What is this surreal realism where my Dad somehow has a whole video essay about my favorite musically inclined non-toxic masculine boom-memers??? Thanks for the gift.
your analysis of the northern boys... actually lines up almost exactly with mine lol. there's an art to making actually funny self-depricating comedy, and they absolutely nail it. Adam Sandler's comedy has always punched down from whatever position he occupies, the northern boys punch solely into themselves. i have my fears, sometimes, that sindhu world (the people producing them and bas & pete) actually intend for the joke to be like, "isn't it ridiculous that these old men do this stuff (including accepting trans ppl)?" but until someone comes along to prove it, i refuse that.
Your analysis of the contrast of Adam Sandler and the Northern Boys reminds me of Stephen Fry's analysis of American vs. British comedy. He takes the example of the scene in Animal House where one of the characters smashes another character's guitar. While a generalization, I think there's a lot of truth in his observation that American comedians would rather be the one smashing the guitar, whereas British comedians would rather be the one who's guitar is smashed. There's a great deal of sadness and therefore empathy in British comedy, a tradition which almost certainly influences the Northern Boys. Also, you totally got me to laugh out loud when you ended with, "Anyway, I don't really have a call to action or any kind of conclusion to this video."
Your analysis of finding Sandler funny as a 13 year old reminded me of something a fellow rocker and smoker said to me (ironically) in the late 70s, "If smoking weed doesn't cause brain damage, why do so many teenage boys think Cheech and Chong are funny?" As far as John Waters and incest, remember that incest is a property crime, not a sex crime. Old Testament forbids brother/sister and mother/son, but not father/daughter. It's all about whose property is getting boinked. Kinda like rape is a violent crime with sexual content, not a sex crime with violent content.
Great summary of what I have been trying to say for some time. So many people who complain that "people are too sensitive" miss the edgy comedy that is accepted. Even the South Park guys are surprised they are still on the air but Big Gay Al ultimately supported gay rights even if he was a bit of a stereotype. It amazes me how many people don't get the difference. "They should see Blazing Saddles. It could never be made today". Except I have never heard anyone offended by Blazing Saddles. At no point does it belittle minorities. The Black guy outsmarts everyone and the town wins when they stop discriminating. The butt of the joke is racism. When you get the movie the question becomes "why would they make it today?" Most of the people that complain it couldn't be made also insist racism isn't a problem anymore.
i got very into norman pain's solo work after briefly becoming obsessed with the northern boys. i can't help but feel an important part of this is that the northern boys are trying to connect with those who are in pain, because they know what it's like
I remember being like 6 or 7 laughing my ass off at the longest pee. But that's about the only thing I remember laughing at. Even back then, everything else seemed cruel. And I think your assessment of the northern boys is spot on. Love it.
That is exactly my memory of my own experience. Same with the entire Jerky Boys collection... I just never got it and thought it was awful. Even then, it felt gross.
You’ve nailed exactly why my friend and I couldn’t even get through a re-watch of Billy Madison when we found out at a hotel on a family trip when we were about 15 2 years earlier we were rewatching biodome and gross SNL sketches like canteen boy and the scoutmaster on vhs and quoting it at each other - by age 15 the same sort of thing felt cringy, mean and juvenile - and you’ve nailed exactly as to why
Not to be TOO parasocial but we must have grown up around the same time. I remember that Adam Sandler album pretty well. Though my boyhood insecurity expressed itself slightly differently in that I would reject such comedy as beneath me. While it was, I only did so as loudly as i did for the approval of the authority figures in my life, parents, teachers, etc. So silly to look back on now since now I understand authority as no more moral or able to make me secure rather than just accepting my taste as it was. I think Anarchism has something healing to say about being secure with ourselves rather than seeking validation from authority. Love the vids, brother!
While my experience is a bit different I feel you with that experience of having to loudly reject something as a kid. I'm a trans dude and when I was younger I felt the need to loudly reject a lot of "things other girls were into" (Justin Beiber, Hannah Montana, One Direction etc.) both because it gave me some seperation from "girlhood" but also because the adults in my life looked down on those things as childish and I wanted their approval.
Great video as always. I was asking myself similar questions when watching Fantano and F.D talk about conservatives liking stuff like Rage Against the Machine. (I know u have a video where you admitted to having been someone with that particular cognitive dissonance) This video answered a lot of those questions. Thanks ✊🏾
As a younger viewer, I have to say, the idea of not being able to easily access media far less foreign to me than the idea that y’all found Adam Sandler THAT funny.
"American ex-cop turned anarchist discusses niche British music group" was not something I expected to see. Love Northern Boys, been listening to them for a couple of years.
SO GOOD. As a 33 year old bi trans woman who thought she was a straight cis guy 3 years ago, it warms my heart to see radical shifts in perspective in those past their 20’s, and delightfully in a non-queer context. I guess it echoes with becoming the only atheist/agnostic i knew at 17 - just goes to show that people can change and escape some pretty deep gravity wells of thought.
Congratulations on your spiritual manumission. (I write this comment on every deconversion story video I watched because I too was the only atheist I knew when I was 17 during my senior year of Catholic High School in 1998/1999. I was the only kid awake through 4 years of religion class because I argued with the teachers about the logical contradictions of each new piece of Catholic doctrine I learned.)
9:55 Making fun of the lunch ladies gotta be one of the cardinal sins in Brazillian schools (at least the ones i know), ive never heard of people do that without severe repercussions not only from the school, but from the wider social circle of the school
Damn, now I know beyond a doubt that I'm a fair bit older than you. For reference "POS Car" was my high school buddies' anthem when the first of us actually bought her own car. (It was indeed a total POS.) Ah, memories.
It's a shame, but it is kind of an inherent human impulse. Often the line between 'bullying' and 'punching up' is almost nonexistent. And whether you want to believe it or not, they fill the exact same emotional need within you. Oftentimes bullying feels exactly like 'punching up'.
I'm sure it's possible to make a sketch about bullying somebody that we'd all find hilarious. It'd come down to subverting expectations, so somebody who would never, ever get bullied, and especially with a twist of that bully being politically aligned with the person they're bullying, but doesn't care. Like, a parody sketch about Trump having Elon giving Barron horsey rides, with Elon groveling for more government contracts while Barron incrementally applies worse and worse training implements to get his horsey to behave.
I don't really have anything to add, but I can say that I now save your videos till I can give them my full attention and watch with headphones and in theater mode, because they're always worth the *full* experience.
