Shadowheart is really not as zealous as Laezel, if you just let her do her thing, she somehow changes her entire world view in act 2 in two seconds because one girl tells her something we already knew in act 1... And she already doubts by the beginning of act 1, they really did a bad job indoctrinating her.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me that's kinda what happens when she has the barest memories of her indoctrination and the fact that spending time around anyone who isn't a sharran would inevitably have her ask questions.
Happens whenever you're controlling them for a conversation, not just using them as an origin. Found that out on my first playthrough in Shar's Temple. Shadowheart got seperated from the party when Shar's conversation to her triggered, so after trying to collect he, I suddenly get put in her silent shoes and got quite the spoiler about Shar's plans by being in the recipients shoes. xD
DM: WOW WOW WOW what are you doing!? i said we don't do pvp in this table. Lae'zel's player: lol its what my character would do, i stab her. DM: you explode, now get out of my table.
Horrible DMing right there. EDIT: I have come back to find that most people seem to think otherwise. XD EDIT 2: Fuck's sake guys, leave me the hell alone. I just said this because to me it seemed the DM in OP's joke could've handled a "problem player" better. This doesn't give ANYONE the right to dm me personally over this. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.
@@azazelblackfire816 Right, the DM needs to bend over backwards and backpedal on an established rule just to appease one player. Regarded and artistic.
@@azazelblackfire816If there's ONE rule that applies to EVERY table out there, ONE rule that's common knowledge, it's DON'T FUCK with the DM. Trying to work around rules & established patterns, very welcomed, outright violating said rules, serves you right getting booted from the table!
Cleric: dont play with the dangerous magic item Fighter: ima stab you and play with it Fighter: explodes Party: wow the cleric is such a fearsome warrior
@@papacharlie-niner148 My current run is him. It's kind of sad seeing him silent and there was one very important scene concerning him in act 2 that was somehow "removed". Karlach's is better. She has internal monologues. Voiced even.
Didn't this happen while everyone was asleep? Nobody would know the box blew her up, and even if Shart tried to tell somebody, I doubt they'd believe that the box just HAPPENED to suddenly blow somebody up.
If you don't just let her stab you, Shadowheart can actually kill Lae herself. They probably didn't want to do two sets of reactions when the outcome is ostensibly the same from the party's perspective.
Well, do you call attacking someone in their sleep a duel? It's wrong of Shart to do it to Lae'zel (when don't play as Shart) as much as it's wrong for Lae'zel. Lae'zel wanted to bring artifact back to her kin, so Emperor stopped her, simple as that.
@@MatriarchatorHow is it wrong of Shart to do it? In a non origin run, Lae'zel is the one who instigates and promises a duel to the death. Shart would've stood no chance against a githyanki warrior, so she falls back on her training and makes the first move before lae'zel is ready. It's just simple survival.
@@CelestialDraconisWell it's wrong morally, but I agree. If you account only for survival, then Shart is completely right. That's one of the reason why I dislike Lae'zel. A lot of her choices bring unnecessary danger for the rest group (like even with character knowledge, creche is an obvious trap that game doesn't let you call that).
@@MatriarchatorI think they mean that they are acting like Shadowheart won a fight, but it was the prism that did it tho. Actually a lot of these choices could be avoided if Shadowheart was either better at hiding it or better at trusting her allies. A player who can't earn Lae'zel's trust as you play as Shadowheart has failed.
@@SLYKMAaaand Shart would care about Lae'zel's approval because? Fine, it was not Shart's win. What does it matter? Toad messed around and found out. I doesn't matter how but any event that can get Lae'zel killed is her own fault (be it "duel" with Shart, meeting Gith patrol or NOT GAINING peoples' trust when she's in cage). So yeah, I don't see a point.
Those are standard dialogs if you let Shadowheart kill Lae’zel. I’ve never played her origin and I’ve seen these companion reactions before when I let SH kill Lae’zel once. Her blowing up though was new on me.
I like all the companions, but watching them turn into bits and pieces will always be funny to me Maybe its my tf2 brain linking it with the explode keybind people use lol
Damn, and here I thought the Emperor didn't care who carried the Prism as long as it served his purposes. But he clearly grew attached to Shadowheart. Or just felt insulted that Lae'zel unwittingly questioned his choice of Prism-bearer.
Lae'zel is a Githyanki and the Emperor fears them, for they might come to kill him and the source of his power and safety, Orpheus. I think he killed Lae'zel to save himself, because she would've brought the Prism to Vlaakith.
Yeah, at this point in time Lae'zel is still fully loyal to Vlaakith and so the Emperor feared she might simply turn the Prism over to Voss or whoever else might be looking for it.
