Learning How to Combat Lithium-Ion Battery Fires: What You Need to Know
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
- A fire from a lithium-ion battery caused a plane to make an emergency landing, and firefighters are calling for more training for these types of fires. NBC10’s Lucy Bustamante shows us how teams are studying these fires to help keep you safe.
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According to this story, apparently "how to combat such fires" is to run away as fast as you can...
main stream media for ya. they really need to be held accountable for wasting peoples time.
This video and the title did not tell shit You literally just told scenarios that happened. Not how to control the fire or what to do.
If a fire starts with a lithium Ion battery there is no putting it out. The lithium makes its own oxygen in the fire so you can’t smother it. Fire departments put water on to keep it from spreading to something else until it burns itself out. There is new battery technology that doesn’t do this. Tesla is switching over to it. It still uses Lithium too my understanding. LFP battery’s Lithium Iron phosphate. There is something about the lithium ion battery that causes this.
You are correct. The usual media alarmist pitch. 'If it bleeds, it leads' mentality. There is a risk with these batteries, but this video did not help.
I fucking know right, I'm recovering batteries from those stupid disposable vapes and I'm trying to educate myself on what to do if things go south. this video is useless and is just scare-mongering. looking past the scare-mongering, you can kinda see a "Do not overcharge", but it's not made very clear. especially not clear what overcharging is or how it happens. in fact I'll copy paste what I've written here into the comments
What do you think does it take to battle a volcano?😁
What I took away from it is I do not need any device that badly. We have our laptops and our phones and that's it. No weed whackers or leaf blowers or scooters or ebikes. I dont need them that bad. Although I just realized we also have a popular vacuum that is powered by one and we leave it charged in all the time. That's going to change.
I had a lithium battery that I purchased for a cordless vacuum on Amazon explode and catch fire. When I attempted to warn others, Amazon claimed that I was violating its "community" policies and removed my post.
wow that is pathetic!
That's how deep their agenda goes. Everyone is expendable, except their flawed virtue signaling about a made-up climate issue.
Money over customer safety
Nice!
You should report it to the FTC.... yes, the federal trades commission.
Electric bicycle blew up two days on a Canadian (city of Toronto) subway train. Thankfully it was at a stop so people could get out. If that subway car was in transit with rush hour commuters, there would have been many fatalities. People need to know that these products can be deadly.
This is why bikes and scooters are banned in subway during commuting hours.😁
@@crazyedo9979 Not in Alberta, or Quebec. You see people with there bikes and scooters all the time..
Yes ,the cheap & low quality ones. 😮
In what scenario does any consumer have control over the amount of charging applied to the battery?
The only way a lithium battery can be overcharged is if the charging control electronics are cheaply made or faulty.
You can buy voltage controls for chargers... I have several and even one for my car so charging my Ebike and Eskate doesn't do this.
This does remind me I probably wanna bring that to work when I charge there also though...
Or buying one from ill reputable companies china has by the dozens to rake in profits.
It's not just chargers. There's been many reports of batteries just exploding without being charged. Scary when it happens to your phone in your pocket.
i.e. the first wave of uniscooters/hoverboards, Samsung cell phones a few years back, etc.
This doesn't happen to vehicles very often, but with other electronics is not unusual having people confuse chargers or just dont understand that because something has USB-c port for example, does not mean it can take as much current as your 60w fast charging phone. Really a lot of people don't know that phone chargers are rated differently, to them if the whole and the plug fit, it should work.
@@arturodelarosa4394 It should be up to the battery charging electronics to limit charging current no matter you much the charger can supply.
Womam pushes child out the way to save herself. What a kind human .
I saw that. Poor kid!
0:07 but isn't overcharging also faulty design cus isn't bms supposed to stop the charging when battery has reached the correct voltage?
ig it would be faulty design as well yeah, especially with larger batteries like in scooters/vehicles any competent manufacturer would have multiple failsafes in place to measure the batteries health and would disallow any charging if something's up.
To make this video they had to somehow bypass the BMS to overcharge severely enough to start a fire
@@aaronartale yeah that's kinda what I thought.
@@aaronartale also I think they would also need to use wrong charger cus chargers usually also limit the voltage.
@nebulous962 Fireman said, they disconnected the safety system.
blessings for all affected by these fires shown here
Countless old phones and other devices are sitting inside countless drawers around the world waiting to bloat.
FYI -
Although you can put out the resulting fire, you can NOT put out the burning battery [chemical reaction producing the heat and fire] which is approximately 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.
0:18 mother of the year, everyone!
Right? She yanks her arm away from that child faster than you can say sociopath.
Wow I really learned how to battle li-ion battery fires watching this video. Not.
Also don’t leave your phone in a hot car or by cheap batteries
Different batteries need to be developed.
We had one explode last night. Luckily outdoors and no one hurt
They burned a house to show that batteries really can catch on fire. Homeless people are in tears
Removed the safety protector well yeah.
