Enjoying videos from Canada. I traveled all over Australia by train for a month in May 1987. Line to Adelaide was broad gauge then. I remember triple-gauge track in Peterborough S.A.
I’m happy to stir up your memories, but so much has changed since 1987. I’m sure the triple gauge track has gone but google earth may show you what is there now.
If I understand the lights correctly, the lower light pertains to the part of the track immediately ahead while the upper light pertains to further along, but if the upper light is amber or green and the lower light is red, then the upper light is the one the driver needs to pay attention to. I know. I don't really understand it either. O.o If you look right next to the track as the train approaches each light, you'll see the box beside the track which operates the automatic emergency stop system, and if you pause you might be able to see the metal "shoe" attached to the side of the box. This shoe is raised if the signal is at stop, or if there is a fault in the signal system. If the train goes past while the shoe is raised, the shoe hits a lever on the train which releases the air from the brake system, forcing the train to go into emergency stop. The driver can only override it after the train has already stopped, by getting out and using a tool (which can be as simple as a lump of wood) to move the lever back to the closed position.
I don’t know much about the meaning of the different light arrangements but standard full speed ahead is green over red. The red is usually a single fixed lamp. However red over green means something entirely different, not to mention other combinations with the occasional yellow thrown in. A Google search would possibly find some explanations.
This kind of signalling is called speed signalling (spacing the trains by altering their speed) as opposed to block signalling (where the trains are spaced by distance). Red over yellow is reduced speed. vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure§ion=signalling
It works like this Green / Red: Full speed ahead Amber / Red: Full speed but prepare to stop at next signal Amber / Green: Be going no greater than 40 km/h by next signal Red / Green: Line clear but go no faster than 40 km/h Red / Amber: Go no faster than 40 km/h and expect to stop at next signal Red / Red: Stop Any signal with Red on top (except red on red) is known as a "medium speed signal" and a driver will always receive warning of an upcoming "medium speed signal" with the Amber on green signal (called "proceed to medium speed") In areas with high signal density, (like the beginning of the video) to give extra warning of an approaching red, this is the order of signals they use First signal: Green / Red 2nd: Amber / Green 3rd: Red / Amber 4th: Red / Red (stop) This is why at the start of the video, the signals were clearing in this order. There are also a couple more indications that aren't really worth mentioning because you never see them (but I'll do it anyway) Amber / Amber (only used for repeat signals (Means the same thing as Amber on Red)) Green / Amber (only use for repeat signals (Means the same thing as Green on Red)) Don't ask me what the point of these two aspects is Red / Red / Amber (close up/shunt signal, used when the block ahead of the train is occupied but a signaller allows the train to continue into it with caution)
Thank You and your train driver friend for these series of drivers view videos, as an enthusiast it's always been a perspective I am keen to see from as many lines as possible and I have spent hours this past couple of weeks in viewing one night then travelling that line as a passenger the following day. PS I read in many of your replies comments about our weather in Melbourne; it's not as bad as you remember! Haha.
Anyway I’m pleased that these videos are of interest to you. There can’t be too many people like you who watch the video one day, and ride it the next, which would be a good way to try to understand the line. I suppose you could always watch video as you ride the train!
tressteleg1. You can come to Melbourne in Dec-Jan and bringing a Coat or Jumper is a good idea. It would look funny at the tennis,but not on one of Mebournes fine trains!⛱🌞🌦
Not with the greedy airfares! The cheapest February flight I could find home to my Gold Coast was nearly $300, more than double the flight south. Of course that may reflect where people do and don’t really want to go 😄
Wondering why the Metro stayed with wide gauge. No doubt it was cheaper to make use of what was already there, but somewhere down the line they'll have to start a conversion.
The rural lines with only freight are bit by bit being converted to Standard Gauge to assist transport of freight to other parts of the nation. As electric trains don’t venture much more than 30km from Melbourne, nothing is to be gained from gauge conversion. Rural lines with passenger service are still in the too hard basket except for the standard gauge line north towards Sydney. SG passenger trains are used wholly in Victoria.
Certain lines - namely Melbourne's electric train network and also the Bairnsdale line - are never going to cross the state border anyway, so there is no point electrifying them.
It is great to see the line I used to ride pass when I lived in Lara. Now I actually live on the Werribee line, but I don’t really take trains much more.
Werribee.. oh gosh haven't been there for 10years.. since living in sandringham.. oh gosh I'm gonna have to visit werribee.. I love the pub near the station.. probably gone by now.. werribee had everything.. shopping.. kfc.. hungry jacks.. McDonald's.. pizza Hut.. dominos.. etc good old Glen street.. been a blast living there for few years.. foreverrrrrrr memories 😥😥
The pub's now refurbished and rebranded as The Park (originally re-opened as The Park Hotel); there's also The Commercial Hotel opposite KFC, and plans to reopen The Bridge Hotel near HJs in 2020.
Fantastic video. I have friends in Lilydale. Echoing nicksalay's request. I have friends in Lilydale. There was a comment about a former track to Geelong. In June 2019 my friend Judy and I took the train from a Geelong station to Melbourne. Great memories!
I hope the driver wears ear muffs - so noisy! Such a wobbly track - would be murder on the axle boxes. Good to see the front view, though. Thanks for the video.
I do enjoy your videos. My problem is not learning the lights Id like to know how the heck you all know which track to take when there is multiple tracks to cross and around you? Sometimes I cringe thinking oh my gosh they are going to miss a track or something. :) I know you all know --good thing huh. Thanks for sharing. Keep them coming love them all.
Tramways and railways are totally different. A tram driver must remember where he is going, and set points at facing junction accordingly. While the train driver must also know where he is headed, it is up to the signal box to set up the junctions where they are used. The equipment prevents conflicts with this road setting, and signals automatically prevent 2 trains from colliding. Durning training the driver should have travelled every route a number of times and know basically where the train should be headed a junctions. From the speed indicated by the different light combinations, the driver should realise if the signalman has made a mistake and set the road for another destination. He must stop and then make radio contact if the wrong road has been set up. At no time will the passengers be in any danger. No matter where the train may stop, signals will keep other trains away.
Geelong trains and those going further now head west to Sunshine where they then turn left and join the former main line a little bit south of Werribee. Unfortunately the suburban line still ends at Werribee so you need to get a bus across to some new station a few kilometres to the west. Not very smart in my mind. In a week or two I will be doing a drive’s night view Newport to Werribee.
If you are talking about a rail between the running rails, these are purely to minimise the divergence of a derailed carriage on curves and bridges. Sydney would still have them as well as does every railway.
It works like this Green / Red: Full speed ahead Amber / Red: Full speed but prepare to stop at next signal Amber / Green: Be going no greater than 40 km/h by next signal Red / Green: Line clear but go no faster than 40 km/h Red / Amber: Go no faster than 40 km/h and expect to stop at next signal Red / Red: Stop Any signal with Red on top (except red on red) is known as a "medium speed signal" and a driver will always receive warning of an upcoming "medium speed signal" with the Amber on green signal (called "proceed to medium speed") In areas with high signal density, (like the beginning of the video) to give extra warning of an approaching red, this is the order of signals they use First signal: Green / Red 2nd: Amber / Green 3rd: Red / Amber 4th: Red / Red (stop) This is why at the start of the video, the signals were clearing in this order. There are also a couple more indications that aren't really worth mentioning because you never see them (but I'll do it anyway) Amber / Amber (only used for repeat signals (This means the same thing as Amber / Red signal)) Green / Amber (only use for repeat signals (This means the same thing as Green / Red signal)) Don't ask me what the point of these two aspect is. Red / Red / Amber (close up/shunt signal, used when the block ahead of the train is occupied but a signaller allows the train to continue into it with caution)
Thanks for that comprehensive info. I will permanently save it elsewhere as the question is asked from time to time and I will never remember all those combinations. The order of signal colours in Sydney to me is a lot more logical.
