If I knew my fate was unavoidable and also was aware of a black-box recording, I would whoop it up and give it my best “YEEEHAAAWWW!” right as my vehicle was crashing. At least I could provide a good lol for everyone, even from the grave.
Your 3D recreation of the accident is some of your best work by far. It felt cinematic and really hit home how serious this accident was. Solid work, as always, and have fun in Italy!
My great Uncle Charlie was an engineer in the 1920s to 1950s in California. I remember my mother or father telling me how he had a heart attack during a trip through Tehachipi. I remember something about the a "dead pedal" which was supposed to stop the train in case anything happened to the engineer. Uncle Charlie fell forward and kept his foot on the dead pedal causing a runaway. Fortunately, the conductor/brakeman were able to stop the train. Uncle Charlie survived, but never sat in the cab again. We visited them a couple times when I was like 2-4 years old. He had a stack of railroading mags on their coffee table that my older brother and I pigged out on. I'll never forget that. It is when I fell in love with trains! My mother worked as a telegraph operator for the railroads somewhere in Simi Valley during WWII passing messages to conductors, brakemen or engineers when cab forward trains came racing out of the mountains at 80-90 mph. Since we were in a war, rules were not always followed. It was essential to get war materials to the coasts as quickly as possible to supply our troops. Armed soldiers sat atop the trains. No railroad employee was allowed to quit or walk off their jobs. The trains coming off the mountains used to scare her so badly that she occasionally wet her pants. 😊
I remember this like it was yesterday. After both tragic events, I was hired to photograph the reconstruction of the pipeline by a welding company out of Arizona. They wanted to make sure with photographic evidence that they were doing the welding properly so as to not get sued later. They were cutting the pipe and inspecting for any other damage before welding in new pipe. I felt so bad for the victims of this tragedy. The clean up had already been done when I got there, but you could still see the amount of property destruction caused. Their are jobs that demand the absolute concentration and attention to detail in order to keep the public safe. Railroading is definitely one of those jobs!
34 years later, and this runaway still hasn’t been forgotten. This document is much better than the one you made in 2018. RIP in best to the victims of this disaster. Also Have Fun in Italy on June 13th, and I hope you catch an Italian train.
This was really well done. I could tell a lot of work went into this video for our enjoyment. I heard Mojave mentioned in this video more than once. That is my hometown where I was born and raised until I left in 1996. For a desert town of only 3,000 people, there was a lot going on. Two major highways met through town, and three railways also carved their spot in the middle of our community- Santa Fe, Southern Pacific, and Trona Railway. I loved growing up in a railroad town because there was never a quiet moment. Throughout the day, at least one locomotive blasted through town every few minutes, and at night you could hear the whistling of turbochargers from the engines idling on the tracks. I remember as kids, we would wait for the caboose of Santa Fe locomotives and yell for water. He would toss several yellow and blue cartons of ice cold water out the window, most of which broke when they hit the ground. I wish I had saved some of those cartons, I am sure they would be worth some money now. What bums me out is the railroad seems to have no connection to their history. At one time there was a Harvey House next to the railroad tracks. It hadn't been used in years, but it was a part of Mojave's history. The railroad got rid of it and the old wheelhouse. There was also an old train station that was used until the early 1970s. It is long gone too. Now the rail yard in town looks kind of bland. But, I guess times change and things have to keep up. When I left Mojave in 1996, I didn't move far but the town I live in has no railroad. It took me a long time to get used to sleeping with no sound at night. That may sound unusual but I had grown used to listening to the railroad at night. You really do miss living in a railroad town if you move.
The helper engineer did not lie. When the helper engineer said he was in full he means he has set the controls to maximum dynamic braking. With a short heavy train, and about to go down Cajon Pass, the engineers should have had a discussion about how many working units they had. Shorter trains mean fewer brakes and curves don’t take effect. All this should have, and would have been discussed, with more experienced engine crews in this operating area. Crown and Reese very experienced but they weren’t driving. The accident might have happened anyway, but the more experienced crew would have been more cautious and attentive to braking details. I know, I was a brakeman for SP and have worked this territory.
SP asked the manufacturer EMD, to set the locomotives up to where when in emergency, the dynamics cutout. It takes about 60-75 seconds to reset the dynamics. The reason the locomotives are set to do this is to prevent the train breaking apart into sections that can collide. The front section slows more after the train breaks in two if dynamics remain on. This cause that faster moving rear section to collide with front section. Since this accident, the locomotives are no longer setup that way. When you go into emergency today, the dynamics stay on. If the train breaks in two, and a rear section rams into the front section so be it.
I remember this train crash. You did a great job of documenting everything and explaining what happened. Also in listing the changes made to help prevent this from happening again. Take care, and safe travels.
90 mph! That's 145 km/h! Jesus Christ😮! If "remastering" also means the graphics, or virtual presentation of the train disaster, it's an absolute success! Thanks & all the best from Germany!
10:05 I'm very impressed by this scene. The editing is great, I liked that some of the bogies aren't on the derailed hoppers, pretty much EVERYTHING! It must've taken you a long time to pull it off.
Thunder didnt make the trainz scenes, if you were paying attention you would know that RustyRail Productions and Ian H. made all the trainz scenes Edit: Ian H. Is now Miles L.
As traincrew (in another country, and working passenger trains), i feel so badly for the guys working this train. Faulty equipment and underestimated weights . . . They relied on good maintenance and accurate paperwork . . . And they were badly let down.
Amazing work on the documentary! RustyRails and Ian really outdid themselves on the recreation footage of the wreck! I can see a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears went into this project, and was definitely an upgrade from the other videos from you, Thunderbolt!
