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11:00 regarding Eurofighter multirole requirements. The UK requirement for multirole was only to replace the Jaguar, as I understand it. Eurofighter was seen as serving alongside Tornado rather than replacing it. Even with the low wing Eurofighter is far more capable than Jaguar as a smart-bomber (mainly because the Jaguar has to use up its limited number of underwing pylons for EW pods which doesn't leave many for the targeting pod, drop tanks and bombs).
@@petergronroos5455 To your question, I would answer this : why many things has not been mention ? When you know well these 3 jets, trust me, there many informations missing in this video. I used to like this channel, but this video disappointed me. He's talking about the typhoon's maneuverability against f22, but did not tell about the Rafale's maneuverability, which is clearly superior to the typhoon and f22. Even the history of this 3 jets is not complete, and exactly said. He forgot to talk about the Mirage 4000, and more ... so many informations are missing.
Honestly speaking this is the only Chanel that’s unbiased and accurate. Shame on those sensationalist who spend time comparing equipment in exchange for views and likes. I’ve become a patron of this channel today. To God the Glory
One important difference of the Rafale compared to the others is that it is a carrier-capable fighter. This had a lot of impact on the design of the plane especially regarding the canards design.
This is an interesting overview, but there's a couple of major points left out. 1. The most obvious design difference - Gripen was specified to be single-engined, whereas Rafale and Eurofighter were required to be twin engined. 2. Rafale and Eurofighter requirements departed because the French required a platform that could equip both Armée de l'Air and Force maritime de l'aéronautique navale, i.e. it it had to be carrier based as well as land based. The British, German, Italian and Spanish governments had no such requirement. All told, a good job on presenting a brief outline on the differences between these three European aircraft, and just the merest hint of the different design philosophies that still exist between American and European military aircraft design approaches.
Another aspect that could have been covered is the comparison of center-of-gravity vs. the aerodynamic center between the three aircraft. Having said that, I thoroughly enjoy all the videos on this channel. Keep up the good work!
I think this video should have started with the Viggen as that was the first successful modern aircraft with canard wings, and the experiences from that were brought into the Gripen project. Before the Viggen there was the Draken with the broken deltawing. One factor that also shall be highlighted about the Gripen is that it was designed to be serviced by conscripts and utilize so called "road bases" where a part of a highway is re-purposed as a landing strip.
18:54 I love this dude :) You are right, ranking aircrafts is great for TV shows or bar discussion with friends. In real world this a much complex matter. Congrats with the channel. I'm learning a lot with it :)
Absence of long range weapons like Meteor, while showing Gripen taking off with 4 Meteors. Gripen was the platform it was first integrated into and that conducted most of test firings during later stages of development of Meteor, cheapest operating costs were the deciding factor among with Sweden having a lot of rather sparsely populated real estate for European country.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech While considering AMRAAM to be not that long range weapon, either that or Meteor is in inventory of all Gripen clients aside from South Africa. While they might got nominally medium range weapon, they actually might have long range weapon. It is de facto replacement for Phoenix in US Navy. I have to admit that I'm too lazy to check Czech or Hungarian export permit numbers of AMRAAM and Brazil got Meteor from the start with their Gripen deal. South Africa might be as much about South African internal politics. With Royal Thai Air Force, they too have AMRAAM's for their Gripens.
On the Typhoon agility, I like to point a few things: First, the plane have a very low-key demo on airshows, compared with the Gripen/Rafale. It is obvious it lacks high sustained turn rates. So much so that Airbus themselves said it lags behind the F-16/F-18 fighters. If you don't believe me, go search for aerodynamic enhancement (a bigger streak behind the canards and a LERX on the wing) on the Flight Global website (publishers of the Flight International magazine); Second, it appears these deficiencies are on low altitude, low speed region of the Typhoon flight envelope. The aircraft was obviously directed towards supercruise, high altitude flight, so it performance there must be better there than competing eurocanards, similar to the situation between the F-15 and the Su-27 (the latter being more a low speed/altitude machine than the Eagle).
@mandellorian As I said, look at the flight envelope. No fighter (AFAIK) has a superior turn rate throughout the flight envelope compared to all the others. There is always a corner where a fighter is superior to the others . If a Typhoon pilot manages to start a engagement on the perfect conditions for the Typhoon, of course it will do better. And the same is true for any other fighter. With that said, the plane does not show any superior turn rate at airshows, so obviously it has deficiencies flying low and slow. So much so that Airbus started a program to correct those deficiencies. But you don't have to believe me. Go out there and do your research on the subject, instead of having a knee jerk reaction to something negative said about a aircraft you obliviously like. I have better things to do than engage on endless comments on YT.
Excellent presentation. But you forgot that the Rafale has a marine version that takes of and lands on aircraft carriers, and that doesn't apply to the other 2 planes. 2 reactors help both the Typhoon and the Rafale to have more chances to survive mechanical failure, as one reactor shuts down. That is why the Gripen is quite cheaper than its competitors.