Yes Melbourne system is a bit strange, it has taken influence from America but then has also added some aspects like the Amber/Green. Also after a bit more research I have some information to add 😀 It is possible to get a medium speed signal after a Amber / Red signal because the Amber / Red is considered "more restrictive" (an Amber / Red expects you to stop at the next signal, an a medium speed indication is less restrictive than a red / red, so it is allow (but still rare). I would presume the point of the repeat/repeater signals is the same reason Brisbane has the "P" signals. There are two types of Repeater signals in Brisbane just as there are two in Melbourne. Brisbane: A Two aspect Green/Yellow signal (with a "P" plate) is like a distant signal. If it is yellow, the next signal is red, and if it is green the next signal is green. Then there are the angled light repeaters. A horizontal row of white lights means next Signal red. When they are on a diagonal angle it means yellow, and when they are vertical it means green. These are also used in Sydney and Melbourne (only Melbourne has two sets of light boxes, on on the other) So with that, I would think that repeater signals are used in Melbourne when the upcoming Signal has limited visibility. Also I think it is possible for a repeater to display a Amber / Green Signal which means the same thing as the regular "proceed to medium speed" Signal. This is how I think the aspects in repeater signals work: First aspect is the signal being repeated, second is the repeater's aspect: Green / Red = Green / Amber Amber / Red = Amber / Amber Red / Green = Amber / Green Red / Amber = Amber / Amber Amber / Green = Amber / Green Red / Red = Amber / Amber But don't think this is that important as I have only ever seen one repeater Signal, and it was between Flinders Street and Richmond.
I am much more familiar with Sydney signal aspects than the other states. Sydney’s seemed a lot less complicated. The impression I got about repeater signals were that they were precisely just that - the main signal was out of sight around a curve and the advance repeater showed precisely the same combination of colours as the hidden signal. It was an advance warning of the concealed signal is. As such being a repeater, if the signal were at red, the repeater could be passed at stop but the driver, knowing where the main signal was, would adjust the speed of the train to comply with the main signal. The only ambiguity which I came across was that the indication for a turnout was yellow over yellow. I was in the cab of a 46 class pulling the Indian Pacific and the driver heading towards Ashfield got green over yellow, which normally meant the next signal was green over red which would be cause to slow down. The green over yellow was just an advance warning which required no direct action immediately. However green over yellow in this case meant that the next signal in fact was yellow over yellow and the Ashfield junctions were approached somewhat faster than desirable. A sudden brake applications slowed the loco a bit, but we went through the facing turnout a bit faster than desired, but it would have been down to speed for the passenger cars. I’ll also save your notes for possible future re-use if somebody asks.
Yeah, I have heard that the Green over Yellow indication was a bit ambiguous, I guess that is why they now use feather light repeaters to warn of an approaching turnout (the Green over Yellow signal in a lot of cases now has a diagonal row of lights (or a bar) to warn if it is referring to an upcoming Turnout). But I also heard somewhere that it is possible to get a Yellow on Red Turnout indication immediately after a Green on Yellow as well? I think that would be dangerous. I think a Medium Turnout should always be preceded by a Medium and a Caution Turnout preceded by a Caution. Then they just need more widespread use of the feather indicators. Thanks for copying my notes! I hope it will help you to spread the information about Melbourne's signalling system. I do find Melbourne's system a little strange, but it me it makes a lot of sense. The only thing that does worry me a bit, is: In Sydney there is is always a warning of at least two signals before a red, but in Melbourne there is quite often only one, but oh well, it seems to work for them. Anyway cheers!
I could be wrong on this but quite a few years ago there was a serious derailment near North Strathfield I think it was. I can’t remember all the circumstances but again I think a driver towards Strathfield got a green over yellow followed by a double yellow turnout which was entered very much too fast with disastrous results. Possibly after that the feather indications arrived. The extra warning for red signals in Sydney may be related to the greater existence of long continuous hills where it is much more difficult to stop a train on a downgrade, especially in the wet. But I left New South Wales in 1987, the last cab ride was probably the last Red Set day in 1992 so I really have no knowledge about developments since then. I’ll save this one also. Thanks.
Yeah, too cold too much of the time. I lived in Melbourne for 7 years to work on the trams but the GC is a much warmer place in ‘winter’. Anyway glad the video brought back some memories.
@@tressteleg1 My parents still live there and as an Essendon member I go down a few times a year. My next trip is next month where I'll get to film the new skyrail.
For a few years my train driver has been compiling videos of most of the level crossing worksites and when he sends me completed views I will be producing Driver’s View videos of Before, During and After scenes of each job. They got rid of their road crossings and gained a monstrosity.
Brisbane Public Transport Vlogs I hope You're trip isn't planned for December, most of Sky Rail and especially the parts past Westall will be closed for the entire month until the 23rd.
Looks flat and dry. It must low rainfall out there. Some of it looks like Iraq. Roads, cars, factories, grey land, no wonder the east of Melbourne grew so much faster. Gets nicer as you approach werribee tho. At least you get some trees. But from Newport to Aircraft and beyond... wow. I remember as a kid seeing a little blue and yellow rail motor at Spencer st. That was the werribee train. We, in our high class south-east had the red rattler. Actually even older than the rail motor, that was about 1980 and our trains were built in the 20s.
Yes, the south, north and west do look somewhat desolate. My Driver’s View video Ginifer to Sunbury also shows a lot of flat open grassland which could be anywhere in the centre of the state as well. It’s not very appealing for housing. Some electrification took place much later than we would have expected.
Firstly, the driver should know the tracks well and also remember where he is going in his train. Different colour signal combinations tell him if he is staying straight or turning off. If the signal is set the wrong he should be able to stop the train before it goes the wrong way. As a former Melbourne tram driver, we set the points ourselves. Sometimes we had to get out and change them by hand as the equipment did not respond to a change request, and sometimes we made a mistake but the rules said you must stop at facing points and look to see the blades were set the right way and not jammed with anything. But most tram drivers at least once in their career forgot which way they should be going and chose the wrong direction and went that way. I certainly did that! Even today when watching train and tram videos I automatically look at the point blades to see which way they are set.
Very rarely, if at all; I've only ever seen it happen once in my time riding the Metro, and that was years ago prior to the various timetable changes. These days (AFAIK) all SDM/SBY-bound trains skip SKN, and SKN not listed in the PTV timetable. I doubt it will stop at SKN again, save for any track-related issues; the Metro Tunnel begins just to the east of SKN, so I can only surmise that joining track will become redundant upon the Tunnel's completion.
I can't really add any more to the last comment, all of 3 years ago! Wonder if @Paul Perrottet is related to our new Premier here in NSW? Thanks again for a great trip.