Rusty was dying to do a collab with me and he was working on recreating the 1989 runaway anyway so this was his chance to work with me. Ian had the crash footage for a while if i remember righty and yes he did a great job. This was a very demanding video to edit but I'm so glad it paid off in the end. I look forward to working with both of em again in the future.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren Ah, that's extremely great to hear, and I'm just glad for Ian to be a part of this, as he recently had a few problems with the trainz community and he left recently, and rusty has been posting several clips of this specific crash waaaay before you ever even announced this project. I hope you 3 can get together in the future to create more awesome content and I wish you 3 the best of luck in your future endeavours. -Squeaksfor2
It's seriously sad there's no monument there. I'd love to use the Ad revenue from this video alone to fund a possible monument there cause the ugly scar of land shouldn't be what marks the spot of disaster.
That Terminator 2 tanker chase music you used was surprisingly fitting for this runaway representation. It wasn’t just some kid-friendly accident where you use that ttte trouble music. Oh-no. These accidents had body counts. Of course, may the victims of this accident rest in peace, and thoughts go out to the families who may still remember them. Also, have a safe flight to Italy, Thunder!
It's honestly one of my favorite tracks to use, it's such an intense battle of synth notes that really builds up the tension of what's to come. I used the same theme in other videos namely the 1996 runaway (shortened) and the Tangiwai accident. Am I overusing it? Maybe but it's just too friggin good.
If can recall correctly it’s from the Runaway Train when manny spotted the train he wanted after escaping prison correct me if I’m could have been used in multiple movies 🍿 👍 fina go and watch now I love that movie as a kid haven’t seen it in about 20 yrs
Fascinating Horror just recently did a video on this disaster, but it's always great to see a more in-depth look at it from you. The lessons learned from this disaster should never be forgotten by anyone.
That was a horrifying train derailment. One moment, the people were in the neighbor hood, having their breakfast, or were taking a shower, the next, they were crushed to death. May these 6 victims rest in peace. R.I.P.
My, god, this was totally an awesome remastered version, even quite better than the old version, but hey you certainly did a great job on this remastered version along with the people and users that helped out on it too. Great job. 😁👍
Again, the amount of effort this man puts in his videos/remakes of previous videos is actually amazing, like that entire runaway train scene, that was exceptional work my good sir. Not something you see much in modern Hollywood these days. (Excluding recent good movies made by passionate people like Puss and Boots: The Last Wish, and the Super Mario Bros Movie)
My brother used to clerk at Mojave. He was an operator. He told me a trick about how much a car weighs. You look at the springs. If they are fully collapsed to the max that tells you a lot!
Nice remaster. A lot better than the original video. My parents heard about the runway train and the fire on the news. They said it was awful. They were in their 20s, my brother was 4, and my sister was 3. Even though the city never built a memorial at the site where the accident happened, Southern Pacific did erected a memorial of Everett Crown & Alan Reese at the Tehachapi Loop called, The Cross At The Loop. I really didn't know that the Cajon Pass was plagued by 3 runaway trains. My mom and dad are still together, and been married for 38 years.
Great job on this documentary man. This remastered version gave more information from the old one. The editing style and the music and everything was the best it could be. This is my favorite doc from you. Hope to catch you in the next one!
It's so sad that so many people went through this, including those crew members, the residents, and the rescue workers. Though it's been 34 years since it happened. Although taking a look at it, I would say it was a very tragedy and it could have been prevented. But I'm not a what people think I am, but talking about it and seeing how they can prevent those incidents from happening ever again.
I watched the original about 3 years ago and thought your video was great! Now I watch the remastered version and WOW, your computer graphics are so much better, and your presentation is even better than it was. Horrible tragedy, but hopefully, everyone learns from others mistakes.
Nice work on the Remastering, I'd remembered that many other channels had videos of the 1989 Cajon Pass Runaway Incident, there was the RUclips Channel Wonder Docs, that had a video of the incident that was probably from a TV Show that showed disasters from Trains to Airplanes to many other things, your video does a better job of telling the story better than the one they had.
Sad part is the rail line was probably there first. People who have home/buy homes need to understand the risks. In my life I have passed on buying hundreds of homes I looked at ..one a home within 800 feet of a rail line and also several properties with and next to gas line easements. I also passed on two near brooks/ streams. In ALL cases these were wise decisions on my part: the rail line had a chlorine leak 5 years later and the neighborhood had to be evacuated. The house near the 2 foot gas line later expanded it to 4 feet! There where also gas leaks that permeated the ground and the neighborhood had to be ground purged. Both stream houses have flooded due to the abnormal weather in the past years..and one was eve demolished and the land taken over by the town. I myself still deal with traffic issues with property but I knew it would be an issue 20 years after I went for it...and now as I predicted...it is. However the value and other changes have offset this known, predicted problem. If you decide to live next to any infrastructure ...it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN..you are responsible for yourself every day of you life and your decisions... HOME OWNER BEWARE
Okay, so, the rail disaster documentaries on thgis channel were already pretty good, but it's amazing to see you remaster this content, simply because you can do it in higher quality. Major cudos to you!
Thank you for the video, I will share it with my brother. It's been years if not decades, since I've been back there. That was our house that was destroyed and my 2 brothers that perished.
Man, I have watched your Cajon videos so many times now, but this remaster shot it out of the park! I cannot wait on which video will be the next remastered one!
I love how much better this is than the original, the old version didn't make me feel the same way this one does. it's told a lot better. and I love that you kept the windows xp sound effects
I'm surprised anyone was willing to ever built a home again by that bend. For many many years that entire lot was empty, until a single home 2382 Duffy St. was constructed.
