... like a fox ...
I believe the Temporal Lobe theory you featured.
Know your opponents strategy to avoid getting tricked and trapped.
I've always found the origins of Scientology interesting. LRH always strikes me as the Ed Wood of science fiction, his talent fell far short of his enthusiasm. Except where Ed Wood was a genuinely sympathetic person, LRH was simply just pathetic, and narcissistic. It's always been really weird to me how HE of all people started one of the biggest cults in the modern world. His writing is so asinine and juvenile "billions and trillions of years ago space ships looking like DC-10s dropped nukes in volcanoes on Teegyack" "the Psychlos conquered Earth in 15 minutes and they're after gold but cave men with fighter jets blew up their home world! Whoosh! pew pew brggghhhh!" I was writing shit like that when I was 10 but he gets hundreds of thousands of followers and a multibillion dollar empire.
I had no idea his writing was that bad. No wonder he never won any award for brilliance - only volume.
Despite the group's official claims, it is probably not "one of the biggest," although that may depend on whom you include in the "cult count." Mormons and JW's are much bigger. From google:
It's hard to say exactly how many people practice Scientology in the U.S. Many critics suggest that there are between 25,000 and 55,000 active Scientologists....Oct 2, 2012
Poll: Most Americans don't think Scientology is a religion - The ...www.washingtonpost.com › on-faith › 2012/10/02
AND: www.folio.ca/once-thriving-church-of-scientology-faces-extinction-says-cult-tracker/
To avoid charges of practising medicine without a licence, Hubbard rebranded his pseudo-therapy as a religion-calling it Scientology-and proved adept at exploiting celebrity culture to promote it. [Think about that the next time you hear celebrities pontificating on the dangers of global warming or advising you on global warming!]
snip
By the ’60s and ’70s, Scientology’s membership exploded with the countercultural movement, emphasizing self-knowledge, spiritual fulfilment, a distrust of established medical science and aspirations towards world peace. [So have the good luck to be in the right place at the right moment in history and then hitchhike on the popular trends.]
snip
Much of Scientology’s recent decline, however, can be attributed to a number of high-profile celebrity defections over the past decade, including by Canadian director Paul Haggis, singer Lisa Marie Presley and actors Leah Remini and Jason Beghe.
[Celebrity worship giveth and celebrity worship taketh away!]
But the main cause of Scientology’s downfall, said Kent, is the growing influence of the Internet.
snip
"Historically, most new religions die, and it's fairly clear now that Scientology is on a downward path,” said Kent.
[BUT there is a chance the religion will be rediscovered and revived in the remote future, because:]
the Church of Scientology began transcribing his [Hubbard's] texts onto stainless steel plates in the 1980s, placing them in titanium capsules in underground vaults. Located in a remote desert location, the vaults are accessible only through a secured tunnel.
You're quite right, but I wouldn't say it's that weird - as long as you view it from the right angle: Hubbards writing - it's content - is irrellevant to it's purpose. It could actually, I think, perhaps even be argued that it would have been even better - done an even better job, been more efficient to it's point and purpose - had he been an even worse writer than he was.
Bear with me!
What I'm getting at is that the story about Xenu, all the nonsense about us being decendants of clams and fetuses being traumatised if the mother's screaming whille in labor and him being both Jesus and the Buddah and all the rules and regulations and directives and on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and......
All those thousands and thousands of hours of lectures and writings scientologists are made to read and listen to - it's not designed to be informative and of substance; not really. It's true purpose is to maintain in the scientologist, a hypnotic and dissociated state, and to overwhelm their minds, leaving less (or perferably none) room - time and energy - for refletive and critical thinking. It's made to, in short, keep them locked in line to mindlessly following the will of their abuser.
(Don't get me wrong - I totally get your way of thinking and what you're saying and I think you get mine too - nothing new under the sun - it's more a question of angle jumping in, than a question of jumping in right, or just jumping right into the bar. )
Cheers and Stay safe and safely apart - Covid, unlike Hubbard's battle wounds, is real
Great overview! Reminded me of a number of things I had forgotten over the years. I also liked that you pointed out some of the historical context, communism, a-bombs, etc. That is something that is missing in a lot of the critiques and histories that are now showing up on line.