Gripen can of course use the Meteor. Gripen C/D was actually the first aircraft to be operational with the Meteor. I don't understand how you missed this? You seem to be very well informed about other stuff! 😊
Yes of course it can use it! I say that if an air force had the Gripen but not a long range weapon like the Meteor than air superiority may be a problem against more kinetically performing fighters.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech That was an extremely bad answer. Wich airforce today will buy a fighter jet without a long-range weapon like the Meteor! Gripen can Supercruice too!
@@jontus9925 That is not an extremely bad answer pontus. Gripen E can truly super cruse, but C/D... Maybe with 2 Sidewinders and otherwise a clean setup with no external tank, one third fuel left and the fuselage polished to a mirror finish.
The funny thing is that all of these aircrafts can carry the same missiles like the Iris-T and Meteor but maybe the Rafale and Eurofigter can take more. So in the end I guess it's the pilot and supporting radar systems that will determine the outcome.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech if not Meteor then use AIM120, there is no lack of long range options for Gripen. NO airforce will skip long range weapons today!
This video could've been an hour and a half and I would've watched the whole thing and asked for more! Would've been great if he mentioned more on the Gripen's antecedents, as well as mentioning the Rafale-M and the French Navy's role.
The French wanted to be in the driver seat, because they had/have a major feature in need, that the other had not: arcraft carrier operation capabilities. Even the brits said they won't sacrifice anything for it. (And in 1982 they regretted the ditching of their real fleet carriers. The modified Hermes, and the Invincible was nowhere near in capabilities compared to the Ark Royal or even to the Eagle.)
Thank you for another excellent video. You provide interesting information which cannot be found anywhere else on the internet. .One question I would like to ask. Which one of these fighters has the greatest "growth" potential ie. can be updated to remain competitive against future fighters? Thank you again for your effort.
From hard evidence, the Typhoon. It’s a pen excellent platform which has been upgraded multiple times through ‘tranches’. The latest tranche 3 jet will have an AESA radar and many of the latest features for jets. It also comes with a PIRATE infra red sensor, giving it a method to detect all stealth aircraft. They can also carry some of the most advanced weapons, like the Meteor air to air missile.
Nicely broken down, although i have heard the dog fight exercises are still used to asess comparable performances between fighters, even though they are less relevant in real world scenarios with todays missile ranges it still forms a good part of the pilots education
Yes but the Indian Air force picked the Rafael because of it's experience with the mirage 2000s. As far as I know they are still the preferred choice of the IAF, even if we have the SU-30 MKI.
If look closely at 14:03 you can see in the intakes some " F117 like" triangles. In fact you can find them everywhere under the plane. It's very discreet, but as far as i know i haven't seen them on the EF nor the Gripen
Kröhöm Saab Draken. Delta supersonic flying and superstalling since -56. And btw, as far as I remember it, one of the real reasons Dassault decided to opt out of the Eurofighter Programme was France's requirement for naval use, i.e. Carrier capability. Maybe I remember wrong?
''Turtlenecks were challenging the survival of Western civilization' ..' HaHaHa !!! Well done. Your last comment is very pertinent; a ''ranking'' of these fighters is indeed pointless. e.g.: The P-51 was at its best in high altitude escort. The Russians loved the P-39 in low altitude roles and similarly made good use of the old Hurricane. A question which I have not seen answered, is what is the role of the fighter going forward? To wit, how many dogfights have there been in the last 40 years? Is buying a basic, versatile & cheap fighter, plus investing in ground support aircraft like the A-10 a more reasonable path for a country such as Canada ?
You haven;t seen dogfights after the '70s because all conflicts have been completely lopsided, with one side having an uncontested air superiority over the other. In a near peer confrontation, where tactics and technologies may start not working as expected, distances will reduce and missile reserves will be exhausted quickly.
Funny thing tough, US will buy A-29 Super Tucanos from brazilian Embraer, that are a light air support prop plane, mostly to be use in the same role as the A-10 Thunderbolt. Reason? Is way cheaper to buy and maintain and can stay for far longer than A-10 in air.
They never fell short of introducing new systems or subsystems. But none ever mention the real innovator of a system everybody benefits from it. The "Touch" by Steve Jobs. As they are now have touchscreen monitors on their jets.
I admit the Typhoon started out as primary a fighter. But with the Tranche 3 version it has evolved in a great multirole aircraft with excellent air to ground characteristics, equipped with both brimstone and storm shadow.
For the UK we could get away with the typhoon having limited ait to ground capabilities because until relativly recently the UK had tornado GR4 for that, and the F35b alongside UCAVs will take the air to ground mission going forward.
@@patdbean There is some talk about modern electronic warfare suits being able to detect the location of the threat. This information can be handed over to a GPS guided standoff weapon (SDB, Storm Shadow etc.) to destroy the threat. Modern air defenses are not continuously radiating, so homing in on the emitter is not as useful anymore.
jdam also takes the edge of pilots needing to be proficient in ground attack , its cas thats the issue and we will learn this with the f35 they dont have the load or time on station like an a10 , at least typhoon can carry a decent load
I would say there is possible to determine a ranking, the problem lies within asking the right question. I.e. a very relevant question could be: "If a nation wanted a multirole fighter to be the workhorse of that airforce but not develop a new platform, which of the three platforms would be best suited?"