This is a great remaster, thanks. It is just crazy that SP had their locomotives in such disrepair. Another interesting thing to think about is just past Duffy street is where the grade shallows out as you are now on the valley floor. West Colton is on the far side of the city, so they are basically saying they would have to go all the way across town to stop. I suppose the valley isn't completely flat, but West Colton is where you can start going back up a hill. In other words, they are saying they have 0 braking power. They went all the way down the Cajon Pass and were just coming into the major population center on the valley floor when they flew off the tracks. So they actually made it pretty far and almost out of the danger zone in terms of brakes melting when they flew off of the tracks. While the railroading industry has resisted smart freight cars, I have to wonder if this is a big mistake. Some things I think they could gain from adding some sophistication to their freight cars that would overcome the cost of adding the smarts are: 1. Electronic braking - If you have ever seen any of these trains going up and down Cajon Pass, there is a constant bang! bang! bang! of numerous flat spots on the wheels. Something tells me full freight cars get mixed with empty ones and over time a large percentage of the cars end up with flat spots between wheel changes. I suspect a lot of this happens going up and down this grade, though I suppose you could develop flat spots anywhere. While you can still have air for backwards compatibility, an electronic system on each car could have electronics block the air while active and electronically apply the brakes. Maybe you just refill the reservoir while in electronic bypass mode. Not having such a system has got to cost in both more frequent wheel changes, more track maintenance as the tracks get beat up, especially once the car has a full load in it again, and reduced efficiency dragging around wheels that are not round anymore. Granted the nearby Metrolink trains tend to vibrate like crazy because they just keep running on those wheels with flat spots until the wheels take on a somewhat smoothed out, but lumpy shape. Anyways the Westinghouse braking system is not infallible and it is not fast acting on huge trains while an electronic system would be much better in both regards. 2. Electronic scales - No need to slowly move freight cars across scales if the scales are built into the cars. This is just not hard to do. Sounds like it would save a tonne of time and thus money if the train weight was electronically gathered this way and sent over to the lead locomotive. Also, sent to the train company's central computer so they can make sure these trains are run safely and have proper billing to their customers. A big reason for having electronic scales on the freight cars is so the onboard computer can calculate how much braking force to apply without it leading to the wheels locking up. 3. Onboard hot box detectors - Sometimes trains derail because bearings go out between hot box detectors. Anyways, I am sure the crew would be much happier if instead of hearing the hot box detectors at regular intervals as their train passes over them, they just get a warning the moment a hot box is detected through their computer system. The rest of the time they are not hearing anything because there are no problems to report. 4. Electronically controlled automatic couplers - No more need to manually uncouple cars. You just send the command from a central computer. If you have modern electronic control of all of the freight cars, you don't actually need any connections between the cars besides the automatic couplers, so this can lead to very fast assembly and disassembly of trains. 4. Motorized cars with batteries - This can have a whole host of uses. They can move themselves around the freight yards, allowing trains to be built and dismantled quickly. Maybe you just do one pass at the end to connect any lines between cars. You could do regenerative braking on the cars. You could do dynamic braking on the cars when the batteries are full. The cars could help get the train up to speed and help the train go over hills. You could have train cars deliver themselves to customer businesses on small railroad spurs off of the main line. Maybe if you don't want to go full self driving, you could remote control the cars or have someone ride on the car with a controller in hand. Maybe you even have say a little fold out chair the operator sits on and a controller they grab and hold as they move the train car(s) around. Considering regenerative braking and even solar panels for some car types, you don't need a power bus from the locomotives to operate such cars, though it wouldn't hurt either. As the locomotives still provide primary tractive power to move the train around, these would be small helper systems adding a lot of advantages for a small price. Maybe you have 480V AC connectors on these cars if for some reason you need to charge up the batteries on these cars. I suppose this could be something you do when assembling a train at the base of a long grade so the batteries are fully charged before going up the grade.
Hey! That helper video was taken in Altoona! Fyi, the grade from Altoona to Johnstown is often too much for current length and weight trains. Previously if articulated cars were in a consist, only one helper could be used, now it is common to see Allegheny telling helpers to fire up the other engine just to aviod stalling.
This was really well presented, I really got into it and it was quite scary, the ending was pretty sad.. awesome job drawing in the viewer and making them feel strong emotions and become invested. Can you do the east Palestine Ohio one. I'm from Ohio
Dang, dude, you’ve gotten to be a really impressive producer/director/narrator and so forth. I’ve been watching your videos for years. Love the dramatic effects. Well done!
It's impressive when you find out they're all the same person lol. The only time I get outside help is people who make simulations for me or collaborate with info and narration. Usually I'm a 1 man band
I used to live very, very close to where this happened, in a house that was only 3 blocks away from a rail line Always had the irrational fear that one day shit would turn for the worse, thankfully nothing ever happened but still
Great job on the remastered version of the 1989 Cajon Pass train wreck!! Another successful remake, and even if you don't remake the 1994 and 1996 train wrecks, it's fine.
You did an amazing job on this! I think the original Cajon video was one of the very first videos of yours that I watched, and it was good too. You immediately became one of my favorite content creators. I really enjoyed the train simulations-really great job on those. Have a great time in Italy, eat some delicious food and catch some trains! Safe travels!
Great job! I recently started commuting on the San bernardino metro. And just of curiosity I looked up derailment sure enough see the 1989 derailment. And week later in recommended this by youtube. By coincidence I got stuck in Vegas by the 94-96 derailment. Can't recall which one was carrying chemicals. That closed the Cajon.
Yesterday, I was on a bike ride from the town of Frankfort to west of Hampden, Maine taking the back roads. During my bike ride, I saw a train in the distance when I was crossing the 2nd crossing. It was on.... Let's say you go to a gas station in Winterport and turn left on whig st, and there is a 5 way intersection, you either take left or go straight I believe (when turning left, you encounter a 3 way intersection and you turn right, then both roads lead to the same road but I suggest you go straight from the 5 way) keep going and you should turn up to a couple of crossing of the same line. I saw a couple of people (possibly RUclipsrs) filming a video about the same train I witnessed. I wait for the train to cross further away from the crossing. I resumed bike riding after the train passed. Also the train goes down from Bangor(probably not originated from) to Belfast every Monday and Thursday at daytime.
This was absolutely a wonderfully remastered masterpiece, i do hope you will remake the other 2 cajon pass videos. But all up to you, hooe you have a nice time in italy.
First, I cannot believe it's been that long since this crash. Second, I noticed a little quirk of yours that brings me a bit of levity despite the generally sad if useful to safety outcomes. It's the fact that you tend to say things like, "fatally killed" or in this one "fatally burned alive" the use of what I see as double negatives generally causes me to smile a bit. Third I thought the graphics here were awesomely done.
