Tekken 8 sneak in battle pass and monetization, and fighting game players are fed up
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Tekken 8 charges $70 for the base game, $100 to $300 for more expensive editions, plus charges for upcoming DLC characters via season pass, plus added an in-game shop post launch, plus snuck in a surprise battle pass recently. A really great fighting game is getting marred by absurd monetization inclusions that are getting out of hand.
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It’s a 70$ game with free to play micro transactions. That’s modern gaming for you & it’s ridiculous.
Bro you never even played a free to play game if this is what you think they put in it. Do your self a favor and go play one.
@@FarflungClownthis is how gaming has always been???? These microtransactions have always existed, just incredibly predatory.
This is always how multiplayer games have been, it's still terrible but it's just getting worse
@@Ayuima69Shove all that bs. All F2P games have microtransactions & the fact that Namco hid it from reviews shows they knew it would be hated.
Thats a sneaky tactic. Hide greed, wait for high review scores & sales, THEN bring out the greedy monetization. By then, people already spent full price on the game.
@@Setogayamari actually no it was not always like this even for multiplayer games
@@FarflungClown yeah remember when you bought a game and that one character had an infinite. Remember when you risked your money to buy a game and it might not even be good or playable like action 52? Things change. So change with the times. If you are so stingy with your money then be stingy, don't buy it, watch a review and if it's good buy it. Stop making excuses of your nostalgia coping thinking it was better back in the day when things couldn't be fixed.
The worst thing to me is how many gamers defend these practices.
Who? Who defends this crap?!
@@wilcee238 the people who constantly buy it and say "you don't HAVE to buy it".
@@wilcee238 Whales
There has always been people throughout history willing to lick boots.
What's worst is that brain dead idiots who bought this, then bitch about it later, because a company is trying to make money. Don't buy Tekken. Problem solved.
Remember when in old Tekken games you unlocked things by PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME?
Tekken Tag is the gold standard, imo. It’s a game packed full of content and characters that is fun to play and unlock all it has to offer. This shit blows
You remember in old *games you unlocked things by PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME?
FTFY. I don't know a single modern day Triple A game with natural unlocks.
bro remember tekken force from T3? There was extra game modes to unlock
@@deathreign3 Was gonna say Smash, but...
Amiibo
DLC additions
Remeber treasure battle??
"GET READY FOR THE NEXT MICRO TRANSACTION" 😂😂😂
greed, plain and simple. There's no legitimate reason for a $70 game to ask for anything past the opening price except for a full expansion
Full expansion weren't even a thing at first either💀💀💀 companies got us lowering the bar 😭
@sneakysnail9225 New generation is getting money and has no morals or values. Smh
People were complaining about the character customization. So they added more costumes and more items to put on the characters
@@kickass2733they added things to the battle pass that were in tekken 7 on release, just stop please
Clown @@kickass2733
the fact they called it a "feature" LMFAOOOOOOOOO
Ah yes the classic, "Lets lock content behind a paywaII instead of letting players unlock it through gameplay" best feature ever.
Reminds me of when Tekken 7 monetized frame data.
Are you saying the average gamer is smart enough to understand the difference between "feature" and greed? We are literally at this point in the gaming industry because gamers can't tell the difference...
That's how they're pushing the.goal post. Same with buying save files like most pr characters appearance changes like dragons dogma
@@iaqh Tekken 3 was my first PS1 game and I remember me and my sister playing non-stop to unlock all additional characters and game modes
Now it's pay or get nothing
Thank you for talking about this. I'm a Tekken player since Tekken 2 and seeing what's happening with this series is just... sad.
It happens because certain gamers are idiots who keeps buying the currency
😮 very true
Yup lol
ah yes the classic, it's *our* fault
@@masterowl123if no one bought it, they wouldn't sell it.
@@masterowl123 It is your fault... instead of complaining try not giving them your money...
My Steam review got banned cuz I said "Why to buy fighting game at day 1 when they give everything away after 1 year at same price with all DLC"
I'm sorry your review got banned, which seems like a dumb situation.
But just in case you're interested: the reason to buy the fighting game day 1 is because that first year is the most fun time for serious players to play the game online & with friends in local co-op. We're all learning our moves/combos and the flow and tactics of the game, developing a main and a few alts -- and all the good players are at basically the same place. It's a race to get better, and I'd even say it's fun to get beat in a fight honestly by someone who has gotten better more quickly than I. Kudos to that guy, y'know?
If you wait until the release of that complete edition including DLC (after 1-3 years), try to go in and learn those things and compete against highly-ranked players. You will get utterly trashed by those guys who have been having fun and getting stronger since Day 1.
For casual players, buying the complete edition (after 1-3 years) is the best way to go if they are patient. Some buy both versions to support the fighting game market.
I personally love this first year online -- so I'm all in day 1 and buy the character DLC as it comes out (season passes, usually). Of course, I would never consider battle passes (which is a trash move), and I learned the hard way in the past to just wait on the a la carte costume purchases. I play with basic costumes for the first few years, and then buy the complete edition when it's eventually on sale for $20 (for archival reasons, and to have some fun going back and playing with all the cool alternative outfits).
Well you're making claims that are objectively unproven for now. Yes, you can assume they'll do what you claim based on what they've done before, but you just can't use it in a review like that.
@@_loss_ Nice try, fanboy. XD
I can see why lmao. That review alone would make PR sweat. "Has he looked at our documents?!" "Nah just you all do this now, its predicta" "He's leaking info, SHUT DOWN!!!!"