In my opinion it is features vs effectiveness for a specific purpose. Great features may mean little if they don't cater to the specific desired effect. The effect, the mission if you want, are so wildly different that the question itself looses meaning. For the Swiss the Gripen was a non starter because living in the mountains they need planes capable of steep climbs, for example.
Millennium 7 * HistoryTech a very good example of situational circumstances, although wasn’t it because Gripen E was not operationaly ready in 2019, and therefore was recommended to withdraw?
I always think of the griphen as an f16 type, the rafale as an f18/mig29 type and the typhoon as an F15/su27/su35 type, or as an F22 with an older gen radar no thrust vectoring or stealth. And yes I do realise that is overly simplistic .
Great video! Your channel constitutes a wonderfull niche on YT. Btw have you heard about the Mirage 4000 project? I'd love to see a video on its aerodynamics.
This is what I learned: If you needed a multi-role plane that could do everything well, Rafale is the winner. If you needed good air capability on a budget and your requirement was more national defence than it was expeditionary missions, then Gripen is the winner. If you just wanted air superiority and you had other planes to do other roles - then Eurofighter. HOWEVER, one thing not covered was STEALTH. None of these planes are stealth, but they have all been designed to minimise detection. How do they compare?
Thanks for yet another exiting video! Topic suggestion: what are the protruding fins I see on almost every jet out there? Like the small "pectoral fin" on the J-35 Draken or the "moustache" infront of the cockpit on the F/A-18. Do they have aerodynamical purposes or do they just hide simple radio antenas? Take care in these difficult times.
Good Channel , can you talk about de J 10 and j 20 chinese fighter ? they have delta canard configuration as well . Also the mig 1.42 project . Thanks and regards
Very interesting content. Funny to see how my country Denmark, keeps buying US overpriced airplanes, instead of going with european solutions. Maybe you could do a video about the air plane manufactors, US vs. EU etc. I would watch it with great interest :)
F-35 costs less than the grippen and 40 million less than typhoon. F-35 have the most advanced lift body ever produced. Along with sensor fusion, passive sensors, most powerful single engine, and stealth.
If you are say Switzerland or Canada trying to replace a fleet of aging F/A-18s than the question of which platform is a better buy overall is a rather legitimate one.
Question: I thought that straighter inlet ducts for twin engine planes were far worse off in RCS than curved ducts where the turbine cannot be seen in a straight or near straight line of sight.
Hi, I love your video's. Good content. Here's a production tip. It is clear you record your voice with a microphone on the camera itself because there is much room reflection included. Furthermore the microphone picks up much low which makes the signal unnecesarily boomy. If you equalise the lower freqenciess away below 100 to 200 Hz in your video editor program your will be much easier to understand.
Correct. Unfortunately I don't have much freedom of correcting the room sound. But I already cut anything below 100Hz. Audio is a weak point, I know, but it is hard to improve in my conditions.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech OK. I didn't pick up on the suit jacket microphone. Other ways to go about it are: Move the microphone even closer to your mouth. Experiment with your position in the room. Use use a room with less reflective surfaces. Closing curtains will actually also work but that will in turn then influence the lighting of course. You can also experimrnt further with EQ'-ing up. Here's a quote: "The important frequency range for speech intelligibility is in the 1,000 Hz to 4,000 Hz range. Often, a boost of 3 to 5 dB in this range will increase the clarity. Start around the 3,000 Hz point". A few more tips can for instance be found here: www.behindthemixer.com/eight-tips-for-improving-clarity-in-speech/ Just trying to help though. :-)
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Ow, I spotted my mistake. I wanted to add my comment to your plasma stealth video but RUclips had already stepped on to this one before I started typing. The sound is already much better here. So sorry for bugging in. :-)
Sorry but assuming the wing is a half sine wave the centre of lift would be 0.707 (sin 45°) forward of the trailing edge, yes? A delta wing cannot be much different. With the engine(s) being the heaviest part of the plane the centre of weight would be back there too. Combined with the canards this should more clearly indicate why such aircraft share the best combination of both manoeuvrability and turn rate when combined with engine power. No?
In fact the "which one is the best" is a question that can objetively roughly be answered, if we are set on frontal air superiority engagements. > BVRAAM kills account for 54% of kill claims for 1990-2002 period > All Aspect AAM kills account for 30% of kill claims for 1990-2002 period Take the 3 aircrafts radar cross section values, active stealth systems activated. Radar active antenna range and BVR meteor missile range values then try to see who see and lock the other first. Then take the 3 aircrafts radar and thermal signatures values with radar active antenna and active stealth and All Aspect AAM lock range, max range, missile seaker tracker rate and max G-load then who will kill each other. Technically this can be done. But it involved a lot of still classified info and I'm too lazy, but I can guess that the rafale should be a bit better that the other two currently on BVR engagements as they all have the same meteor missile but rafale has spectra active stealth, more stealth intakes, and last gen radar. It should probably reduce quite a bit the distance at which it will be detected by the others radar, so shoot first the meteor. If not BVR then its too complicated. I don't know how good the MICA is compared to AIM9X / AIM-120 / AIM-132 but if we supposed that it is one of the laters than even then the rafale and Gripen have lower thermal signature than Typhoon, the first having purposely designed lower thrust engines with shorter exhaust and the later a single reactor. Typhoon is thrustmaster.