4:17 for American listeners, their sound is mostly like a hodgepodge of UK pop chart music remixed in different UK styles Gives a sort of general vague grotty commercialised UK nightlife vibe, which fits
my step-father was huge into adam sandler and that was the only intro i had into this album by adam sandler, and you brought back war flashbacks, forgot this shit existed. i def remember hearing it for the first time and being wildly uncomfortable as a teenager as that first track played
The 90s was a special kinda fucked up eh I watched Sandler's last standup special on Netflix (mostly out of morbid curiosity) and came away surprised. I'd found it mostly funny, mostly inoffensive, not terribly violent, and pretty creative; I still drop "Phone Wallet Keys" when getting ready to go out. It was like, that's weird, he's good at comedy now 😃 But then in 1993 I was starting college & listening to Denis Leary, so it's not like I had better taste in comedy 😅 The Northern Boys are ridiculously dope 😎
As a GenX'er uncomfortably close to being a Boomer And still an insecure adolescent boy looking for something more than pale shelter ... with radical beliefs that I strive to honor ... I like what I hear in your description of these "Northern Boys". I'll have to look them up.
Alright, I never heard the first Adam Sandler comedy album, but the sheer repetition of school employees being beaten with the titles “The Beating of a ____” is still strangely funny to me. I think that kind of repetitive and nonchalantly labeled cruelty just translates well to Zoomer humor.
Like I’m sure the lyrics suck but in my head there’s a version of this where it’s a lot of punching sounds with circus noises and too much audio of like janitor mops and textbooks being thrown around and it sounds hilarious in my head. Maybe this makes me a bad dude but I would listen to this hypothetical version I made up.
9:34 I popped for the Steiner insert, whose inclusion with the Northern Boys brings to mind a certain wrestling schadenfreude compilation series that recently surpassed 500 installments. I remember that promo well--albeit not as well as the infamous math promo I also watched live--and thinking he had to keep screaming "fat" and add another "He's fat!" at the end because it otherwise would've been the most cogent promo Steiner had ever done.😆 I also wondered why Tenay even needed to be there, why he was in a chair but not Sting, and why this had to be a taped segment in the ring at all instead of, say, MEM taking turns from their private locker room backstage. But that was early-descent TNA for you, I guess. Anyway, this type of humor is not my cup of tea, but your explanation makes sense.
I appreciate your analysis. I think it's important though, to recognize that something you do find horrible can indeed still be funny to you. it's unproductive to try and claim that the reason you find something funny and something unfunny is because they clash with your values, because it leads to the dangerous linkage of personal taste/aesthetics with morality If you claim you are unable to enjoy sandler because you have grown as a person and dislike the mean-spiritedness of his comedy, that's one thing. But you might be overemphasizing that reason over the other points you've brought up, to tie into your thesis and because it kind of flatters you --- you could have just grown more used to shocking scenarios that used to seem incredibly edgy because you were a kid who grew up so sheltered, and now it just feels sort of juvenile and pedestrian; you might just dislike the specific tone and aesthetics around the work which go hand in hand with the edgy teen punching-down mentality, and see the work as aesthetically reflective of that shitty worldview; or you simply find specific elements of it annoying or distasteful I think that comedy does often need to resonate with your worldview to be especially funny, but it doesn't have to, and importantly, what really resonates with you (as you alluded to) is your interpretation of it (which could be entirely different from the actual content). You may be consciously or unconsciously ignoring specific things you enjoy that don't match your worldview exactly, and they might speak to some unexamined biases within you, but they might as well just be funny despite these things (and even because of that clash --- shock value). And you also might be assigning negative moral value to a work you dislike now, based on your new interpretation of its ethics, to sort of further justify your judgment to yourself. I think mean-spirited, negative comedy without any moral imperative or uplifting heart behind it has its place, and it doesn't need to speak to anything within you. The issue is, like with violent video games, to make sure that you aren't getting desensitized to anything, but awareness of flaws doesn't actually prevent enjoyment from most people. In either case, dividing things into "good" and "bad" categories, and trying to limit the spread of the bad is pointless, censoring, moralistic, and repressive. I find a lot of things funny, that I recognize are actually really horrible and clash with my moral values, because they harmonize with my subjective aesthetic values. I can simultaneously be aware of my darker impulses while also critiquing things I like. Cold judgment of the ethics of the work is always filtered through subjectivity and doesn't necessarily play a big part in how much you like it. The alternate suggestion then, is that liking media with (to use a now skeletonized cliche) "problematic elements" that clash with your ethical ideals, speaks to some darkness within you that you may or may not recognize. Which is obviously a bad conclusion. It's always more complicated than that, and such ways of thinking open the door for horrible unproductive moral policing. I think that while what media you enjoy might provide glimpses of things within yourself, media consumption in general is not and should never be treated as a stand-in, diagnostic tool, or even reflection of someone's moral fibre. Because at the end of the day, it's simply consumption under capitalism, and while it is important to be aware of what you are consuming, focusing your energies on 'improving' the individual consumption habits of yourself and others is often a useless time-waster and historically a horrible trap in leftist spaces (the dreaded internal purity trap) All in all. it's important to completely decouple things that you like, and things that are 'good' in your mind. because you never know when you're wrong, and taste is a fickle, subjective, and complicated thing that when mixed or confused with morality, becomes very dangerous, very fast
whilst I think he's being honest here, yes in my case my likes and politics are very different, especially for attraction vs action. but even just I find it funny when someone falls down stairs or generally gets injured or dies in an anticlimactic or silly way, when the joke is someone's lack of "intelligence" or an incredibly fucked up but true thing like that dolphins will assault dolphin babies for no scientifically known reason. that doesn't change my actions and activism being anarcho socialist veganism.
Man I *hated* that Sandler album, not because it was terrible comedy or whatever but just by association. It seems like every guy I knew who owned it was an older kid that I found myself hanging out with due to sheer circumstance, always desperately trying to be as cool as them. In one particularly memorable instance I remember thinking hey, we're all laughing and having a good time, why don't I share something funny too, and pulled out Weird Al's Bad Hair Day which was brand new at the time - this led to one of the (rural white) kids immediately getting hostile because I dared to make fun of Gangster's Paradise. Anyway shout out to some of those fuckheads for also exposing me to Bloodhound Gang, who were my edgy mainstays back in the 90s. While some of their work hasn't aged spectacularly, some of the Northern Boys stuff gives me One Fierce Beer Coaster vibes and I'm here for it.
When you started "That faithful day two years ago when I heard Norman Pain say", I knew immediately what line had to come next haha It's probably not my favourite line from the boys but definitely the one with the strongest imprint on my mind
> what is the relation between someones humor and their politics I've learned to pay very close attention to what people joke about. That's when they are most honest about their beliefs
Was it really teenagers back then, who loved Adam Sandler's humor or just tennage boys 🤔? I always hated it, back then and now, but I'm also not a comedy person. My humor is different. But the way you describe the nothern boys humor, it surely has my respect. And the moves!
2:52 i just got flashbacks to having to decide which radio station to listen to at 10 pm because one had a Metallica block at that time and the other had a Tool block at the same time. Turns out i was more of a tool time guy than a mandatory Metallica guy.
Idk man, 90’s shock jock humor is pretty classic and most people who enjoy it just want to laugh at some crassness and bullying. They don’t really think about systematically systemic oppressive suppression systems or whatever like a lot of us terminally online ones do. For better or for worse.
Sandler was a young man with the world ahead of him. Northern Boys are broken men that realise they have only a few moments left. It is sadness delayed for a moment.
