Behringer Model D...I was WRONG (Behringer Model D vs Moog)
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All music created on Behringer Model D by me
I PURCHASED THE BOOG MODEL D ON AMAZON WITH MY OWN MONEY AS PER USUAL
Alright, in a previous episode of Thoughts On I spoke about my experience with Moog synthesizers, and my experience with Behringer, both as a company, their failings and what's in a name. I will gladly state that in the short term I WAS WRONG. The Behringer Model D is a quality piece, Behringer has come a very very long way. While there are some who still will buy a genuine Moog, and not a Behringer I realize that the difference on the surface is something a company attempting to make a clone can be proud of.
This is purely a second look at an inanimate piece of hardware. IF YOU PLAN TO ARGUE THE ETHICS OF BEHRINGER OR YOU HAVE TRIBALISM...WELL...that’s not what this is about, this is correcting my own poor preconceived notion.
I don't like to present myself as someone who knows it all, I'm a musician just like you all. This is why I end all Thoughts On videos by saying "I don't have these answers". My way of saying, make up your own minds. THAT SAID, if in anyway I came across as someone who poo-poo'd Behringers recreation I WAS WRONG. Most people don't understand subjective opinion, and while that's what this channel is about, I realize that the way in which I say things can be misinterpreted for fact, and that's where I'd like to state I made a mistake.
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I’m not afraid to say when what I’ve said may be easily misinterpreted. Don’t assume intent, no one can read minds. That’s why at the end of every Thoughts On video I say “I don’t have these answers”, which means make up your own mind. Choose what you like, there’s no right or wrong answer, if you think there is remember, experiences are subjective. 🤗
I just purchased my Behringer Model D yesterday. My very first piece of gear and my first Analogue Synth! Now I’ve been producing Drum & Bass for 17 years but only got into Analogue Synths within the last year and it’s reinvigorated my drive to make music. Next looking to get the Neutron, MS-1, and then a Grandmother!
Great video!
We love Bob Moog, and we love seeing young synthesists getting an opportunity they otherwise would never have had to own some of the best synths ever created. :)
this young synthesist would sure love to own a prophet 5 hint hint :):):):):):)
Have a your Model D, it is an amazing piece of kit. Let’s get those Eurorack modules going!
Hi Behringer, thanks for stopping by. Hopefully a very affordable Eurorack case is on the way, that would be very helpful to get many beginners started on their Eurorack journey. Thank you :)
BEHRINGER you guys are killing it! I own the behringer model d and i absolutely love it. Can’t wait for the 909
Hope a Vsti software integration and presets manager for it like an access virus
Politicians could learn a lot from this video
Well, admitting you’re wrong is healthy right? 😊
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9teen8efore you’re not wrong, I’m in no way perfect and truly when I made that first video I didn’t do a good job in stating that I was a subjective opinion for a biased person. I took that original video to the point of making politically based statements and I apologize. That was not my aim, I needed to make this video to clearly state that I’m just a guy who doesn’t know best. Mistakes happen, I admit mine. I’m sorry if that original video misled or judged without stating where I stood.
Underrated comment
It's too bad politicians don't learn.......
ugh i'm tired of the hashing out. affordable analog synths kills elitism that poisons an otherwise wonderful community, and makes music accessible to everyone, so lets just stop this argument for good, please.
I agree, let people buy what they want to buy without the judgement. If anyone gets upset cause you buy one over the other it’s their problem, right? Just make music with the tools you enjoy regardless of how much it cost or the name on the rear panel :)
This comment should be on top! the truth right here. People get stuck in this. You cannot buy talent. Its not the tools its the carpenter!
Serum is like 10 bucks a month, so everyone can make music if they want to. I don’t see any elitism here.
@@XanderEwald Why am I not surprised finding you here? Have you sold your Roland yet 🤣
@@NoirEtBlancVie moog has affordable synths, and there is the secondhand pages. cheap crap contributes to a non-sustainable future. but who cares what anyone does? yay - individualism!
I bought my MiniMoog in 1974 - I've had it recapped twice, still use it, and will never let it go. That said, I am forced to admit that no one in the audience can tell the difference between the original and my Behringer Model D. Add a little FX, and no one can tell them apart on a recording either.
100% true! The day someone that isn’t a heavy synth person says, “that sounds like a genuine Moog right there” I’ll eat my hat 🧢😁
Effects like what? I'm getting my hands on one to play/record on and I've been wondering what to do to accomplish that
A generous dollop of reverb, maybe a little echo (especially for solos.) Even an analog synth sounds a little artificial dry.
