How Much Weighted Pull-up Is Required to Achieve the Muscle-up?
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2022
- I decided to find out how much weighted pull up is required to achieve the muscle up through a data driven approach. Check it out!
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I think requiring video evidence just makes this way too much effort for most people. I get that as a youtuber you do this all the time but there is just no way in hell I am setting up a camera to film myself in the gym or asking someone to do it for me for that matter. I think it'd be better to keep it simple, stick to numbers, and when sifting through mark suspicious entries and outliers.
@@noone-ld7pt data integrity would be really hard otherwise
My weight is 56 kg i can do weigted pullups with 11 kg weight , 7 repitations ?
So how much bodyweight % is that for me?
Like how much% weight I'm pulling?
I think your should use every data for the training algorithm , e. g. bodyweight too. It is a good experiment, but I think it is really hard to find a precise value. E.g. If I do squat, I will have more muscles on my legs, which is not useful for the muscle up. And squat muscles are basically bodyweight. So I need even more on the shoulders to counter balance the ballast muscles. In ideal cases the person who can do the muscle up has a good upper body, with relative "low" lower body and a low overall bodyweight and a low body fat value.
Would also love a similar test for the One arm pull up! Would probably be alot harder to find enough people locally but the crowdsourcing idea should work!
I second this!
Yeah and front lever, or maybe full planche with a other exercise
I think the main problem for doing a similar test for the one arm pull up is that the assumption of the correlation coefficient between the one arm pull up and weighted pull up being close to 1 like the situation of the muscle up and weighted pull up most likely isn't true, so it will be harder to infer the data and draw conclusions.
@@noone-ld7pt yeah what i see around me and on myself too that 60% should be correct
I think Matthew Zlat, who excels at both OAP and weighted pullups put a prerequisite of being able to pullup %50 of bw for 5-6 reps before you start training for OAP. Maybe that helps.
Ajani is a beast. Don't think I've ever seen anyone pull double their body weight on a pullup. Impressive!
He did 105% not 200%. Why did you think it was double? Am i missing something? Double would have been 300 pounds. 153+153=306. Am i mistaken?
@@wellutopia2237 he pulled his weight (100%)+ the added weight(105%) which equates to 205% of his body weight which is twice his body weight.
@@ratman1201 yeah if you google 100% body weight pull up. Elite calisthenics athletes are pulling their body weight. 200% would have been 300 pounds on top of his body weight. 156+156. This is not 200% aka double.
@@wellutopia2237 Get a life geek
@@wellutopia2237 Math must not be your forte. He didn't say anything about a percent pullup (which frankly, is just semantics). He said he's pulling double his body weight. Bro weighs 153 lbs and he strapped on an additional 160 lbs for a total of 313 lbs. That's more than double his body weight he's pulling.
I was part of a calisthenics club like this in college and it’s almost like a way smaller unique community like climbing so it was cool to see them all get to be part of a big youtuber’s video and show their skills
bruh where do I find a calisthenics club. in my country barely anyone does calisthenics let alone there being a whole club in universities
Dudes be doing muscle up 360 over there. I saw a dude doing maltese in my college
Fun fact : I just recently (2-3 weeks ago) was able to do a single clean muscle-up (no kipping), and my 1 rep max on the pull-up falls in the 50%-55% range of my bodyweight.
im nowhere near that level but thank you for that
It seems as though you can say pulling about 50% of your own bodyweight extra is a indicator to a clean muscle up
I do 3 muscles ups but with keeping, my max 1 rep is +35% of body weight. I'm begginer+ but I'm still grinding to clean muscle ups, human flag and the final goal this year one arm pull up
Enjoyed seeing how supportive everyone is of each other in this video.
I think the main critique I'd have is a lot of the participants could have easily done more than one muscle-up, so comparing a 1RM weighted pull-up doesn't tell us too much. For example, in the case of Andrey, his muscle-up was a 1RM, so using his 1RM weighted pull-up as a proxy was more accurate IMO. I think the best way to design it would be to have everyone do AMRAP muscle-ups and then match those reps for he max test (eg if someone could do 5 muscle-ups in a row, then test their 5RM weighted pull-ups). And ideally they'd have a good amount of rest in between the two sets, possibly even 24h-48h if possible.
Nice critique!
My thoughts exactly.