I understand your point but I can't get particularly interested in these kind of comparisons. What you have described is hardly going to happen. If it should happen, after one or two engagements, the losing side will start changing tactics. Versatility and adaptability are often more important than performance, and a lot of that feature stays in pilots' heads.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Of course. This is a pretty dumb thing to assume anyway. In fact only new cutting edge technologies are really significant aside pilot skills between performances, not those tiny factors.
Mirage 4000 ( a kind of ancestor of rafale) had already a "semi fixed and adjustable on-flight canard". It was in 1977. The rafale's ones are just an evolution of it through more dynamic, allowed by the digitalization. I consider too Saab was in advance in dynamic canards, but french ones are not a copy, it was studied since 2000 and 4000
I hate the delta wing + canards look. I don't mind the flying wing look of something like the B-2 but I'd much prefer swept wings, and/or leading edges like The F--15, F-18, MiG-35, or the SU- 35. I'm purely talking aesthetics of course.
I don't get why you say that Gripen lacks Meteor? Gripen was the first plane to fire and integrate and Meteor in its armament? Also I think was the first to do two-way communication with the Meteor? Maybe Rafale is still one-way update?
@@Millennium7HistoryTech : @16.30: "In absence of long range missiles like the Meteors"? In the next sentences you claim air superiority for Rafale with Meteors? Why would you compare them in Air Superiority roles one with and one without Meteors when both carry Meteors? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.
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&he Meteor is integrated on the Gripen
11:00 regarding Eurofighter multirole requirements. The UK requirement for multirole was only to replace the Jaguar, as I understand it. Eurofighter was seen as serving alongside Tornado rather than replacing it. Even with the low wing Eurofighter is far more capable than Jaguar as a smart-bomber (mainly because the Jaguar has to use up its limited number of underwing pylons for EW pods which doesn't leave many for the targeting pod, drop tanks and bombs).
@@petergronroos5455 All 3 jets use the Meteor, so this is not a big news for gripen 😂
@@kingrobert3260 Well, why not mention it?
@@petergronroos5455 To your question, I would answer this : why many things has not been mention ? When you know well these 3 jets, trust me, there many informations missing in this video. I used to like this channel, but this video disappointed me. He's talking about the typhoon's maneuverability against f22, but did not tell about the Rafale's maneuverability, which is clearly superior to the typhoon and f22.
Even the history of this 3 jets is not complete, and exactly said. He forgot to talk about the Mirage 4000, and more ... so many informations are missing.
This how a teacher should teach in a calm and composed manner! The way you explain in video is 👌
It's easy when you don't have some little darlings trying to sabotage your work.
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Really and truly LOL
For the first time, I thank youtube for suggesting me this channel.
Way too kind!
me too this is gold.
Can't be as fancy but whole heartedly agree
Honestly speaking this is the only Chanel that’s unbiased and accurate. Shame on those sensationalist who spend time comparing equipment in exchange for views and likes. I’ve become a patron of this channel today. To God the Glory
You understood everything!
One important difference of the Rafale compared to the others is that it is a carrier-capable fighter. This had a lot of impact on the design of the plane especially regarding the canards design.
And he can launch a nuclear strike
@@Thunderworks the typhoon can too
Guigui Ferrand It could be fitted with a nuclear capacity but as of now, there are no weapons qualified for that on the Typhoon.
@@UnsungSoldiers okay thanks for this information
Have a nice day
@@guiguiferrand2296 not with the amount of threat avoidance the rafale can display not even close !
This is an interesting overview, but there's a couple of major points left out.
1. The most obvious design difference - Gripen was specified to be single-engined, whereas Rafale and Eurofighter were required to be twin engined.
2. Rafale and Eurofighter requirements departed because the French required a platform that could equip both Armée de l'Air and Force maritime de l'aéronautique navale, i.e. it it had to be carrier based as well as land based. The British, German, Italian and Spanish governments had no such requirement.
All told, a good job on presenting a brief outline on the differences between these three European aircraft, and just the merest hint of the different design philosophies that still exist between American and European military aircraft design approaches.
Another aspect that could have been covered is the comparison of center-of-gravity vs. the aerodynamic center between the three aircraft.
Having said that, I thoroughly enjoy all the videos on this channel. Keep up the good work!
Saab Gripen was never part of the Eurofighter 2000 programme.
There are plans for naval eurofigther but the project was abandoned because the UK decided to select the f35 as the fighter for its navy.
Discovered your channel a few days ago and have nearly watched everything so far. Absolutely love it, thank you so much for this great content!
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You deserve your reputation. I could not find any information about the airfoil of the Eurofighter anywhere but here. My respects
I think this video should have started with the Viggen as that was the first successful modern aircraft with canard wings, and the experiences from that were brought into the Gripen project.
Before the Viggen there was the Draken with the broken deltawing.