@@DarthKrossChorus makes EVERY synth sound better, phatter and more warm! Also delay, reverb, and also phasers are good to experiment with.
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Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to try those out
If Moog had brought out a Model D in this form factor (i.e. Mother-32 style skiff) for under $1000, I would have purchased it instead of the Boog. Instead their reissue was a premium, luxury monosynth that was priced out of reach of most people. Its primary competition was Voyagers and vintage Minimoogs.
You could literally buy 10 Behringer Model D synths for the price of Moog’s reissue.
So I bought a Boog on impulse and was very pleasantly surprised with its quality and amazing sound - so much so that I went on to get a Neutron, Pro-1, RD-8 and a VC340. Now I’m eyeballing The Cat and their modular stuff, and I’m excited about their future products.
Moog’s failure to compete in this segment cost them a lot of potential profit, and allowed Behringer to gain momentum with their synth clones.
Moog doesn’t survive on selling to people like us. They survive on selling to people who own Grammys, who own recording studios worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It’s the whole boutique aesthetic. Like the dumble amp. I can go buy a clone that sounds 99.99999999999% the same for a couple hundred dollars. Or I can spend 250-500k on the real thing. People like us buy the clones. People with platinum albums either made or produced buy the reissues, and really only if they don’t want to deal with upkeep on a vintage unit, or no vintage units are available. Basically moog reissue isn’t meant for us. They aren’t losing profit. If they sold cheap versions of the reissues that’s how they would lose profit. The parts are extremely expensive, and a lot of the times not even in production anymore. If you could buy a real moog system 10 for a normal price 1-4k like other synths, then it would destroy the market they’ve created for reissues and vintage moog. Not only that it wouldn’t be the same synth, and that would hurt their reputation to sell a synth that is supposed to be a recreation of something everybody loves, and it isn’t actually a recreation. Studios and musicians wouldn’t buy the new versions, only vintage. It’s just a bad situation all around. Though I will admit, I’m no expert and I might be wrong.
Moog isn’t hurting lol. The boog has some issues. The boog poly d is way better. But I have two little phatties so I really don’t need more moog types with no presets. I did buy a deepmind 12. Then an asm hydrasynth
That wasn’t the point. Moog already made the Little Phatty and Slim Phatty for even cheaper.
@@logicalblackman8228 even cheaper than what? Those Moogs were more than double the price of the Behringer D.
@@jacobbrown1690 If you want presets, Moogs aren’t for you.
Great of you for coming back on this! More honesty like this would be great on the interwebs!
Thanks man, glad to see you here. It was a weird one.
You just keep on doing what you do! @@NoirEtBlancVie
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I love this. It takes a lot to come back to one of your own videos and admit you were wrong. Most others would have just quietly deleted and moved on. Huge respect man.
"is the Behringer model a steal" this line has more meaning now. hah
I want to reply to this comment in a funny way, but I don’t want to get sued.😬
Wasn't expecting this almost choked on my cornflakes 11/10
@@NoirEtBlancVie Fear is an excellent advisor.
Got my model D today and I am very impressed, definitely holds up against a Moog. I don't actually own a Moog but my office is right down the street from their headquarters and I grew up in the area so I've had plenty of playtime with the demos there and I can say I am familiar enough with their sounds to say with confidence that Behringer is on to something great with this! I'm getting the Neutron next because it looks awesome.
Really good to see a retrospective review. This is well thought out, and an important aspect to gear use.
Man, this is an impeccable review. I wish you all the best, thank you for this.
Takes a big man to admit they were wrong, reeeeeeeespec'👊
Thank you. I’m not too big to speak the truth haha
@@NoirEtBlancVie what confuses me is that people are always down on Behringer for "copying" historical circuits but when people design a eu module based on a similar circuit it is accepted without batting an eyelid. To me seems Behringer are making enourmous efforts in synths and the Neutron and Crave are very much their own. For sure the history / image hasn't got the kudos of sequential, roland, moog et al but at least they are doing something to give consumers and enthusiasts an affordable way in to music and that has to be applauded.
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge
Damn Namm is making me crave a new rave machine!
Agreed 🙏🏽
Very well said! I am a proud owner of both the Behringer D and the Minimoog Model D. I'm so happy to know that the Minimoog sound is available to almost everyone now :)
Great Vid Noir ! ! ! I always appreciate your content !
Well said. I've been in this game for 20 years and I never would have said in 2019, Behringer are going to start really nailing it.