That's what I was thinking. Half of those guys put in less effort for their muscle-up than their 1RM weighted pull-up
Nice opinión, but you could also tell their MU strenght due to how easy they perform their first rep
As a scientifist I absolutely agree. But purely as a viewer interested in getting a subjective guesstimate of the correlation I'm pretty happy with geek's experimental design :)
It was a pleasure to be a part of this study ❤
This is a super sick video. Live the analysis and the exercise. Probably the best exercise investigative video ever.
Love it, you're all amazing people and keep up the great pulls.
What I really loved a bout this video is that it gave me a very concrete strenght goal to work towards before starting muscle up specific training. It makes it seem a lot more attainable!
I am not quite sure about that.
For me this numbers do not work.
People in this video were all very lightweight and usually calisthenic people do not train legs properly.
Iweigh around 80kg, which is 175lbs. My max pull up is 95kg x 4, so maybe i could do a 1 rep max pull up with 100kg, or 105kg tops!
My rep max is far away from 150% body weight, but in contrary i have very heavy legs (because i have a powerlifting background).
I have just about enough strength to do a more or less clean muscle up on the bar (with almost no swing).
@xIPsychox I'd say the muscle up isn't just about pure strength but power, so we need to take into account the speed at which you're able to pull yourself up. Training your bodyweight pull ups explosively will allow you to use your incredible strength to fly over the bar. You won't be very explosive at first but it's all about intent. Even with weighted pull up.
I use to workout with these guys. They’re all super chill. A very supporting group
Amazing video! I love data science and calisthenics :D amazing to see both topics combined in one vid 😁
Thank you for analysing the data!!!
It helps me to understand what i need to train for ❤
Thank you guys for great job. Ajani is awesome!
Really amazing video! Great job hosting it!
Very nice and easy approach to helping achieve a muscle up. Keep up the good videos and logical approach to work out goals.
You earned yourself a new subscriber with this amazing video!
you are an inspiration eventhough you are not the strongest guy in youtube you undoubtly are one of the cleverest one. You taught me things that has lead to approach my trainings to a scientific knowledge which gives an assurance of what im doing is the thing I have to do to pursue my goals. Sorry for my english and thanks you a lot.
this video was so wholesome and fun had a smile on my face the whole time
Very cool video. Thank you for doing this!
Wow, super fascinating video concept! Combining data + calisthenics is awesome!!! :)))
amazing video! I would like to see one with planche and the military press.
Much Appreciated for your info, awesome video~~
Exactly what I wanted to know. Thx man ✋
Love this! Must've been awesome for the UCSD students to do something so fun w/ an alumni, cheers!
also definitely launch that website !
that was a useful video. thank you!
Makes sense, cool vid. the two barometers I most commonly see used for a weighted pullup are either 50% BW or two plates for reps. good goals to go for.
Cool video!!! Really enjoyed it!!
this is a great video and matches what it took for me to get a muscle up. i am 200lbs and had to get to doing a 100lb weighted pull up for 3 reps to be able to muscle up
Great video, I'm studying statistics and I think that using probabilty and bayes was a nice idea, gj!!
Yes it would be super interesting with bigger datasets and more advanced algorithms!
If this video get 100k+ views, I will spin up the website to collect more data!
@@GeekClimber I want data like this for a bunch of lifts! it would be a really fun open source data science project
@@GeekClimberexactly 100k rn
@@GeekClimber 104k now
ruclips.net/channel/UCdjL64S-IS84HjDhSc6XZ2A time to make that website to collect more data. @geekclimber
Excellent video!
This was great to watch
Ajani is such a beast! seen him in other random videos of calesthenics too crashing the competition lol
Great video n info 👌🏼💪🏽
Excellent info and good effort by ya'll.
Looks like lighter people have the edge!
Thanks.
This is an amazing experiment!
Love the scientific approach you took with this experiment! Really cool video :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was really cool and tracks with what one of the old heads on reddit did a few years ago.
They polled and tested people at their gym that could do a muscle up or oa pull up and compared that to how much weight they could successfully add to a pull up. I remember 60-66% extra weight was the point they saw people able to do these advanced moves.
In your case, I especially like the extra statistics and seeing their form/weights, it adds a lot of validity and hope for heavier guys like myself
Love it! Thank you for the content.
I had gotten to two consecutive muscle ups with kip, weighing 127 lbs. Max weighted pullup was +60 lbs.
Thanks for providing your data!
I needed this :)
This was relly interresting to see and, hope you Will do some more like this in The future
great video brother
Fantastic. This gives me a clearly defined goal with weighted pullups to aim for.
same. i can do 20 pull ups but cant dont come even close to doing a muscle up.
best part was that these guys are close to my bodyweight (160lb).
now i have a clear goal. have to be able to pull 110-120lb weighted pull up.