But that +STR is a +17 to all strength rolls, not to mention she technically has advantage due to the surprise attack. And that’s not counting if she has a enchanted dagger or not depending on what’s equipped here lol
@@LakeLakH you don't really get any beefs with Shadowheart as Lae'zel, but i guess i was playing it the way to not have any conflicts with her and even almost got to romance her. It makes sense tho since Lae'zel is instigator mostly, but i guess it could be other way if you don't have good relationships and do a lot of long rests.
@@broadwaystar2bWell, Withers limits himself to resurrecting only members of the party after all. The moment one of them turns on another & ends up dead, they're considered booted from the party & thus, illegible for the benefit of getting resurrected.
Lae'zel cannot be brough back by Withers after she turns on a party member, as she is no longer a party member, and Withers can only bring back a party member. Don't spread misinformation.
From the Guardian's perspective, a murderously angry Lae'zel would be just another Githyanki for them to avoid at all costs. She was probably the party member it was most suspicious of early on.
@Myzelfa the only reason it protects all of them is because of the tav. That's why origin playthorughs feel weird. The rest of the group has too much side baggage to be trustworthy or helpful. Tav has none.
@@colinnixon7739 ? that doesn't make any sense for a dark urge playthrough, though. unless you're including them as an origin (which i guess they are) i mean my tav was roleplayed as a CE-leaning warlock whose patron was a lich and would do anything for a smidgen more personal power so not all tavs are free from baggage either
The move is to use Withers to respecc her. Even split on dex and str is terrible. I +17 her dex and give her the intellect circlet from the Ogre trio in Act 1. Pretty strong.
I never knew this could happen! In a few of my non-origin playthroughs, Lae'zel just murders Shadowheart after Shart attacks while Laezel is sleeping. They roll initiative and Shart never stands a chance.
I take it as a sign that the Emperor was forced to intervene. Everyone else was still asleep and Shadowheart was all that was left to protect it. Lae'zel could very well take the prism back to their queen and thus the Emperor stopped her. Giving back the prism. When the Kith'rak takes it; the Emperor is in a bad situation. Forcing the artifact to the one it's bound to. He won't let those he hadn't bound the artifact to have it. Exploding the inquisitor is not a life or death situation.
@@Polomance862 and I think the blowing-up might be a thing he can only do to people that have a tadpole in their head. Like, it's doing something with the shielding that causes the modified instantaneous ceremorphosis to happen, but so unstably that the person just blows up instead.
I kinda think it's the Emperor giving Tav or any origin character a chance to leave without aggravating the Gith since they know how dangerous they can be. Just like how they destroy the tadpole Jaheira carries to gain her trust for the character, which probably hurt since it could've been useful
Lae'Zel keep thinking and yapping she is like super overpowered strong god. Meanwhile she is most pathetic of them all: 1. Get captured by Ilithids, 2. Get trapped by 2 random thieflings in act 1 3. Shadowhearth having knife on her neck 4. Get captured by Orin 5. Explode into pieces 6. Get shitted on by Voss at the bridge and probably many more to discover
Everyone got captured by Illithids. In this scene you see Lae can also put a knife to SH's neck. Everyone except protag can be captured by Orin. I dunno... Sounds to me like half your list is just reciting things that aren't unique to her.
Lae zael wanting to know of the origin of a an Githyanki artefact and Shadowheart not wanting to answer any of her question made shadowheart look extremely guilty to the point it was obvious she stole it. soooo it was pretty much a "Personal matter" that the two of them had to resolve and nothing to do with betrayal.
They slept during this fight. And for those saying somehow it is SH's fault for being attacked just because she didn't want to share information about something Lae'zel knows nothing about to begin with is pretty weird...
These are the same reactions to Lae'zel dying during this fight regardless of how she dies, my Tav ended up killing her and they were all the same lines.
Kinda weird they act like Shadowheart killed Lae'zel herself when it was the artifact atomizing her. I guess they didn't have time to do unique dialogue for that particular circumstance.
Dunno what I find funnier. That githyanki warrior can be elbowed easily by restrained enemy while holding dagger to their heart. That shadowheart ability to dodge or block a dagger stab is practically non-existent. Or that the character I never liked has a cutscene where they explode for being an asshole.