One factor that also shall be highlighted about the Gripen is that it was designed to be serviced by conscripts and utilize so called "road bases" where a part of a highway is re-purposed as a landing strip.
Great video i hope get too see a video of the saab 37 Viggen sometime :)
That would be nice.
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18:54 I love this dude :) You are right, ranking aircrafts is great for TV shows or bar discussion with friends. In real world this a much complex matter. Congrats with the channel. I'm learning a lot with it :)
Discovered this channel recently, ir was a good thing indeed :)
Absence of long range weapons like Meteor, while showing Gripen taking off with 4 Meteors. Gripen was the platform it was first integrated into and that conducted most of test firings during later stages of development of Meteor, cheapest operating costs were the deciding factor among with Sweden having a lot of rather sparsely populated real estate for European country.
I am saying that an air force with the Gripen but no long range weapons may be in difficulty with air superiority. Sorry for not being clear.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech While considering AMRAAM to be not that long range weapon, either that or Meteor is in inventory of all Gripen clients aside from South Africa. While they might got nominally medium range weapon, they actually might have long range weapon. It is de facto replacement for Phoenix in US Navy. I have to admit that I'm too lazy to check Czech or Hungarian export permit numbers of AMRAAM and Brazil got Meteor from the start with their Gripen deal. South Africa might be as much about South African internal politics. With Royal Thai Air Force, they too have AMRAAM's for their Gripens.
@@762rk95tp Brazil order 100....first buy...
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The more technical the better. Love this.
Very well explained differences between these three superb european fighter planes. Thank you. Saluti dalla Lituania!
Turtle necks are incredibly dangerous, the wall is my favourite album and this is a great video
Thanks for posting this. It was much anticipated and very educational.
On the Typhoon agility, I like to point a few things:
First, the plane have a very low-key demo on airshows, compared with the Gripen/Rafale. It is obvious it lacks high sustained turn rates. So much so that Airbus themselves said it lags behind the F-16/F-18 fighters. If you don't believe me, go search for aerodynamic enhancement (a bigger streak behind the canards and a LERX on the wing) on the Flight Global website (publishers of the Flight International magazine);
Second, it appears these deficiencies are on low altitude, low speed region of the Typhoon flight envelope. The aircraft was obviously directed towards supercruise, high altitude flight, so it performance there must be better there than competing eurocanards, similar to the situation between the F-15 and the Su-27 (the latter being more a low speed/altitude machine than the Eagle).
@mandellorian As I said, look at the flight envelope. No fighter (AFAIK) has a superior turn rate throughout the flight envelope compared to all the others. There is always a corner where a fighter is superior to the others . If a Typhoon pilot manages to start a engagement on the perfect conditions for the Typhoon, of course it will do better. And the same is true for any other fighter.
With that said, the plane does not show any superior turn rate at airshows, so obviously it has deficiencies flying low and slow. So much so that Airbus started a program to correct those deficiencies.
But you don't have to believe me. Go out there and do your research on the subject, instead of having a knee jerk reaction to something negative said about a aircraft you obliviously like. I have better things to do than engage on endless comments on YT.
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This is the english speech that i want to ear!!! i've understood everything !! all video should be done like this !!! a lot of "like", great!!
Thank you very much for your videos. beutifuly explained and interesting.
Excellent presentation. But you forgot that the Rafale has a marine version that takes of and lands on aircraft carriers, and that doesn't apply to the other 2 planes. 2 reactors help both the Typhoon and the Rafale to have more chances to survive mechanical failure, as one reactor shuts down. That is why the Gripen is quite cheaper than its competitors.
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Way too kind!
Gripen can of course use the Meteor. Gripen C/D was actually the first aircraft to be operational with the Meteor. I don't understand how you missed this? You seem to be very well informed about other stuff! 😊
Yes of course it can use it! I say that if an air force had the Gripen but not a long range weapon like the Meteor than air superiority may be a problem against more kinetically performing fighters.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech That was an extremely bad answer. Wich airforce today will buy a fighter jet without a long-range weapon like the Meteor! Gripen can Supercruice too!
@@jontus9925 That is not an extremely bad answer pontus. Gripen E can truly super cruse, but C/D... Maybe with 2 Sidewinders and otherwise a clean setup with no external tank, one third fuel left and the fuselage polished to a mirror finish.
The funny thing is that all of these aircrafts can carry the same missiles like the Iris-T and Meteor but maybe the Rafale and Eurofigter can take more. So in the end I guess it's the pilot and supporting radar systems that will determine the outcome.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech if not Meteor then use AIM120, there is no lack of long range options for Gripen.
NO airforce will skip long range weapons today!
This video could've been an hour and a half and I would've watched the whole thing and asked for more!
Would've been great if he mentioned more on the Gripen's antecedents, as well as mentioning the Rafale-M and the French Navy's role.
I love he specified the large countries involved by just putting up the food they are famous for .. lol
all these aircraft are based on the 1970's designed TKF-90 from MBB. that's literally where the eurofighter comes from.
Europe - We love canards!
US - NO!
Russia - Ummm, we'l take some.
China - We like them too!