My #1 artist on wrapped was Northern Boys. #2 song was Party Time and #4 was F the World... did not expect them to come up in a dissection of Adam Sandler's early work.
Someone animated a game reference to a part of one of the northernboys songs, but i didn't know where the music came from. Now I need to check them out. Thanks That Dang Dad
Really got on the Pete & Bas train this year after seeing them here and there for years. Think I'll have to look at Northern Boys now. I definitely played this Sandler album as a teen and a little bit later got a Dane Cook special on CD. When I grew out of material like that, I thought maybe I was uninterested in standup, but have since found I just need different kinds of humor.
Adam Sandler is definitely one of those comedians that you find funny and then you grow up lmao No but seriously, I agree with your take and it's the reason why around my late teens, I could no longer enjoy the Sandler movies I watched as a kid. Just feels... Icky. No shade to people who still watch his stuff, comfort movies are comfort movies lol.
Great video. Positive engagement! I'd be interested to hear more analysis of John Waters. I tried to watch Pink Flamingos because its constantly referenced in drag race but I had to stop once I got to the chicken scene because it felt like too much. I don't really understand why its lorded so highly given that it seemingly shows scenes of SA and R
Thanks for this. I always think crude and dark humor has a place in society. But perhaps the way they're presented reveals some things about yhe presenter, and the audience that resonates with them
@ThatDangDad, i would love a follow up on what you think of it because I actually thought it was still pretty good. I believe Mike Judge wrote it so the comedy has aged fine IMO...and it is sadly somewhat prophetic.
"It was a different time." I hate that that stupid quote became relevant. As another elder millennial, born too close to gen x, who also laughed their ass off at Loveline, at the Man Show, or Dane Cook - it's all so cringe now. Misogyny and trashing homosexuality were the common parlance. EVERYONE called everything gay, talked shit by calling anyone a f*got. Until what happened to Matt Shepard anyway. That put that fire out and good riddance. To the speak, not the victim. C'mon now. But Sandlers shock humor should be understood in its era. In the 90s it was almost hard to end up "failing" as a janitor or a school bus driver. The mobility ladder (yes, it did exist at one point¹) hadn't been pulled up behind gen X yet, the strong economy and stock market surging on the hopes of the nascent internet - shit, you had one adult who worked at fast food chains, the General Manager. I recall boomers being asked in 2008 why they didn't save any money from the nineties-aughties and had so much credit card debt coming INTO the financial crash, and everyone just said they thought the good times would never end. From Reagan until the end of Dubya it was probably the easiest time to be alive - ever, if you were making a life as a boomer or Gen X'er. 2000-2012 we're not easy years to be graduating and working as a young adult. I had empty cardboard boxes as an end table in my apartment for longer than I want to admit. Comedy is derivative by default. While not spelling out it's current zeitgeist it does allow us to extrapolate back to society at that time. And Sandlers album paints a picture of a society where everyone tripped upward. --- ¹ - proof of how far we've fallen. The head honcho of Space X, I was looking him up in Wikipedia a couple weeks back, that mofo paid for his college by working as a ground guy for arborists. Tree work. In his summers. Goes on to design the penultimate perfect Merlin Rocket Engine. There won't be any new stories like that in the upcoming years. Neo-liberalism - putting the bankers in charge - is a boot on the throat of innovation. And creativity. And dignity and basic decency.
I still know every damn word of Lunchlady Land to this day. Can’t remember what I ate for lunch but that song? I’ve given up on it ever being expunged from my cortex. Also, THANK YOU for introducing me to the Northern Boys. That’s some dope-ass shite.
No I get you man I'm only 26 and my parents didn't give me internet access till I was 12 so I wasn't able to enjoy all the comedic content that was coming out on RUclips and other platforms at that time, I solely relied on Blockbuster and the library for content
A core aspect of comedy is relief. Structually there is a build up of tension, then the punchline, and relief of laughter. But also thematically. There are a lot of different kinds of relief. "Oh thank goodness, I'm not the only sick bastard who has thought that." Or, "Oh yes, snooty people manners are ridiculous and hide their underlying nastiness that we all have." But comedy like Sandler's is funny, a relief, because someone else is being laughed at, _you_ aren't being laughed at. With The Northern Boys I think the relief is that tou can be a disgusting, failure of a person and still also joyous, loving, and lovable. That they are pieces of crap, just like you are, and still you would share a beer with them.
Great job. Been thinking bout some similar stuff lately. I've recently become aware of the idea in comedy of "crossing the line twice". Anyone can confidently rush over a boundry from acceptable to "edgy" profane or gross. But if you want the audience not to feel threatended or uncomfortable you need to show them that you have a very good understanding of where the line is. Comedy is to some exent the art of crossing lines in a space that it is safe to do. To "get away with it", you have to make the audience feel safe, they have to know you know where the line is. It's funny to joke about failing not to cross the line or live up to values. Its relatable. But crossing the line shoudnt be the joke on its own. People who dont have a lot of marginalized identities seem to be less inherently aware of this because the more careless line crossing is less likely to mirror irl theats. Its fun to play in the darkness until it too closely resembles *your* darkness. A lot of anti-cancel-cultire, anti-sjw, anti-woke types get real sensitive if you joke about men's mental health.
Kind of surprised at those last three age groups. I'd not have expected anyone much older than the millenial generation to be watching. I'm 41 and I'm not the ceiling? Bonkers. My cousin showed me They're All Gonna Laugh at You over summer vacation one year and we must have listened to it 20 times over a 2-week period. I wouldn't hear it again for years after that. And I'm afraid to revisit now.
The key word in edginess is Edge; and it's not the edge of some unspecified thing, it's the edge between acceptable and unacceptable. If you're able to perform right up to the edge without going over it, your daring is rewarded with adulation. If you go over it, you're sunk and swiftly dropped. This encourages pushing the envelope. Of course, different people have different edges, and the broadest collective edges move as social norms change, so what was once edgy can now be found on both sides of where the edge used to be, appearing to modern viewers to be over the edge when it actually stopped short of it at the time, or appearing to not approach it at all, when it did at the time.
Me and my best friend used to laugh our asses off at Stan and Judy’s Kid. But yeah, The Longest Pee is the only one to survive without too much cringe, mainly because it’s a funny incident that doesn’t involve too much punching down.
honestly, the ending is even kind of sweet. In this album all about taking people down a peg, at the end a guy pees his pants, another guy notices, and then says "Hey, so did I. I guess we're Piss Pals." That's... actually really nice!!