This is amazing, so if you have a Tav does it still happen? Rather means that Shadowheart is really the second MC officially. Makes sense she has a big arc and Karlach joke but then kindness 😂
No there's a bunch if origin interactions that only happen if you play as the origin and not having them as a companion. Even some alternate paths in main quests and extra side characters like gales cat
When you play as Tav you find them arguing, Lae'zel agrees to solve the problem with honor with a morning fight, but then you wake up middle of the night with Shart trying to kill Lae'zel when everybody sleeps She even says to Lae'zel "i will just tell them you were changing into a mind flayer" You can talk them both down, choose to attack one, do nothing, Lae'zel will hit Shart and then theres a fight One of them will die if you dont talk them both down What annoys me is that you literally can't call shadowheart out on her shit She attacked one of your companions IN THEIR SLEEP even though she agreed to solve it honourably, like a shady bitch she is. It wasnt even about the prism protecting all of you, she just wants to take it to her cult mommy, at this point Lae'zel doesn't even know she "should" bring it to Vlaakith, she's just upset because this sharran has murdered her people and stolen a relic, anybody would get pissed at that And afterwards you can't tell her that she's on thin ice, right when you talk them down Shart acts like its Lae'zel that started it, when she had a dagger to Lae'zels throat 2 seconds ago, and the next day when you're trying to talk to her about this she's dissmisive, acting like attempted murder wasnt a big deal and you're just being annoying I truly dont care what is canon for origin Shart, her behavior in my Tav playthrough is so bloody infuriating i hate that you can't tell her something strong and intimidating, as a leader, you can only just sigh and move on, kill her or kick her out
However you can skip the entire ordeal if you go to the githyanki at mountain pass early enough, at this point Lae'zel should agree you can't give the prism back to Githyanki and the fight doesn't happen Also it think that's when the prism decides to be in your pocket instead of Sharts
@@croissant2882 This is like literally one of the only times I've seen anyone acknowledge that Shart is 100% in the ABSOLUTE WRONG during this scene in any other scenario than her origin playthrough. She jumps a companion in the middle of the night and admits she was going to BS to the group about why if she kills her, then reactions from the companions somehow act like Lae'zel was IN THE WRONG WHAT IS HAPPENING. It's absolutely BAFFLING how people realize Shadowheart is manipulative AF as a character and think she's this sweet little uwu waifu???? I like the character for what she is, but man she is NOT a sweet little friend.
Can someone tell me why would the artifact attack Laezel like that? If you kill Shadowheart and steal the artifact as Tav, it doesn't kill you. Even if you play as Laezel. Why would the Emperor do that in that specific context?
In my first (and current!) playthrough, I was in the middle of goblin genocide when a random drow jumped in and joined them. Turns out she had a mind flayer parasite... Imagine my surprise a few days later when I see a video talking about her as a companion... Oops.
@@Mithcoriel I just did a new run where I knocked Minthara out instead of killing her. I'm told I can pick her up in Act 2 now. I'll keep y'all posted :)
@@tuxxyy1 I thought this scene happens in act 1. Well you could delay it by not meeting Laezel for a while, or making sure Laez or SH are always dead each long rest
ugh wyll and Gale, really! no mention of the fact that the zealot who regularly threatens to kill just about everyone in the party, ambushed you in the middle of the night, proceeded to stab you and then BLEW HERSELF UP! But know it's all your fault because you kept a little secret. Because god knows you aren't keeping any secrets!
One indoctrinated girl fights another indoctrinated girl. Who wins? Mind flayer.
Just your average time at Christian summer camp.
Man the Bible 2 hitting different, can’t wait for the conclusion of the holy trinity
That sounds like a description of a WW2 propaganda poster
Shadowheart is really not as zealous as Laezel, if you just let her do her thing, she somehow changes her entire world view in act 2 in two seconds because one girl tells her something we already knew in act 1... And she already doubts by the beginning of act 1, they really did a bad job indoctrinating her.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me that's kinda what happens when she has the barest memories of her indoctrination and the fact that spending time around anyone who isn't a sharran would inevitably have her ask questions.
Playing 'origin' characters feels so weird. You know who they are, know their voices, and suddenly they are mute and their personality is gone.
They still talk in exploration - also I guess you can try to roleplay them??
I'm the same way, not having a Tav/Durge makes it feel like someone's missing
@quack_stack its cuz there is it means you miss the voice of reason
Happens whenever you're controlling them for a conversation, not just using them as an origin. Found that out on my first playthrough in Shar's Temple. Shadowheart got seperated from the party when Shar's conversation to her triggered, so after trying to collect he, I suddenly get put in her silent shoes and got quite the spoiler about Shar's plans by being in the recipients shoes. xD
@@quack_stack wait ... If you play Durge though, a tonne of characters go missing... 😅
DM: WOW WOW WOW what are you doing!? i said we don't do pvp in this table.
Lae'zel's player: lol its what my character would do, i stab her.
DM: you explode, now get out of my table.
Totally feels like it! 🤣
Horrible DMing right there.