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Really helpful to review the timeline and sequence of publications, Chris--thanks. Will be looking forward to the series. I've really been anticipating that e-meter series, though!
You did a wonderful job, I am yet to watch anything that you have posted that isn't extremely well worded and thoughtfully conveyed. Again love your channel, your energy, and your delivery. Lots of love 💖 and great big hugs 🤗 from Ohio
Thank you!
Nice job, Chris!
At one time I was fascinated by the book DMSMH. I think I read it five time in the seventies and eighties.
L.Ron wasn't the only guy talking crazy back then. By the time I was 16 in 1970, there was a ton of crazy to pick from, and much more on the way.
I looked into everything I could ... long story!
Let me guess, you looked into Eckanar among all of the other crazy stuff?
Hubbard was a word saladmaster.
He was a master of words with nothing scientifically provable to back up his claims.
His gullible supporters and followers believed Hubbard was a messiah who would save the world instead of a pulp fiction writer.
A messiah is a leader, liberator or savior of a particular group or cause.
I think that the mythology that cult leaders invent is a psychological trap with which to control their victims, and is anything but an honest search for truth and meaning.
If a cult leader can get the followers' minds lost in an introspective maze while dangling some kind of supernatural carrot, such as ultimate enlightenment, or purity, or afterlife, etc as the end goal, the victim is so distracted that they won't even notice the abusive demands made on them, such as giving the leader large amounts of money, or labor, or sexual favors, or loving devotion, or whatever sacrifices the leader wants from them.
The mythology is tailored precisely so that every abuse is explained away as a gift from the leader, or a necessary step on the "path", or as directly benefitting the victim. It's Orwellian doublethink refined: ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, etc.
Omgoodness I don't know why but it disturbs me on a very very deep level that the column for 4 is labeled as sexual behavior/attitude toward children, I'm only ten min into the video maybe it will be explained, but no matter what I just think it is very telling that those two things are literally linked together in that chart.... Lots of love 💖and great big hugs 🤗 from Ohio
alot of the film The Master's dialogue came not only straight from L Ron's bulletins, but also many from Mary Sue's as well.
This is all so interesting!!
"[A] thetan controls his body and controls the physical universe through electronics..." This ability of the mental / Spirit affecting the physical / flesh through electrical means appears in Scanners, Ghost in the Machine and Twin Peaks. I wonder if Batman would call it nonsense. I wonder if Iron Man would call it nonsense.
Your work is very important and very comforting for victims of the cult. Your delivery is goodnatured and humane. Keep it up! And bless you.
+108vasudeva thank you!
I really do wonder if LRH ever came to the realization that the only person he was ever really preaching to was himself or his critic's, the more I have learned and discovered about him it is almost comical just how absolutely clearly you can draw a line from some point in his life and connect it directly to his doctrine, how has so many people been drawn into this movement, it really is so so very sad. My heart goes out to anyone who is trapped in this life style or in any life style that Rob's them of there happiness, identity, and free will
Great synopsis. Thank you.
I live in Wichita Kansas and didn't know Hubbard came here back then. More proof he and Scientology isn't as important as he thought
This is a masterful rendition of how and what Scientology is and does.
Thought you might find this funny: Mest in Dutch means manure... I don't think it is a coincidence.. ;)
It is interesting that Hubbard defined Scientology as the science of certainty,because science can be defined as disciplined uncertainty.
abram galler I don't agree with your definition of science. Its not even close to being supportable!
You are trolling.
I don 't think you can define science as disciplined uncertainty.
Didn't Hubbard later state that he had invented the e meter instead of Matheson?
Chris, what about Excalibur?
It was never published and is not available anywhere outside of the LRH Archives. One chapter of it was published in one of the Ron Mags (on education) but otherwise it's a goner.
The pre-Dianetics manuscript that made people go crazy and kill themselves? I'm guessing it's like the mystical Mormon golden plates...never to be seen again by any living person.
I'll be watching!
Really appreciated this aspect you keep a very informative and efficient energy which I found insightful as someone just wanting facts
It is so funny how people are trying so hard to disprove this. That is what makes me keep wanting to learn more. So thanks for keeping me going for sciotoligy. I think you are more crazy.
They're not trying to disprove it. They have disproved it.