@@dnegel9546 late reply, but for reference I weigh 170 and can only do 50 lb weighted pullups for sets of 6 reps, that's probably just 85lb 1 rep max. But I can do muscle ups. There's a technique to it. Some of the people in this video would be able to do a muscle up if their technique was more co-ordinated. It's pulling from a more diagonal body angle instead of the more vertical angle of pullups.
@@Bobo-ye7dq yeah i seen that specially when kali muscle did his almost layingdown lol still despite knowing this 0 luck doing a muscle up
I walked by triton thelix every day, and I recognized a bunch of these ppl from my classes. They are all nerds, most people in the school were, so am I, I really loved this video lol.
Hey man, as a lifting and exercise 🤓 I think this is really great. Definitely an opportunity to quantify training regressions/progressions.
Thanks for brining some science to this.
Very helpful to see how strong u need to be to achieve muscle up
This is a great video!
I like doing pullups so I got a kick out of your video. Thanks.
This is good video for me because I can easily do 10 pull-ups now so I bought a weighted vest because my goal is a muscle up and knew I needed to train with more weight to get the proper strength. Can’t wait to do one eventually
Nice study!
This was a BRILLIANT vedeo!
Thanks for the data
cool study!
This is SUCH A GREAT IDEA. Because the muscleup is kind of a yes or no thing even though there are so many degrees of "cleanness" with crossfit being the worst. But with a weighted pullup you can guess how close you are to getting the muscleup. And that is so valuable. You are the first person to connect the dots in this way that I've seen. Isn't it nice being first? :)
There's another tool people can use and that's the assisted dip machine except you use it standing up. There are different models/designs of these so unless you're a tiny person you'll want one that tends to be taller than average. But again you can see if you're getting close by how much weight you need to help you. As the machine is in front of you you can't swing so that helps us focus on form. And form is always good. This machine is especially good at working at wrist strength and flexibility as you can experiment with different degrees of false grip and do it slowly as well.
Damn, ajani is a monster
Damn this is very interesting! Would love for you to do a crowdsourced version to expand the sample size!
I'll test my max pull up next workout, where should I send the result?
You can comment your result here for now! I have python code that extracts and parses RUclips comments. If this video get 100k+ views, I will spin up a website to properly collect more data.
@@GeekClimber Heyy :D Looks like the video crushed the 100k views goal! Are you still considering setting up a website?
Anyway here's my stats:
height: 6'2'' / 188cm
Weight: 191 punds / 87kg
1 rep max: 49.6 pounds / 22.5 kg (25.8% of bodyweight)
Muscle ups: 0
Very impressed at how controlled and strict these athletes were 😤😤
Thank you, very interesting
interested for sure! Also interested in the one arm pull-up.
I’ve learnt so much from this guy. Another great vid. Let me know if you ever want to do a collab. Anyone else fancy doing one?
What a nice group of people :)
great video
Wow, nice dataset. Ty
I've never tried my 1RM max so far.
I still can't do MU.
9 reps with 10 kg weighted vest.
I'm fully focused on improving my weighted pull-ups. I know one day I will achieve my MU objective.
(P.s.: I'm 80 kg. So, If I can so 9 reps with 10 kg w.vest, then It must be very close to achive MU. What I understand by this video is that, if you can easily pull up with 50% of your body weight, then you are very close to doing MU.)
(P.s.2: Both works IMO: Either I should increase my weighted pull up weights or lose some body fat.)
Such a simple yet great and educational video! really loved this! Especially as i started weighted pull ups last month, just got 50% weighted this week (40kg, 79.6kg bw!)! would be cool to be able to do a muscle up at some point!
Good luck! You should be able to do it!
You should definitely be able to do it, watch some RUclips videos to get the technique right. I can’t do 50% BW pull up but I can do a few muscle ups..
40kg after a month is crazy... took me around 5 months to get there
@@kamatayon6380 I think it might be cuz i’ve attempted pull ups since i was 20kg heavier than i am right now, so it translated to weighted pull ups perhaps? Still need to lose about 8kg weight, so i’ve essentially done weighted pull ups by default all the time lmao
@@mazi1597 You are losing weight, but still manage to do 40kg weighted pull-up in one month, you are very strong
Amazing!
Mad work
Man, the giant swingin' balls on these guys, and girl .... kudos to all!