Its the same thing with sports games why buy them day 1 if you dont play online matches when you can buy them for 10 8 months later
Gaming companies are greedy af. They are drooling about how much money some f2p games get. Yet they want the f2p monitization, but with a full game price. Pls everybody don't let them gaslight you like they did with the 70 dollar price.
That’s why OLD SCHOOL RUNESCAPE IS GOD
What's crazy is how Arrowhead who is running a live service with more going on in it has a better monetization plan. Heck they are releasing a third battle pass next week and this is the third pass I'm paying zero dollars for but still getting it.
Tekken on the other hand Ive put down because of these microtransactions. Its a shame that Harada doesn't see the issue with this especially since he was there hearing Lariens speech at the Gaming Conference about greedy companies. In one ear out the other I guess.
I wouldn't call a Battle Pass a good monetization plan. It's just as money grabby as everything else.
@@ninochaosdrache3189 Except that technically the 'battlepass' in HD2 is free and grindable by just playing the game. There are even guides made on how to efficiently farm the *in-game* SuperCredit currency needed to buy this "pass".
I can attest to this as I was able to farm the SuperCredits for 1 hour in-game just enough for the next pass as well.
@@ninochaosdrache3189So with Helldivers 2, you can easily get the currency needed for the battle pass through gameplay. That's what they meant
Cost of development wouldn't be so high if the suits would stop giving themselves bonuses so high I could buy a house, pay off my car, get a bachelor's degree and not have to work a full time job through the whole process.
EXACTLLY the money goes to the corpos.
We DONT NEED THOSE PARASITE.
They over 8 flate the cost of everything and to top it off they HAVE to make more money for their overlors.
And to be huge dicks that destroy everything, the6 get mo ey so they can live with themselves.
GET RID OF THEM. We sont need them. At all.
Proof: make a kickstarter, and you will raise enough money to pay for your game and then some, if its a good concept and well done.
The money making is n
"You know game development is just to expensive we NEED microtransactions" the game executive says on their recently purchased 17th yacht
Cost of development being used as an excuse for Tekken 8 of things is making me doubt the development cost woes the industry has. Most games these days are essentially asset flips and Tekken 8 is a prime example. Where is the cost!?!?
@@colin3ds1 this too; it's not like the majority of money is going towards the workers.
@@Shizzmoney74in fact some of these studios are instead turning around and reducing their staff
12 bucks for a fatality? For a single animation? Goddamn, these "micro" transactions seem pretty fucking macro lately. Also, these collector's editions are getting absolutely wild. Three hundred dollars... I mean, sure, you get a statue and costumes for everyone and some other shit but then to put microtransactions on it, too? It's just obscene.
“It’s just optional! Just ignore it!”
-People defending Dragon’s Dogma 2’s monetization
Well, guess what. We’re not gonna ignore this BS any longer.
If people were actually ignoring it, it wouldn't have become this big of an issue since devs would have stopped making these long ago. If people with extra money want to throw some of that to devs that make the games they love, I have no problem with devs opening an avenue for this to happen. The problem is the predatory tactics that are used by the devs/publishers to bait others into also paying them.
@@Chepakishui It's rarely the devs that do it, most of the time it's the publishers/executives.
Dragons dogma 2’s monetization is literally the worst example you could have used lmao
how so? Its a full priced 70 dollar single player game but still has microtransactions. They are 100 percent unecessary and forces people to stay online for a single player game just because of some microtransactions that have no business being in there. If the Dragon's Dogma microtransactiopns are so inconsequential, then they shouldnt even be in the game in the first place. Its the concept and its implications that are the problem.@@darkshat3077
Worst example to use. Yong Yea has a whole video about it.
I think why people are more understanding with SF6 is because the battle pass only has avatar cosmetics. Meanwhile Tekken had amazing customisation in Tekken 7, but they dialed that back to then sell the customisable items through the battle pass and store. That's the scummiest part of all of this. It's straight up EA business practices
SF6 is also pretty scummy with it's Fighter Coin system, I do agree the BP is trash at the very least so you don't feel like you are missing out on much ignoring it
People are not more understanding with SF6. SF6 has a similar problem of charging just as much money, but giving even more useless content (i.e avatar items).
@@noboty4168 but that makes it an easier decision. You don't get it unless you want avatar stuff. Tekken 8 has FOMO. You want this limited time Jin outfit from Tekken 3? It's available for 4 weeks at 400 fighter coins. Fighter coins only get sold in packs of 500
Both SF6 and Tekken 8 use dark patterns. But Tekken 8 uses more of them
@@TheRedCap30 both are bad, but Tekken uses more dark patterns
When Tekken 8 just came out, everyone called the customization the best it has ever been, so I highly doubt that.
Miyazaki was right to wrest control of Elden Ring from Bamco, just imagine the kinda trash they'd wanna push in there.
Think of all the amazing things we could of had if Elden Ring had a battlepass! I'm sure Moonveil and other popular weapons being behind micro transactions... Sounds like a glorious paradise does it not fellow Tarnished? But yeah, Miyazaki was totally right
Horse armor with slightly different shades
@@panduvandal imo this is way way way worse than some stupid horse armor that most people didn't even know existed at the time unless you checked the store. A stupid 5$ purchase Cannot be compared to hundreds or even thousands of dollars, micro transactions and battle passes thrown in your face constantly, and p2w mechanics. (Which horse armor wasn't even the first micro transaction, it was actually a MMO. Forget what it was called, think it was MapleStory)
@@Kratos-eg7ez Yes, but the reason the horse armour was so egregious, was it was one of, if not the first, singleplayer mtx in a game that had nothing else like that which showed the execs that people would pay for fucking anything if they liked the game.