EDIT: I have come back to find that most people seem to think otherwise. XD
EDIT 2: Fuck's sake guys, leave me the hell alone. I just said this because to me it seemed the DM in OP's joke could've handled a "problem player" better. This doesn't give ANYONE the right to dm me personally over this. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.
@@azazelblackfire816 Right, the DM needs to bend over backwards and backpedal on an established rule just to appease one player.
Regarded and artistic.
@@azazelblackfire816If there's ONE rule that applies to EVERY table out there, ONE rule that's common knowledge, it's DON'T FUCK with the DM. Trying to work around rules & established patterns, very welcomed, outright violating said rules, serves you right getting booted from the table!
@@azazelblackfire816more like horrible player for using poor excuses to play a shitty character. Nice try tho.
Shadowheart really needs to learn how to dodge. By the way, if the prism can do this, we should use it as a grenade once per short rest.
I can hear a big green guy yelling "DOOOOOODGE!"
@@DrEgonCholakian Big Green and the senzu bean brigade!
why… didn’t… you… DOOOOOOODGE!!!!! Bleh… (dies)”
Oh man coming to the comments and getting a TFS mention. What a trip! lol@@DrEgonCholakian
She was about long rest, she could cure wounds to stabilize it and then sleep the rest off.
I like how Shadowheart doesn’t even try to stop Lae’zel from stabbing her and just puts her hands out like “Woah wait, I was joking”
"It was just a prank bro"
Then she's bleeding till morning. ALIVE!
FOR A WHILE @@prometheus5405
@@prometheus5405I'm assuming since she is a cleric that she can patch herself up.
I love how everyone refers to Shadowheart killing Lae'zel, when in fact it was Lae'zel's fault for fucking with the artifact.
Cleric: dont play with the dangerous magic item
Fighter: ima stab you and play with it
Fighter: explodes
Party: wow the cleric is such a fearsome warrior
me reading the title of this: "companions react to Lae'zel getting- WHAT NOW?????????"
;D
@@LakeLakH i never stop learning new stuff about this game
Asploded.
I genuinely had to do a double take when I saw the title, then audibly went "WHAT" when it actually happened. This game is wild LOL
@@mah1naorigin character play through of Shadowheart
“May she rest in… well, something more exciting than peace.”
_Pieces?_
OOOOOOOOFFFFFF
Calm down bro, no need to roast Laezel a second time.
I came here to say this lmao
Mindblowing pun. 👏👏👏
So weird seeing any of the companions as the silent main character.
fr, I couldn't imagine playing Astarion as a silent origin character. That would be too sad.
This is why I haven’t played any of the origin characters lol. I want to hear all the dialogue
That'd be the best reason to play as Asterion for me. I can't stand his voice
@razrv3lc ironically, you're missing completely unique dialogue by not playing as origin characters!
@@papacharlie-niner148 My current run is him. It's kind of sad seeing him silent and there was one very important scene concerning him in act 2 that was somehow "removed".
Karlach's is better. She has internal monologues. Voiced even.
Poor Karlach 😢 She is so sad, a little scared here 😭
okay but "my worst is for worthy foes. this will have to suffice" goes hard as hell
Emperor must be feeling like '' Am i joke to you'' after how easily Shadowheart fell to Laezels attack.
Everyone talking as if Shadowheart killed her, ignoring the box just blew her up.
Didn't this happen while everyone was asleep? Nobody would know the box blew her up, and even if Shart tried to tell somebody, I doubt they'd believe that the box just HAPPENED to suddenly blow somebody up.
If you don't just let her stab you, Shadowheart can actually kill Lae herself. They probably didn't want to do two sets of reactions when the outcome is ostensibly the same from the party's perspective.
No one commenting on how she died baffles me. Shadow heart didn’t beat her in their duel she stabbed shadow heart and the exploded. Seems fishy
Well, do you call attacking someone in their sleep a duel? It's wrong of Shart to do it to Lae'zel (when don't play as Shart) as much as it's wrong for Lae'zel.
Lae'zel wanted to bring artifact back to her kin, so Emperor stopped her, simple as that.
@@MatriarchatorHow is it wrong of Shart to do it? In a non origin run, Lae'zel is the one who instigates and promises a duel to the death. Shart would've stood no chance against a githyanki warrior, so she falls back on her training and makes the first move before lae'zel is ready. It's just simple survival.
@@CelestialDraconisWell it's wrong morally, but I agree. If you account only for survival, then Shart is completely right. That's one of the reason why I dislike Lae'zel. A lot of her choices bring unnecessary danger for the rest group (like even with character knowledge, creche is an obvious trap that game doesn't let you call that).