Our driver has taken a series of videos Before and During the construction work of most of these projects. When he is able to send me After scenes of each stage, you will see those interesting videos right here as soon as each one is available.
I am not a driver. It is a friend who does the videoing, sometimes with my camera but mostly with his own. While I can generally recognise the sounds of a Comeng train, I know absolutely nothing about the two new types. When I know what sort of train we are riding, I put that in the video but often I don’t know. I don’t live in Melbourne. The Upfield line will appear in a week or two.
Thanks for the effort you put into uploading these videos! I'm looking forward to future uploads, especially the pakenham or cranbourne line, when you get ahold of them of course!
@@tressteleg1 This is my line, dude. They used to do the Altona loop during off peek and on weekends. They also used to stop all stations during the same. They must have changed it.
I remember when they extended the Altona line from Altona stn to laverton stn. My grandparents used to live on railway st south in Altona. I can still remember sitting on the train from westona stn and we rode it to werribee stn and back. Possibly a comeng. Simple times, simple pleasures!
I was not living in Melbourne at the time the Altona line was extended, but it certainly works well now with the all stops to Laverton and the fast Werribee trains on the old mainline.
@@tressteleg1 Altona stn was the terminus. The werribee line was electrified in the early 80s. The masts holding up the wiring was a design used during that time.
Whats funny is watching this on double speed, this train is still going achingly slow! Is there like a 30km/h speed limit there. Also even by Kiwi standards, the infrastructure looks very 1911 along with the red brick Mulga Bill style stations.
Parts of this may be slow but the train would have been doing 100km/h most of the time between Newport and Laverton. Camera zoom can make rides look slower. Melbourne does not usually replace stations just because they look old. Some may be heritage listed so have to stay.
I hope this helps. It works like this Green / Red: Full speed ahead. Amber / Red: Full speed but prepare to stop at next signal. Amber / Green: Be going no greater than 40 km/h by next signal Red / Green: Line clear but go no faster than 40 km/h. Red / Amber: Go no faster than 40 km/h and expect to stop at next signal. Red / Red: Stop. Any signal with Red on top (except red on red) is known as a "medium speed signal" and a driver will always receive warning of an upcoming "medium speed signal" with the Amber on green signal (called "proceed to medium speed") In areas with high signal density, to give extra warning of an approaching red, this is the order of signals they use First signal: Green / Red. 2nd: Amber / Green 3rd: Red / Amber 4th: Red / Red (stop) This is why at the start of the video, the signals were clearing in this order. There are also a couple more indications that aren't really worth mentioning because you never see them (but I'll do it anyway) Amber / Amber (only used for repeat signals (I am pretty sure this means the same thing as the proceed to medium speed signal)) Green / Amber (only use for repeat signals (means full speed ahead from what I gather (but I may be wrong))) Red / Red / Amber (close up/shunt signal, used when the block ahead of the train is occupied but a signaller allows the train to continue into it with caution)
F confirms that the points ahead are set for Footscray. My driver did not say what other letters meant individually, but drivers use the indicated letter to confirm that the points are set for the correct destination.
As Frankston is part of the level crossing removal project, some ‘Before’ scenes are already on hand. When the project is complete, and my driver has a chance to take video, ‘After’ scenes will be added on and videos will be made up showing the stages of the works. Unfortunately we will have to wait for all this to happen. At this time I don’t have video of the entire line.
By the sound of it, you suffer such delays far more frequently than should be happening. To date, I have received no videos with a serious delay in it. If any were recorded, I expect that they don’t get passed on to me. One thing that I must be mindful of is that if any unusual occurrence is recorded and is at all obvious on the finished video, this could make it easier for management to track down the driver, if they are trying to do that. Guarding his anonymity comes ahead of all else.
I ADORE your uploads, and I understand you don't have the control in recording them, but I'll ask anyway. Do you reckon you could post videos in 1080p or above?
At Southern Cross I wrote it in full... (23 seconds edited out), this being the amount of time the train was stopped at the station. Viewers get bored very quickly so I cut out the stopped time at stations and anywhere else.
@@tressteleg1 Do you ride the older Comeng Models? They do have that small window you can peak through. + Also, Werribee line has changed a lot as there are 2 high capacity trains covered in blue sheets.
Henry Lu I really ride trains on my visit to Melbourne. It’s only on altercations I might have reason to go somewhere. I prefer comments trains because of their sounds. I will look out for those peep holes.
The nationwide Rail Safety Act clearly says ‘no electronic devices in the cab’. No doubt to stop drivers chatting or texting on phones while going along. As it does not exclude cameras... Your other comments are appreciated.
I suppose it takes all kinds to see beauty in the eyes of something so noisy and smelly. There must be few places on earth that still use diesel rail motors for fairly intensive outer suburban services.
In this case my video camera rode with my driver-friend. I was with ‘the rabble’. Most Driver’s View videos are recorded by him on his camera. Aesthetically I have no particular favourite line but the Alamein line has some appeal. Operationally, the express running on much of the Werribee line, fairly rare in Melbourne, would put it near the top of the list.
tressteleg1 I think the Alamein line is a pain as it does not run express trains because it is so short and only has 2 tracks most of the way. That means while riding an express on a line like the Belgrave or Lilydale line is quick the Alamein line is just slow
I think the limit may be 115. Another place is the last few stations towards Sunbury. Keillor Plains to Watergardens is 110, to Sunbury is 115. There are rumours that eventually the last bit of Mernda will become faster one day but that is not assured. I’m not sure of anywhere else. Unfortunately maximum speed boards are not installed as drivers have to learn the limits for each line. All these limits are a bit weak when you consider that on the narrow gauge Brisbane lines, 140km/h is required on the Springfield and Gold Coast lines, possibly others as well.
@@tressteleg1 aaah right. I've driven along side the train and it was in the 110-115 area i reckon. I think years ago it might have been the only stretch of track to have that speed, but other lines have extended since then. From what I understand normally narrow gauge tracks reduce the speed, so I'm guessing they probably have better quality tracks perhaps?
Re narrow gauge speeds, the track has to be to a higher standard as derailments happen more easily on just ordinary track. Thus I guess we could say that on average Brisbane electrified track is maintained to a higher standard than Melbourne as it is a lot harder to throw a broad gauge train off the track.
@@tressteleg1 Cool. It does make sense. It's interesting to be able to see the oscillation of the train at higher speeds. You can really see it in this video. The train going faster than the limit could be interesting!
Any oscillation is almost certainly caused by substandard track. I was riding that train to Werribee but my camera was with the driver. I seem to recall him telling me that the Comeng was battling to reach the speed limit so certainly could not exceed it. Newer trains could but with data recording of all speeds reached by the train, drivers dare not try to exceed the speed limits for fear of retribution.
Thanks. I read about Mobiltown and checked the video a couple of times looking for spread apart tracks or some other trace of it but saw nothing so made no reference to it. The other two ex-stations were obvious.
From the info I found on the web, its exact location was not very precise. It could well be that industries in the area are gone leaving the place looking barer.
@@tressteleg1 mobiltown was on the Altona line just as it branches off the werribee line. Check any melways prior to around the early to mid 80s. You can find all old melways online at the Melbourne University website. Just type in 'melways Melbourne University' on Google.
Hey greenies, how is your beloved renewables going to provide the base load power requirements to run a train like this? Let alone the entire rail network?