As an Armored Core fan that's scary as well
Killer Instinct just dropped a anniversary patch for a 10 year old game and gave us over 85 new colors and a bunch of previously unattainable colors ALL FOR FREE! Thank you Iron Galaxy for actually caring about KI and its fanbase.
God of war gave us a full dlc for free
For free NOW. KI3 was greedy years ago. Characters locked behind MULTIPLE Seasons, until its Complete Edition came out.
Bro this is a L comment. KI was just as bad when it came out 10 years ago!
@@Walt_Xander94 That's literally every fighting game since the PS3/360 era.
Just a shame they can't make a sequel at some point.
I miss the old days when you have finish the arcade/story mode of these fighting games just to unlock additional costumes or characters. Now, these games will drain your wallet to give you the best costumes
You still have to play these game modes to unlock certain costumes. That's maybe something you find fun, I don't engage with story mode and offline modes so it just causes me not to have the costume by default. It's not 2005 anymore...
Never in my life did I expected Tekken to have a damn battle plass. Been playing since I was 5 yrs old with my ps1.
Games were already pricey back when minimum wage was $7.25 years ago and, its gotten so much worse now that the current minimum wage is $7.25.
Where do u live ? Its 16.55 here in Toronto Canada 17.20 on Oct 1st 2024. I hear its 20 an hour in California.
@@16thdave America... and majority of states are still at that $7 minimum wage. Some states go up to 10 dollars, California is 16 dollars... the 20 dollar an hour you "hear" about is something very recent and only applies to food workers. Do some research next time.
My min wage is 10.45 an hour
@@16thdaveI live in Georgia, in the US, and the min here is $7.25. I get paid above that but that is the minimum in the state
and people say america is the best country in the world LOL
This is the type of behavior that makes players hesitant on newer games. There's no trust & transparency. No wonder why I see more and more people playing older games. They were from a time when these egregious practices didn't exist.
Awkwafina recently hooked her ps2 up to play old Rockband games.
A ps2 is seeing more action than modern consoles
@@BrandonDenny-we1rwthose were the days that we got feature complete games with tons of content that you can unlock without the game asking you for real money transactions.
Remember the cheat codes? Cheat codes are now rebranded as time savers and sold as a premium.
Yep I was interested in Tekken and Dragons Dogma 2, but I think I'll wait a few years. The games will either be good by then or they won't, but the dollar price will be different and I'll actually get to buy the entire game.
@@BrandonDenny-we1rw PS2 was the golden age, Sly Cooper, aw man I loved his games
@@samc9133 Dragons Dogma 1 still holds up to this day, Asmongold recently played it.
Trust me. The game will only get better in time.
Thanks for covering this yong! Tekken 8 is amazing but the sudden monetization got me really concerned about the games future! And I‘m saying this as a huge tekken 8 enjoyer!
I was going to buy the game, but now I definitely will not.
It's a fun game though. Just pirate it.
If you buy it on cdkeys, the developer gets none of the money, and you get a hefty price reduction. (If it is pc you play on)
Shit like this is one of the reasons I barely play games anymore. I loved games for like 30 years, and I just don't now.
The industry has just gotten so much more cynical and exploitative than it was when I was a kid, and it was already plenty cynical and exploitative back then. I'm so sick of the games I buy getting vandalized by shoving me all the shit I haven't bought front and center. I don't want to worry about my son draining the bank account in a few years on lootboxes and shit. Everyone hates it, but they've done it long enough that now it's normal to their biggest demographic.
I hate it, man.
Personally, that’s why I don’t do triple a anymore, have gone to the other side of the industry of indie, don’t look at most high cost games anymore, gotta argue to make it fun. Hope get their stuff sorted but unlikely.
I just came to back up the other commenter saying to go with indy games. Microtransactions and monetization kept me away from Street Fighter 6 and it looks like they'll keep me away from Tekken 8 and Mortal Kombat 1 as well. I didn't touch Diablo 4 either. Aggressive monetization is going to be the death of the AAA gaming industry and indies will survive it.
@@SunaKokaru
Indie devs can be scummy and greedy as well. Just look at Payday 3 or Cities Skylines 2. Those aren't AAA devs.
That's where I am, too. I've got no money and no time to throw at a game that's sold to me piecemeal at exorbitant add-ons that used to be free.
Just go retro. So many great titles I never got around to playing that I can now go back too. Modern gaming is dead to me with the exception of select titles.
Crazy you can't even buy a game weeks after launch, you have to wait over a month to see the true final product.
Weeks is Amateur time.
2+ yrs is the perfect time.
Completely balanced game with fixed optimization, all of dlc included editions for the price of 5-10$.
This is the way
Meh I wait to find out and only support games that don't have DLC these days. I prefer a complete game that doesn't sell me a product with thirty slices off it that I have to buy piece by piece.
@RiotforPeacePlz I love DLC in games - as long said DLC adds to the already completed game and doesnt just add content that should have already been in the game.
even years might not be enough. like what happened with "two worlds 2"
At this point, reporters need to ask all developers pre-launch "Do you have any post launch microtransactions planned within 3 months of the game's release?"
That would be nice, but they won’t for fear of losing their access. In addition to that developers and publishers will probably be prepped to say “there is none at this time, or we are unsure what additions to the game may be monetized going forward”.
Hilarious people still think "reporters" are just reporting anything outside of what they get paid to say, for the sake of marketing.
theyll just say no and do it in 4
The first year, not just 3 months.
Legislation that requires transparency would be better.
They could just lie to reviewers.
But laws against it could lead to lawsuits, refunds and massive penalties. Even criminal cases of fraud.