1:44 Finally, someone who said grande (gron-day) right. As someone from arizona & new Mexico, this is amazing. And yes, grammatically it is pronounced that way.
In 1989,an CN cargo train is going forward the train changes the things in the trains,it was going very but VERY FAST..an neighborhood is spotted,2 kids were watching trains,until,disaster strikes...*epic crash sounds*,*houses destroying*,the 2 kids died but caused alot of damage...this is the beginning of:The Cajon Pass Collection-1989-1996.
It's interesting that it derailed so late in the descent. It's about 30 miles from summit to colton yard and it only had 5-7 miles to go. The steepest part of cajon pass is the top of the south slope if I remember correctly, and I'm suprised all that weight didn't overpower the brakes then, even with dynamic still working.
No...the SP track is a constant 2.2% grade from Hiland to where they derailed at Duffy St. Santa Fe engineering dept. measured it at 2.5% during the SF/SP merger talks.
This incident makes my wonder why steep railroad tracks don't have a switch to derail setup similar to Runaway Truck Ramps that exists to allow trucks that loose their brakes going down hill to stop
I love your videos Thunder!!!. There was a train crash that happend near me in Bristol Conneticut. Can you do a video about it. Happend in 2019 I belive.
that was cool using the music from "runaway train"! I grew up a half a block away from the KCS main un Westville Ok. and I always had that thought in the back of my mind, what if this happened at the end of the street were the switch to the feed mill was. I never wanted to derail, but a train loaded with acids, crude oil, LPG, chlorine gas.... if one picked the points, all we would be able to do would be to RUN!! I dont think that we could get far enough away before all that dangerous poison reached us in our town of only about 5,000 people. the tracks ran right through the middle of town. but that says somthing for KCS quality. I saw 1 derailment before they went to constant welded rail, 9 loaded coal cars, and the BN caboose. it didnt turn all the way over, but it throwed the conductor out of the top and into the door knocking him out. it was a hell of a sight! we were crossing the tracks as it went around the bend into a giant cloud of black dust, and a roar I have never heard before, or ever after!
The most terrifying aspect of this accident that nobody is talking about is how the train was originally supposed to go down the mountain with just 3 locomotives, all at the front, with no helpers originally. Assuming that 7551 did not have dynamics even if powered on, that would mean that the train would’ve had no dynamic brakes going down Cajon Pass. That is very unsettling…
That's just scary as only 9340 would have dynamics that did anything (if 7551 also had bad dynamics) that's literally scary to think. It also proves I learn new info about a wreck everytime AFTER the video's released
I seriously think “We have a slight problem” is the understatement of the century.
Amen
On the same level as apollo 13's "Houston, we may have a problem"
Yeah that one falls in around the same territory as "I'm not sure if we can trust politicians that are allowed to receive corporate donations"
If I knew my fate was unavoidable and also was aware of a black-box recording, I would whoop it up and give it my best “YEEEHAAAWWW!” right as my vehicle was crashing. At least I could provide a good lol for everyone, even from the grave.
I believe the reason they said a slight problem is because the train wasn't going over 80 yet.
Your 3D recreation of the accident is some of your best work by far. It felt cinematic and really hit home how serious this accident was. Solid work, as always, and have fun in Italy!
I believe he used Trainz simulator
Which is the hottest one.
Question darkness if you do a southern pacific video will you talk about this incident
Hey Dark! Love your videos.
Same love your videos too!
Oh hello history in the dark
My great Uncle Charlie was an engineer in the 1920s to 1950s in California. I remember my mother or father telling me how he had a heart attack during a trip through Tehachipi. I remember something about the a "dead pedal" which was supposed to stop the train in case anything happened to the engineer. Uncle Charlie fell forward and kept his foot on the dead pedal causing a runaway. Fortunately, the conductor/brakeman were able to stop the train. Uncle Charlie survived, but never sat in the cab again. We visited them a couple times when I was like 2-4 years old. He had a stack of railroading mags on their coffee table that my older brother and I pigged out on. I'll never forget that. It is when I fell in love with trains!
My mother worked as a telegraph operator for the railroads somewhere in Simi Valley during WWII passing messages to conductors, brakemen or engineers when cab forward trains came racing out of the mountains at 80-90 mph. Since we were in a war, rules were not always followed. It was essential to get war materials to the coasts as quickly as possible to supply our troops. Armed soldiers sat atop the trains. No railroad employee was allowed to quit or walk off their jobs. The trains coming off the mountains used to scare her so badly that she occasionally wet her pants. 😊
Very cool stuff. Thanks for sharing!
I remember this like it was yesterday. After both tragic events, I was hired to photograph the reconstruction of the pipeline by a welding company out of Arizona. They wanted to make sure with photographic evidence that they were doing the welding properly so as to not get sued later. They were cutting the pipe and inspecting for any other damage before welding in new pipe. I felt so bad for the victims of this tragedy. The clean up had already been done when I got there, but you could still see the amount of property destruction caused. Their are jobs that demand the absolute concentration and attention to detail in order to keep the public safe. Railroading is definitely one of those jobs!
34 years later, and this runaway still hasn’t been forgotten. This document is much better than the one you made in 2018. RIP in best to the victims of this disaster. Also Have Fun in Italy on June 13th, and I hope you catch an Italian train.
Very right bro.
nobody cares
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Dude, the trailer looks amazing. And to think it has now officially been 34 years since this was the first of 3 runaways down the Cajon Pass.
Yea bro like its insane
@@veronicaboziere3678 agreed
your right
Just a correction, the first cajon pass runaway was in 1974
@@notarotomwithhair5637 I’ve never heard of a runaway in 1974. That’s new to me.
This was really well done. I could tell a lot of work went into this video for our enjoyment.
I heard Mojave mentioned in this video more than once. That is my hometown where I was born and raised until I left in 1996. For a desert town of only 3,000 people, there was a lot going on. Two major highways met through town, and three railways also carved their spot in the middle of our community- Santa Fe, Southern Pacific, and Trona Railway. I loved growing up in a railroad town because there was never a quiet moment. Throughout the day, at least one locomotive blasted through town every few minutes, and at night you could hear the whistling of turbochargers from the engines idling on the tracks.