Exactly. And Victoria and South Australia seem to be the leaders in shutting down reliable coal power stations and replacing them with who knows what? At least Queensland has not been shutting down power stations willy-nilly and according to ABC News last night has the lowest mark up profit by energy retailers.
Why hasn't VIC Rail got HST to the country towns by now. It'll be easily done, look how straight & flat the tracks are. I'm not talking 160 K's I'm saying 300 K's Vic is the 2nd most people in OZ. So why aren't they rebuilding there tracks for high speed. There's long distance between stations, so you would think they would off brought faster EMU's as will.
I don’t know whether Geelong would warrant high-speed trains but certainly the line is straight enough. Ballarat and Bendigo might not be as easy. Nevertheless if Victoria had the same approach as New South Wales, those 3 cities would have had a electric trains many decades ago. Still fooling around with rail motors is a sick joke in my opinion.
@@soulsphere9242 Yes, you're right about country Victoria not needing high speed rail, infrastructure investment would not be justified by returns. Better to increase frequency, as with the Geelong line. There are now over 100 trains a day on that line, half in each direction. This has increased patronage greatly, and the peak trains are overcrowded.
If you mean they put you to sleep, you are not the only one. I review each of my videos on my big screen TV before publishing it on RUclips, and almost without fail they get me nodding off to sleep 🥱😴
Is it just me, or do these tracks look in really poor condition (especially compared to other cities around the country). There seem to be so many bumps and sections of track that have plenty of large kinks.
I would not describe the tracks as being in ‘really poor condition’ as there are other places which fall far shorter of the mark! Generally tracks around Sydney and Brisbane are better 😄
I think that's probably an optical illusion from the camera as most of these tracks have been upgraded in more recent years to use concrete sleepers instead of the old wooden sleepers. Many of the tracks are now also solid-welded instead of having gaps because the concrete sleepers don't allow the rails to buckle in the heat.
I can only post what my driver does for me and to date I have nothing on Lilydale. And obviously if he doesn’t drive a train on that line in daylight, nothing can happen. Wait and see.
Yes, I was impressed by that as well. Express runs in Melbourne are pretty weak compared with Sydney, but this line is fine. Too bad you lost your direct connection to Geelong.
I remember years ago whenever I would go up to Geelong, the train would used to go through Werribee few years before the Regional Rail Link was introduced. True story.
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😊😄 One thing needing to be done in Sydney is to shorten travel times. A prime example is that decades ago when the only trains were underpowered red single deck trains, normal time North Sydney to Central was 10 minutes. Now, our faster much more powerful trains take 14 minutes, even at quiet times. Not good.
That would explain a lot. I recently bought a BenQ computer monitor, what seemed like the best available, and sometimes when I check one of my videos on it, the video quality seems just okay. But when I live stream it through to my OLED TV, that’s when I really see how much detail there is, or is not, in a video. I would not assume much from the quality of any mobile phone. Image is too small anyway.
It's a good journey out there for train appreators on one of most flattest trip on the Melbourne system. Interesting trip for Train buffs,not that much to look at,but still a good trip.🚉🇦🇺
Great video. Lots of detailed information on the track and infrastructure and shot on a very good weather day. Keep up the good work.
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😊. Good timing. I’m in Melbourne city centre, 1:30 pm Sunday and it is CROWDED with people. Just a normal Sunday but under 70°
I hardly recognised a lot of the line as it's 40+ years since I was a firemen at South Dynon.Great videos.
Slightly out of touch, eh? I guess after watching this you are ready to work the road again. 😄
Ha ha. Nearly 70.I'll let you young ones do it.
Enjoying videos from Canada. I traveled all over Australia by train for a month in May 1987. Line to Adelaide was broad gauge then. I remember triple-gauge track in Peterborough S.A.
I’m happy to stir up your memories, but so much has changed since 1987. I’m sure the triple gauge track has gone but google earth may show you what is there now.
Nice video this is one of my favourite videos from you. The Section from Newport to Laverton On the express line is one of my favourites
Yes that section from Newport is a nice little raceway. There will probably be another Melbourne train video published late Friday afternoon..
If I understand the lights correctly, the lower light pertains to the part of the track immediately ahead while the upper light pertains to further along, but if the upper light is amber or green and the lower light is red, then the upper light is the one the driver needs to pay attention to.
I know. I don't really understand it either. O.o
If you look right next to the track as the train approaches each light, you'll see the box beside the track which operates the automatic emergency stop system, and if you pause you might be able to see the metal "shoe" attached to the side of the box. This shoe is raised if the signal is at stop, or if there is a fault in the signal system. If the train goes past while the shoe is raised, the shoe hits a lever on the train which releases the air from the brake system, forcing the train to go into emergency stop. The driver can only override it after the train has already stopped, by getting out and using a tool (which can be as simple as a lump of wood) to move the lever back to the closed position.
I don’t know much about the meaning of the different light arrangements but standard full speed ahead is green over red. The red is usually a single fixed lamp. However red over green means something entirely different, not to mention other combinations with the occasional yellow thrown in. A Google search would possibly find some explanations.
This kind of signalling is called speed signalling (spacing the trains by altering their speed) as opposed to block signalling (where the trains are spaced by distance). Red over yellow is reduced speed. vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure§ion=signalling
It works like this
Green / Red: Full speed ahead
Amber / Red: Full speed but prepare to stop at next signal
Amber / Green: Be going no greater than 40 km/h by next signal
Red / Green: Line clear but go no faster than 40 km/h
Red / Amber: Go no faster than 40 km/h and expect to stop at next signal
Red / Red: Stop
Any signal with Red on top (except red on red) is known as a "medium speed signal" and a driver will always receive warning of an upcoming "medium speed signal" with the Amber on green signal (called "proceed to medium speed")
In areas with high signal density, (like the beginning of the video) to give extra warning of an approaching red, this is the order of signals they use
First signal: Green / Red
2nd: Amber / Green
3rd: Red / Amber
4th: Red / Red (stop)
This is why at the start of the video, the signals were clearing in this order.
There are also a couple more indications that aren't really worth mentioning because you never see them (but I'll do it anyway)
Amber / Amber (only used for repeat signals (Means the same thing as Amber on Red))
Green / Amber (only use for repeat signals (Means the same thing as Green on Red))
Don't ask me what the point of these two aspects is
Red / Red / Amber (close up/shunt signal, used when the block ahead of the train is occupied but a signaller allows the train to continue into it with caution)
I Iove your videos, you explain everything so the average person can understand, keep them coming.
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Thank You and your train driver friend for these series of drivers view videos, as an enthusiast it's always been a perspective I am keen to see from as many lines as possible and I have spent hours this past couple of weeks in viewing one night then travelling that line as a passenger the following day. PS I read in many of your replies comments about our weather in Melbourne; it's not as bad as you remember! Haha.
Regarding the weather, all I know is that no matter which summer month I go there, I seem to end up freezing for a few days at least.