The French wanted to be in the driver seat, because they had/have a major feature in need, that the other had not: arcraft carrier operation capabilities. Even the brits said they won't sacrifice anything for it. (And in 1982 they regretted the ditching of their real fleet carriers. The modified Hermes, and the Invincible was nowhere near in capabilities compared to the Ark Royal or even to the Eagle.)
I agree. They are different. One may be the best choice strategically for a specific mission, and another for a different mission. Great breakdown.
Super presentation 👍🏻
Thank you! Cheers!
Very well presented & reasonably comprehensive. Had you included the RCS data also it would have shown things in more comprehensive way
RCS data is tricky with planes made of composites and planes with ram materials.
Thank you for another excellent video. You provide interesting information which cannot be found anywhere else on the internet. .One question I would like to ask. Which one of these fighters has the greatest "growth" potential ie. can be updated to remain competitive against future fighters? Thank you again for your effort.
From hard evidence, the Typhoon. It’s a pen excellent platform which has been upgraded multiple times through ‘tranches’. The latest tranche 3 jet will have an AESA radar and many of the latest features for jets. It also comes with a PIRATE infra red sensor, giving it a method to detect all stealth aircraft. They can also carry some of the most advanced weapons, like the Meteor air to air missile.
Nicely broken down, although i have heard the dog fight exercises are still used to asess comparable performances between fighters, even though they are less relevant in real world scenarios with todays missile ranges it still forms a good part of the pilots education
The influence of air intake on the speed of the rafale is lose of 0.2 mach according to dassault.
I have heard similar estimates
Excellent analysis and equally great conclusion. Keep it up.
Yes but the Indian Air force picked the Rafael because of it's experience with the mirage 2000s. As far as I know they are still the preferred choice of the IAF, even if we have the SU-30 MKI.
With the French propensity for giving bribes, and the Indian liking for a bung, was there ever any doubt
If look closely at 14:03 you can see in the intakes some " F117 like" triangles.
In fact you can find them everywhere under the plane. It's very discreet, but as far as i know i haven't seen them on the EF nor the Gripen
The Rafale is undeniably the best looking.
I'm partial to Gripen but Rafael is a good looking plane
CaptainDangeax They didn’t evaluate the looks of the contestants...
Nah, that probe really ruins it. I prefer the EF. All smooth
Kröhöm Saab Draken. Delta supersonic flying and superstalling since -56.
And btw, as far as I remember it, one of the real reasons Dassault decided to opt out of the Eurofighter Programme was France's requirement for naval use, i.e. Carrier capability. Maybe I remember wrong?
very informative , thank you!
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Would love a video on the Viggen. :)
Noted!
''Turtlenecks were challenging the survival of Western civilization' ..'
HaHaHa !!! Well done.
Your last comment is very pertinent; a ''ranking'' of these fighters is indeed pointless.
e.g.:
The P-51 was at its best in high altitude escort.
The Russians loved the P-39 in low altitude roles and similarly made good use of the old Hurricane.
A question which I have not seen answered, is what is the role of the fighter going forward?
To wit, how many dogfights have there been in the last 40 years?
Is buying a basic, versatile & cheap fighter, plus investing in ground support aircraft like the A-10 a more reasonable path for a country such as Canada ?
You haven;t seen dogfights after the '70s because all conflicts have been completely lopsided, with one side having an uncontested air superiority over the other.
In a near peer confrontation, where tactics and technologies may start not working as expected, distances will reduce and missile reserves will be exhausted quickly.
Funny thing tough, US will buy A-29 Super Tucanos from brazilian Embraer, that are a light air support prop plane, mostly to be use in the same role as the A-10 Thunderbolt.
Reason? Is way cheaper to buy and maintain and can stay for far longer than A-10 in air.
Vigen (1967), Kfir (1975), Lavi (1986)
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Love your lectures, all the detail and the delivery is epic - also, proper aerodynamics!
They never fell short of introducing new systems or subsystems. But none ever mention the real innovator of a system everybody benefits from it. The "Touch" by Steve Jobs. As they are now have touchscreen monitors on their jets.
New to your channel, love these videos. You do a great job making very technical details easy to comprehend. I'm learning from you
I admit the Typhoon started out as primary a fighter. But with the Tranche 3 version it has evolved in a great multirole aircraft with excellent air to ground characteristics, equipped with both brimstone and storm shadow.
Another difference is in looks ;-) I rate Gripen No 1, Rafale No 2 and Typhoon No 3 (or 10 actually..)
Rafale has more sexy curves and with the twin engine , seems wider, more badass than gripen. Probably a nationalist bias ;)
8:22 nice drawing
Could you make a video on su35s?
For the UK we could get away with the typhoon having limited ait to ground capabilities because until relativly recently the UK had tornado GR4 for that, and the F35b alongside UCAVs will take the air to ground mission going forward.
@mandellorian why don't we have any ALARM any more? I assumed that anti-radation was vital to SEAD mission these days.
@@patdbean There is some talk about modern electronic warfare suits being able to detect the location of the threat.
This information can be handed over to a GPS guided standoff weapon (SDB, Storm Shadow etc.) to destroy the threat.