I remember as kids, we would wait for the caboose of Santa Fe locomotives and yell for water. He would toss several yellow and blue cartons of ice cold water out the window, most of which broke when they hit the ground. I wish I had saved some of those cartons, I am sure they would be worth some money now.
What bums me out is the railroad seems to have no connection to their history. At one time there was a Harvey House next to the railroad tracks. It hadn't been used in years, but it was a part of Mojave's history. The railroad got rid of it and the old wheelhouse. There was also an old train station that was used until the early 1970s. It is long gone too. Now the rail yard in town looks kind of bland. But, I guess times change and things have to keep up.
When I left Mojave in 1996, I didn't move far but the town I live in has no railroad. It took me a long time to get used to sleeping with no sound at night. That may sound unusual but I had grown used to listening to the railroad at night. You really do miss living in a railroad town if you move.
This is just plain excellent. Well researched, well presented, professional-level production values. Wonderful job!
The helper engineer did not lie. When the helper engineer said he was in full he means he has set the controls to maximum dynamic braking. With a short heavy train, and about to go down Cajon Pass, the engineers should have had a discussion about how many working units they had. Shorter trains mean fewer brakes and curves don’t take effect. All this should have, and would have been discussed, with more experienced engine crews in this operating area. Crown and Reese very experienced but they weren’t driving. The accident might have happened anyway, but the more experienced crew would have been more cautious and attentive to braking details. I know, I was a brakeman for SP and have worked this territory.
Bro learned the the truth and he is saying the right thing.
Where is Dave Carson these days?
@@donstarr7261 I worked with Dave. I think it was a trip to Fresno. We are both Mojave High graduates.
You did a fine job explaining the train handling failures that caused this incident. Bravo!
If 8278 had full Dynamics, then when it got scrapped, what happened to its full Dynamics?
SP asked the manufacturer EMD, to set the locomotives up to where when in emergency, the dynamics cutout. It takes about 60-75 seconds to reset the dynamics. The reason the locomotives are set to do this is to prevent the train breaking apart into sections that can collide. The front section slows more after the train breaks in two if dynamics remain on. This cause that faster moving rear section to collide with front section. Since this accident, the locomotives are no longer setup that way. When you go into emergency today, the dynamics stay on. If the train breaks in two, and a rear section rams into the front section so be it.
Interesting information, thanks for sharing.
Did it rain on the fully loaded hoppers prior to the event ?.
The 3D recreation was EPIC, and using music from Runaway Train to begin is perfect
Thanks!
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I remember this train crash. You did a great job of documenting everything and explaining what happened. Also in listing the changes made to help prevent this from happening again. Take care, and safe travels.
90 mph! That's 145 km/h! Jesus Christ😮! If "remastering" also means the graphics, or virtual presentation of the train disaster, it's an absolute success! Thanks & all the best from Germany!
Appreciate it!
10:05 I'm very impressed by this scene. The editing is great, I liked that some of the bogies aren't on the derailed hoppers, pretty much EVERYTHING! It must've taken you a long time to pull it off.
Thunder didnt make the trainz scenes, if you were paying attention you would know that RustyRail Productions and Ian H. made all the trainz scenes
Edit: Ian H. Is now Miles L.
As traincrew (in another country, and working passenger trains), i feel so badly for the guys working this train.
Faulty equipment and underestimated weights . . . They relied on good maintenance and accurate paperwork . . . And they were badly let down.
Amazing work on the documentary!
RustyRails and Ian really outdid themselves on the recreation footage of the wreck!
I can see a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears went into this project, and was definitely an upgrade from the other videos from you, Thunderbolt!
Rusty was dying to do a collab with me and he was working on recreating the 1989 runaway anyway so this was his chance to work with me. Ian had the crash footage for a while if i remember righty and yes he did a great job. This was a very demanding video to edit but I'm so glad it paid off in the end. I look forward to working with both of em again in the future.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren Ah, that's extremely great to hear, and I'm just glad for Ian to be a part of this, as he recently had a few problems with the trainz community and he left recently, and rusty has been posting several clips of this specific crash waaaay before you ever even announced this project.
I hope you 3 can get together in the future to create more awesome content and I wish you 3 the best of luck in your future endeavours.
-Squeaksfor2
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenWhat music sounds did you use?
@@Gojira160 All music is listed in the end credits
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenCan you show me the link of the music name in the descent chapter?
Cool remastered version! It’s very unfortunate as it probably still haunts residents that still live near the derailment and explosion area.
It's seriously sad there's no monument there. I'd love to use the Ad revenue from this video alone to fund a possible monument there cause the ugly scar of land shouldn't be what marks the spot of disaster.
That Terminator 2 tanker chase music you used was surprisingly fitting for this runaway representation. It wasn’t just some kid-friendly accident where you use that ttte trouble music. Oh-no. These accidents had body counts.
Of course, may the victims of this accident rest in peace, and thoughts go out to the families who may still remember them.
Also, have a safe flight to Italy, Thunder!
It's honestly one of my favorite tracks to use, it's such an intense battle of synth notes that really builds up the tension of what's to come. I used the same theme in other videos namely the 1996 runaway (shortened) and the Tangiwai accident. Am I overusing it? Maybe but it's just too friggin good.
If can recall correctly it’s from the Runaway Train when manny spotted the train he wanted after escaping prison correct me if I’m could have been used in multiple movies 🍿 👍 fina go and watch now I love that movie as a kid haven’t seen it in about 20 yrs
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren can agree. But for some reason, i am unable to find the rescore on YT.
Is there a source you still have to it?
@@ItsThomasTank It's likely the original video containing said track may of been taken down.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren Darn. Thats a bummer.
But thanks for trying to help out man.
Fascinating Horror just recently did a video on this disaster, but it's always great to see a more in-depth look at it from you. The lessons learned from this disaster should never be forgotten by anyone.