Anyway I’m pleased that these videos are of interest to you. There can’t be too many people like you who watch the video one day, and ride it the next, which would be a good way to try to understand the line. I suppose you could always watch video as you ride the train!
tressteleg1. You can come to Melbourne in Dec-Jan and bringing a Coat or Jumper is a good idea. It would look funny at the tennis,but not on one of Mebournes fine trains!⛱🌞🌦
Not with the greedy airfares! The cheapest February flight I could find home to my Gold Coast was nearly $300, more than double the flight south. Of course that may reflect where people do and don’t really want to go 😄
Wondering why the Metro stayed with wide gauge. No doubt it was cheaper to make use of what was already there, but somewhere down the line they'll have to start a conversion.
The rural lines with only freight are bit by bit being converted to Standard Gauge to assist transport of freight to other parts of the nation. As electric trains don’t venture much more than 30km from Melbourne, nothing is to be gained from gauge conversion. Rural lines with passenger service are still in the too hard basket except for the standard gauge line north towards Sydney. SG passenger trains are used wholly in Victoria.
Certain lines - namely Melbourne's electric train network and also the Bairnsdale line - are never going to cross the state border anyway, so there is no point electrifying them.
It is great to see the line I used to ride pass when I lived in Lara. Now I actually live on the Werribee line, but I don’t really take trains much more.
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Werribee.. oh gosh haven't been there for 10years.. since living in sandringham.. oh gosh I'm gonna have to visit werribee.. I love the pub near the station.. probably gone by now.. werribee had everything.. shopping.. kfc.. hungry jacks.. McDonald's.. pizza Hut.. dominos.. etc good old Glen street.. been a blast living there for few years.. foreverrrrrrr memories 😥😥
The pub's now refurbished and rebranded as The Park (originally re-opened as The Park Hotel); there's also The Commercial Hotel opposite KFC, and plans to reopen The Bridge Hotel near HJs in 2020.
Fantastic video. I have friends in Lilydale. Echoing nicksalay's request. I have friends in Lilydale. There was a comment about a former track to Geelong. In June 2019 my friend Judy and I took the train from a Geelong station to Melbourne. Great memories!
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I hope the driver wears ear muffs - so noisy! Such a wobbly track - would be murder on the axle boxes. Good to see the front view, though. Thanks for the video.
Well, that’s Melbourne….
Next to the West Gate bridge is an electricity tower with a long rectangle and an upside-down triangle.
That went past Yarraville where i go to the Sun Theatre
I do enjoy your videos. My problem is not learning the lights Id like to know how the heck you all know which track to take when there is multiple tracks to cross and around you? Sometimes I cringe thinking oh my gosh they are going to miss a track or something. :) I know you all know --good thing huh. Thanks for sharing. Keep them coming love them all.
Tramways and railways are totally different. A tram driver must remember where he is going, and set points at facing junction accordingly. While the train driver must also know where he is headed, it is up to the signal box to set up the junctions where they are used. The equipment prevents conflicts with this road setting, and signals automatically prevent 2 trains from colliding. Durning training the driver should have travelled every route a number of times and know basically where the train should be headed a junctions. From the speed indicated by the different light combinations, the driver should realise if the signalman has made a mistake and set the road for another destination. He must stop and then make radio contact if the wrong road has been set up. At no time will the passengers be in any danger. No matter where the train may stop, signals will keep other trains away.
Great vid, Where is the mainline to Geelong now since thats the former? Sorry NSW guy here
Geelong trains and those going further now head west to Sunshine where they then turn left and join the former main line a little bit south of Werribee. Unfortunately the suburban line still ends at Werribee so you need to get a bus across to some new station a few kilometres to the west. Not very smart in my mind. In a week or two I will be doing a drive’s night view Newport to Werribee.
You guys still have the mysterious 3rd rail on the tracks. They have been gone from Sydney trains network for many years now.
If you are talking about a rail between the running rails, these are purely to minimise the divergence of a derailed carriage on curves and bridges. Sydney would still have them as well as does every railway.
Sydney has them
It works like this
Green / Red: Full speed ahead
Amber / Red: Full speed but prepare to stop at next signal
Amber / Green: Be going no greater than 40 km/h by next signal
Red / Green: Line clear but go no faster than 40 km/h
Red / Amber: Go no faster than 40 km/h and expect to stop at next signal
Red / Red: Stop
Any signal with Red on top (except red on red) is known as a "medium speed signal" and a driver will always receive warning of an upcoming "medium speed signal" with the Amber on green signal (called "proceed to medium speed")
In areas with high signal density, (like the beginning of the video) to give extra warning of an approaching red, this is the order of signals they use
First signal: Green / Red
2nd: Amber / Green
3rd: Red / Amber
4th: Red / Red (stop)
This is why at the start of the video, the signals were clearing in this order.
There are also a couple more indications that aren't really worth mentioning because you never see them (but I'll do it anyway)
Amber / Amber (only used for repeat signals (This means the same thing as Amber / Red signal))
Green / Amber (only use for repeat signals (This means the same thing as Green / Red signal))
Don't ask me what the point of these two aspect is.
Red / Red / Amber (close up/shunt signal, used when the block ahead of the train is occupied but a signaller allows the train to continue into it with caution)
Thanks for that comprehensive info. I will permanently save it elsewhere as the question is asked from time to time and I will never remember all those combinations. The order of signal colours in Sydney to me is a lot more logical.
Yes Melbourne system is a bit strange, it has taken influence from America but then has also added some aspects like the Amber/Green.
Also after a bit more research I have some information to add 😀
It is possible to get a medium speed signal after a Amber / Red signal because the Amber / Red is considered "more restrictive" (an Amber / Red expects you to stop at the next signal, an a medium speed indication is less restrictive than a red / red, so it is allow (but still rare).
I would presume the point of the repeat/repeater signals is the same reason Brisbane has the "P" signals.
There are two types of Repeater signals in Brisbane just as there are two in Melbourne.
Brisbane:
A Two aspect Green/Yellow signal (with a "P" plate) is like a distant signal. If it is yellow, the next signal is red, and if it is green the next signal is green.
Then there are the angled light repeaters. A horizontal row of white lights means next Signal red. When they are on a diagonal angle it means yellow, and when they are vertical it means green. These are also used in Sydney and Melbourne (only Melbourne has two sets of light boxes, on on the other)
So with that, I would think that repeater signals are used in Melbourne when the upcoming Signal has limited visibility. Also I think it is possible for a repeater to display a Amber / Green Signal which means the same thing as the regular "proceed to medium speed" Signal.
This is how I think the aspects in repeater signals work:
First aspect is the signal being repeated, second is the repeater's aspect:
Green / Red = Green / Amber
Amber / Red = Amber / Amber
Red / Green = Amber / Green
Red / Amber = Amber / Amber
Amber / Green = Amber / Green
Red / Red = Amber / Amber
But don't think this is that important as I have only ever seen one repeater Signal, and it was between Flinders Street and Richmond.
I am much more familiar with Sydney signal aspects than the other states. Sydney’s seemed a lot less complicated. The impression I got about repeater signals were that they were precisely just that - the main signal was out of sight around a curve and the advance repeater showed precisely the same combination of colours as the hidden signal. It was an advance warning of the concealed signal is. As such being a repeater, if the signal were at red, the repeater could be passed at stop but the driver, knowing where the main signal was, would adjust the speed of the train to comply with the main signal.