After NAMM this year it's clear that Behringer has been set to take the Synth world by storm. It's a great time to be a Synthesizer fan, the coming years are going to be fun, as I'm sure Behringer's recent releases will spur come more awesome & innovative products to be developed the other big synth companies.
Great video. Appreciate you taking the time
Your videos are so cool brother. Love the visual style. Great presentation too.
Love the video, and your channel. I’ve gotten away from
Hardware synths, but it’s good to know your thoughts on this synth if I ever go back.
Cool! Glad to see your Patreon is up and running! 😃
Riiiiight, we will see how it goes over I guess haha
I'm Korean and there are few new Minimoog Model D Reissue on sale in Korea..
Recently I bought a Minimoog Model D. However, note B on the keyboard did not sound. I immediately requested a replacement and looked at the new product, but this time the screw holding the pitch bend was loosened. Is this quality justified by selling it at a much higher price than the production cost? Since then I've lost my trust in the Minimoog and I'm going to buy a Behringer Model D today. The original budget will be spent on Sequential Prophet-10
I don’t blame you!
Glad your changed your thoughts on the D. It was almost unbelievable they really pulled it off or the build quality till your in front of one. Following my first Behringer synth I got the Neutron and its just as amazing. I look forward to and trust lots of new Behringer gear these days like the RD808 , Pro 1, Crave, and the CAT and Wasp further down the line.
Totally agree, I was like, wait, this thing is really built well...I was surprised, I wanted to make sure I made this video even though someone will hate me for not saying Moog is always the best and nothing can be better than a Moog. Not even Moog would probably say that, people who make music just worry about making music.
Honestly as a Behringer Model D owner I thought your original video was very measured.
In the very few years I've been into synths I know the Moog name well, but mostly out of my financial reach.
Your right that at present the name Behringer carries no value, but they are working hard to change that. Looking at the NAAM 2019 coverage I've clicked on most of the videos with Behringer in the title.
why am i just finding this channel?! this is good content!
I just asked myself the same question
It takes a big man. That did sound really good and make me more curious. I'm used to the questionable Behringer quality so... well done, Sir.
Never really got the whole “clone” controversy. Companies like Arturia have been doing software emulations of famous synths for years. It’s like the fact that Behringer made hardware clones people got bent out of shape. These things are incredible, just got my Pro 1 today my Model D & Neutron are incredible also. Waiting for that 2600 and hopefully one day a Quadra .
I can add an explanation of how they got it smaller than the original. 40 years later, components have shrunk and tolerances have gotten smaller, making it easier to make such a device.
Awesome follow up. Always appreciate your point of view and how you state it.
Thank you, I appreciate you saying this!
your thoughts on the 1000 synths just announced and 10000 synths coming in the next few year for the Big B?
I remember the video. And I was like: *shrug*, all their own opinion. I love my Behringer D. Their new Crave sounds actually really good too, and its yet their cheapest quality. Talking about build quality, Behringer D sometimes feel a little flimsy, but it feels like its to keep tolerant and easy to change. I am really curious how you will rate the new VP-330 clone. Since you weren't impressed with the VP-03 boutique version. Looking forward to that review and hear some good vocoder action. By the way, not judging if people like clones or not, but when easier in reach regards to money or availability (vp-330 is hard to find), is really nice.
Final note; I think that Behringer did well going into synthesizers. Regardless of clones, their own creativity, I think they do a great job.
Saying I’m wrong only enhances self esteem.
👍
Being a Moog user and having the highest regards and respect for a genius and a gentleman Dr. Bob Moog, I asked Moog for permission if I could buy the Behringer Model D.
The reply, it does not matter what you use to make great music.
Wow
Exactly. I was talking with Dave Smith at NAMM and I think most people think that the creators of the originals are upset about these so called “attack of the clones” but honestly they just want people to enjoy their instruments. Funny how the users in the comments care more about this than the people who originated these designs, right? Thanks for this :)
It's a great move from Behringer, since the industry is kinda fucked, prices need to come down to give young people easier access to technology which is also fun and very learnfull.
It stimulates the mind on another level, u gain important deduction, logical skills and basic computer techniques which can give u the edge when u learn them from young age.
Music forms your mind and increases self identity because u can create something that is you.
Stay humble and open is the best way to go the furthest in life.
Jef Damen 👍👍👍. Behringer actually gives you the best value for $. And the range just keeps increasing.
@@NoirEtBlancVie : In my experience, synthesizer enthusiasts are some of the biggest snobs you're ever likely to have the misfortune of encountering. Many of them seem to find it more important to be seen to have the "right" instruments rather than be heard to make the right noises/sounds.