That was a horrifying train derailment. One moment, the people were in the neighbor hood, having their breakfast, or were taking a shower, the next, they were crushed to death. May these 6 victims rest in peace. R.I.P.
My, god, this was totally an awesome remastered version, even quite better than the old version, but hey you certainly did a great job on this remastered version along with the people and users that helped out on it too. Great job. 😁👍
Honestly, if the documentary is just as, if not better, than the trailer, I can’t wait!
Again, the amount of effort this man puts in his videos/remakes of previous videos is actually amazing, like that entire runaway train scene, that was exceptional work my good sir. Not something you see much in modern Hollywood these days. (Excluding recent good movies made by passionate people like Puss and Boots: The Last Wish, and the Super Mario Bros Movie)
You keep remaking, i'll keep rewatching. And so will my kids and my friends geeky enough to appreciate your production
I will use this video on my safety talk next week, I've been a conductor for almost 18 years, and this is a nightmare.
My brother used to clerk at Mojave. He was an operator. He told me a trick about how much a car weighs. You look at the springs. If they are fully collapsed to the max that tells you a lot!
Fantastic Video ... thankyou, as someone living and working rail in UK this was fab as easy to follow and raised the critical parts of the story
Nice remaster. A lot better than the original video. My parents heard about the runway train and the fire on the news. They said it was awful. They were in their 20s, my brother was 4, and my sister was 3. Even though the city never built a memorial at the site where the accident happened, Southern Pacific did erected a memorial of Everett Crown & Alan Reese at the Tehachapi Loop called, The Cross At The Loop. I really didn't know that the Cajon Pass was plagued by 3 runaway trains. My mom and dad are still together, and been married for 38 years.
Great job on this documentary man. This remastered version gave more information from the old one. The editing style and the music and everything was the best it could be. This is my favorite doc from you. Hope to catch you in the next one!
You know, the other day I was actually wondering if you were gonna redo this one. I guess I'm psychic
To test your apparent powers: what is the next documentary that Thunderbolt will remaster?
@@LegoWormNoah101 My prediction is that either the Hinton Collision or the Frankford Junction Accident will be his next remaster
Damn you’re right
Remember how enthusiastic he was though! Practically yelling into the mic.
Physic isn’t real. Turn To Jesus Christ. He Loves You. In Jesus Almighty Mighty Name I Pray Amen ❤️🙏❤️✝️
Hats off to the all the efforts and hard-work involved in making this remaster! Also that usage of Cicada track was straight on point!🙌🌟💯
It's so sad that so many people went through this, including those crew members, the residents, and the rescue workers. Though it's been 34 years since it happened. Although taking a look at it, I would say it was a very tragedy and it could have been prevented. But I'm not a what people think I am, but talking about it and seeing how they can prevent those incidents from happening ever again.
You can't really prevent trains from crashing, no matter how many safety features are being used.
@@amerikasanimations77 True. But we can learn lessons and reduce the servility of the crashes and make them less frequent
#1 dont allow houses and people to live near tracks
@@Driftking0311 First lesson...if you don't want risk don't live in houses near tracks or gas lines
What a surprise to see this on here, I was out there when this happened, was an awful mess, the traffic was a mess, I'll never forget that
May God comfort the families of those who perished. My sincerest condolences. Excellent documentary. Superb animation. Many thanks for this.
I watched the original about 3 years ago and thought your video was great! Now I watch the remastered version and WOW, your computer graphics are so much better, and your presentation is even better than it was. Horrible tragedy, but hopefully, everyone learns from others mistakes.
Nice work on the Remastering, I'd remembered that many other channels had videos of the 1989 Cajon Pass Runaway Incident, there was the RUclips Channel Wonder Docs, that had a video of the incident that was probably from a TV Show that showed disasters from Trains to Airplanes to many other things, your video does a better job of telling the story better than the one they had.
These remasters as are just getting better, excellently done chap!
Sad part is the rail line was probably there first. People who have home/buy homes need to understand the risks. In my life I have passed on buying hundreds of homes I looked at ..one a home within 800 feet of a rail line and also several properties with and next to gas line easements. I also passed on two near brooks/ streams. In ALL cases these were wise decisions on my part: the rail line had a chlorine leak 5 years later and the neighborhood had to be evacuated. The house near the 2 foot gas line later expanded it to 4 feet! There where also gas leaks that permeated the ground and the neighborhood had to be ground purged. Both stream houses have flooded due to the abnormal weather in the past years..and one was eve demolished and the land taken over by the town. I myself still deal with traffic issues with property but I knew it would be an issue 20 years after I went for it...and now as I predicted...it is. However the value and other changes have offset this known, predicted problem.
If you decide to live next to any infrastructure ...it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN..you are responsible for yourself every day of you life and your decisions... HOME OWNER BEWARE
Okay, so, the rail disaster documentaries on thgis channel were already pretty good, but it's amazing to see you remaster this content, simply because you can do it in higher quality. Major cudos to you!
Thank you for the video, I will share it with my brother. It's been years if not decades, since I've been back there. That was our house that was destroyed and my 2 brothers that perished.
Man, I have watched your Cajon videos so many times now, but this remaster shot it out of the park! I cannot wait on which video will be the next remastered one!
I love how much better this is than the original, the old version didn't make me feel the same way this one does. it's told a lot better.
and I love that you kept the windows xp sound effects
On June 22nd, be sure to do “The Hagenbeck-Wallace Circus Train Wreck 105 Years Later”. That was in Ivanhoe, a neighborhood in Gary, Indiana
Cool idea
I had no idea that the cicrus train had a accident what did the cicrus train hit
@@jacobdubielak An empty Army troop train, as this was during World War I, plowed into the back of the train because the engineer slept on the job
@GoseiGuyProductions what a idiot engineer
Fuc, that’s today!
I'm surprised anyone was willing to ever built a home again by that bend. For many many years that entire lot was empty, until a single home 2382 Duffy St. was constructed.