The best thing to do is kiss your house goodbye and get the heck out of there.
did that mom in the CCTV at 00:17 just push aside her child, ready to sacrifice it if necessary, to get away from the fire herself? xD
YUP I just type the same comment lol.
Where the hell was the "How to combat"?
True. The only "how to combat" is buy certified batteries.
It's more like, "lithium fires, what to expect."
Run the second you detect smoke. There is no fighting these kinds of fires.
I wish someone could figure out how to resolve this problem
I remember when "rare risks" that were catastrophic for those unlucky few caused entire products and technologies to be recalled or no longer invested in. Seems like the corporate-politicians have decided to bull their way through with this technology. I for one will not buy any new tool or device that is powered by one except for two things: my current smart phone and laptop and that's only because I became aware of the risk after I bought them five or six years ago and have become dependent upon them (without any suitable alternative). Thanks corporations and politicians.
Safe and effective......
Where have we heard that before ?
It's relative, but yeah, they are, i guess compared with gas powered vehicles is what they mean. Stats say EVs catch fire 60x less often than gas powered equivalents. Is that "safe", I would say so, or at least, "safe enough" that is not worth worrying about it.
What kind of fire extinguisher do you need once the fire has started ?
Carbon Dioxide CO2. But if the fire it is too intense....it might become too late to stop it.
Lithium-Ion fires become intense quickly.
They cannot be extinguished. Even if you somehow manage to extinguish a lithium battery fire, all you accomplish is turning it into a ticking time bomb. For small battery fires, focus on fireproofing and extinguishing any fires that propagate from the battery - don't use water (lithium reacts violently to water) and don't try to extinguish the battery itself. For medium battery fires, evacuate immediately and call the fire department. Ideally, you should never bring a lithium battery powered device into your home that's any bigger than a laptop. Electric scooters, bikes, etc. should only be charged outdoors, away from any flammables.
In the end, the only way to extinguish a lithium battery fire is to simply let it burn itself out. This is part of what make large lithium batteries so dangerous.
Although you can put out the resulting fire, you can NOT put out the burning battery [chemical reaction producing the heat and fire] which is approximately 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Ones they have in plane hangars that release foam everywhere. House will be a total loss though.
Sorry they don't make one that big.😊
Never, ever charge or park an ev inside a garage if the garage is attached to a living space.
smiles in Lithium Iron Phosphate
exactly, I only want to buy EVs with LFP batteries, not only safer but also longer lifespan and more eco friendly.
Static battery banks would be MUCH safer if they used ( tried - n - tested ) Nickel - Iron batteries that use a Potassium Hydroxide electrolyte .... The house demonstration should have used old smelly furniture , from some ( student's ? ) building ( what a WASTE of new stock ! ! ) ... NEVER charge any Lithium cell more than 4.2 Volts ! ( do NOT connect direct to 5 Volt USB outlet ! ) .. Vape batteries make a good substitute for devices using 2 or 3 ( leaky ! ) alkaline batteries .. DAVE™🛑
What is wrong with that adult who ran out and didn't immediately yank the child with them??
I thought about that but they also cleared a path for the child to escape.
Yanking a child is abuse. A child lighting on fire is just an accident.
@@trueelectsupremea.m.mosttr4786 you are retarded
it happened in like a fraction of a second, they didn't have time to even consider that
from plant pranks I've seen on youtube, majority of parents run away leaving the baby stroller behind, so it's a natural reaction to sudden unexpected fear it seems.
All batteries must be stored in fireproof casing with an emergency exit path. This is a no brainer if safety is at issue. 0:26
If we don't do this for gas powered cars or motorcycles, and we know those catch fire 60x more often than EVs then why would we go to such lengths. I suspect the risk is more than acceptable, since we have been ignoring it for a century.
Overcharging the batteries is faulty design. This cause of fires is well known and properly designed and quality manufactured battery management systems prevent that from happening. Alas, that is seldom the case, especially on cheaper E-vehicles.
So, how does this video answer the title question “How to Combat Lithium-Ion Battery Fire” ? ? ?
Is this the same as Wheelchairs...Good Lord! Some folks charge those sitting in Walmart!
It's called Thermal Runaway.
Lol, I bet awareness will save your house from burning down.
Much safer battery tech is needed.
Better check your insurance policy before you buy one of those battery powered cars or scooters .
That is why I want a XXL fire extinguisher
That’s not gonna save you
Here's how you combat lithium-ion battery fires... You insist on manufacturers using sodium ion batteries in all EVs past a certain point. And you don't buy EVs with lithium ion batteries in them anymore. And you make sure sodium ion batteries aren't swept to the side under the rug by lithium ion battery commodities investment shills. That's how you combat lithium ion battery fires. Any questions?