Korg Polysix, MS10, ARP Avatar, Axxe, "ARP" (Korg) Odyssey, Moog Multimoog, Roland SH-1, Teisco 60f..................
@@NoirEtBlancVie The creators of the originals are quite smart ... the 'entry level clones' create future customers for their high value synths. A young student who was able to start on a 'budget' clone may eventually develop the desire to get the 'real thing' one day...
Thanks for the honesty homie
Absolutely, my pleasure!
Moogs don't hold their value here in the UK so well.
The minitaur, mother 32, sub phatty and sub 37 all can be had for 65% of their original retail price, but maybe this is an artificial depreciation of their value due to the saturated 2nd hand synth market over here.
Ebay has been quite kind to me recently.
Excellent video. I've owned a 1972 Mini since 1978. I wouldn't dare gig it now - too fragile. I've also just bought a Behringer Model D.
I'm still stunned by the concept and the delivery, and I won't even comment on the sound of the machine other than to say that I can't tell the difference. What I can do however, is now take my 'Moog' back out for gigging purposes without having to have paramedics and a hairdryer on standby. Best wishes to all at Moog - but I reserve the right to embrace Behringer kit on the basis that they're not just imitating, but they're adding to the legacy. Very generously.
How about that Model T Ford ?
Folks tell me that there's a Model T with fancy braking, weatherproofing - and some gadget that tells you how to get where you want to go. Fuck me..and some flashing lights for when you want to round a corner ????
Oh Henry, I so hope that you're not offended by the passage of time, and the exponential march of tech progress....
Uli..word fail me. Ignore the naysayers.
thank you.
I'm looking for a L'imperatrice kind of bass sound (they use a Moog Minitaur). Do you think I could get the same results with the Berhinger D? I know having another oscillator means more "fattness" but i still hear the minitaur sounds different and unique. Maybe people that have tried both could help? Thanks :)
The Minitaur has a very unique sound, I owned one for a while and if you can enjoy the interface then I prefer the Minitaur sound to the Model D. The interface on the Model D is better. That said, you seem more concerned about bass sounds alone, so I’d say Minitaur, though either will get you close. :)
@@NoirEtBlancVie Thank you, and thank you for you content!
Elitist synth folk rarely if ever make anything worth listening to anyway, screw 'em. Behringer is golden, and has been since at least the MX2642 back in the day. I'll take the Neutron over the Model D any day, but both are remarkable pieces of gear for chump change.
You’re not wrong, the point of this video was to hopefully stop this back and forth. As I stated, wanting something expensive doesn’t make you an elitist, and wanting something cheap doesn’t make you a cheapskate, or someone who doesn’t care for quality. It’s simply a choice, and I’m not polarized in anyway. I realize people can make two opposite decisions and still love synthesis. Comments on the 1st video were so unfortunate. People criticizing one another for their choice of synth. Just make music with whatever the tool, all these instruments have different features, pic the one with the features you like and that you can afford. That’s all I wanted to make clear :)
I agree. I first got the IK UNO, then just this month upgraded to the Neutron and it was the price point that got me to consider getting into synths in the first place. Behringer's my new hero
Purists have harder lives, u need to let them vent from time to time...
I agree that young hungry artists make better songs, but what rubs me wrong is not the musician with cheap tools, but the large manufacturer acting like he's the victim. so for me at least, it's not a question which musician (the one with money or without) is the moral one, but which manufacturer. (much like how you don't blame the fat guy, but mcdonalds or coke for profiting and pretending)
I have the neutron and it sounds bloody fantastic. Would
Happily buy a d or any other behringer gear. Yes they are a lot better at quality control now. When i first started playing guitar. I wanted a fender or a Gibson. Only with experience did I realise that it’s not always the tool it’s the craftsman. Good music can be made on anything if you are passionate enough. If my neutron offends you
Moog or oberheim purists then too bad. Get over it.
For someone on a severe budget looking to throw in some Moog/Ladder Filter tones, would you recommend this or syncing up the Crave with another synth run through it's filter? The portable size of the Crave is appealing, though if we could get a Volca form factor with a ladder filter that'd be amazing. I got kind of obsessed with some old Mort Garson sounds and realised a lot of the tones he uses are actually very simple given they were mostly done on modular Moogs, I've definitely heard similar ones in demos for other ladder filter synths.