It seems lrh just tried to keep it going with the next thing knowing he was tapped out of ideas and also scared of losing power and it seems to have got out of his control as he was offering easy answers to the worlds oldest problem in a changing environment where regular people required pat answers to deal eith all the rapid changes and discoveries in the post-industrial space-age rebuild of a war torn society
Great work Chris, very helpful info.
Excellent presentation!!
Excellent vid; very interesting and informative..
I really enjoyed that thanks Chris!
Theta vs Mest. But isn't theta a consciousness, which requires a brain, which is made of matter? Doesn't theta require/proceed from mest, then?
No. Theta exists independent of MEST. It's not consciousness. It's life energy.
Chris can you look up a young guy named Jonathan Amaret. I think he has taken a few pages out of Ron Hubbards book and is following in his footsteps to sell his own little version of scientology and i am pretty sure once he has enough people following his "Thought Mechanics" seminars and course he will shift it into a religion/cult and it is good to expose these people early.
If you see children in Scientology during school, call Family Services and video the Scientologists violating laws!
He is in the Guiness World book records for being the single person to have most books published.
But he is no Hemmingway or Mark Twain. He should have used toilet paper instead of butcher paper to write his stories.
Well I hope you know the difference between new paper and toilet paper. The former is a lesser pleasure. ;-)
If LRH had been using toilet paper to write his sci-fi crap then my ass would have laughed itself off of my body...
Why no mention of Hubbard's friendship with Jack Parsons (one of Crowley's top disciples) or his membership in the OTO, or the striking parallels between OTO and Scientology (with the most notable difference being that Scientology substitutes "science" for "magick")? Any history of Scientology seems incomplete without that stage. Without OTO, and Hubbard's familiarity with its inner workings, it is hard to imagine that Scientology would have come into being. It's like telling the history of Buddhism while omitting the Buddha's background in Hinduism.
Maybe check out the podcast I did on this just a couple of weeks ago. Take a few minutes to look through the library here. There's a lot here for you.
thanks for this series. i don't have to read all them books but can throw shit back at Scientologist . level play field. beat em at crazy with there crazy. I'm fascinated by cults. thanks for sharing your story.
the saddest thing about Scientology is that its so perversely entertaining/educational towardd the history of the human condition on this rock...
Thanks for the explanation of the book and its history. Of course there's a history illustration of his life and how desperately he wanted to be rich.
Hi, Chris ! Thanks for the great vids ! Instead of talking long about BS that's not works can you please record 1 video about what worked and stay for you personally and for your friends. Thanks again, you did a truckload of good job !
What is going on with that forehead? Looks like someone Hollyweird would hire to play a supervillian in the movies.
I appreciate the information though, you're very forthright and informative.
I'd add some info about the techniques used to attract and get people to believe some of the less than sensible aspects of this and other religions and/or cults as well but that's probably in one of your other videos. This is the first of your videos I've seen so far and I'm liking it. Subscribed and thumbs up.
I like the original thought of you can do anything you put your mind to. Your responsible for your actions. If I’m understanding, But that’s about it :)
If he has just kept it a School?!! OmG unfortunately he made it a Religion!
So sad for him.
Was Hubbard a fan of Joseph Campbell? There are heavy gnostic tendencies in your description and Campbell has long been more popular with writers than scholars.
I think Ron was a fab of drinking himself sober, lol.
Would baddest ass be "worst ass"
Wish you'd have given a bit more time to "How to live though an executive." Hilarious book. Not as Hilarious as what my mom thought the title was. "How to live through an execution." when she first saw from a distance at the bookstore. You know all that stuff about going down and actually looking at the work being done at your orders as an Executive? Just forget all that nonsense. You need someone to filter out any entheta from being communicated to you. And I think from being communicated between people in the organisation.
Yeah no that’s a great video!
Glad you think so!
All About Radiation by a nuclear physicist and a doctor. LOL. No names on the front cover.
I find that people evaluate Scientology teaching and practice (not the institution) disproportionately from only 2 perspectives: true believers and complete skeptics. Each is blind to certain aspects. If instead, you evaluate it from the perspective of, say, transpersonal psychology . . . you locate its teachings and practices in the context of psycho-spiritual practices throughout history. That context and the standards implicit in it . . .give a much more objective perspective on Scientology.