The only ambiguity which I came across was that the indication for a turnout was yellow over yellow. I was in the cab of a 46 class pulling the Indian Pacific and the driver heading towards Ashfield got green over yellow, which normally meant the next signal was green over red which would be cause to slow down. The green over yellow was just an advance warning which required no direct action immediately. However green over yellow in this case meant that the next signal in fact was yellow over yellow and the Ashfield junctions were approached somewhat faster than desirable. A sudden brake applications slowed the loco a bit, but we went through the facing turnout a bit faster than desired, but it would have been down to speed for the passenger cars.
I’ll also save your notes for possible future re-use if somebody asks.
Yeah, I have heard that the Green over Yellow indication was a bit ambiguous, I guess that is why they now use feather light repeaters to warn of an approaching turnout (the Green over Yellow signal in a lot of cases now has a diagonal row of lights (or a bar) to warn if it is referring to an upcoming Turnout). But I also heard somewhere that it is possible to get a Yellow on Red Turnout indication immediately after a Green on Yellow as well? I think that would be dangerous. I think a Medium Turnout should always be preceded by a Medium and a Caution Turnout preceded by a Caution. Then they just need more widespread use of the feather indicators. Thanks for copying my notes! I hope it will help you to spread the information about Melbourne's signalling system. I do find Melbourne's system a little strange, but it me it makes a lot of sense. The only thing that does worry me a bit, is: In Sydney there is is always a warning of at least two signals before a red, but in Melbourne there is quite often only one, but oh well, it seems to work for them. Anyway cheers!
I could be wrong on this but quite a few years ago there was a serious derailment near North Strathfield I think it was. I can’t remember all the circumstances but again I think a driver towards Strathfield got a green over yellow followed by a double yellow turnout which was entered very much too fast with disastrous results. Possibly after that the feather indications arrived.
The extra warning for red signals in Sydney may be related to the greater existence of long continuous hills where it is much more difficult to stop a train on a downgrade, especially in the wet.
But I left New South Wales in 1987, the last cab ride was probably the last Red Set day in 1992 so I really have no knowledge about developments since then. I’ll save this one also. Thanks.
I was late catching up with this one. Thanks for the ride.
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Footscray is my old stomping ground as I moved to Brisbane from there. My street was off Barkly St.
Yeah, too cold too much of the time. I lived in Melbourne for 7 years to work on the trams but the GC is a much warmer place in ‘winter’. Anyway glad the video brought back some memories.
@@tressteleg1 My parents still live there and as an Essendon member I go down a few times a year. My next trip is next month where I'll get to film the new skyrail.
For a few years my train driver has been compiling videos of most of the level crossing worksites and when he sends me completed views I will be producing Driver’s View videos of Before, During and After scenes of each job. They got rid of their road crossings and gained a monstrosity.
Brisbane Public Transport Vlogs I hope You're trip isn't planned for December, most of Sky Rail and especially the parts past Westall will be closed for the entire month until the 23rd.
No. Luckily the next trip south will be February. I’ll take a look at these monstrosities.
Catch this line often great to see the view of the driver
With current laws, videos like this are the only way to see the train line ahead.
Does anyone even get on at South Kensington?
Some trains do stop there but I forget which line serves it. A bit like Macdonaldtown in Sydney. Inner city, rarely used.
Great videos of trams and trains. I know a bloke in Melbourne although I live in Scotland.
Maybe you should visit him and take some tram and train rides while here 😊
I'm in Bendigo and usually visit the Heidelberg line, but aren't they taking some of this back to make Geelong faster?
I can’t see how anything on the Heidelberg line could be of any importance to the Geelong line which runs in the opposite direction.
Looks flat and dry. It must low rainfall out there. Some of it looks like Iraq. Roads, cars, factories, grey land, no wonder the east of Melbourne grew so much faster. Gets nicer as you approach werribee tho. At least you get some trees. But from Newport to Aircraft and beyond... wow. I remember as a kid seeing a little blue and yellow rail motor at Spencer st. That was the werribee train. We, in our high class south-east had the red rattler. Actually even older than the rail motor, that was about 1980 and our trains were built in the 20s.
Yes, the south, north and west do look somewhat desolate. My Driver’s View video Ginifer to Sunbury also shows a lot of flat open grassland which could be anywhere in the centre of the state as well. It’s not very appealing for housing. Some electrification took place much later than we would have expected.
Really enjoyed this video. Do you have any footage on the Williamstown line?
Unfortunately Williamstown and Lilydale appear to be the only lines for which I have nothing. Maybe next summer there will be some available.
Great video just want to know when the points change on lines how do you know which way to go has anyone ever gone wrong way or does that never happen
Firstly, the driver should know the tracks well and also remember where he is going in his train. Different colour signal combinations tell him if he is staying straight or turning off. If the signal is set the wrong he should be able to stop the train before it goes the wrong way.
As a former Melbourne tram driver, we set the points ourselves. Sometimes we had to get out and change them by hand as the equipment did not respond to a change request, and sometimes we made a mistake but the rules said you must stop at facing points and look to see the blades were set the right way and not jammed with anything. But most tram drivers at least once in their career forgot which way they should be going and chose the wrong direction and went that way. I certainly did that! Even today when watching train and tram videos I automatically look at the point blades to see which way they are set.
ive been on the ones from bendigo not the metro ones in melb ive seen em before
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At 9:18, is that joining track from South Kensington to the Sunbury bound tracks ever used? (The Siemans was on that Sunbury bound track)
Unfortunately I don’t live in Victoria so I can’t give you an answer.
Very rarely, if at all; I've only ever seen it happen once in my time riding the Metro, and that was years ago prior to the various timetable changes.
These days (AFAIK) all SDM/SBY-bound trains skip SKN, and SKN not listed in the PTV timetable. I doubt it will stop at SKN again, save for any track-related issues; the Metro Tunnel begins just to the east of SKN, so I can only surmise that joining track will become redundant upon the Tunnel's completion.
VarietyAndy 321 I’ve seen it used before in a video on RUclips but I can’t remember what it was
Good to see the railway line and stations.
I have previously done the opposite direction if you have not seen it.
Great Video! It reminded me of the train lines in Rio de Janeiro.
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I can't really add any more to the last comment, all of 3 years ago! Wonder if @Paul Perrottet is related to our new Premier here in NSW? Thanks again for a great trip.
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well the first signal over the viaduct yellow over green /caution/slow speed indication. Come on Punch it
yea thats right and i think the green over red is a normal speed warning
Yes. Green/Red is the best you will get in Melbourne. Sydney it is Green/Green.
Nice high speed ride!! Love the details given. I prefer the sound of electric motors and not the sound and smell of diesel engines.
You would soon complain about the diesel stink at the enclosed Southern Cross station in Melbourne. It used to be Spencer St Station.
@@tressteleg1 Yes I would complaint!!
@@scottyerkes1867 yes but they would do nothing about it.
@@tressteleg1 Of course not.
Hi can you do Caulfield Dandenong sky rail please
Our driver has taken a series of videos Before and During the construction work of most of these projects. When he is able to send me After scenes of each stage, you will see those interesting videos right here as soon as each one is available.
Were you driving a comeng? If so do you have any videos where you were driving the siemen nexas? And nice video btw, a beautiful view!!
I am not a driver. It is a friend who does the videoing, sometimes with my camera but mostly with his own. While I can generally recognise the sounds of a Comeng train, I know absolutely nothing about the two new types. When I know what sort of train we are riding, I put that in the video but often I don’t know. I don’t live in Melbourne. The Upfield line will appear in a week or two.