Really nice remaster of one of my favorite wreck documentaries, keep up the great work and can’t wait to see more remasters
This is a great remaster, thanks. It is just crazy that SP had their locomotives in such disrepair. Another interesting thing to think about is just past Duffy street is where the grade shallows out as you are now on the valley floor. West Colton is on the far side of the city, so they are basically saying they would have to go all the way across town to stop. I suppose the valley isn't completely flat, but West Colton is where you can start going back up a hill. In other words, they are saying they have 0 braking power. They went all the way down the Cajon Pass and were just coming into the major population center on the valley floor when they flew off the tracks. So they actually made it pretty far and almost out of the danger zone in terms of brakes melting when they flew off of the tracks.
While the railroading industry has resisted smart freight cars, I have to wonder if this is a big mistake. Some things I think they could gain from adding some sophistication to their freight cars that would overcome the cost of adding the smarts are:
1. Electronic braking - If you have ever seen any of these trains going up and down Cajon Pass, there is a constant bang! bang! bang! of numerous flat spots on the wheels. Something tells me full freight cars get mixed with empty ones and over time a large percentage of the cars end up with flat spots between wheel changes. I suspect a lot of this happens going up and down this grade, though I suppose you could develop flat spots anywhere. While you can still have air for backwards compatibility, an electronic system on each car could have electronics block the air while active and electronically apply the brakes. Maybe you just refill the reservoir while in electronic bypass mode. Not having such a system has got to cost in both more frequent wheel changes, more track maintenance as the tracks get beat up, especially once the car has a full load in it again, and reduced efficiency dragging around wheels that are not round anymore. Granted the nearby Metrolink trains tend to vibrate like crazy because they just keep running on those wheels with flat spots until the wheels take on a somewhat smoothed out, but lumpy shape. Anyways the Westinghouse braking system is not infallible and it is not fast acting on huge trains while an electronic system would be much better in both regards.
2. Electronic scales - No need to slowly move freight cars across scales if the scales are built into the cars. This is just not hard to do. Sounds like it would save a tonne of time and thus money if the train weight was electronically gathered this way and sent over to the lead locomotive. Also, sent to the train company's central computer so they can make sure these trains are run safely and have proper billing to their customers. A big reason for having electronic scales on the freight cars is so the onboard computer can calculate how much braking force to apply without it leading to the wheels locking up.
3. Onboard hot box detectors - Sometimes trains derail because bearings go out between hot box detectors. Anyways, I am sure the crew would be much happier if instead of hearing the hot box detectors at regular intervals as their train passes over them, they just get a warning the moment a hot box is detected through their computer system. The rest of the time they are not hearing anything because there are no problems to report.
4. Electronically controlled automatic couplers - No more need to manually uncouple cars. You just send the command from a central computer. If you have modern electronic control of all of the freight cars, you don't actually need any connections between the cars besides the automatic couplers, so this can lead to very fast assembly and disassembly of trains.
4. Motorized cars with batteries - This can have a whole host of uses. They can move themselves around the freight yards, allowing trains to be built and dismantled quickly. Maybe you just do one pass at the end to connect any lines between cars. You could do regenerative braking on the cars. You could do dynamic braking on the cars when the batteries are full. The cars could help get the train up to speed and help the train go over hills. You could have train cars deliver themselves to customer businesses on small railroad spurs off of the main line. Maybe if you don't want to go full self driving, you could remote control the cars or have someone ride on the car with a controller in hand. Maybe you even have say a little fold out chair the operator sits on and a controller they grab and hold as they move the train car(s) around. Considering regenerative braking and even solar panels for some car types, you don't need a power bus from the locomotives to operate such cars, though it wouldn't hurt either. As the locomotives still provide primary tractive power to move the train around, these would be small helper systems adding a lot of advantages for a small price. Maybe you have 480V AC connectors on these cars if for some reason you need to charge up the batteries on these cars. I suppose this could be something you do when assembling a train at the base of a long grade so the batteries are fully charged before going up the grade.
Hey! That helper video was taken in Altoona! Fyi, the grade from Altoona to Johnstown is often too much for current length and weight trains. Previously if articulated cars were in a consist, only one helper could be used, now it is common to see Allegheny telling helpers to fire up the other engine just to aviod stalling.
Dude, please do more remasters this one rocked
This was really well presented, I really got into it and it was quite scary, the ending was pretty sad.. awesome job drawing in the viewer and making them feel strong emotions and become invested. Can you do the east Palestine Ohio one. I'm from Ohio
Dang, dude, you’ve gotten to be a really impressive producer/director/narrator and so forth. I’ve been watching your videos for years. Love the dramatic effects. Well done!
It's impressive when you find out they're all the same person lol. The only time I get outside help is people who make simulations for me or collaborate with info and narration. Usually I'm a 1 man band
I used to live very, very close to where this happened, in a house that was only 3 blocks away from a rail line
Always had the irrational fear that one day shit would turn for the worse, thankfully nothing ever happened but still
This story was tragic, but the narration was Awesome! Great Job
That's why Will hit the independent brake when 1206 was at the Stanton Curve, yeah good advice Frank
Great job on the remastered version of the 1989 Cajon Pass train wreck!! Another successful remake, and even if you don't remake the 1994 and 1996 train wrecks, it's fine.
You did an amazing job on this! I think the original Cajon video was one of the very first videos of yours that I watched, and it was good too. You immediately became one of my favorite content creators. I really enjoyed the train simulations-really great job on those. Have a great time in Italy, eat some delicious food and catch some trains! Safe travels!
10:30 that subtle World At War soundtrack creeping in made the hair on my neck raise.
Great Informational Video! Thanks for uploading! You Rule!
Great job!
I recently started commuting on the San bernardino metro.
And just of curiosity I looked up derailment sure enough see the 1989 derailment.
And week later in recommended this by youtube.
By coincidence I got stuck in Vegas by the 94-96 derailment.
Can't recall which one was carrying chemicals. That closed the Cajon.
That was the 96 one. 94 was just merchandise vs coal with the only fires being from spilled diesel if memory serves me right.