Leftist shitposts are great because we are outsiders, and the only outsiders you're going to see are the ones who aren't afraid of what others think of them. Being disinhibited and empathetic leads to great comedy. Probably helps that we've all had to develop a good sense of humor to live with all the bullshit.
comment of positive support I never really liked grossout and cringe comedy. it never felt good to me. even slapstic if not punching up is difficult for me to watch. I remember when I started at a new school for 7th grade, and all the kewl kids watched current SNL where I was watching classic SNL (suffice it to say that I was very unprepared for the new, viscous level of mockery and humor). even at that time I preferred comics who took shots at themselves instead of others, but more than anything I'm likely to find cerebral humor like Mitch Hedberg. the edgy humor that I like tends towards morbid and sardonic instead of cruel (an example of my humor) Bowing recently crashed a plain on purpose to find out where the safest seats on the plain were. it turns out that the safest seats are on a plain not manufactured by Bowing
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To add on to that, from what I've seen, the northern boys are a bit more silly (or absurdist) with their premises. When you expand your social circle and start to hear more marginalised perspectives, the more you realise that assault and bullying are real issues and not just things that happen in the movies and on TV. A pdf file joke might land better with an Australian audience because the premise is more absurd to them, whereas to an American audience it is a very real problem. This is purely anecdotal, but I feel like people used to make those jokes here in the UK and that seemed to stop after Saville's death and a bunch of people came forward.
'Party Time' reminds me of several of my co-workers, and how they're seemingly corralled into crassness and addiction by the stifling pressure of low-income blue collar misery. That said, I wholeheartedly love that he follows up 'can I spaff on your bublays' with 'feel free to say no!'
Re: the politics of humour and what makes a great shit post. I think that most great transgressive humour usually stems from punching up and against broken systems while punching down in support of the status quo or our inability to change it usually falls flat if you're not in the dominant in-group that it's appealing to. For example OG Chappelle was entertaining because of how he explored blackness as a social construct while new Dave falls apart for not being able to extend that same line of reason to gender.
Thank you for this comment. I'd been wondering why I don't find his new work as funny as I did The Chapelle Show but couldn't quite put my finger on it.
Its so weird cause my partner and i recently watched that movie road trip from 2000 or 2001...which i think was funny when i was 13 but maybe i just thought 'ooohhh...this is comedy adults like'. Its very much in the vein of american pie (that i did find funny) (it even had that guy who played stifler) but watching it now...i just feel PTSD from feeling not hot enough to exist and even if you were...your thoughts and opinions dont matter. I was never really the person who could bully but i did try and disappear and pretend to be cool with stuff i really wasnt....so again im still not sure if it was funny or if i was just trying to disappear and blend in and be like 'this is fine'. But something i do find comforting is that i could watch this now and be like 'ooohh ok . I wasnt the problem.' and be kinder to my 12-17 year old self.
On a whim afterward I played a couple of tracks from Sandler's next album "What the hell happened to me?" and the few I listened to were just as cringe. Sure, the Chanukah Song is fun in a way, but the rest... man, tough listen. Contemporary comedy at that time was aggressive and mean, from the Jerky Boys prank calling unsuspecting service employees to Jay Leno using his platform on the Tonight Show to dogpile the news' main character - at his worst the wringer he put Monica Lewinsky through is painful to revisit. Even the comedians like Bill Hicks, who challenged the power structures and injustices of the time, weren't immune from problematic comedy as Stewart Lee (a favorite British comedian of mine) points out.
It's weird, but growing up a millennial myself (I remember my mother being an early adopter of broadband - I'm 36 as of writing this), I have always been an avid comedy consumer, and that has not really changed to this day. Still, gross-out comedy was never that appealing to me; yes, there were such segments that did get laughs out of me, but... it just never particularly did it for me. As for Adam Sandler's stuff like this, well, I never really knew it - or at least never really paid any attention to it, because pretty much all of my exposure to his jokes was his movies (Happy Gilmore most of all) and his collabs on SNL with Chris Farley. Looking back - and from learning of Northern Boys - I realize that my feelings on gross-out comedy are surprisingly similar to yours. I mean, I do have trouble listening to Northern Boys, mainly because I know people who actually look at or embody the subjects of their music as a goal rather than the satire that it is, but I do find them better than Sandler's album. It is nice to hear a possible, maybe even likely, reasoning for why.
I'm not saying I wasn't an insecure little boy when I first heard that Adam Sandler album and liked it, but I think what I found so funny about it was that it was all just so absurd. It's definitely not as funny now... in fact most of it would immediately be grating to listen too and the rest would get old quick... but, maybe just for nostalgia, I found myself laughing a bit as you read off the tracks. I remember listening to it as a kid and thinking "Someone actually made this? What the fuck is this?" And that's what made me laugh.
What is this surreal realism where my Dad somehow has a whole video essay about my favorite musically inclined non-toxic masculine boom-memers??? Thanks for the gift.
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I see the northern boys in the thumbnail and immediately click
your analysis of the northern boys... actually lines up almost exactly with mine lol. there's an art to making actually funny self-depricating comedy, and they absolutely nail it. Adam Sandler's comedy has always punched down from whatever position he occupies, the northern boys punch solely into themselves.
i have my fears, sometimes, that sindhu world (the people producing them and bas & pete) actually intend for the joke to be like, "isn't it ridiculous that these old men do this stuff (including accepting trans ppl)?" but until someone comes along to prove it, i refuse that.
YAAAS! The Northern Boys!!! Also, they say 'Trans Rights' which makes them even better :)
Your analysis of the contrast of Adam Sandler and the Northern Boys reminds me of Stephen Fry's analysis of American vs. British comedy. He takes the example of the scene in Animal House where one of the characters smashes another character's guitar. While a generalization, I think there's a lot of truth in his observation that American comedians would rather be the one smashing the guitar, whereas British comedians would rather be the one who's guitar is smashed. There's a great deal of sadness and therefore empathy in British comedy, a tradition which almost certainly influences the Northern Boys.
Also, you totally got me to laugh out loud when you ended with, "Anyway, I don't really have a call to action or any kind of conclusion to this video."
Your analysis of finding Sandler funny as a 13 year old reminded me of something a fellow rocker and smoker said to me (ironically) in the late 70s, "If smoking weed doesn't cause brain damage, why do so many teenage boys think Cheech and Chong are funny?"
As far as John Waters and incest, remember that incest is a property crime, not a sex crime. Old Testament forbids brother/sister and mother/son, but not father/daughter. It's all about whose property is getting boinked. Kinda like rape is a violent crime with sexual content, not a sex crime with violent content.
Great summary of what I have been trying to say for some time. So many people who complain that "people are too sensitive" miss the edgy comedy that is accepted. Even the South Park guys are surprised they are still on the air but Big Gay Al ultimately supported gay rights even if he was a bit of a stereotype. It amazes me how many people don't get the difference. "They should see Blazing Saddles. It could never be made today". Except I have never heard anyone offended by Blazing Saddles. At no point does it belittle minorities. The Black guy outsmarts everyone and the town wins when they stop discriminating. The butt of the joke is racism. When you get the movie the question becomes "why would they make it today?" Most of the people that complain it couldn't be made also insist racism isn't a problem anymore.