As James Stephanie Sterling has said: “If you can’t afford to make and sell a game without a half dozen additional monetization strategies, do you really deserve to be in business?”
Jim sterling
you mean Jim Sterling?
Indeed back when it said things that made sense.
Glad I held off a little bit. I had a feeling something was up. Now I can just breeze past and save my money, I’m definitely sad about it none the less.
I wasnt surprised. The customization menu felt barren. I could tell they were gonna do something like that.
I'm not complaining.
I was hoping for smash to add a seasonal battle pass, so I at least didn't have to *feel* like wasting my time and had some form of progression in my game.
Tekken pass is $8 and when you finish it (I'm already level 30 out of 60), you get all your credits back. So, assuming I play at least a couple of hours a week, for the next few years, I could get the battle pass for free for that entire time frame.
Not bad if you ask me.
Saying game prices haven’t raised is not only categorically false but completely delusional.
Not only, have games gone from 70$ in the start of the X1/PS4 era to now 90$ (in some cases 95$ CAD) for the base version, but they’ve also added so many avenues for revenue, it’s rare you can even get the whole experience from a game even buying the “season pass”.
Games have gotten ridiculous and have almost become a luxury hobby and not just something that people can reliably turn to.
New games for 4th gen consoles sold for $50-$90. Inflation adjusted that's $120-$220 today. That's what people are talking about when they say games haven't gone up in price over the years, it's far from delusional.
Harada specifically mentioned the 90's which is why I chose 4th gen consoles to compare. If you want to compare with 8th gen consoles $60 in 2013 is worth about $80 today. "Season passes" were definitely already a thing back in 2013 by the way.
I'm talking USD of course.
All because some people agreed to make games priced at 70.
*NEVER PAY MORE THAN 20 BUCKS FOR A VIDEOGAME.*
@@VitalVampyr
Of course it is delusional, because game prices objectively got higher over the years. Compare a PS2, a PS3 and a PS4 game at release. You will ntoice the price increased with each new generation.
@@ninochaosdrache3189 The prices rose at less than the inflation rate, as I've already explained. So there's no effective increase in price.
Also $60 was the standard price for all of the 7th and 8th generations' new releases (except for Wii which was $50). We've only recently started seeing $70 standard editions.
Ppl bitch and complain but still buy the games and their battles pass so that's why they won't stop
Nope
Nope. I’m big chillin. You think this steam catalogue of unplayed games ain’t about to get cracked open instead? Lmfao. They can miss me with those transactions
I purchased it. Nobody's telling me shit. Besides that, you see plenty of people online with item shop and battle pass items equipped.
You never liked the game if a battle pass, something that exists outside of the ring, causes you to not be in the ring anymore.
I also took a break from the game, but just because of how time consuming it is to manage everything. When I'm done in practice mode, 2-3 hours already have passed and I haven't even gone to playing ranked matches yet.
I knew it was going to be bad when they took Eddy out, just to sell him to us later and they even announced that before the game’s launch.
And you know it's extra bad when every fighting game has been removing old characters to sell it to you later and no one's even talking about how that's a bad thing.
@@namelessliberty9869I already mentioned that to many people that were complaining. They accept p2w practices in their games but reject cosmetics that don't interfere with your gameplay. I couldn't even lab a replay against Eddy because I hadn't purchased him. That's p2w. Something that's worse than some random ass hat in a battle pass.
This is why I wait, this is why games like this don't get bought, this is why I feel nothing when some companies end up with financial problems. There is a way to handle difficult situations and this way will only destroy credibility, faith, and a path of returning customers.
My wife and I agreed to wait six months after release to buy any new AAA game. Saved ourselves a lot of disappointment and also pushed us to try out more indie games. Win win if you ask me, especially with the shit state of the industry these past few years
This makes me more agree with larrian studios
God bless us that Larian doesn’t get owned by any big greedy company
Bro not everything is about bg3 ughhh fk that lame ahh game
@@badlandschugsnumber1fan123 What a dumb take
@@badlandschugsnumber1fan123 It's not about the game, it's the mindset of the studio that seems completely out of place in today's market. A mind set far more common when video gaming was fresh.
@@badlandschugsnumber1fan123- *lame ass game
And dragons dogma 2 was so criticized for a few itens in the mtx. IF you play d dogma 2 you Will see how useless are the itens in the shop.
These items are useless too. A hat, t-shirt or pair of shoes don't make you a better Tekken player.
Hey remember when games released full and complete? They even had secret levels, secret unlocks and cheat codes to make the game more fun and it was all included within the base price which was lower than what publishers try to push now.
The worst part is that my biggest complaint about Tekken 8 when it came out was how barebones the costumes felt to me compared to 7 and past games. The boom comes the shop and a battle pass. Really sucks
The monkeys paw
It's not over yet - new seasons, expansions, new move sets, and content will come at a cost. @TheMainManSWE please give us your thoughts about this...
How many more battle pass are we going to get in games, even games people payed for... jeez
We won't see them go away until people stop buying them and all the kiss-ass influencers stop being, well, kiss-asses.
I'm seriously tired of battle passes, sounded like a good idea at first, but it's just a stigma in gaming.
At least Helldivers 2 is considerate enough to give you content without spending extra cash.
As long as people buy them, they will keep coming.
Or battle passes within battle passes? Or multiple currencies?
Buy Baldur’s Gate III or the Divinity series from Larian. At least they’re a modern gaming company that doesn’t feed into this type of bullsh*t 🔥
Patiently waits for them to report record breaking sales in a few months.