Why not just go with the Crave as-is? Like it’s a good sounding synth all by itself, I’ll be honest, the less the better in my world. Don’t get too fancy with it, Moog is honestly missing out the most by not just making a damn official Moog Eurorack module. Like, we all know I’m a Moog fan, but sometimes they create a world where it feels like they’re forcing you into buying a whole Mother 32 just to get the filter you want. 🤷🏾♂️
@@NoirEtBlancVie yeah they really let berhginer slide in that niche with the Boog. I saw Jade Wii's vid on it. Given how expensive most eurorack stuff is it's a no brainer in that case. Moog's "modular" stuff tends to be mind of weird.
Supp bro? Dope vid, bro!
Do you think it would make a difference to have a Moog on a record as opposed to the Behringer model D?
I own both - a 1974 MiniMoog and a new Behringer Model D - and no, once you add eq, reverb & effects, no one could tell them apart.
I'm not a professional musician to be able to invest loads of money into gear. I wish I could, but honestly, the only Moog product I could afford at the moment is the Werkstatt-01 and I might buy one just to support Moog Music, as they do deserve it. The Behringer Model D has allowed me to take home the iconic sound of a Minimoog I've been wanting since 2005 or so, when I tried one in a music instrument shop. Also, the difference in price between "Synth XYZ" and its Behringer clone is enough for me to buy the Behringer one, maybe except for the Swing vs the Arturia Keystep.
What you say about Moog is true, and the new Berhringers are such a good value for the price. (I got to video some of the new ones recently! and was impressed.) Both POV's can coexist.
I have and love the Model D, always wanted a Minimoog, but by the time I came of age were very rare and expensive (music gear has always been more expensive in Australia, for some reason, especially 2nd hand unit).
I admire the Moog company, its history quality and innovation. For hobbyist musician, a several thousand dollar synth just does not make sense. Maybe if I became wealthy, or if I was a pro musician I would buy a Moog in a heartbeat.
Remember that a lot of budget gear in the past became classic, like the Juno 106, Oberheim Matrix 1000, Roland 303, 626 even stuff like the Korg Poly 800. Some people laughed back then, but who's laughing now? Of course some mega expensive stuff from back in the day also became classic gear, from the Roland Jupiter, Moog Multimoog, hell even the Yamaha DX7 and Roland D50 were pretty pricey when new!
I've never owned any Beringer products but I'll be quite interested in their EMS Synthi clone (if that rumour is correct)
Great video, like all your videos. I love my model D and Neutron. Can't wait for the Crave and MS 101.
I’m interested in looking at the crave, they’re mass producing the puppies!
I'm coming from the guitar world, which surely is a much bigger industry and may work differently, but it's always been far less elitist. Take as best example the Fender Stratocaster which has been copied and cloned by so many manufacturers since it's invention. Fender themselves still exist and produce their original high end guitars (made in USA) as well as mid range and also low end models (made in Mexico or Indonesia) and amps and whatnot since the 90s or earlier and nobody ever cared as far as I know. The usual approach as a kid with no money was to buy a 300$ copy, because it was more important to actually own a guitar and to rock out than having a 3000$ peace of gear. Later when the jobs and the money came we got dissatisfied with the copy and bought the real deal (which by the way is still kind of midrange because same here: only rich people can afford the "real" vintage models). My point is: copies make the gear affordable for musicians who want to play but that doesn't mean that the high end products will disappear because there are always people who are willing to pay more for better quality and, well, prestige. But I know of no RUclips video where people discussing if the 300$ Stratocaster sounds exactly the same like the 10'000$ vintage original (the guitar problems are of a different kind). The world is changing, the market is changing and clever companies like Behringer take the opportunity. Other companies like Korg or Roland do something about that but in my opinion, they kind of miss the point - or they don't really care, like Korg recreating the elitist version of the ARP2600 instead of a mini version, meanwhile Behringer listens to that call, what can we say here... I think this all would be less fuss if more companies did it like Fender: produce their own cheap copies.
I had one for a month, it sounded great, but the midi over usb was very finicky and always cut out. Had to return
That’s so unfortunate
A Khatibi - just for balance mine’s been fine over USB. I’ve got other things connected via USB and sometimes they disappear but the Model D is constant. In my humble experience USB issues have always been computer related.
Excellent video. I've got Moog and Behringer. This is a great time for us I think. The 303MO slays me.
Where can you find a Mini Moog for $3500.00?
What’s your opinion on the deepmind 12 or six?
Nice video. And it's great that you can admit to (drum roll) ... HAVING AN OPEN MIND! Fantastic dude. Good on ya. (Really love the channel too.)
i aspire to own a jacket like that blue one... very informal video, dope!