Ex-fucking-actly. Also, there's no reason to make Blazing Saddles today. It already accomplished what it set out to accomplish.
i got very into norman pain's solo work after briefly becoming obsessed with the northern boys. i can't help but feel an important part of this is that the northern boys are trying to connect with those who are in pain, because they know what it's like
I remember being like 6 or 7 laughing my ass off at the longest pee. But that's about the only thing I remember laughing at. Even back then, everything else seemed cruel. And I think your assessment of the northern boys is spot on. Love it.
That is exactly my memory of my own experience. Same with the entire Jerky Boys collection... I just never got it and thought it was awful. Even then, it felt gross.
You’ve nailed exactly why my friend and I couldn’t even get through a re-watch of Billy Madison when we found out at a hotel on a family trip when we were about 15
2 years earlier we were rewatching biodome and gross SNL sketches like canteen boy and the scoutmaster on vhs and quoting it at each other - by age 15 the same sort of thing felt cringy, mean and juvenile - and you’ve nailed exactly as to why
Not to be TOO parasocial but we must have grown up around the same time. I remember that Adam Sandler album pretty well. Though my boyhood insecurity expressed itself slightly differently in that I would reject such comedy as beneath me. While it was, I only did so as loudly as i did for the approval of the authority figures in my life, parents, teachers, etc. So silly to look back on now since now I understand authority as no more moral or able to make me secure rather than just accepting my taste as it was. I think Anarchism has something healing to say about being secure with ourselves rather than seeking validation from authority. Love the vids, brother!
While my experience is a bit different I feel you with that experience of having to loudly reject something as a kid. I'm a trans dude and when I was younger I felt the need to loudly reject a lot of "things other girls were into" (Justin Beiber, Hannah Montana, One Direction etc.) both because it gave me some seperation from "girlhood" but also because the adults in my life looked down on those things as childish and I wanted their approval.
Seeing Norman Pain in the thumbnail was wild for me.
Great video as always. I was asking myself similar questions when watching Fantano and F.D talk about conservatives liking stuff like Rage Against the Machine. (I know u have a video where you admitted to having been someone with that particular cognitive dissonance) This video answered a lot of those questions. Thanks ✊🏾
I love the absurd humor like tim and Eric,RUclips poop, and shitposting. No need to target anyone when reality itself is the butt of the joke.
Rick and I enjoyed this video, at a medium pace.
You seen the Disco Elysium animation set to Party Time? The subject matter of the song is perfect for Harry.
lololol NO that sounds INCREDIBLE haha
That’s actually how I found out about the northern boys and I love it 😂
It's a thing of beauty
As a younger viewer, I have to say, the idea of not being able to easily access media far less foreign to me than the idea that y’all found Adam Sandler THAT funny.
lmao touché
"American ex-cop turned anarchist discusses niche British music group" was not something I expected to see. Love Northern Boys, been listening to them for a couple of years.
SO GOOD.
As a 33 year old bi trans woman who thought she was a straight cis guy 3 years ago, it warms my heart to see radical shifts in perspective in those past their 20’s, and delightfully in a non-queer context. I guess it echoes with becoming the only atheist/agnostic i knew at 17 - just goes to show that people can change and escape some pretty deep gravity wells of thought.
Congratulations on your spiritual manumission.
(I write this comment on every deconversion story video I watched because I too was the only atheist I knew when I was 17 during my senior year of Catholic High School in 1998/1999. I was the only kid awake through 4 years of religion class because I argued with the teachers about the logical contradictions of each new piece of Catholic doctrine I learned.)
I LOVE the Northern Boys! Such a great group.
9:55 Making fun of the lunch ladies gotta be one of the cardinal sins in Brazillian schools (at least the ones i know), ive never heard of people do that without severe repercussions not only from the school, but from the wider social circle of the school
I really appreciate how you managed to put into words what bothered me about comedy along the lines of Sandler, great video as always
Damn, now I know beyond a doubt that I'm a fair bit older than you.
For reference "POS Car" was my high school buddies' anthem when the first of us actually bought her own car. (It was indeed a total POS.) Ah, memories.
What a list of features: Rob Schneider, David Spade, Conan O'Brien...
To be on an album which opens with fantasising about sex assault
it was interesting to consider the trajectory all of their lives ended up taking after that album haha
That ending tho lmao. Another great video dude, thanks for all you do.
that gave me a chuckle as well :P
i will never understand why bullying people is considered funny.
It's a shame, but it is kind of an inherent human impulse. Often the line between 'bullying' and 'punching up' is almost nonexistent. And whether you want to believe it or not, they fill the exact same emotional need within you. Oftentimes bullying feels exactly like 'punching up'.
It's funny to the bullies. If someone finds it funny it's because they see themselves
I'm sure it's possible to make a sketch about bullying somebody that we'd all find hilarious. It'd come down to subverting expectations, so somebody who would never, ever get bullied, and especially with a twist of that bully being politically aligned with the person they're bullying, but doesn't care.
Like, a parody sketch about Trump having Elon giving Barron horsey rides, with Elon groveling for more government contracts while Barron incrementally applies worse and worse training implements to get his horsey to behave.
I don't really have anything to add, but I can say that I now save your videos till I can give them my full attention and watch with headphones and in theater mode, because they're always worth the *full* experience.
brb listening to "party time" and "give it to me" on loop for several hours
you're welcome!
4:17 for American listeners, their sound is mostly like a hodgepodge of UK pop chart music remixed in different UK styles
Gives a sort of general vague grotty commercialised UK nightlife vibe, which fits
Bro i love the Northern Boys!! Thank you for the reminder!
Fun video. Thanks for the work ❤️
my step-father was huge into adam sandler and that was the only intro i had into this album by adam sandler, and you brought back war flashbacks, forgot this shit existed. i def remember hearing it for the first time and being wildly uncomfortable as a teenager as that first track played
"The Longest Pee" is objectively the funniest thing on that album.
Hats of to you sir.
Love your voice. Thank you for your videos
Excellent video!
I'm a simple man. I see Norman Pain, I watch the video
The 90s was a special kinda fucked up eh
I watched Sandler's last standup special on Netflix (mostly out of morbid curiosity) and came away surprised. I'd found it mostly funny, mostly inoffensive, not terribly violent, and pretty creative; I still drop "Phone Wallet Keys" when getting ready to go out. It was like, that's weird, he's good at comedy now 😃
But then in 1993 I was starting college & listening to Denis Leary, so it's not like I had better taste in comedy 😅
The Northern Boys are ridiculously dope 😎
Damn, I loved Denis Leary back then too! And I love The Northern Boys now. I think we've all grown up a lot.
As a GenX'er uncomfortably close to being a Boomer And still an insecure adolescent boy looking for something more than pale shelter ... with radical beliefs that I strive to honor ... I like what I hear in your description of these "Northern Boys". I'll have to look them up.
Also Kev dancing in the music videos is just the sweetest.
Alright, I never heard the first Adam Sandler comedy album, but the sheer repetition of school employees being beaten with the titles “The Beating of a ____” is still strangely funny to me. I think that kind of repetitive and nonchalantly labeled cruelty just translates well to Zoomer humor.