Modern air defenses are not continuously radiating, so homing in on the emitter is not as useful anymore.
jdam also takes the edge of pilots needing to be proficient in ground attack , its cas thats the issue and we will learn this with the f35 they dont have the load or time on station like an a10 , at least typhoon can carry a decent load
I assumed that the advantage of alarm over old Anti-radation missiles was that it could loiter?
@RogerPierre what plane are you talking about ?
I would say there is possible to determine a ranking, the problem lies within asking the right question.
I.e. a very relevant question could be: "If a nation wanted a multirole fighter to be the workhorse of that airforce but not develop a new platform, which of the three platforms would be best suited?"
In my opinion it is features vs effectiveness for a specific purpose. Great features may mean little if they don't cater to the specific desired effect. The effect, the mission if you want, are so wildly different that the question itself looses meaning.
For the Swiss the Gripen was a non starter because living in the mountains they need planes capable of steep climbs, for example.
Millennium 7 * HistoryTech a very good example of situational circumstances, although wasn’t it because Gripen E was not operationaly ready in 2019, and therefore was recommended to withdraw?
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i would love to see a vid on the french fighters. Its very hard to find anything on the mirage lineage in english
I like it, worth a try at some point.
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@@Millennium7HistoryTech please do
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Especially vertical takeoff ones and articulated wings ones ( Balzac and mirage G).
Some french made videos but not as precise as yours
Sir, your videos are very good providing interesting information and the presentation is also good.
Thanks for another excellent and informative video!
I always think of the griphen as an f16 type, the rafale as an f18/mig29 type and the typhoon as an F15/su27/su35 type, or as an F22 with an older gen radar no thrust vectoring or stealth. And yes I do realise that is overly simplistic .
Great video! Your channel constitutes a wonderfull niche on YT. Btw have you heard about the Mirage 4000 project? I'd love to see a video on its aerodynamics.
This is what I learned:
If you needed a multi-role plane that could do everything well, Rafale is the winner. If you needed good air capability on a budget and your requirement was more national defence than it was expeditionary missions, then Gripen is the winner. If you just wanted air superiority and you had other planes to do other roles - then Eurofighter.
HOWEVER, one thing not covered was STEALTH. None of these planes are stealth, but they have all been designed to minimise detection. How do they compare?
Simple f 35 will be operationnal by 2025 at best and obsolete in 2030 , Rafale is combat proven for 10 years now !
@@calgar42k Si Odin ne fait pas planter tout le bordel mdr oui par ce que Alis est pas trop en forme.
Very good content! I immensely enjoy learning about the aviation world. You have a new sub.
ACCORDING TO ME , THE WINNER IS... #RAFALE
Thanks for yet another exiting video!
Topic suggestion: what are the protruding fins I see on almost every jet out there? Like the small "pectoral fin" on the J-35 Draken or the "moustache" infront of the cockpit on the F/A-18. Do they have aerodynamical purposes or do they just hide simple radio antenas?
Take care in these difficult times.
It depends, but most of the times they are just antennas.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech oh it really was that simple haha. Thx for the input!
Really high quality content.
I have been curious, what is your background? Btw love your content! I'm always excited for the insight :)
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It would be cool to see you making planes in KSP with your aero aéronautics skills
Good Channel , can you talk about de J 10 and j 20 chinese fighter ? they have delta canard configuration as well . Also the mig 1.42 project . Thanks and regards
I really enjoy all your videos, Thank You!
Rafale is probably the best.
Greetings from a Typhoon-Country! :D
The best for what....?
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Excellent
THANK YOU SIR GREAT WORK .PLEASE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Good stuff!
Excellent video!
Very interesting content. Funny to see how my country Denmark, keeps buying US overpriced airplanes, instead of going with european solutions. Maybe you could do a video about the air plane manufactors, US vs. EU etc. I would watch it with great interest :)
F-35 costs less than the grippen and 40 million less than typhoon. F-35 have the most advanced lift body ever produced. Along with sensor fusion, passive sensors, most powerful single engine, and stealth.
@@frankcrawford416 gripen cost like 60milion and an f35 about 90milion +the operation cost+ maintanence is sky rocket
@@user-kk6yg7ds9z Only if you want the older gripen C which is out of production. Which is no better then the F-16C that Denmark have right now.
@@jimc1654 No reason to buy the C now though. E all the way. As for actual costs they're not fully available to the public.
They’re not overpriced. They’re the best and priced accordingly
Very informative. Well done...
If you are say Switzerland or Canada trying to replace a fleet of aging F/A-18s than the question of which platform is a better buy overall is a rather legitimate one.
Could you do a video on Soviet fighter planes?
This is an awesome channel,
but please consider to put your script as sub titles!
Can you do a video on the Indian Tejas? The Mark1 is single engine delta winged, whereas Mark2 is going to be the same with extra canards.
They both look like a copy of the typhoon
Thx for another great video.
Question: I thought that straighter inlet ducts for twin engine planes were far worse off in RCS than curved ducts where the turbine cannot be seen in a straight or near straight line of sight.
It's true
Classic Europe. We will all do something separately and come up with the same idea.