Does anyone remember the days of games where you got a complete game for a single payment? Just playing the game unlocked new characters and alt skins/ costumes
This is what we call a classic microtransaction bait & switch rugpull, we should’ve known that there would’ve been a catch to a fighting game with this much effort & funding put into it.. 🤦♂️
I cant with all these battle passes. If youre gonna have a battle pass your game better be free. I dont have to time to grind out all these battle passes, and im sick and tired of the FOMO.
My thoughts exactly. I have no qualms on grinding battle passes for free games (VALORANT and MHUR have been my current ones), but the moment I find out a paid game has one is the moment I decide not to buy it. Fuck this greed shit.
Every single game nowdays wants you to play just that game alone its so ridiculous.
Even if it isn't free they shouldn't be having it available for a limited time look at helldivers the battle passes they release are always available to buy and grind out not locked behind a time limit like all games are now.
I’m at the point, I’ll just skip anything that has a battlepass. I only do overwatch, and mostly all single player stuff. Sorry helldiver.
@@krazyd0nut404For me I feel like Helldivers gets away with it because they are not charging $70 but $40, with that $40 base including a decent amount of content already. I don't hate the concept of spending money on a game over time, but when a company slaps me in the face with it, it gets annoying fast.
There was a report recently saying that more people were playing retro games over more modern ones.
Bullshit like this is why.
Bro this is why I subscribe to your channel thank you so much You keep it real You don't hold back especially when you get upset but you don't hold back when getting off and there A_______$sss thank you because you are the voice for us that needs to be heard This has to stop it's getting other ridiculous man can't even enjoy gaming no more ....
I fucking love how you respect tekkens game director and you still call him out on his bs. Good stuff Yong.
Never believe the lies these suits spew folks, increasing profit margins are the only thing they care about, they added 70$ price tags but they claimed it was not enough, then they added MTX stores but claimed it was not enough, then came the Battle Pass and again they claimed it was not enough, they will keep adding more and more MTX into games to keep making that profit margin higher, it will never end, it's absolute lunacy and it's what's killing the AAA game industry.
Meanwhile you've pre-ordered ashes of creation for $500.
I was thinking about getting Tekken 8, but now I will hold up on that. Thanks for telling us.
Obviously looked at MK1 and decided that was the model to aspire to. For some crazy reason.
Another messed up part I heard for the Tekken shop is that if your save data gets corrupted (essentially means a save reset), the item shop would bug out and lock you out of items that you already have bought before.
Tekken Streamer Miiro tried to buy a FREE Tekken Shop item after having his save data become corrupted, however, he was unable to equip those cosmetics.
Imagine if he paid Tekken Coins (the premium currency) on cosmetics and being unable to customize your character, even after spending money for those items.
The fact that it's tied to the save data, and not a separate file is... concerning.
Boohoo it's free and will be fixed. It's a cosmetic it doesn't win the game for you.
@@Ayuima69 This gotta be some bait. You can't be that stupid my guy.
@Ayuima69 yes, it's a free cosmetic. Now what if you paid 30 dollars or more for cosmetics and your save gets corrupted, what then?
Go defend sh@t that actually deserves to be defended
@@sebastianbronowicki7073 it would get fixed and you would still have it. Why are you acting intentionally dumb like it's a permanent mark that will never be fixed? I bet it's already fixed and you are arguing a theoretical that doesn't even exist anymore.
The beginning of the end where now we’re seeing fighting games adopt the “live service” aspect like MK1 and now Tekken starting at 70£ release price and include hundreds of pounds worth of cosmetics, bundles , packs , DLC characters etc. I’ve been playing MK for 30 years and I dropped MK1 because of how absurd the microtransactions are
They have live service pricing without the live service. They have all of these extra payment options and they still charge you for new characters. Usually these prices are there to allow for free content, clearly this is not the case with fighting games...
Big reviewers need to call this out by adjusting their official scores and reviews after this kind of stuff happens... don't leave the reviews as a historical monolith (even if they keep an archive of the original review).
I agree. Every review from everyone should now be redone with the score significantly lowered to call this stuff out.
They've done that before.
Which is like the only time modern games journalists have shown some integrity.
Definitely. They have to spotlight the truth about the direction every game takes after release. This is getting out of control
This happened with crash team racing also. Activision Blizzard snuck in a cash shop a month after launch when the reviews were all glowing. This will be common practice now.
But that involves effort.
Micro(macro)transactions ruin everything
Obviously.
Tekken 10 will release with multiple versions, each version named after the one playable character you get for free. You can pick and choose which characters to buy to expand the roster, and if you buy ten, you get access to the story mode, provided you have the time-limited season pass to access your game. If story mode isn't your thing, go online and battle it out with people who have paid for the Vs. Mode Battle Pass. Fun for all!
First I was sad I didn't buy the game day one because I did not have 70 euros to spare, but now I am glad I didn't buy it day one. With all things they added after launch I think I'll wait for a -70% sale.
I fine it funny that tekken fans were acting smug at launch saying "well we are the good game we don't have microtransactions unlike lesser games like sf6 and mk1" and those players are now suddenly silent
The irony of Tekken players being elitist towards other fighting games is beyond words.
wait, they're silent? could've fooled me, this entire week, my whole tekken feed was nothing but people complaining abt the battle pass being added.
It's even worse than that. Those evangelists has turned on the game, literally became its biggest haters
I am crying over here since they ruined my favorite game
because they were right: tekken 8 had no mtx at launch. Then, suddenly, the tekken shop drops and the game's TERMS OF SERVICE were silently rewritten to include the presence of mtx. The steam page for the game clearly stated that the game had no in-game purchases, and the devs silently edited that too. I'd turn on the game too if the developers suddenly changed the cards on the table without my explicit, LEGAL, consent.