Yesterday, I was on a bike ride from the town of Frankfort to west of Hampden, Maine taking the back roads. During my bike ride, I saw a train in the distance when I was crossing the 2nd crossing. It was on.... Let's say you go to a gas station in Winterport and turn left on whig st, and there is a 5 way intersection, you either take left or go straight I believe (when turning left, you encounter a 3 way intersection and you turn right, then both roads lead to the same road but I suggest you go straight from the 5 way) keep going and you should turn up to a couple of crossing of the same line. I saw a couple of people (possibly RUclipsrs) filming a video about the same train I witnessed. I wait for the train to cross further away from the crossing. I resumed bike riding after the train passed. Also the train goes down from Bangor(probably not originated from) to Belfast every Monday and Thursday at daytime.
I saw this so many times I used to watch you today my mind was thinking of train wrecks i trying to find you for like a hour
I like how you did both disasters on Duffy street. Also, I think it would be cool for you to do a documentary on the Kismet Train Collision.
I’ve been watching you for years and thx for the sad information 😢
Great work on this.
Love that COD WAW music you used. Ubet Zombies and train fan here !!
Yo lets go!!! It's been a while since we looked at cajon pass, so this'll be a fine one
This was absolutely a wonderfully remastered masterpiece, i do hope you will remake the other 2 cajon pass videos. But all up to you, hooe you have a nice time in italy.
Great job remastering it.
This is amazing
The train simulation
Reconstructed the whole event as it happened
That is absolutely amazing
It just started and I already love it.
Here in Brazil in the last week we talk about 5313 in the MRS Facebook groups, and she still in service today in MRS Logistica.
First, I cannot believe it's been that long since this crash. Second, I noticed a little quirk of yours that brings me a bit of levity despite the generally sad if useful to safety outcomes. It's the fact that you tend to say things like, "fatally killed" or in this one "fatally burned alive" the use of what I see as double negatives generally causes me to smile a bit. Third I thought the graphics here were awesomely done.
Nice touch using the World At War theme. Nostalgia hits hard.
Wow thanks for your service to the public!!
This documentary is 1000x better than the original
Facts
Best cajon pass runaway documentary ive ever seen
1:44 Finally, someone who said grande (gron-day) right. As someone from arizona & new Mexico, this is amazing. And yes, grammatically it is pronounced that way.
Same
This was much more informative and looks real good.
Also enjoy your holiday Thunderbolt.
In 1989,an CN cargo train is going forward the train changes the things in the trains,it was going very but VERY FAST..an neighborhood is spotted,2 kids were watching trains,until,disaster strikes...*epic crash sounds*,*houses destroying*,the 2 kids died but caused alot of damage...this is the beginning of:The Cajon Pass Collection-1989-1996.
Man I love your remake! The original is amazing, but this remake is fantastic!
It's interesting that it derailed so late in the descent. It's about 30 miles from summit to colton yard and it only had 5-7 miles to go. The steepest part of cajon pass is the top of the south slope if I remember correctly, and I'm suprised all that weight didn't overpower the brakes then, even with dynamic still working.
No...the SP track is a constant 2.2% grade from Hiland to where they derailed at Duffy St. Santa Fe engineering dept. measured it at 2.5% during the SF/SP merger talks.
I’m glad your back making docs, there so entertaining
Nice train remastered version!
I lived a couple miles away from there during this incident when I was a kid. I still remember thinking it was an earthquake initially.
This incident makes my wonder why steep railroad tracks don't have a switch to derail setup similar to Runaway Truck Ramps that exists to allow trucks that loose their brakes going down hill to stop
After this video, I looked on google maps at Duffy street, and there is a noticeable lack of houses on the curve of the track. What a tragedy.
Hearing about that UP runaway that was said to hit 120-140mph made me think of the big 3 Cajon Pass runaways
That was really good, informative and engaging. Great job!
Great job Thomas!
love this vid I watch the old one so much this is a masterpiece all of your vids are a masterpiece😁
will you remake the other two
Many don't klnow that the CONDUCTOR is the boss of a train, The Engineer is only the Driver.
It's such an interesting novelty as train crews are conductors before they become engineers.
I seen this Documentary on what happened in San Bernadino you seem to Recreate it Perfectly too Kudos!
I love your videos Thunder!!!. There was a train crash that happend near me in Bristol Conneticut. Can you do a video about it. Happend in 2019 I belive.
Awesome Remaster!
that was cool using the music from "runaway train"!
I grew up a half a block away from the KCS main un Westville Ok. and I always had that thought in the back of my mind, what if this happened at the end of the street were the switch to the feed mill was. I never wanted to derail, but a train loaded with acids, crude oil, LPG, chlorine gas.... if one picked the points, all we would be able to do would be to RUN!! I dont think that we could get far enough away before all that dangerous poison reached us in our town of only about 5,000 people. the tracks ran right through the middle of town. but that says somthing for KCS quality. I saw 1 derailment before they went to constant welded rail, 9 loaded coal cars, and the BN caboose. it didnt turn all the way over, but it throwed the conductor out of the top and into the door knocking him out. it was a hell of a sight! we were crossing the tracks as it went around the bend into a giant cloud of black dust, and a roar I have never heard before, or ever after!
That has to be the most devastating event San Bernardino has ever witnessed
this one I guess overshadows the 1994 and 1996 ones, I forgot there was more runaways on that line. thanks for the reminder.
The most terrifying aspect of this accident that nobody is talking about is how the train was originally supposed to go down the mountain with just 3 locomotives, all at the front, with no helpers originally. Assuming that 7551 did not have dynamics even if powered on, that would mean that the train would’ve had no dynamic brakes going down Cajon Pass.
That is very unsettling…
That's just scary as only 9340 would have dynamics that did anything (if 7551 also had bad dynamics) that's literally scary to think. It also proves I learn new info about a wreck everytime AFTER the video's released
The recreation was awesome! Keep up the good work!
Gracious sakes alive. I can't believe it's been 34 years since that accident happened.
It was the worst disaster so ever had. And then up was use for so heritage units.
For sp