@@MatriarchatorI think they mean that they are acting like Shadowheart won a fight, but it was the prism that did it tho.
Actually a lot of these choices could be avoided if Shadowheart was either better at hiding it or better at trusting her allies.
A player who can't earn Lae'zel's trust as you play as Shadowheart has failed.
@@SLYKMAaaand Shart would care about Lae'zel's approval because?
Fine, it was not Shart's win. What does it matter? Toad messed around and found out. I doesn't matter how but any event that can get Lae'zel killed is her own fault (be it "duel" with Shart, meeting Gith patrol or NOT GAINING peoples' trust when she's in cage).
So yeah, I don't see a point.
"And yet here I stand, concerned."
It's a good comeback. Try it in an argument if you can.
“You should probably get that looked at.”
Tbh it's stupid their blaming Shadowheart when she didn't even do anything to kill her
Those are standard dialogs if you let Shadowheart kill Lae’zel. I’ve never played her origin and I’ve seen these companion reactions before when I let SH kill Lae’zel once. Her blowing up though was new on me.
On top of that, if she had somehow influenced the artifact, it would have been self-defense!
Plus seeing this play out vs how it normally does when you play as Tav.
To think shadow heart isn’t as much as a bitch as I thought
Lae’zel might be my favourite character ever but gotta say watching her explode was one of the funniest things I’ve seen in this game
I like all the companions, but watching them turn into bits and pieces will always be funny to me
Maybe its my tf2 brain linking it with the explode keybind people use lol
Okay *Keybind*
@@LakeLakH THAT EXPLAINS *EVERYTHING*
Lol... Karlach stopping herself mid sentence to not make a pun about Laezels death. 😂
Best part lmao
What's in the box...?
PAIN
Playing as Shadowheart: That's BS, DM! She shouldn't just get a free attack like that! At least let us roll initiative!
"I already did."
"What? You rolled for us? Ugh, fine, okay, well since it's definitely MY turn now--"
"No no, it's *my* turn now."
"Uh... what?"
@@Starfloofle still her turn, double attack as fighter
@quineloe Yah, but you'd have to attack twice, not attack once then use the other to interact with the artifact.
How can an expression as useful as "Let's cast from the same spellbook" be hidden?! I need that expression to become a thing!
"You've got more steel than I thought!"
Yes, a whole belly full XD
“My main goal is to blow up, and then act like I don’t know nobody.”
Damn, and here I thought the Emperor didn't care who carried the Prism as long as it served his purposes.
But he clearly grew attached to Shadowheart. Or just felt insulted that Lae'zel unwittingly questioned his choice of Prism-bearer.
Lae'zel is a Githyanki and the Emperor fears them, for they might come to kill him and the source of his power and safety, Orpheus. I think he killed Lae'zel to save himself, because she would've brought the Prism to Vlaakith.
@@kitmonroe The emperor did what he had to do to prevent Lae'zel to run and give the prism to Vlakith.
Its not attachement. In here Shadowheart is main character. So he protects the main character from a frog who wants to kill her.
Yeah, at this point in time Lae'zel is still fully loyal to Vlaakith and so the Emperor feared she might simply turn the Prism over to Voss or whoever else might be looking for it.
If I just watched someone stab someone else over something that important I might not want them to have it either
1:22 pretty much how you'd expect a knife fight between a fighter and a cleric to go but the way it's just so nonchalant is really goofy
Otherwise Cleric could easily smite a fighter at any day.
I mean, she is a trickery domain cleric, so she can easily get out of that kind of situation. It's just cutscene logic.
Meanwhile I've been playing as Lae'zel and getting the artefact another way: Romancing Shadowheart.
poor shadowheart. that seems like a way worse fate.
@@mermidion7552 Damn, someone doesn't like frogs.
"Or I will open your neck" Uh, Laezel that's a dagger. It's what, 1d4+STR damage? That's barely even worth a word of healing.
This is the RP part, not combat. =D
But that +STR is a +17 to all strength rolls, not to mention she technically has advantage due to the surprise attack. And that’s not counting if she has a enchanted dagger or not depending on what’s equipped here lol
@@thatweirdgirl8466 Isnt' she 17 STR? That's +3. Or at least that's how it worked in D&D 3.5. Crap, I'm old.
Doesn't this count as a coup de grace?
@@Mithcoriel opponent was sleeping, sleeping is helpless. coup de grace as a readied action, I think? followed by talking.
Piccolo from far away: WHY DIDN'T YOU DODGE!!!
wasn't enough damage to worry about.
YOU opened the box....
And came apart.
But its just a puzzle box...
Oh no! Its a means to summon us.