Thanks. We finally got a number.
Like for the table and not forcing to watch every single second of your video :)
What a lovely experiment. 15 minutes flew by.
Ajani was an absolute beast ! Can u ask him how he became so strong ?
This is awesome
Love the approach! and yes it would be great if you could leverage your channel to collect data and analyze!
Also maybe you could add an intermediate lvl to muscle -up, by that I mean that some MU were cleaner than other or with less kip. The graph would look like BW with no MU, BW were you might be able to do a MU and BW were you can do a MU for sure.
The problem is, it is almost impossible to quantify the amount of kip. Almost every supposedly "strict" muscle up still have some amount of kip from the hip hinge. Only the "perfect" zero kip muscle up without hip hinge and obviously also without knee bend is well-defined, however, the "perfect" muscle up is very hard to perform, if you nitpick hard, even not a lot of RUclips experts' muscle up qualifies this "perfect" definition.
Thanks!
This is very interesting. Go for more data!
Nice to meet Heiu!
Super interested in a large data collection!!
Great video and concept is really interesting. If you expand on this, I would suggest you controlling the test (like you did in the video), instead of having people submit their data. Also, you might want to consider adding categories for the muscle up form. Some people had perfect form in this. Others did chicken wing muscle up. Should to some degree build this into the analysis (if you have a dataset of like 100+). Because technique skill is also important, it would be best to stick to callisthenic club individuals, or inquire how many years the person has been training muscle ups.
8:54 this was sick
Thanks for this video ☺🤗🤩
Today i do it my first muscle up after few weeks of weighted pullups training
My weighted pullup max 58% only but enough for muscle up 🙂😄☺😎
i love the jolly laugh he does at the end of every rep
Seems pretty accurate, did my first muscle up last week, I can do 57% weighted pull-up (40 kg, weighing 70 kg)
pretty interesting. i think i did my 1st one when i could do a ~45 lbs weighted pullup (+32% BW, 63kg at the time) though the form was pretty disgusting. i chicken winged pretty bad. congrats on a 40kg pullup tho! i'm working on getting to 36kg on mine.
Sounds about right. I can do about 3-5 clean muscle-ups while at the same time my max weighted pull-up is around 60-70% BW. But I'm not sure if weighted pull-ups are a prerequisite or rather a side-effect of muscle-up training. Because, while I do a lot of weighted pull-ups, the weights are only up to 30lbs, never really pushing to the max. I learned my first muscle-ups when my max pull-ups was around 30, max pull-ups with +30lbs was around 15-18.
Gym meets Data Science I love it!!!!!
Awesome video!
One thing I have noticed is that you have a weakness in your left shoulder. At 13:30 you can see your left shoulder rising when doing the pullup which tells me you have trouble retracting that scapula.
You got good eyes haha. I do feel that my right side is stronger than my left side, and it's particularly obvious in one rep max scenarios.
I would definitely submit my weighted pullup if you collect it. This is definitely cool info to have, but people shouldn't be completely deterred by the data, seen as people work differently and these are often generalizations.
this is so interesting i loooovve it
Great video as I always wondered this myself. I did my first muscle up when I could do a 80 lb weighted pull up at 165 lb bodyweight. 80 lb is 48% which is pretty close to the number you came up with (54%)
Thank you! Was really interesting. I would be ideal to weight the athletes too.
There's probably a bit of correlation bias, since I assume that most of the people you've tested have trained both the weighted pullup as well as the muscle up, and those that have trained longer both have a higher weighted pullup and are also much more likely to achieve the muscle up. So it seems reasonable that the actually % of bodyweight needed is a bit lower than 54%. However, it's still great to have a good baseline.
The most impressive thing in this video is how our Geek Climber kept his enthusiasm high all the way from attempt 1 to 101
Ajani looking completly unassuming in that longsleeve and then banging out those pull-ups with over 100% BW is super impressive. Dude's a machine.
2:50 Andrey ripped my own damn rotator cuff watching him attempt that muscle up 😅😅
The easier way to answer this question is a scale that continuously transmits readings to a computer underneath a pullup bar, if you have the money to buy lab equipment that durable and precise. You'd essentially get a reading of all the forces that go on the bar during a muscle up, including the weight required to pull.
Great info, since I can't do a muscle up, I can gauge how far away I am from doing one
Now I'm inspired to be like that Ibrahim
Would be interested to see the number of muscle ups the individual can do and factor that into the test results.