This is why I’m forever grateful to Melty Blood: Type Lumina. Only a few MTX with announcer voices, all DLC characters have been free updates. No battle pass, no continuously updating shop. It’s a rarity nowadays, especially in the fighting game space.
That game just nerfed characters that were already weak like DA noel while buffing Ciel, it's ridiculous.
It just sucks that Type Lumina ruined literally everything else I liked about Melty Blood.
The visuals are the only positive thing I can say about it.
how did you manage to see the number of dislikes on the video? i've missed that feature
Reminds me of ctr. Sell a game without the greed, get good reviews than put it in a few months later. You can't pre order games anymore, it's a risky business.
Until consumers truly take a stand it'll continue!
So we are doomed
What do you mean we all bought the game for $70 of course we didn’t see this coming
@@hemme100 then you failed to learn from history
@@aestheticmirror9257 it was completely unexpected but what do you mean failed???
@@hemme100 if you expected a 70$ game to not have or had microtransactions after release then that’s on you, it’s happened several times before and it will happen again
Ah yes, the classic "game development is more expensive" excuse.
You'd be surprised by how many people defend them with that lol
And of course it's not enough with increased game prices special collector editions sponsored products cut pay for employees layoffs... What did I miss?
If development of your game is getting too expensive, then that's a problem that YOU have to solve.
@@HarbingerYT the great irony is that considering the tools that keep advancing and making more complicated aspects simpler to manage, it's never been cheaper (cost of production relative to both quality of product and profit that is) to make games.
It's little more than an easily disprovable excuse
The main reason it’s more expensive is the executives taking in even more money. There’s a lot of this which could be maintained at a lower cost if the CEOs of studios like Activision Blizzard weren’t taking in tens of millions of dollars per year. If they were willing to take a lower salary (like what Nintendo’s CEO does), the games could be less expensive to make and subsequently less expensive for the consumer.
I fully agree with your take Yong what is happening is unacceptable and I fear the day this bubble will burst as it cause the gaming industry to collapse
Some people brought up concerns about monetization when they released premium legacy skins.
Those folks were mocked for the most part.
From that point onwards, the community deserves whatever shit Namco feeds them honestly.
This is the equivalent of a gymnist sticking the landing then tripping and falling when getting off the stage
More like popping for PEDs a week after walking off with the gold
Sad thing is that the hardcore Tekken players are defending this
Cuz they're 1 game Andy's. Being a variety gamer is a financial suicide these days
@@Spectrum0122 It's more that most hardcore tekken fans can't play any other fighting game.
Like, asking a tekken player to play VF, DOA, or SC is like asking a child to operate the ISS.
Which completely sucks iron crowbar.
They are the minority. The casual player is the bulk of the market. Say your piece with your wallet.
That's because us hardcore players don't care about silly costumes. Sure, they're cool, but they're not gonna make you any better at the game or give you frame advantage.
Was super hyped when I heard about DBZ Sparking Zero until I remembered that it's Bandai and they are going to do this very same thing and I'm going to have to wait until it's on a massive sale.
The worst that just happened is they added a DLC fighter which people cannot lab against in Practice Mode if they do not buy him :S this is terrible.
And worse part about it is that there are some people that will purchase them anyway.
This is the reason why I prioritize single player games, I saw that Star Ocean Second Story R just came out with a free update that added 2 more weapons per character and new character models for story NPCs, new raids and lastly an even higher difficulty for the hardcore players.
I've recently been letting games go by the wayside for months, sometimes a year or two before I buy them. It's so much easier to wait until a "Game of the Year" edition is released, or an inevitable sale hits, rather than have my hopes dashed and wallet emptied at launch.
At this point, there needs to be a push for companies to legally have to disclose plans for these things on the back of the box of the game / on the store description. Even if it doesn’t launch with the game, they should have to disclose their intentions with release to avoid bait and switch and also to warn parents about the micro transactions so they will monitor play of that game more closely than others.
The same way personal security cameras should have to put on the box if it requires wifi and especially if it requires a subscription service membership.
This shit with adding monetization AFTER the game launches should have some legal consequences. Like if mcdonalds shoves pickles or something in your burger when you sit at the table about to eat.
It's not necessary to buy those... You can ignore it.
@@gurentgc3546 This kind of mentality is the reason why monetization has gotten worse over the years!
@@dragonslayermasterornstein83 why? The problem is with the people that buys it not the ones that ignore it...
@@dragonslayermasterornstein83 if people just ignores it and don't buy it they would no longer sell them. But people will always fall for the sexy costumes and funny hats.
How much is Bandai Namco paying you to lick their boots?
And just like that, all the hype from TEKKEN 8 has just crumbled into the ground….
I’m honestly having second thoughts on buying the game! Micro transactions on a full price game are a COMPLETE NO for me!!
so extra content (that the devs worked for / charge money for) that is optional is a no-go for a game? Interesting view you have
nah you didn't plan on buying it to begin with
@@tqhr Its scummy practices like the ones they employ, just like Diablo, you HAVE to spend more than you want to, to get a item, but with the coins you have left over you can't use so you HAVE to spend more if you want something else. No that is a s s. MTX, by itself is not that bad, when done right. Helldivers 2 does it right, as does Dogma 2. Both of those games have COMPLETELY OPTIONAL purchases, and items can be obtained fully in game normally with zero issue. Unlike fighting games where you have to keep buying characters, if you want to keep being competitive. Or not being upfront about battle pass. Not to mention do you really think there was much "hard" work involved? No, not for the massive mark up applied to items. IE, Diablo 4 60+ dollar horse, do you really think that took "hard work" and is worth 60 dollars out of a 70+ dollar game? Interesting veiw you have.