Thanks for the effort you put into uploading these videos! I'm looking forward to future uploads, especially the pakenham or cranbourne line, when you get ahold of them of course!
I'm guessing this is the weekday express given how many stations were skipped and the fact the Altona loop wasn't taken.
I gather that this is the normal stopping pattern on weekdays. Check the Metro timetable.
@@tressteleg1 Like I said - the weekday express. Runs during peek times.
They run like that all day. Stop guessing and read the darn timetable.
@@tressteleg1 This is my line, dude. They used to do the Altona loop during off peek and on weekends. They also used to stop all stations during the same. They must have changed it.
Clarrisani you have services to Laverton that service the Altona loop
Frankston, Currum station closure between 20th July and Early 2020's
Thank you for keeping me up to date.
I remember when they extended the Altona line from Altona stn to laverton stn. My grandparents used to live on railway st south in Altona. I can still remember sitting on the train from westona stn and we rode it to werribee stn and back. Possibly a comeng. Simple times, simple pleasures!
I was not living in Melbourne at the time the Altona line was extended, but it certainly works well now with the all stops to Laverton and the fast Werribee trains on the old mainline.
@@tressteleg1 Altona stn was the terminus. The werribee line was electrified in the early 80s. The masts holding up the wiring was a design used during that time.
Yes I knew it was the terminus but have no idea when it was extended through but could look it up with Google if I need to 😊
The speed limit near south Kensington is actually 80km/h
How do you know?
@@planetx1595 Cause its the speed that a Metro train would do on a suburban rail line.
Whats funny is watching this on double speed, this train is still going achingly slow! Is there like a 30km/h speed limit there. Also even by Kiwi standards, the infrastructure looks very 1911 along with the red brick Mulga Bill style stations.
Parts of this may be slow but the train would have been doing 100km/h most of the time between Newport and Laverton. Camera zoom can make rides look slower. Melbourne does not usually replace stations just because they look old. Some may be heritage listed so have to stay.
Again thediffernt Victorian signals , but on this run there were a few similar to NSW
I hope this helps.
It works like this
Green / Red: Full speed ahead.
Amber / Red: Full speed but prepare to stop at next signal.
Amber / Green: Be going no greater than 40 km/h by next signal Red / Green: Line clear but go no faster than 40 km/h.
Red / Amber: Go no faster than 40 km/h and expect to stop at next signal.
Red / Red: Stop.
Any signal with Red on top (except red on red) is known as a "medium speed signal" and a driver will always receive warning of an upcoming "medium speed signal" with the Amber on green signal (called "proceed to medium speed")
In areas with high signal density, to give extra warning of an approaching red, this is the order of signals they use
First signal: Green / Red.
2nd: Amber / Green
3rd: Red / Amber
4th: Red / Red (stop)
This is why at the start of the video, the signals were clearing in this order. There are also a couple more indications that aren't really worth mentioning because you never see them (but I'll do it anyway)
Amber / Amber (only used for repeat signals (I am pretty sure this means the same thing as the proceed to medium speed signal)) Green / Amber (only use for repeat signals (means full speed ahead from what I gather (but I may be wrong)))
Red / Red / Amber (close up/shunt signal, used when the block ahead of the train is occupied but a signaller allows the train to continue into it with caution)
what does the F mean on the signal departing nth melbourne ive noticed all other services departing nth melbourne have all different Letters
F confirms that the points ahead are set for Footscray. My driver did not say what other letters meant individually, but drivers use the indicated letter to confirm that the points are set for the correct destination.
@@tressteleg1 awesome mate thanks for letting me know
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I saw that the train has skipped many station, Is it an express service?
Yes. The first section is the old main line for country trains. All stations to Laverton goes via Altona, a separate video of mine.
good job thanks mate
Any chance you can show Caulfield Frankston
As Frankston is part of the level crossing removal project, some ‘Before’ scenes are already on hand. When the project is complete, and my driver has a chance to take video, ‘After’ scenes will be added on and videos will be made up showing the stages of the works. Unfortunately we will have to wait for all this to happen. At this time I don’t have video of the entire line.
At 16:15 - can't believe it doesn't say "30 minutes edited out due to track systems fault at Newport"
By the sound of it, you suffer such delays far more frequently than should be happening.
To date, I have received no videos with a serious delay in it. If any were recorded, I expect that they don’t get passed on to me.
One thing that I must be mindful of is that if any unusual occurrence is recorded and is at all obvious on the finished video, this could make it easier for management to track down the driver, if they are trying to do that. Guarding his anonymity comes ahead of all else.
I ADORE your uploads, and I understand you don't have the control in recording them, but I'll ask anyway.
Do you reckon you could post videos in 1080p or above?
I would like to but without NBN it took all night to upload the 2.36 Gb. 1080 would have been twice as long 😡
i liked the part where the train was moving
Well that must be the whole video as I take out the bits where the train was not moving.😄
There is numbers with the word sec out could you explain what this means
At Southern Cross I wrote it in full... (23 seconds edited out), this being the amount of time the train was stopped at the station. Viewers get bored very quickly so I cut out the stopped time at stations and anywhere else.
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Great video . How are you able to get footage in all these cabs of the trains . Do you ride in the cab a lot?
Riding in the cab is forbidden. Usually the driver risks his job by taking his own camera along.
@@tressteleg1 Do you ride the older Comeng Models? They do have that small window you can peak through.
+ Also, Werribee line has changed a lot as there are 2 high capacity trains covered in blue sheets.
Henry Lu I really ride trains on my visit to Melbourne. It’s only on altercations I might have reason to go somewhere. I prefer comments trains because of their sounds. I will look out for those peep holes.
@@tressteleg1 Great video. Just wondering what would be the reason to fire the driver for taking footage of the trip?
The nationwide Rail Safety Act clearly says ‘no electronic devices in the cab’. No doubt to stop drivers chatting or texting on phones while going along. As it does not exclude cameras...
Your other comments are appreciated.
I love southern cross station
I suppose it takes all kinds to see beauty in the eyes of something so noisy and smelly. There must be few places on earth that still use diesel rail motors for fairly intensive outer suburban services.
tressteleg1 I have 2 questions: where did this footage come from? and what is your favourite line?
In this case my video camera rode with my driver-friend. I was with ‘the rabble’. Most Driver’s View videos are recorded by him on his camera.
Aesthetically I have no particular favourite line but the Alamein line has some appeal. Operationally, the express running on much of the Werribee line, fairly rare in Melbourne, would put it near the top of the list.
tressteleg1 I think the Alamein line is a pain as it does not run express trains because it is so short and only has 2 tracks most of the way. That means while riding an express on a line like the Belgrave or Lilydale line is quick the Alamein line is just slow
Spencer Street Station*
I believe it's going to get renamed back to that soon?
After Williams Landing the speed is 110km/h, is that right? Is that the only stretch on the network that has that speed?
I think the limit may be 115. Another place is the last few stations towards Sunbury. Keillor Plains to Watergardens is 110, to Sunbury is 115. There are rumours that eventually the last bit of Mernda will become faster one day but that is not assured. I’m not sure of anywhere else. Unfortunately maximum speed boards are not installed as drivers have to learn the limits for each line.