Haha, I never wear it anymore. It’s yours ;)
Behringer got top notch analog engineers when they acquired Midas so you could say they really have been at the analog game for a long time.
Great explanation of why you believed what you did at the time and why you now believe those thoughts were wrong. 10/10 would watch you correct yourself again.
I have $300 to buy a synth. What would do recommend? A Behringer model d or Artuia Microfreak?
Microfreak, behringer is a one trick pony
Thanks I appreciate the advice. I was leaning towards the Microfreak. I’m on a bit of a analog kick right now but it would be hard to choose 1 voice over 4 voices.
Most of berhinger’s synths are now designed in the U.K. They are built in China to strict specifications , no slacking on quality control.
"The behringer name just doesn't hold as much weight as moog" he explained to the girl in the club who was enjoying the DJ who was in fact using a behringer
I got the neutron on a whim, and I am quite pleased with it... surprised with behringer for sure !
You are forgiven for your assumptions about build quality on Uli’s gear. I, for one, have quite a few of his earlier gadgets, and have seen the downside of some of their sketchy QC, having had some units fail. But this synth gear they’re making is something else, and I’m keen to keep exploring both Behringer AND Moog for their 21st Century offerings based on late 20th Century technology. Inspired design. Great sound.
Thanks for the review. I want to get one just because I want a great studio man.
Great video, man! Could you please do a review of the Noir Et Blanc Vie?
Review of NoirEtBlancVie lol: he is a jokester, who knows nothing about nothing. His hairstyle sucks and he is dumb and his opinions are stupid. His videos look cool, but overall he is boring and should do more “no talking” videos cause those are better than anything he does. Especially because opinions can be made with zero subjective input from his big mouth. Noir also has ugly clothes and is was more annoying than BoBeats haha. 😁
The background music is undefeated, so I just subbed!
Very cool to publicly own up to a "mistake" like that. Respect. I do love that Moog is employee-owned, and if I could afford one, that would be a big part of my decision making process for buying one. Until then, I really like my Model D.
I got a UHD, and I have to say great interface for its price feature set, zero problems and absolute quality feel for a USB interface. Behringer has been knocking out the park on the BUDGET/Home Studio level.
i had it for 180 euros how can you beat this? HOW TELL ME
I feel pretty differently about my impression of behringer over the years. As a company they’ve always had bang for the buck, build quality has always been good enough if you take care of it (plastic pedals too, for years and years.). I’m a guitar player, but my hardware synth setup consists of a DM12 and a Model D, with a keystep and a keylab. Great video!
Went through two mx9000's. Mixers blew...
I’m not a Moog guy....never have been. I’ve always preferred the sounds of SH-2, Pro One, or especially the Arp Odyssey. I have all three. BUT, I did get a Behringer D, and must admit, that it can sound fantastic, and rounds out my mono analog collection quite nicely.
For people like me, who love analog, but aren’t in love with buying a $3000 Moog, its a great synth to have on hand. I love the HI/LO outputs so you can run it straight into guitar pedals without impedance mismatch. The tiny knobs and resolution of those knobs aren’t great, but for my uses, it works well.
And I LOVE, that a kid can get an amazing sounding analog synth for Xmas or a birthday present. Its such a good thing for synth heads and electronic music in general, making the instruments accessible to future generations.
Good on you for admitting you were wrong. As far as how long these will last, only time will tell, but as far as sound goes, they keep nailing it.
I agree with you.
I read so many comments where Moog owners tend to throw Behringer out of the window.
There is no denying the fact that original Moog is a class apart but the point here is making it affordable and providing majority of the flavour at one-tenth of the price .. 😊😊
how would this compare to the mother 32 or the subharmonicon?
Morris Gabo in comparison the M32 is boring...and I bought 2 of them when they first came out. That said though they’re totally different.
I just went up to Guitar Center near my house to see what they had on display, and they had one of these on sale for $250. I was so pleased to see the price even though I really don’t want one. I have a grandmother, dfam, and mother 32 setup that satisfies my mono itch, but if I didn’t have this Moog set up I’d be all over the Behringer Model D for the price. Deepmind 12R has my attention still. Really looking forward to what Behringer comes up with In years to come. Like there 808, 909 clones. I want more polys by them though. I agree build needs to be focused on. Over all Behringer has a foot in the door. Model D clone is not bad at all! My ramble is over...lol
Can a mother 32 or a grandmother, in your experience, do let’s say...80% of what a boog does in emulating a minimoog? I have started to appreictae finer things in life, so I’m aiming at a better quality piece of kit (in this case an original moog), with a bit more prestige. My budget can afford me a grandmother + decent reverb or a mother 32 + decent reverb + decent delay + midi keyboard. I’m mostly interested in making berlin school style of music (like oldschool Tangerine Dream).
jippalippa I think a mother 32 or Grandmother both can accomplish most of your bass and lead needs. There really fun and worth the extra investment for sure. I can’t wait to get the Matriarch to complete my setup. The DFAM is super fun too.