The games broken rn anyway so…
@@tqhrWhen you say it that way it seems innocent enough. It's not. It's the battle pass that makes me think that. Gotta capitalize on all that great FOMO for digital items.
I think another thing people don't mention enuf when companys talk about how expensive games are to make these days is how popular games are these days and how many more copys they sell
TTT2 had it perfectly, but that was a very different climate then.
Looks like they didn't learn anything from DOA5 or DOA6 with those insane prices
tbh if game production now cost more x10 than what it does in 90's just give me 90's styled graphic game
Then the better question should be why is it costing so much? Or think of better ways than to deceive ppl.
@@A1stardan gotta please the shareholders.
Then it wouldn't sell at all
Because then people would bitch about how the graphics suck.
I feel when battle passes and MTX are being out into a game like this. Part of me gets the idea that the devs do not make the decision its the corporate suits who say "put this in the game or else we will find someone else who will" something tells me Harada did not have a say in Tekken 8 turning out how it has.
I was really hoping to buy this thing. Count myself lucky which sucks.
I was planning on purchasing Tekken 8 and I love customizing my characters. But if they are going to be charging for everything, what is the point of buying it now when I can wait until the end of the life span to buy the $70 complete edition where I would actually get everything. I only play the game at parties so I am not missing much.
I will never understand monetization for a fully paid $60-$80 game. I bet it's mostly the people who have money to spare that spends thousands of dollars on monetization which incentivizes these corporations to keep implementing monetization.
It’s called exploiting those susceptible to gambling and other thing
@@aestheticmirror9257 and that's no good.
@@TheRealRuddRants yet here we are
If this is going to be the price of fighting games in the future then maybe the past year was the final 3 hit combo of fighting games
THIS is the standard for *most* AAA games now and going forward. It sux and I have begun to slowly work my way towards just sticking with indie titles.
WTF Harada & Namco??? Tekken 8 launched in triumphant fashion. Best Tekken game to date with a fantastic story mode, great roster, quality soundtrack, etc. I'm having way more fun with Tekken 8 than I did with Street Fighter 6. But now you wanna taint all of the goodwill & respect that T8 has garnered by sneaking in this crappy microtransaction scheme??? It's bad enough that Capcom just recently pulled off something similar with Dragon's Dogma 2 but now T8 is doing the same sneaky garbage??? 🤬
They got the good reviews and the day one purchases, got as much money from that as they could, now time to ramp up the alternative monetization options to max out that profit too. Simple as that.
The optional "skill issue" DLC in DD2 is nowhere near as bad as this.
In fact the backlash is extremely overblown imo.
@@warbossgegguz679I think what we are seeing is a growing total intolerance to MTX. It was a growing sentiment a while back which is why battle passes are so common now, because instead of a huge MTX store they can now bundle a bunch of junk and 2 good items together and sell you all of it for much more than its worth. Now people are growing intolerant of battle passes and the like as well, because, frankly, companies don't offer a good deal. If a game is $70, I want ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of that game for my purchase. If they continue to work on the game for another year and release an expansion that adds significant content, great! But that's not what happens. Instead we keep getting half a game and the rest sold to us down the road.
@@warbossgegguz679 Ok stop pretending bozo, no matter how scummy implemented, cosmetic microtransactions will never be as bad as actual in-game mechanics being sold as microtransactions, even if all can be earned in-game.
@@DemoTou Were DD2, RE4, etc. online games I might agree, but buying cosmetics to show off in an online game vs. buying progression items in a single player game because you're impatient or whatever... yeah, no, the former is way more predatory.
The latter is basically an idiot tax. There's no social pressure or "flex" incentive.
Mind you, both are stupid to buy, but the latter is far more pointless to the point I personally struggle to even acknowledge they exist.
In fact the only reason I wish they didn't exist is so when I buy bundles for capcom games I don't start out with some weird advantage I don't even want (aka what happens when I buy RE months after release when I can afford it). Like I have broken equipment that just sits in my storage case because I would prefer to actually play the game.
We were so close to perfection.
One of the best story modes I've ever seen from a fighting game and it just came off as a whole package, then this happens😢
@@flashtheshapeshaftersadly it’s showing where modern gaming is going and it is getting darker and more inevitable than ever where our only hope is looking more like another video game market crash.
I'm not a fan of the heat system, but I'm just salty I have to adapt. :p
@@_loss_I'd agree with you but the counter argument is BS like Jun's heat smash and Jack's 10 frame heat smash (not saying he's busted but Jesus christ that's too damn much for a 10 frame) the game feels like it plays around the heat mechanic instead of being traditional tekken with an added tool with the heat mechanic like rage was in T7. Heat just does a bit too much rn and needs to be toned down across the board and more heavily in some characters.
Your articulated it all. This video right here just point out EVERYTHING perfectly. Thank you for standing up against this.
I bought the Deluxe edition to support the game and I have it uninstalled and not even touching it anymore. That's how disgusting it feels to play this game right now. All I can do is leave a negative review on Steam. And make no mistake, I was scammed by Bandai Namco. This stealth release of MTX post launch should literally be illegal. This is not the product I purchased and I will never support MTX.
Thank you Chong Yue for the awesome news.
I miss my childhood where you either finish a character's arcade/story mode or enter a code to unlock hidden characters and features. Good times. Good thing i always wait for the championship edition before buying a mainstream fighting game like SF and Tekken to have all if not most dlc characters included.
Cheat codes and unlocking hidden things doesn’t exist anymore in games.