All these limits are a bit weak when you consider that on the narrow gauge Brisbane lines, 140km/h is required on the Springfield and Gold Coast lines, possibly others as well.
@@tressteleg1 aaah right. I've driven along side the train and it was in the 110-115 area i reckon. I think years ago it might have been the only stretch of track to have that speed, but other lines have extended since then.
From what I understand normally narrow gauge tracks reduce the speed, so I'm guessing they probably have better quality tracks perhaps?
Re narrow gauge speeds, the track has to be to a higher standard as derailments happen more easily on just ordinary track. Thus I guess we could say that on average Brisbane electrified track is maintained to a higher standard than Melbourne as it is a lot harder to throw a broad gauge train off the track.
@@tressteleg1 Cool. It does make sense. It's interesting to be able to see the oscillation of the train at higher speeds. You can really see it in this video. The train going faster than the limit could be interesting!
Any oscillation is almost certainly caused by substandard track.
I was riding that train to Werribee but my camera was with the driver.
I seem to recall him telling me that the Comeng was battling to reach the speed limit so certainly could not exceed it.
Newer trains could but with data recording of all speeds reached by the train, drivers dare not try to exceed the speed limits for fear of retribution.
That only ran express
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Great camera and editing work as always tressteleg1...Is there still a station called Mobiltown on that side of town?
Thanks. I read about Mobiltown and checked the video a couple of times looking for spread apart tracks or some other trace of it but saw nothing so made no reference to it. The other two ex-stations were obvious.
I kind of remember it being on the Werribee line, about where the freight train's parked, seems to be more open space out there than I remember.
From the info I found on the web, its exact location was not very precise. It could well be that industries in the area are gone leaving the place looking barer.
@@tressteleg1 mobiltown was on the Altona line just as it branches off the werribee line. Check any melways prior to around the early to mid 80s. You can find all old melways online at the Melbourne University website. Just type in 'melways Melbourne University' on Google.
Mick Man Thanks, lived out in the Eastern suburbs but remember it being a busy industrial station.
Hey greenies, how is your beloved renewables going to provide the base load power requirements to run a train like this? Let alone the entire rail network?
Exactly. And Victoria and South Australia seem to be the leaders in shutting down reliable coal power stations and replacing them with who knows what? At least Queensland has not been shutting down power stations willy-nilly and according to ABC News last night has the lowest mark up profit by energy retailers.
@@tressteleg1 Ask Hazelwood about their power station.
Liquid salt collectors. Off the shelf technology. Tootles.
Why hasn't VIC Rail got HST to the country towns by now. It'll be easily done, look how straight & flat the tracks are. I'm not talking 160 K's I'm saying 300 K's Vic is the 2nd most people in OZ. So why aren't they rebuilding there tracks for high speed. There's long distance between stations, so you would think they would off brought faster EMU's as will.
I don’t know whether Geelong would warrant high-speed trains but certainly the line is straight enough. Ballarat and Bendigo might not be as easy. Nevertheless if Victoria had the same approach as New South Wales, those 3 cities would have had a electric trains many decades ago. Still fooling around with rail motors is a sick joke in my opinion.
@@soulsphere9242 Yes, you're right about country Victoria not needing high speed rail, infrastructure investment would not be justified by returns. Better to increase frequency, as with the Geelong line. There are now over 100 trains a day on that line, half in each direction. This has increased patronage greatly, and the peak trains are overcrowded.
Colin Wilkie there’s a proposal in the next 30 years for high speed to Geelong
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Where was N462 headed?
No idea but guessing, maybe Warrnambool as I don’t think VLocity trains go there. Maybe a Melburnian will help out.
tressteleg1 I know for a fact it wasn’t in the right positioning for an Albury service
Well, clearly.... The Standard Gauge tracks are on the far side of the station and it is pointing the wrong was for places beyond Dandenong.
Why doesn’t s-cross just have 1 type of track, standard
If you really want to know why 2 gauges are there, I suggest you do an internet search for history of Australian railway gauges.
is it bad that i treat these as asmr videos
If you mean they put you to sleep, you are not the only one. I review each of my videos on my big screen TV before publishing it on RUclips, and almost without fail they get me nodding off to sleep 🥱😴
Is it just me, or do these tracks look in really poor condition (especially compared to other cities around the country). There seem to be so many bumps and sections of track that have plenty of large kinks.
I would not describe the tracks as being in ‘really poor condition’ as there are other places which fall far shorter of the mark! Generally tracks around Sydney and Brisbane are better 😄
I think that's probably an optical illusion from the camera as most of these tracks have been upgraded in more recent years to use concrete sleepers instead of the old wooden sleepers. Many of the tracks are now also solid-welded instead of having gaps because the concrete sleepers don't allow the rails to buckle in the heat.
Yeah Melbourne does have worse tracks than Sydney and brisbane
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best played at x2
On the odd occasion that I watch something similar by other people, that is what I do too. Just don’t complain that my captions are too short!
Fun fact Werribee is just out of Melbourne
You think it’s close, do you? I would hate to be dragged that far by my hair!
Ikr
do a flinders st to lilydale
I can only post what my driver does for me and to date I have nothing on Lilydale. And obviously if he doesn’t drive a train on that line in daylight, nothing can happen. Wait and see.
Track looks very uneven and the ride looks rough.
Much of Melbourne’s junctions are rough. Generally the rest is quite OK. The suction cup mount for the camera exaggerates the shaking.
Limited Express service?
Yes, I was impressed by that as well. Express runs in Melbourne are pretty weak compared with Sydney, but this line is fine. Too bad you lost your direct connection to Geelong.
@@tressteleg1 I went to Geelong via the Regional Rail Link last year.
Yes but you did not catch it at Werribee Railway Station. You would have had to find your way to that new station to the west.
@@tressteleg1 Oh.
I remember years ago whenever I would go up to Geelong, the train would used to go through Werribee few years before the Regional Rail Link was introduced. True story.
Werribee line Melbourne | Express between North Melbourne and Laverton.
Not bad for Melbourne!
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I suppose that you liked it a little bit??😆
@@tressteleg1 Tom from Hungary.
Welcome from so far away. I was in your interesting country a few times around 1990 and you will see my videos in the link below, if not already seen.
Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
ruclips.net/p/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ
Melbourne's railways are shit compared to Sydney's
😊😄 One thing needing to be done in Sydney is to shorten travel times. A prime example is that decades ago when the only trains were underpowered red single deck trains, normal time North Sydney to Central was 10 minutes. Now, our faster much more powerful trains take 14 minutes, even at quiet times. Not good.
Blurry video 👎
Well don’t bother watching it. I’m sure it will look good on a decent OLED TV.
@@tressteleg1 I watched it on RUclips on my phone 😏
That would explain a lot. I recently bought a BenQ computer monitor, what seemed like the best available, and sometimes when I check one of my videos on it, the video quality seems just okay. But when I live stream it through to my OLED TV, that’s when I really see how much detail there is, or is not, in a video. I would not assume much from the quality of any mobile phone. Image is too small anyway.
I hate trains
Well don’t waste your time watching any of my videos.
It's a good journey out there for train appreators on one of most flattest trip on the Melbourne system. Interesting trip for Train buffs,not that much to look at,but still a good trip.🚉🇦🇺
True. Sunbury is another fairly flat line with fast speeds, just rural countryside to look at.