Hi, I love your video's. Good content. Here's a production tip. It is clear you record your voice with a microphone on the camera itself because there is much room reflection included. Furthermore the microphone picks up much low which makes the signal unnecesarily boomy. If you equalise the lower freqenciess away below 100 to 200 Hz in your video editor program your will be much easier to understand.
Correct. Unfortunately I don't have much freedom of correcting the room sound. But I already cut anything below 100Hz. Audio is a weak point, I know, but it is hard to improve in my conditions.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech OK. I didn't pick up on the suit jacket microphone. Other ways to go about it are: Move the microphone even closer to your mouth. Experiment with your position in the room. Use use a room with less reflective surfaces. Closing curtains will actually also work but that will in turn then influence the lighting of course. You can also experimrnt further with EQ'-ing up. Here's a quote: "The important frequency range for speech intelligibility is in the 1,000 Hz to 4,000 Hz range. Often, a boost of 3 to 5 dB in this range will increase the clarity. Start around the 3,000 Hz point". A few more tips can for instance be found here: www.behindthemixer.com/eight-tips-for-improving-clarity-in-speech/ Just trying to help though. :-)
@Niclas Eriksson Hi Niclas, Well spotted. I put a few more pointers in my direct answer to the host. :-)
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Ow, I spotted my mistake. I wanted to add my comment to your plasma stealth video but RUclips had already stepped on to this one before I started typing. The sound is already much better here. So sorry for bugging in. :-)
Sorry but assuming the wing is a half sine wave the centre of lift would be 0.707 (sin 45°) forward of the trailing edge, yes? A delta wing cannot be much different. With the engine(s) being the heaviest part of the plane the centre of weight would be back there too. Combined with the canards this should more clearly indicate why such aircraft share the best combination of both manoeuvrability and turn rate when combined with engine power. No?
In fact the "which one is the best" is a question that can objetively roughly be answered, if we are set on frontal air superiority engagements.
> BVRAAM kills account for 54% of kill claims for 1990-2002 period
> All Aspect AAM kills account for 30% of kill claims for 1990-2002 period
Take the 3 aircrafts radar cross section values, active stealth systems activated. Radar active antenna range and BVR meteor missile range values then try to see who see and lock the other first. Then take the 3 aircrafts radar and thermal signatures values with radar active antenna and active stealth and All Aspect AAM lock range, max range, missile seaker tracker rate and max G-load then who will kill each other.
Technically this can be done. But it involved a lot of still classified info and I'm too lazy, but I can guess that the rafale should be a bit better that the other two currently on BVR engagements as they all have the same meteor missile but rafale has spectra active stealth, more stealth intakes, and last gen radar. It should probably reduce quite a bit the distance at which it will be detected by the others radar, so shoot first the meteor.
If not BVR then its too complicated. I don't know how good the MICA is compared to AIM9X / AIM-120 / AIM-132 but if we supposed that it is one of the laters than even then the rafale and Gripen have lower thermal signature than Typhoon, the first having purposely designed lower thrust engines with shorter exhaust and the later a single reactor. Typhoon is thrustmaster.
I understand your point but I can't get particularly interested in these kind of comparisons. What you have described is hardly going to happen. If it should happen, after one or two engagements, the losing side will start changing tactics. Versatility and adaptability are often more important than performance, and a lot of that feature stays in pilots' heads.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Of course. This is a pretty dumb thing to assume anyway. In fact only new cutting edge technologies are really significant aside pilot skills between performances, not those tiny factors.
I enjoy your work. Thank you for your very interesting videos. Thanks to you my love for military aircraft reborn !
well, Swedish Gripen design engineers were outsourced by Saab to work on the Eurofighter and Rafale...
No, Rafale was designed before Gripen and was mainly influenced by Mirage 4000. And the Typhoon is totally different than Gripen.
neage59 design processes are ever ongoing and extend far beyond gimmicks and aerodynamics
@@DagGustafson Example ?
Mirage 4000 ( a kind of ancestor of rafale) had already a "semi fixed and adjustable on-flight canard".
It was in 1977. The rafale's ones are just an evolution of it through more dynamic, allowed by the digitalization.
I consider too Saab was in advance in dynamic canards, but french ones are not a copy, it was studied since 2000 and 4000
I hate the delta wing + canards look. I don't mind the flying wing look of something like the B-2 but I'd much prefer swept wings, and/or leading edges like The F--15, F-18, MiG-35, or the SU- 35. I'm purely talking aesthetics of course.
I am in the same boat as you
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Thank's for your information!
Glad it was helpful!
I don't get why you say that Gripen lacks Meteor? Gripen was the first plane to fire and integrate and Meteor in its armament? Also I think was the first to do two-way communication with the Meteor? Maybe Rafale is still one-way update?
Never said that.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech : @16.30: "In absence of long range missiles like the Meteors"? In the next sentences you claim air superiority for Rafale with Meteors? Why would you compare them in Air Superiority roles one with and one without Meteors when both carry Meteors? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.
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will be intrested in doing a video for JF17 and tejahs
Love this content!
Great video but the strobe effect near the end was quite distracting