Explorers of the furthest regions of experience.
Demons to some, angels to others...
@@DeclanC1993 :::holds up his Hellraiser box signed by Doug Bradley, Terry Farrell and Ashley Laurence:::
Hahahahahh
My first playthrough was as Shadowheart. This is how her romance with Lae'zel began 🥰
perfect example of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"
King Wyll coming in with the best advice as always 👑
In the simplest way - if some random frog first tries to kill me, then a member of my party, then, for one night, consider me French.
So many possibilities! It makes you wanna replay with every origin character.
Yeah, kinda makes me wanna start a Lae'zel origin run to see how this encounter plays out then
@@LakeLakH you don't really get any beefs with Shadowheart as Lae'zel, but i guess i was playing it the way to not have any conflicts with her and even almost got to romance her. It makes sense tho since Lae'zel is instigator mostly, but i guess it could be other way if you don't have good relationships and do a lot of long rests.
There are not really alot of differences in what happens between any of them except for dark urge
@@michaeltreu4152 I guess you're right. Many of those exlcusive interactions we can obtain by dialoguing while controling the specific charecter.
if the artifact could do that the whole time, why didn't we just gave it to Ketheric / Orin / handsome young human?
They are protected by the Dead Three and an elderbrain...
Yeah "she" defeated Lae'zel
The voice acting and production in this game is an 11/10. They went above and beyond to make the characters come to life.
Lae’zel has a pretty funny story when withers brings her back
oh he can? Do tell
Curious to know what she says, if that's even possible
He can’t, she permadead, this happened in my playthrough and I was shook
@@broadwaystar2bWell, Withers limits himself to resurrecting only members of the party after all. The moment one of them turns on another & ends up dead, they're considered booted from the party & thus, illegible for the benefit of getting resurrected.
Lae'zel cannot be brough back by Withers after she turns on a party member, as she is no longer a party member, and Withers can only bring back a party member.
Don't spread misinformation.
Wtf was that face Laezel made when she picked up the prism?
She went from “mine” to “ooo, it’s doing something…FU-“ *explodes
I didn't know the prism could do that. And apparently neither did any of them.
From the Guardian's perspective, a murderously angry Lae'zel would be just another Githyanki for them to avoid at all costs. She was probably the party member it was most suspicious of early on.
@@PsyrenXY It still made the specific choice of protecting her from the Absolute, so it must have been aware of what was happening.
@Myzelfa the only reason it protects all of them is because of the tav. That's why origin playthorughs feel weird. The rest of the group has too much side baggage to be trustworthy or helpful. Tav has none.
@@colinnixon7739 ? that doesn't make any sense for a dark urge playthrough, though. unless you're including them as an origin (which i guess they are)
i mean my tav was roleplayed as a CE-leaning warlock whose patron was a lich and would do anything for a smidgen more personal power so not all tavs are free from baggage either
@@gaymiensI don't think Dark urge and Tav are the same person. Doesn't dark urge exist if you play as Tav but they are dead? Or maybe I am confused?
"You beat Lae'zel?"
Well, no. She stabbed me and then got blown up.
More like, "Rest in Pieces"
The Emperor hit her with that Dr Manhattan blast.
Can you go to Withers and just bring Lae'zel back after this? Because that would be kind of hilarious.
nope, withers cannot undo a canonic (story based) death
The outcomes in this game never cease to amaze me. I get more impressed by this game everyday
“Astarion, uve literally seen me lay waste to hundreds of goblins and spiders. Yet killing a lizard lady is what makes u a killer.” Lol
'best we cast from the same spell book from now on'
ignoring the fact that'd be a perfect gay innuendo.. imma steal this
I found this in a factory. a bomb factory. It's a bomb.
Shadowheart: I’m going to grillby’s… SIKE
'Ol mysteria lmao
Do your worst
*proceeds to stand completely still*
Karlach: "I guess it was never going to work with the artefact on the line."
All good-guy players: Uh, hellooooo!?
Lae'Zel calls Shadowheart a coward for doing exactly what she did: waking her up with a dagger to her neck. What a hypocrite.
Shadowheart: Ah yes, I "beat" her
Lae'zel rolled a Nat 1.
Why did it... Explode? The emperor is really unhinged
Well there was no point SH taking a swing at Lae'zel...she'd just miss anyway...
The move is to use Withers to respecc her. Even split on dex and str is terrible. I +17 her dex and give her the intellect circlet from the Ogre trio in Act 1. Pretty strong.
She never misses in melee. Only on a damn cantrip that isnt made for WIS, her highest stat. You all suck at the game.