Kudos to you for positng a video like this. People take these things far too seriously and personally. I have Moog gear and Behringer gear. A Minitaur for bass, a Model D for thick leads, and a Sub Phatty for that hard Sync sound. Right tool for the job IMHO. Also glad to hear opinions from players that perform live and not just gear heads. I've played more shows than I can count, but I'm in my mid 50's now so I'm more interested in diving into sound scapes, than a couple do-everthing poly synths that can change sounds on the fly from piano, to organ, to strings, to pulse width and saw tooth leads. I've always had a couple old school analogs (Moog Prodigy/SCI P5 rev 3.3) but I never toured with them. They're too valuble, and they don't hold tune as well as a Korg Wavestation or a Kuzweil K2000, LOL. I'm new to Behringer so I don't have a background of their dodgy history regarding quality, but these new synths seem as good as my old Moog Prodigy, probably even better build quality to the Prodigy with low cost switches and very flimsy pots. I have a Model D, two Neutrons, and just got a Pro-1. Setting them on four midi channels, and hooking them up to my Roli Seaboard and I have my own poor mans four-voice where each key can pitch bend independently. It's a blast :) Thanks to Behringer for making something like this both possible and affordable.
It takes allot for a person too admit that they are wrong. But, to do it with a positive attitude without putting down either companies is truly commendable. As always, great job.
Thank you Den, I tried to do my best, picking sides when it comes to something like a synth, I just don’t see the point :)
I got a Behringer Uphoria 404 audio interface for a gig last year and I got to say, for £85 it’s amazing build quality, sound quality and reliability. I use it for a second setup daily.
Wow, I had no idea Moog was owned by its employees. As an AnCom, that really warms my heart.
Yes, man! Just YES!
My Osc1 has gone about 7 semitones out of tune. Also, i feel like the envelopes are not great but I've not compared against the OG.
Holy moly this sounds farging beautiful. How close are vst synths these days to this sound? Is it close or just...a big fat no?
I have a Behringer Model D and have played a Minimoog: the real deal is deffo a bit fatter, has more presence. But not 10 times your budget more, so I was quite happy with spending the relatively small money for the almost-there Boog. And I also got the Neutron haha - personally I wasn't too taken with the DeepMind, I felt it relied on saturated-FX too much, but Behringer's monosynths are very good indeed. Recommended. Well done, Behringer, and nice one Noir for the video.
Thank you!
Your videos are awesome, too bad there are few RUclipsrs like you
I want to build a clone of a model D with the electronics of this inside. Would be a fun project.
I’d love to see this, I’d love to see this and a video about it!
You got a good one, mine can't keep the tuning and the key tracking is horrible.
I use two Moog Mother 32's and got a Behringer D because it has a really different timbre. Sounds fabulous in recordings total benefit.
I love the minimoog sound and I want something that sounds like it, and the behringer sounds like a no brainer... That said I’m not exactly young and with time I started to appreciate finer things, not necessarily focusing solely on budget. I’d like to buy something a bit more durable, and high quality, a nice piece of hardware that would last years, therefore I was looking at the moog mother 32 paired with a decent reverb module. what I’m disapointed with is the lack of variety in waveforms for the mother 32; for example there’s no trianlge wave to create mellow flute leads...
What do you think about this matter? Thanks
@@jippalippa I agree the Mother 32 is quite limited in timbres, what it does do it does very well. The Beringer D is more open with timbres and 3 osc which can be sub osc.
I love that, at the time of this video, the price of a MiniMoog was only $3500.00 Have a look on Reverb now - you'll pay about $7,000.00 for Very Good condition, up to about $11,000.00 for an unsold new one.
Now you can get a brand new one for $5000, what a deal LOL
Honestly, I’m dubious about the midi firmware on the (yes, updated) moog model d reissue. I hope that with the polysynth released (coincidentally came out shortly after I raised concerns) they might revisit neglected issues with their other flagship. Local control implementation in particular needs to be flawless on a premium instrument. Otherwise, no complaints, and yay worker owned!
I suppose if Behringer keeps them on their toes on that end of support, so be it.