Yeah, I get what you mean. His description brought to mind The Death Of Mary Queen Of Scots sketch by Monty Python.
Like I’m sure the lyrics suck but in my head there’s a version of this where it’s a lot of punching sounds with circus noises and too much audio of like janitor mops and textbooks being thrown around and it sounds hilarious in my head. Maybe this makes me a bad dude but I would listen to this hypothetical version I made up.
I think some of this was the delivery, how he said the titles in the same tone each time
I just found northern boys the other day and love them!
Fascinating B-roll. Adverts from the 90s UK? Sure, I was up for some nostalgia.
I was looking for footage from around 1993 and that was one of the better collections available
Farley's prancing on stage really elevated Lunchlady Land beyond itself. Also I was 14, maybe that has something to do with it lmao
I've been rewatching kenny vs spenny the last year... lots haven't aged well but my god, when it hits there's nothing else like it.
9:34 I popped for the Steiner insert, whose inclusion with the Northern Boys brings to mind a certain wrestling schadenfreude compilation series that recently surpassed 500 installments.
I remember that promo well--albeit not as well as the infamous math promo I also watched live--and thinking he had to keep screaming "fat" and add another "He's fat!" at the end because it otherwise would've been the most cogent promo Steiner had ever done.😆 I also wondered why Tenay even needed to be there, why he was in a chair but not Sting, and why this had to be a taped segment in the ring at all instead of, say, MEM taking turns from their private locker room backstage. But that was early-descent TNA for you, I guess.
Anyway, this type of humor is not my cup of tea, but your explanation makes sense.
I appreciate your analysis. I think it's important though, to recognize that something you do find horrible can indeed still be funny to you. it's unproductive to try and claim that the reason you find something funny and something unfunny is because they clash with your values, because it leads to the dangerous linkage of personal taste/aesthetics with morality
If you claim you are unable to enjoy sandler because you have grown as a person and dislike the mean-spiritedness of his comedy, that's one thing.
But you might be overemphasizing that reason over the other points you've brought up, to tie into your thesis and because it kind of flatters you --- you could have just grown more used to shocking scenarios that used to seem incredibly edgy because you were a kid who grew up so sheltered, and now it just feels sort of juvenile and pedestrian; you might just dislike the specific tone and aesthetics around the work which go hand in hand with the edgy teen punching-down mentality, and see the work as aesthetically reflective of that shitty worldview; or you simply find specific elements of it annoying or distasteful
I think that comedy does often need to resonate with your worldview to be especially funny, but it doesn't have to, and importantly, what really resonates with you (as you alluded to) is your interpretation of it (which could be entirely different from the actual content). You may be consciously or unconsciously ignoring specific things you enjoy that don't match your worldview exactly, and they might speak to some unexamined biases within you, but they might as well just be funny despite these things (and even because of that clash --- shock value). And you also might be assigning negative moral value to a work you dislike now, based on your new interpretation of its ethics, to sort of further justify your judgment to yourself.
I think mean-spirited, negative comedy without any moral imperative or uplifting heart behind it has its place, and it doesn't need to speak to anything within you. The issue is, like with violent video games, to make sure that you aren't getting desensitized to anything, but awareness of flaws doesn't actually prevent enjoyment from most people. In either case, dividing things into "good" and "bad" categories, and trying to limit the spread of the bad is pointless, censoring, moralistic, and repressive.
I find a lot of things funny, that I recognize are actually really horrible and clash with my moral values, because they harmonize with my subjective aesthetic values. I can simultaneously be aware of my darker impulses while also critiquing things I like. Cold judgment of the ethics of the work is always filtered through subjectivity and doesn't necessarily play a big part in how much you like it.
The alternate suggestion then, is that liking media with (to use a now skeletonized cliche) "problematic elements" that clash with your ethical ideals, speaks to some darkness within you that you may or may not recognize. Which is obviously a bad conclusion. It's always more complicated than that, and such ways of thinking open the door for horrible unproductive moral policing.
I think that while what media you enjoy might provide glimpses of things within yourself, media consumption in general is not and should never be treated as a stand-in, diagnostic tool, or even reflection of someone's moral fibre. Because at the end of the day, it's simply consumption under capitalism, and while it is important to be aware of what you are consuming, focusing your energies on 'improving' the individual consumption habits of yourself and others is often a useless time-waster and historically a horrible trap in leftist spaces (the dreaded internal purity trap)
All in all. it's important to completely decouple things that you like, and things that are 'good' in your mind. because you never know when you're wrong, and taste is a fickle, subjective, and complicated thing that when mixed or confused with morality, becomes very dangerous, very fast
whilst I think he's being honest here, yes in my case my likes and politics are very different, especially for attraction vs action. but even just I find it funny when someone falls down stairs or generally gets injured or dies in an anticlimactic or silly way, when the joke is someone's lack of "intelligence" or an incredibly fucked up but true thing like that dolphins will assault dolphin babies for no scientifically known reason. that doesn't change my actions and activism being anarcho socialist veganism.
A critical look at the Northern Boys? Lets goooooooooo
Man I *hated* that Sandler album, not because it was terrible comedy or whatever but just by association. It seems like every guy I knew who owned it was an older kid that I found myself hanging out with due to sheer circumstance, always desperately trying to be as cool as them. In one particularly memorable instance I remember thinking hey, we're all laughing and having a good time, why don't I share something funny too, and pulled out Weird Al's Bad Hair Day which was brand new at the time - this led to one of the (rural white) kids immediately getting hostile because I dared to make fun of Gangster's Paradise.
Anyway shout out to some of those fuckheads for also exposing me to Bloodhound Gang, who were my edgy mainstays back in the 90s. While some of their work hasn't aged spectacularly, some of the Northern Boys stuff gives me One Fierce Beer Coaster vibes and I'm here for it.
Talking to eachother and asking to understand and write perspectives is a call to action if a kind
I like your meditations on transgression. I think there's gold in them there hills when it comes to liberation.
When you started "That faithful day two years ago when I heard Norman Pain say", I knew immediately what line had to come next haha
It's probably not my favourite line from the boys but definitely the one with the strongest imprint on my mind
I love the northern boys
> what is the relation between someones humor and their politics
I've learned to pay very close attention to what people joke about. That's when they are most honest about their beliefs
Was it really teenagers back then, who loved Adam Sandler's humor or just tennage boys 🤔? I always hated it, back then and now, but I'm also not a comedy person. My humor is different. But the way you describe the nothern boys humor, it surely has my respect. And the moves!
2:52 i just got flashbacks to having to decide which radio station to listen to at 10 pm because one had a Metallica block at that time and the other had a Tool block at the same time.
Turns out i was more of a tool time guy than a mandatory Metallica guy.
Yeah I would've been Tool all the way back then
Idk man, 90’s shock jock humor is pretty classic and most people who enjoy it just want to laugh at some crassness and bullying.
They don’t really think about systematically systemic oppressive suppression systems or whatever like a lot of us terminally online ones do. For better or for worse.