The energy density of sodium ion batteries are too low for practical EV use, but are a great solution for grid-scale and home energy storage. Lithium Iron Phosphate (aka LiFePO4 or LFP) batteries are great for EVs and other personal mobility devices as they are significantly less likely to go up in flames. It's not impossible, but it's very difficult to get them to do the same thing when improperly charging them or puncturing them.
The consumer is not responsible for a manufacturing malfunction im suprised theres not more lawsuits shutting thease batteries down ,there far from profected they need to fix thease before selling this is not a fixed issue ,
I love how people talk about EVs catching fire with words like "sounding the alarm" and XXX amount of fires, like gasoline is not a flammable material and does not explode in a ball of fire. Is just funny how the media got hooked up on EV fires even though the statistics clearly show gas vehicles catch fire 60x more often than EVs, and it makes absolute sense to anyone that has ever put a match to gasoline. But somehow it became a thing that the media says.
But you usually don't keep gas inside your house!
@@bardnightingale I'm guessing you mean gasoline. It really depends where. In many parts of the world where parking garages are not usual a lot of people put scooters indoors, not to mention in many suburban places garages are actually indoor. like indoor enough that if the garage catches on fire it will spread to the rest of the house. So yeah people keep gasoline indoors all the time, not to mention most homes run natural gas or propane literally into the house. My point is we take these risks and have been for a while. by comparison EVs are much more stable and safe than either natural gas or gasoline, but only EVs on fire make headlines.
I'm recovering batteries from those stupid disposable vapes and I'm trying to educate myself on what to do if things go south. this video is useless and is just scare-mongering. looking past the scare-mongering, you can kinda see a "Do not overcharge", but it's not made very clear. especially not clear what overcharging is or how it happens.
I SAW NOTHING ABOUT COMBATING THE FIRE
Ditch electronic lithium. Plain and simple.
The best way to combat these fires is to not buy an electric bike or car.
You're supposed to use sodium ion batteries not lithium for storage facilities
They're only just coming to market, but I'm sure they will quickly take the lead for grid-level and home-level energy storage due to both reduced cost and increased safety.
yeah this is nuts
A 2 gallon bucket of sand.
Phone battery fires can be smothered this way.
That won't put out the fire, but it might help prevent it from spreading. Even if you think you put the fire out, don't try to handle the remains. It can and will reignite at any time if there's still unburnt lithium. Let the fire department safely dispose of it.
How many gallons of sand would I need to dunk my e-bike in?
@@shadowshatto no difference. due to its own oxygen that continue to burn until it depletes.
Lithium batteries are not safe to recharge; despite what the manufacturers say.
Guarantee you're using Lithium battery though. Phone, computer. Etc.
It is safe just like a knife can be safe. Don't be dumb, educate populace of proper practice, and install safety measures.
@@morsumbra9692
You're the dumb one (and you sound it). If you want to be a fool, then that's your choice; go ahead.
@@Baker_FPV
You make me laugh, too!
Wtffffffffffffff 😮😮😮😮😮
"Failures are rare"
Nothing to see here.
They are, statistically. Something like 60 times more rare than it is for gas powered vehicles, so yeah i would say that qualifies as rare. I think for cars the number is something like 25 fires for every 100,000 sales or something like that. I would say that qualifies as rare. They didn't say "there are NO failures."
Green new deal????
Stop using NMC batteries asap.
Switch to LFP cells, which is the same chemistry that Tesla uses.
Replying @12villages:
**TESLAS ALSO BURN DOWN, **ASSHATT!!**
let the fire fighters speak! I hate how the woman is speaking over them.
I’ll pass
Play you know what soon the electric cars that the same problem
Get a gas moped .
Stay away from Chinese battery
Chinese anything to be safe.
Tesla uses China made batteries 😂
But Tesla uses LFP batteries which smoke under a full short circuit. These ebikes use NMC batteries which tend to burn like gun powder
Stay away from all batteries 💀
Here are steps you can take to be safer:
Step 1: throw away battery powered electric scooters, bikes, and cars.
Step 2: purchase replacements with internal combustion gasoline or diesel.
Step 3: live peacefully knowing proven technology like gas or diesel with always alway be safer. It has been used for over 100 years it’s proven and it works. Electric technology does not work and never will work. It’s just a fad. Like “ oh look at me I have an electric car I’m being so green I’m high on the social ladder”
WHat about laptops and phones.
@@deidrabrey4043 didn’t have them 40 years ago we got by just fine.
I hope that little child wasn't burnt.😢
Stop buying Chinese cheap crap. I use only Bosch Ebikes with no problems.
Fake - nothing about how to combat such a fire.
Lithium batteries are deadly hazards and should be completely banned.
Bruh! gas powered vehicles have been catching fire at a rate 60x bigger than EVs do for a century. And we didn't ban gasoline. Get out of here with your uninformed opinions.
I think a lot of fires are started because people are building their own batteries, or they are DIY'ing things that they shouldn touch.
DOINT. BY THE. SHIT