I was so confused as I had never seen this before, but then realized it was as origin shadowheart 🤣
I’m doing my honor mode run as Origin Shadowheart and boy am I glad I didn’t get that particular outcome 😬😬
Minerva probably: "cool!"
I never knew this could happen! In a few of my non-origin playthroughs, Lae'zel just murders Shadowheart after Shart attacks while Laezel is sleeping. They roll initiative and Shart never stands a chance.
Laezel casually walking around the the NXT north American championship belt around her waist
Thank god for context.
Can't decide if they're genuinely sad, or if they're only acting sad because they know Lae'zel would hate that.
she's resting in pieces
over there
and there
and there
Even when she’s not speaking shadow-heart annoys me.
“Oh we underestimated you.”
When she got carried.
Really thought Gale was gonna say Lae’zel had the makings of a varsity athlete
Explosion?!?!?! Thats a fucking nova strike. Never saw this before satisfying as hell tho
So how come when Kirth rak Therezyn holds it, It doesn't blow up?
Poor writing
I take it as a sign that the Emperor was forced to intervene. Everyone else was still asleep and Shadowheart was all that was left to protect it. Lae'zel could very well take the prism back to their queen and thus the Emperor stopped her. Giving back the prism.
When the Kith'rak takes it; the Emperor is in a bad situation. Forcing the artifact to the one it's bound to. He won't let those he hadn't bound the artifact to have it. Exploding the inquisitor is not a life or death situation.
@@Polomance862 and I think the blowing-up might be a thing he can only do to people that have a tadpole in their head. Like, it's doing something with the shielding that causes the modified instantaneous ceremorphosis to happen, but so unstably that the person just blows up instead.
I kinda think it's the Emperor giving Tav or any origin character a chance to leave without aggravating the Gith since they know how dangerous they can be. Just like how they destroy the tadpole Jaheira carries to gain her trust for the character, which probably hurt since it could've been useful
@@cuddlebear08 When does Jaheira carry a tadpole which the Emperor destroys?
What was the cause of it exploding? did it have something to do with the emperor not wanting it in the hands of a Gith?
Lae'Zel keep thinking and yapping she is like super overpowered strong god. Meanwhile she is most pathetic of them all:
1. Get captured by Ilithids,
2. Get trapped by 2 random thieflings in act 1
3. Shadowhearth having knife on her neck
4. Get captured by Orin
5. Explode into pieces
6. Get shitted on by Voss at the bridge
and probably many more to discover
Well it's not necessarily Laezel that gets captured by Orin.
Everyone got captured by Illithids.
In this scene you see Lae can also put a knife to SH's neck.
Everyone except protag can be captured by Orin.
I dunno... Sounds to me like half your list is just reciting things that aren't unique to her.
Strange how none of them mention her betrayal and stabbing shadowheart. lol, "Poor lae'zel, rest in peace....... stabbing you was fine though."
It's not a betrayal. Unlike like the shadowhart laezel been transparent the entire time.
Lae zael wanting to know of the origin of a an Githyanki artefact and Shadowheart not wanting to answer any of her question made shadowheart look extremely guilty to the point it was obvious she stole it. soooo it was pretty much a "Personal matter" that the two of them had to resolve and nothing to do with betrayal.
They slept during this fight.
And for those saying somehow it is SH's fault for being attacked just because she didn't want to share information about something Lae'zel knows nothing about to begin with is pretty weird...
Another reason to have beef with the Emperor 😂
"I can't believe you defeated a githyanki warrior!"
Did you forget the entire warhost we just destroyed lol?
Might not have happened yet in that part of the game.
These are the same reactions to Lae'zel dying during this fight regardless of how she dies, my Tav ended up killing her and they were all the same lines.
It's so weird they're blaming Shadowheart. Like... She's the one who got stabbed, Lae'zel then caused their explosion on her own doing.
DAAAAAAAAMN.... Yo, gibbies!
I read that as exploited, not exploded...
And boom goes the dynamite 😂
Kinda weird they act like Shadowheart killed Lae'zel herself when it was the artifact atomizing her.
I guess they didn't have time to do unique dialogue for that particular circumstance.
ok, haven't had THAT happen to me yet ...
Holy mother of..... Why can't we use this thing on boss encounters?!
Dunno what I find funnier.
That githyanki warrior can be elbowed easily by restrained enemy while holding dagger to their heart.
That shadowheart ability to dodge or block a dagger stab is practically non-existent.
Or that the character I never liked has a cutscene where they explode for being an asshole.