@@jairekambui7738That's why people justifying timeskip DLCs seem kinda wild to me. They look at me like I have three heads when I suggest that cheat codes should not essentially be a paid feature. For example, Dragons Dogma 2. They could've just as easily given a "extra prepared start" cheat code or something instead of charging for it.
Even with Mortal Kombat. It’s a good idea to wait a year once the inevitable complete edition releases for cheaper. You just know it’s coming.
@jairekambui7738 yes, that's exactly what @siomaiwrapper was saying. Those are elements of games that no longer exist and are things that they (along with many other people) miss from older video games.
You might be the first person I've heard call MK 1 "the peak of Mortal Kombat games"
He doesn't play fighting games. I appreciate more discussion on this topic, he is farming the outrage
MK1 literally the most heavily effected lmao. I say the same about SF6 having monthly battle passes and multiple mobile phone currencies too. If it where 5 (rated terribly at launch) and 2016 you'd be surprised to know we had more characters & outfits overall than SF6 right now. It's weird to see them mostly all at it in their own greed ways (Can argue 6 isn't the same because it's all avatar and side content) But if you wanted to buy every outfit for the cast? You're spending just over $100 in fake currencies for em'
It's not bad imo, definitely better than MK11 at least. (Not a very high bar to cross though, i know.) I had fun with Reptile, and there is some cool synergy you can get with the kameos moves along with your main characters' moves.
I think it gets more hate than it deserves as a game, but i get why people are getting tired of it. Combos can be long af and it still feels pretty slow compared to MKX.
One reason I try to wait for the complete or the more updated version to come out then buy the game
I love tekken, I started as kid and when tekken tag 2 came out, it just brought me full in when I was able to play coop with my brother online. We were hyped for tekken 7, but a big problem I had was, that our main characters from Tekken Tag were not included in the base game. So we were waiting for the battle pass announcements. And we got them.. but.. they had a price tag.
Not even that, the battle pass is buying the mystery box. In the battle pass there is a character that we might like, bought the pass.. and then they took a massive shit into the battle pass with characters we never even touched, but we payed beforehand to get the characters we want.
Now in tekken 8, they pretty much sell you the battle pass in form of the deluxe edition, so already more bloat than you want with a bigger pricetag. And the first character they announce, what felt like days after release, is eddy gordo as payed DLC. A character that was in every game since tekken 3 is now sold shortly after you payed 70$ for the base game. And the character is already more expensive than the solo purchases in tekken 7. At least in 7 I felt like spending a few more bucks for the battle pass to get every character, but now they expect me to pay 110 Euro just to get the content that they are holding back. Like EDDY who was probably already fully ready for release months ago and would be able to release with the main roaster, but they have to sell you something...
Tekken 7 monitization also effectively made us stop playing. We bought the game on PS4, because our PCs were just too bad at the time. Because of space issues we would always need to setup the PS4 to play, adding up the loading time, it would take so long sometimes, that we didn't feel like playing again. I even bought the season passes of our two Tekken Tag Main characters but ended up never really playing them actively. But... we also never played it on PC, simply for the reason that it would cost us over 100€ again just to be able to use the same characters.
..... And also.. the "increased development cost" is not due to increased delevopment, buta huge portion that increased is increased marketing etc. and those fat ass that don't even know what game they work on currently, but still get 5-6 digits a month for being a part of it somehow. Missmanaging fonds is not an increase cost that the consumer should pay, its your own fault.
The more I hear these ridiculous monetization and micro transactions tactics, the more I respect Larian Studios for their direction and continue to hope they will be our saviors for saving the video games industry with great single-player games with no bs additional, hidden prices smh
It's just disappointing and it angers me that most Fighting Games go to this route of Monetizing players, or rather monetizing at ALL
That's why I'm waiting for complete editions of new fighting games to come out before I buy them now, and even then I'm buying them when they go on sale!
They did the same with Rocket League. You could buy keys/credits but just not enough for items. Item price: 500, you can only buy for example 300, 750 or higher. Awesome decal for 2000 credits, it’s 1750 or 2500.
Pretty scummy moves
The fact is that Bandai Namco has always been notorious for overmonetization, especially on their fighting games. I just looked at all the DLC for Tekken 7: $215 total for everything. So cheap, right?
I think we as gamers should push for a class action lawsuit against all game developers for these sneaky tactics. Tired of overpaying for broken and half done titles and then having us to buy battle passes and micro transactions. Enough!!! Lets push for a class action lawsuit. We need to put these game companies at notice. This is frustrating. We dont make enough in our daily jobs to keep buying all this crap.
"We don't make enough in our daily jobs to keep buying all this crap"
... yes, and we shouldn't be buying it. If people stop buying the crap, they will stop releasing the crap.
You don’t nearly have enough money to do that.
@@randomguy6679 so ur thought is not do anything about it and roll over and let the game industry keep taking advantage?
@@Colombiarican31 I’m just stating a fact. These people can afford the best lawyers you can possibly imagine, you can’t. And because of that, you lose. It’s a fact man, that’s how our corrupt law system works. I’m just saving you from wasting time and money in the process.
@@randomguy6679 thats not a fact. There are lawyers who do things probono. And if there is enough of a case, lawyers will definitely jump on it due to its cash rewards. U just need to find the right one
Also the harada statement... if a game needs mtx and battle passes to stay alive... maybe you shouldnt make that game. Its some warhammer 40k the emperor needing human sacrifices to not completely die kind of crap.
I miss rentals, I never had any issues with wasting money on crap games before they required the internet since I usually had rented them first to make sure they were worth it