Impartial, more or less, research is is usually done by academic researchers, but there are only so many research dollars to go around, and, if you are going to research some relatively small group whose realistic membership is, at most, in the tens of thousands, exotic little tribes are more fashionable to study, and religions are fairly unfashionable because academia has evolved in a super-secular direction and tends to have a distaste for religious studies. There are many small religious groups, often older than scientology, that receive even less evaluation of a "disinterested" nature than scientology does. Thus, only a real enthusiast is likely to bother looking too closely at scientology.
Which was "next week's" cult that inspired this break down?
WHAT ABOUT DAVID MISCARRIAGE?
WHAT ABOUT DAVID MISCARRIAGE?
What about him?
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Chris, I believe we need to throw out the old with Xenu. What diminutive David is doing to other Scientologists, religion or not, is a complete miscavige of justice.
He make's Hemet look like an ugly, ugly place. OK...he can't be blamed for everything.
A most useful summary to bring everyone up to speed. One tiny cavil, Chris... you're slipping again... "Crowley" rhymes with "holy" not "foully", remember? ;)
Arggh!!! I'm always trying to remember that!
Perhaps this will help:
They met one eve in a sylvan glade:
A wicked old man and a pure young maid.
"Where are you going, so meek and holy?"
"I'm going to temple, to worship Crowley."
"So Crowley is God, then? How do you know?"
"Why, it's Captain Fuller who told us so."
"And how do you know that Fuller was right?"
"What a wicked old man you are! Good night!"
I always heard it as rhyming with "growley".Nobody in America says it to rhyme with "holy".
bill ballard The English were speaking English before Americans so there’s that to take into account. 😂
Exact same thing now with JK Rowling ;)
in my opinion , you still like something about scientology ..
I do love your Iron man wallpaper!
It seems like half of scientologists are 1.1 lol this is a 4 year old video I like how you kept your format the same.
I knew a good driver - he was able to drive a race car very fast and very acurately and never had accidents.
He would talk to people and tell them about how fantastic it is to drive a car.
Many people got interested - many accidents, many clumsey drivers, many people disgusted about cars and a few racing pilots came out of this experience.
When you buy a car - it does not come with the skills to drive it - that's fer-ya babe to pick up.
Hubbard was confronted with trying to teach people how to audit a preclear.
Not an easy thing to achieve.
As to faith -- if you get your auditing -- I mean expertly done auditing -- the results are there for you to get.
When you exteriorise for the first time then you know you are a spirit (called a thetan) then it is not faith anymore.
You are not asked to have faith to be a Scientologist (or Dianeticist).
Hi Chris, if you're not into heroclix, you should be. I don't sell clix. I just love it and am responding to your paraphernalia.
I’m interested in the real drills that actually help people - any resources fir this ? Thank you
I don’t really understand why you do these videos (I find them interesting) but why do you care if someone is a Scientologist - I personally think Islam isn’t a positive or constructive religion but I don’t want to stop people from being Muslims or converting to Islam.
Just curious not trying to diminish you or your channel.
I care because Scientology is an abusive, destructive cult that hurts and has even killed people. I can't just sit by and let that happen without saying something, especially when I'm in a position to not just say "something" but actually inform on how and why Scientology is a destructive cult. I have also done the same with other similar groups.
There is a difference between a religion and a cult. Scientology is a cult.
@@ultimadeplete8299 Actually, there is not a difference between religion and cult. Cult may have acquired a pejorative connotation during the last century or two, but, technically, it is just an older word for religion. Originally, Scientology tried to position itself as a psychological science, so one could even argue that Scientology is not a true cult at all, but just a very flawed scientific hypothesis (it's core process or therapy is certainly testable, so it qualifies as a hypothesis, not a revelation, although the group certainly holds some sci-fi-ish teachings that are not testable as well). Presumably people who join Scientology or any faith are searching for metaphysical truth, so full disclosure should help people to discover that truth, or at least help them to avoid going down some dead end paths. "Who cares what people do" sounds rather callous to me. If you were seriously considering the claims of Scientology, which would require a major investment of your life, would you not want the full picture, or as much of it as is knowable, before you made this major life decision?
I am so sick and tired of seeing your videos RUclips is forcing these videos down my throat