Karlach sounds so sad
Lae’zel is surprisingly chill if you tell her everything when she confronts you. Just curious ig
1:38 at that moment she knew, *she fucked up....*
This is amazing, so if you have a Tav does it still happen? Rather means that Shadowheart is really the second MC officially. Makes sense she has a big arc and Karlach joke but then kindness 😂
No there's a bunch if origin interactions that only happen if you play as the origin and not having them as a companion. Even some alternate paths in main quests and extra side characters like gales cat
If you play Tag/Dirge the responses are VERY similar but not exactly since these ones are paired for Shart as the PC.
When you play as Tav you find them arguing, Lae'zel agrees to solve the problem with honor with a morning fight, but then you wake up middle of the night with Shart trying to kill Lae'zel when everybody sleeps
She even says to Lae'zel "i will just tell them you were changing into a mind flayer"
You can talk them both down, choose to attack one, do nothing, Lae'zel will hit Shart and then theres a fight
One of them will die if you dont talk them both down
What annoys me is that you literally can't call shadowheart out on her shit
She attacked one of your companions IN THEIR SLEEP even though she agreed to solve it honourably, like a shady bitch she is.
It wasnt even about the prism protecting all of you, she just wants to take it to her cult mommy, at this point Lae'zel doesn't even know she "should" bring it to Vlaakith, she's just upset because this sharran has murdered her people and stolen a relic, anybody would get pissed at that
And afterwards you can't tell her that she's on thin ice, right when you talk them down Shart acts like its Lae'zel that started it, when she had a dagger to Lae'zels throat 2 seconds ago, and the next day when you're trying to talk to her about this she's dissmisive, acting like attempted murder wasnt a big deal and you're just being annoying
I truly dont care what is canon for origin Shart, her behavior in my Tav playthrough is so bloody infuriating i hate that you can't tell her something strong and intimidating, as a leader, you can only just sigh and move on, kill her or kick her out
However you can skip the entire ordeal if you go to the githyanki at mountain pass early enough, at this point Lae'zel should agree you can't give the prism back to Githyanki and the fight doesn't happen
Also it think that's when the prism decides to be in your pocket instead of Sharts
@@croissant2882 This is like literally one of the only times I've seen anyone acknowledge that Shart is 100% in the ABSOLUTE WRONG during this scene in any other scenario than her origin playthrough. She jumps a companion in the middle of the night and admits she was going to BS to the group about why if she kills her, then reactions from the companions somehow act like Lae'zel was IN THE WRONG WHAT IS HAPPENING. It's absolutely BAFFLING how people realize Shadowheart is manipulative AF as a character and think she's this sweet little uwu waifu???? I like the character for what she is, but man she is NOT a sweet little friend.
Gotta make sure the protagonist doesn't talk, to pander to RPG elitists.
This is why the group needs Tav
Nope. SH can just talk her way out of this, like Tav would. The uploader specifically chose to antagonize Lae'zel.
Can someone tell me why would the artifact attack Laezel like that? If you kill Shadowheart and steal the artifact as Tav, it doesn't kill you. Even if you play as Laezel. Why would the Emperor do that in that specific context?
Gone, reduced to cheeseburger.
i think Githyanki would be more like cooked Frogmeat.
To smithereens must be one of the worst ways to get blown.
Any unique dialogue if you revive Lae'zel after this?
She can't be revived
Damn, I gotta play the origins now
does she at least drop a mindflayer worm
guess the emperor prefers shadowheart lmao
Confused.. why did she blow up?
I assume it was the artifact's way of protecting its owner (Shadowheart)
Because she is a filthy creature reviled by AO.
Can you get a minthara reaction by recruiting her in act 1 before this cut scene?
In my first (and current!) playthrough, I was in the middle of goblin genocide when a random drow jumped in and joined them. Turns out she had a mind flayer parasite...
Imagine my surprise a few days later when I see a video talking about her as a companion...
Oops.
@@tuxxyy1 Well only if you're evil.
@@Mithcoriel I just did a new run where I knocked Minthara out instead of killing her. I'm told I can pick her up in Act 2 now. I'll keep y'all posted :)
@@tuxxyy1 I thought this scene happens in act 1. Well you could delay it by not meeting Laezel for a while, or making sure Laez or SH are always dead each long rest
ugh wyll and Gale, really! no mention of the fact that the zealot who regularly threatens to kill just about everyone in the party, ambushed you in the middle of the night, proceeded to stab you and then BLEW HERSELF UP! But know it's all your fault because you kept a little secret. Because god knows you aren't keeping any secrets!
Do you not know the backstory?sharrans stole it the artifact. Laezel has been tasked to get it back.
@@colinnixon7739 Are you sure Laezel specifically is tasked with getting this artifact back?
I wonder how she'll react when you ressurect her
she cant be ressurected after this :(
@@LakeLakH oh. :(