Sandler was a young man with the world ahead of him. Northern Boys are broken men that realise they have only a few moments left. It is sadness delayed for a moment.
I love the Northern boys, but couldn't articulate why, but I think you nail it
My #1 artist on wrapped was Northern Boys. #2 song was Party Time and #4 was F the World... did not expect them to come up in a dissection of Adam Sandler's early work.
Someone animated a game reference to a part of one of the northernboys songs, but i didn't know where the music came from. Now I need to check them out. Thanks That Dang Dad
Really got on the Pete & Bas train this year after seeing them here and there for years. Think I'll have to look at Northern Boys now.
I definitely played this Sandler album as a teen and a little bit later got a Dane Cook special on CD. When I grew out of material like that, I thought maybe I was uninterested in standup, but have since found I just need different kinds of humor.
Adam Sandler is definitely one of those comedians that you find funny and then you grow up lmao
No but seriously, I agree with your take and it's the reason why around my late teens, I could no longer enjoy the Sandler movies I watched as a kid. Just feels... Icky. No shade to people who still watch his stuff, comfort movies are comfort movies lol.
Great video. Positive engagement! I'd be interested to hear more analysis of John Waters. I tried to watch Pink Flamingos because its constantly referenced in drag race but I had to stop once I got to the chicken scene because it felt like too much. I don't really understand why its lorded so highly given that it seemingly shows scenes of SA and R
It's for sure notable that it isn't just random people getting assaulted in those skits, it's adults that work in or around high schools.
Thanks my internet dad
Thanks for this. I always think crude and dark humor has a place in society. But perhaps the way they're presented reveals some things about yhe presenter, and the audience that resonates with them
I have a suggestion, check out/revisit Idiocracy if that sounds like a neat component to fuel a follow up video 🧙🏿
woof, yeah that's another one that I loved at the time and suspect I may... have some different feelings towards these days lol
@ThatDangDad 😏
@ThatDangDad, i would love a follow up on what you think of it because I actually thought it was still pretty good. I believe Mike Judge wrote it so the comedy has aged fine IMO...and it is sadly somewhat prophetic.
"It was a different time."
I hate that that stupid quote became relevant. As another elder millennial, born too close to gen x, who also laughed their ass off at Loveline, at the Man Show, or Dane Cook - it's all so cringe now. Misogyny and trashing homosexuality were the common parlance. EVERYONE called everything gay, talked shit by calling anyone a f*got. Until what happened to Matt Shepard anyway. That put that fire out and good riddance. To the speak, not the victim. C'mon now.
But Sandlers shock humor should be understood in its era. In the 90s it was almost hard to end up "failing" as a janitor or a school bus driver. The mobility ladder (yes, it did exist at one point¹) hadn't been pulled up behind gen X yet, the strong economy and stock market surging on the hopes of the nascent internet - shit, you had one adult who worked at fast food chains, the General Manager. I recall boomers being asked in 2008 why they didn't save any money from the nineties-aughties and had so much credit card debt coming INTO the financial crash, and everyone just said they thought the good times would never end. From Reagan until the end of Dubya it was probably the easiest time to be alive - ever, if you were making a life as a boomer or Gen X'er. 2000-2012 we're not easy years to be graduating and working as a young adult. I had empty cardboard boxes as an end table in my apartment for longer than I want to admit.
Comedy is derivative by default. While not spelling out it's current zeitgeist it does allow us to extrapolate back to society at that time. And Sandlers album paints a picture of a society where everyone tripped upward.
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¹ - proof of how far we've fallen. The head honcho of Space X, I was looking him up in Wikipedia a couple weeks back, that mofo paid for his college by working as a ground guy for arborists. Tree work. In his summers. Goes on to design the penultimate perfect Merlin Rocket Engine.
There won't be any new stories like that in the upcoming years. Neo-liberalism - putting the bankers in charge - is a boot on the throat of innovation. And creativity. And dignity and basic decency.
Best ending yet! ☺️
fucking love the Northern Boys
I still know every damn word of Lunchlady Land to this day. Can’t remember what I ate for lunch but that song? I’ve given up on it ever being expunged from my cortex. Also, THANK YOU for introducing me to the Northern Boys. That’s some dope-ass shite.
"when someone else was the target, I was safe" and the entire idea of "bully chaff" are just painfully on target
No I get you man I'm only 26 and my parents didn't give me internet access till I was 12 so I wasn't able to enjoy all the comedic content that was coming out on RUclips and other platforms at that time, I solely relied on Blockbuster and the library for content
Tdd reading the track summary seems funnier than the CD, not gonna check though
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A core aspect of comedy is relief. Structually there is a build up of tension, then the punchline, and relief of laughter. But also thematically. There are a lot of different kinds of relief. "Oh thank goodness, I'm not the only sick bastard who has thought that." Or, "Oh yes, snooty people manners are ridiculous and hide their underlying nastiness that we all have." But comedy like Sandler's is funny, a relief, because someone else is being laughed at, _you_ aren't being laughed at.
With The Northern Boys I think the relief is that tou can be a disgusting, failure of a person and still also joyous, loving, and lovable. That they are pieces of crap, just like you are, and still you would share a beer with them.
Great job. Been thinking bout some similar stuff lately.
I've recently become aware of the idea in comedy of "crossing the line twice". Anyone can confidently rush over a boundry from acceptable to "edgy" profane or gross. But if you want the audience not to feel threatended or uncomfortable you need to show them that you have a very good understanding of where the line is. Comedy is to some exent the art of crossing lines in a space that it is safe to do. To "get away with it", you have to make the audience feel safe, they have to know you know where the line is. It's funny to joke about failing not to cross the line or live up to values. Its relatable. But crossing the line shoudnt be the joke on its own.
People who dont have a lot of marginalized identities seem to be less inherently aware of this because the more careless line crossing is less likely to mirror irl theats. Its fun to play in the darkness until it too closely resembles *your* darkness. A lot of anti-cancel-cultire, anti-sjw, anti-woke types get real sensitive if you joke about men's mental health.
that's a great insight, thank you!!!
@@ThatDangDad aw shucks. Thanks.
Big Joel’s Click video is required viewing for Sandler slander
Kind of surprised at those last three age groups. I'd not have expected anyone much older than the millenial generation to be watching. I'm 41 and I'm not the ceiling? Bonkers.
My cousin showed me They're All Gonna Laugh at You over summer vacation one year and we must have listened to it 20 times over a 2-week period. I wouldn't hear it again for years after that. And I'm afraid to revisit now.
A drug dealer keeps a guy faking being high actually sounds like its got some legs as a bit ngl
that was the other one that was still kind of funny, mainly when he sells him the fake gun to off himself with. that got a smirk from me
The key word in edginess is Edge; and it's not the edge of some unspecified thing, it's the edge between acceptable and unacceptable. If you're able to perform right up to the edge without going over it, your daring is rewarded with adulation. If you go over it, you're sunk and swiftly dropped. This encourages pushing the envelope.