Respect! I completely agree with your position. Behringer is making, in their words, "modern iterations" of classic gear. They add functionality and usability at a low price point. Moog isn't losing a sale if I buy a Behringer D. I was never going to buy the Moog anyway.
Hopefully this is a new era for Behringer.
I bought a Behringer rackmount effects processor maybe 15 or 20 years ago brand new for like $99 or $149 (can't recall for sure even what the model was). I couldn't even tell you how the effects were, it was noisy as shit. I took it back to see if it was a faulty unit, the store employee basically told me I should just get my money back and buy another brand.
The 808 clone looks pretty sweet, and I can't afford a vintage one (not to mention no MIDI), so I hope that Behringer really has stepped up their game lately and continues to do so.
I would like to believe this is a dependable product...but...over the last 15 years I have purchased many, many MANY Behringer products from $30 headphones to their top of the line studio monitors....and.....today I have no Behringer products in my studio....why?.....they all malfunctioned after 2 years of use.
When I first heard about Behringer making these things, I scoffed at the idea. However, now I want to own all of them & look forward to the next release. :-)
Possibly smaller components (I haven't poked inside mine) but smaller (Sized) Capacitors, 1/8 Watt Resistors, Multilevel Circuit Boards, the external Power Supply, are all factors that can make a unit smaller.
I have more of an Organ background than a Synth background, however I have been in the process of putting together a small Synthesizer setup, geared more towards Live/Real Time Performance.
Two years later. Behringer has brought many many syths to market. They are a major player, They have allowed hobbyist musicians into the party.
Hey I had A Benringer Mixer 16 years Behringer is to be Recon with....
Hey man, this was a truly honest video and i appreciate it. It made me feel I'm not the only one thinking that way. An instrument is an instrument, not a prize. It's up to use to make sing or hang it as a trophy on a wall. It's also time we start thinking of the implications of our actions and purchases. Buying Moog means you care. But if you cannot afford it, that's ok too. Buy a Behringer Model D and make it sing, cause good music is good for the world. The real dilemma is different though: buy a Behringer Model D for 300$ or a 2nd-hand Moog Mother-32 for 150$ more?
Woah woah woah! This is way too nuanced! Good work ;)
Thank you Robert, I realized that I made a video that was rightly disliked due to my tone. I can admit my bads haha
I'd like to point out that you don't need the loopback cable to get filter feedback on the Behringer D... if EXT IN is on with nothing plugged in, it loops back automatically.
Haha, I’ve heard. Look at me treating it like an OG Model D. Behringer, knew what to do!
@@NoirEtBlancVie yep, i did the same thing when i first got it, then read the manual on something unrelated and was like... huh...
Really appreciate that man!
What i like about the Boog is, that you can use it (through its patchfield) as a full voice for a modular synth. And if you own the Korg MS20 Mini you can use it as the Boog and the MS20 Mini both have micro jacks) wih the MS20 Mini.
The only thing with Behringer synths like the Model D is are they still gonna be around in 40 years time, as in is the build quality up to the test of time. I've seen demo models of the Deepmind synths look very shabby after a few months in my local music store, the slider caps had fallen off and the keys were looking a bit wonky. When I demoed the Behringer Model D I noticed the switches were cheaply made and the thing was quite hard to tune. It is with all hardware about getting what you pay for, the Behringers synths are cheaper because they are cutting corners somewhere along the production line. As long as you are prepared for them maybe not to last as long, then they are a good way to get your hands on a alternative to something that would cost a lot more otherwise.
I support Moog and Sequential.
US companies
I think there’s a new semi modular synth announced called the Crave- and also the Behringer MS-101 (Roland SH-101 clone) is now available for pre-order. That may be an interesting synth to review.
You’re not the only one homie, Behringer surprised all of us with these clones
They’re not clones :)
Ok, we'll send you all of our new synths now. Been working on Boog Granny. ;)
Hahahaha
Nice patch! (as I'm watching) the "bug" I didn't like on the 1st reissue was inability to match or sync the waves exactly from the vibrato lfo and the osc in lfo mode. e.g. the duty cycles of the squares are just different
I like the Model D but i am looking over at the Subsequent 37 and i just love the sound of it a lot better. And it is Moog... but over 1k for a mono that growls a tiny bit better is a hard sale. Maybe i should just bite in or just work more with and on the Model D... i had two by the way and the were both equal in quality, despite one being from an earlier batch. As for quality, check out the Neutron if you haven't. It also is a solid piece and i love it.
Well, you also get a Mod section and patch memory. And keys.