Of course, different people have different edges, and the broadest collective edges move as social norms change, so what was once edgy can now be found on both sides of where the edge used to be, appearing to modern viewers to be over the edge when it actually stopped short of it at the time, or appearing to not approach it at all, when it did at the time.
that's a good insight
omg I had that Adam Sandler cd!
Lightyears was what the vhs copy I had as a kid was titled
Trevor Moore not being included in this is a crime
I don't think the album is funny, really; but "fuck me in the goat ass" is still lodged in my brain.
the line that i think of unbidden all the time is Tollbooth Willie (I think) screaming, calling someone a "c**-guzzling queen"
Me and my best friend used to laugh our asses off at Stan and Judy’s Kid. But yeah, The Longest Pee is the only one to survive without too much cringe, mainly because it’s a funny incident that doesn’t involve too much punching down.
honestly, the ending is even kind of sweet. In this album all about taking people down a peg, at the end a guy pees his pants, another guy notices, and then says "Hey, so did I. I guess we're Piss Pals." That's... actually really nice!!
NORTHERN BOYS LET'S GO!!!!!
Leftist shitposts are great because we are outsiders, and the only outsiders you're going to see are the ones who aren't afraid of what others think of them. Being disinhibited and empathetic leads to great comedy. Probably helps that we've all had to develop a good sense of humor to live with all the bullshit.
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I never really liked grossout and cringe comedy. it never felt good to me. even slapstic if not punching up is difficult for me to watch. I remember when I started at a new school for 7th grade, and all the kewl kids watched current SNL where I was watching classic SNL (suffice it to say that I was very unprepared for the new, viscous level of mockery and humor). even at that time I preferred comics who took shots at themselves instead of others, but more than anything I'm likely to find cerebral humor like Mitch Hedberg. the edgy humor that I like tends towards morbid and sardonic instead of cruel
(an example of my humor) Bowing recently crashed a plain on purpose to find out where the safest seats on the plain were. it turns out that the safest seats are on a plain not manufactured by Bowing
Hey Phil, another dope video. How do I get in touch about sample clearance? I used a previous clip of your work in an art project and would like your consent. Lmk and thanks again❤!
use whatever you want however you want. if it makes you a million dollars, send me a fruit basket ;)
@ not planning on selling it for profit, just making it to make good art. So thanks for the helping hand!
That Gandahar comment is exactly what happened to me. Too real
we have a support group that meets in a church basement once a month
To add on to that, from what I've seen, the northern boys are a bit more silly (or absurdist) with their premises. When you expand your social circle and start to hear more marginalised perspectives, the more you realise that assault and bullying are real issues and not just things that happen in the movies and on TV. A pdf file joke might land better with an Australian audience because the premise is more absurd to them, whereas to an American audience it is a very real problem. This is purely anecdotal, but I feel like people used to make those jokes here in the UK and that seemed to stop after Saville's death and a bunch of people came forward.
'Party Time' reminds me of several of my co-workers, and how they're seemingly corralled into crassness and addiction by the stifling pressure of low-income blue collar misery.
That said, I wholeheartedly love that he follows up 'can I spaff on your bublays' with 'feel free to say no!'
i was 50/50 on whether to highlight that as "consent respect!" in the video haha
@@ThatDangDad Definitely a step up from a feeling of 'spaff-entitlement'!
Re: the politics of humour and what makes a great shit post. I think that most great transgressive humour usually stems from punching up and against broken systems while punching down in support of the status quo or our inability to change it usually falls flat if you're not in the dominant in-group that it's appealing to. For example OG Chappelle was entertaining because of how he explored blackness as a social construct while new Dave falls apart for not being able to extend that same line of reason to gender.
Thank you for this comment. I'd been wondering why I don't find his new work as funny as I did The Chapelle Show but couldn't quite put my finger on it.
I think you glossed over how good Medium Pace is.
i was already skirting the line with whether youtube was going to punish this video for several of the topics lol
Its so weird cause my partner and i recently watched that movie road trip from 2000 or 2001...which i think was funny when i was 13 but maybe i just thought 'ooohhh...this is comedy adults like'. Its very much in the vein of american pie (that i did find funny) (it even had that guy who played stifler) but watching it now...i just feel PTSD from feeling not hot enough to exist and even if you were...your thoughts and opinions dont matter. I was never really the person who could bully but i did try and disappear and pretend to be cool with stuff i really wasnt....so again im still not sure if it was funny or if i was just trying to disappear and blend in and be like 'this is fine'.
But something i do find comforting is that i could watch this now and be like 'ooohh ok . I wasnt the problem.' and be kinder to my 12-17 year old self.
On a whim afterward I played a couple of tracks from Sandler's next album "What the hell happened to me?" and the few I listened to were just as cringe. Sure, the Chanukah Song is fun in a way, but the rest... man, tough listen. Contemporary comedy at that time was aggressive and mean, from the Jerky Boys prank calling unsuspecting service employees to Jay Leno using his platform on the Tonight Show to dogpile the news' main character - at his worst the wringer he put Monica Lewinsky through is painful to revisit. Even the comedians like Bill Hicks, who challenged the power structures and injustices of the time, weren't immune from problematic comedy as Stewart Lee (a favorite British comedian of mine) points out.
northern boys cameo???
Northern Boys and Viagra Boys should tour together.
I had to pause because there are still times when I think about the Longest Pee. If anything it's become more relevant to me.
The "slow crescendo downward, pause, fart, resume" bit got a laugh out of me when I was writing this lol
It's weird, but growing up a millennial myself (I remember my mother being an early adopter of broadband - I'm 36 as of writing this), I have always been an avid comedy consumer, and that has not really changed to this day. Still, gross-out comedy was never that appealing to me; yes, there were such segments that did get laughs out of me, but... it just never particularly did it for me. As for Adam Sandler's stuff like this, well, I never really knew it - or at least never really paid any attention to it, because pretty much all of my exposure to his jokes was his movies (Happy Gilmore most of all) and his collabs on SNL with Chris Farley.
Looking back - and from learning of Northern Boys - I realize that my feelings on gross-out comedy are surprisingly similar to yours. I mean, I do have trouble listening to Northern Boys, mainly because I know people who actually look at or embody the subjects of their music as a goal rather than the satire that it is, but I do find them better than Sandler's album. It is nice to hear a possible, maybe even likely, reasoning for why.
I'm not saying I wasn't an insecure little boy when I first heard that Adam Sandler album and liked it, but I think what I found so funny about it was that it was all just so absurd. It's definitely not as funny now... in fact most of it would immediately be grating to listen too and the rest would get old quick... but, maybe just for nostalgia, I found myself laughing a bit as you read off the tracks. I remember listening to it as a kid and thinking "Someone actually made this? What the fuck is this?" And that's what made me laugh.
Yeah I wanted more of the bit in Lunchlady Land where she marries the Sloppy Joe and has kids. That was the absurdity I craved
youtube hid this from me for 9 hours
i'll talk to Mike in IT about it, thanks for the feedback
@@ThatDangDad i was joking around and i hope you are too ^v^