Dutch GP's learn that in 99% of cases the body will heal itself. They are trained to spot the 1% and refer you to the correct second line health care (usually a specialist in a hospital). The specialist will treat you top notch and if you are really, really sick, you must stay there in hospital. And euthenasia is not because of efficiency. It is because of peoples own preference to die with dignity.
I mean, it's how medical care works in general. Medication can only support the body to help itself but in the end it's the body that has to do the healing. The amount of people that treat medicine as some kind of health potion is too damn high. It's a realistic approach to understand the body has to do the hard work, not the medication.
Just because a doctor looks in his computer doesn't mean he/she googles. Before they call you in they already opened your file so they can check your new complaint with what your medical history is, what medicine you are allergic to, things like that. Glad you agree not taking medicine when you don't really need it. Great reaction. Nasty thing, a hernia. Stay healthy please 🤞
@@NecramoniumVideo They have so-called "expert systems". It's basically a database that gives the doctor suggestions and reminders. For example, with certain symptoms it may remind the doctor to check for specific medicine that are known to have those symptoms as side-effect, or depending on age it may suggest a certain test because they may be signs of some ailment. Some are more advanced than others, but basically all these systems are just cross-referencing statistical data.
A doctor comes to the waiting room with a purpose. They want to see how you walk from the waiting room to the office as they will take a lot of information from that short walk alone.
It's true that you usually don't get any prescriptions when you have a cold or the flu unless you have some serious underlying conditions or are very old and those illnesses can get very serious. Most people here know that you shouldn't bother going to the doctor for these things and just tough it out for a few weeks. There are even GP's that ask you not to take paracetamol (and definitely no ibuprofen) when you have a fever because they believe that you need the bodies natural reaction of inflammation to have the best recovery.
Many foreigners don't understand what the GP's job is. It's not to give you something and hope for the placebo effect, his primary job is diagnosis. That's a difficult, complicated job and he has help from a medical database and tool. My doctor telling me he doesn't know or has doubt and researching things instills confidence in me. Time, how the symptoms develop, is an important diagnostical 'tool'. When my doctor tells me to take a pain killer, he also tells me which one is best for this or that it doesn't matter, he also tells me what symptoms to pay attention to and for how long. He also has a responsibility for general population health. This means that he of course will warn health authorities in case of a tuberculosis outbreak or something, but also has a responsibility not to prescribe antibiotics if it isn't necessary because it will weaken the drug's effect for the future for everybody if doctors do. He also has a responsibilty to not have patients waste the time of medical specialists. Also for that his first diagnosis is important.
Here we believe that the body is strong enough to fight (a simple) disease. Rest and let you body and immune system do what it's there for. Pills only if needed. I think that's the best they can do! I'm glad my doctor is dressed in jeans and not like a clinical doctor. Makes me relax more. I've had a complementary doctor for years (homeopathy and regular) for me that was the best! A holistic view. Love this videos showing differences between Americans and Dutch people 😊
Yes! No need for medicine for a lot of things. Only when really necessary. Or to fight the symptoms, but you can use a lot of natural products for it. Like a sore throat. Drink some Camilla tea with honey. Also like in the USA, they give antibiotics for everything even if you bump your little toe. Which will make more and more bacteria resistent against antibiotics so in the future they won't work anymore (already happening with some things). That's why they only give it when it is really necessary here in The Netherlands, when it doesn't get better, prevent it from spreading etc..
And I'm hoping our insurance isn't paying for your homeopathy, or any other alternative medicine. "Alternative medicine, has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." - Tim Minchin - Storm -
3:18 They don't Google... they are looking at the information in the "landelijk Elektronisch Patiënten Dossier" National Electronic Patient Database... every medical treatment, description, etc. you receive is stored in a national database so no matter to which doctor/hospital you go they can always pull out your info to make sure you the right treatment, without having to do a complete full interview over and over.
This is exactly how it goes down. I broke my coccyx/tailbone one year ago. Went to the huisarts (general practitioner) and she pushed on it, and said: *”Yeah I think it’s broken for sure, but you can go home. We’ll do an x-ray in three days as long as your body keeps working. We can’t do anything about a broken tailbone anyways. But if you become paralysed or incontinent, just call us and we’ll do the X-ray immediately. By the way, what do you want for the pain? Oxycodon, morphine or tramadol+diclofenac?”* But antibiotics??? I had pneumonia two times and they didn’t give me antibiotics. *”You are young and healthy, it will heal naturally, but I’ll give you prednison (corticosteroid version). Come back if you cough a lot of blood, your fever stays high or when your heart rhythm changes.”*
Ok so this was probably already mentioned, but here’s my stance on it; 1 what do you expect if you have a viral infection such as the flue or a cold? We can’t cure viruses yet so penicillin or antibiotics won’t help. Rest, some warm soup and tea will and yes ibuprofen or paracetamol or aspirin will help with the fever and muscle aches. 2 like highly said, we’re creating hypochondriacs and bodies that are immune to antibiotics with the amount and frequency it’s prescribed sometimes. 3 the shingles example is just a horrible GP. Get a new doctor. And you’ll have horrible doctors everywhere. It’s a difficult subject but honestly I like the way we do it here. The US system being geared towards prevention I don’t agree with. Why get annual check up if you feel fine and pay money for a doctors visit? I think the US system is more focused on making a profit, more then any other country in the world. Anyway rant over 😂😂
Not only that when you over I think 55 every 2 years you get a letter in the post to have you screening free for mammogram and to check for intestinal cancer. My doctor has never limited my time with a consultation and if I have severe pain for something like my back I'll say ibuprofen isn't working for me and I'll get something stronger for 10 days. I once went to the GP saying I have pains in my chest and it's heartburn he wouldn't hear of it he was so concerned same day I got full heart check at the hospital. Had 4 different tests done didn't cost me anything. Was later.told my heart is in good shape, I said told you heartburn. Point of my story I have absolutely no complaints the system works perfectly and I've lived in other countries and been to doctors.
I have been ill for almost 2 years, hospitalized, transport by ambulance, medicines, medical specialists, and still not bankrupt, just try this in a country other than the Netherlands
In the US a doctor is far more likely to give antibiotics against a cold than anywhere else, because the patient is asking for it. In the Netherlands the doctor knows it doesn't help. He/she will tell you to start eating oranges in november to get better faster when you catch it. Only a few medications exist against specific viruses, vaccinations help, and for the rest, paracetamol against the pain and other symptoms, that's it. And staying under the blankets of course.
@@joeycee2585 the US system has a reputation for prescribing antibiotics for the flu. It is anecdotal truth. Usualy due to patients who do not know the difference between a virus and a bacterial infection. It is prescribed to get rid of whining. The US is big, it must be true at least in some places.
@@joeycee2585 if u look up research shows that antibiotic resistant genes are more common in America then the Netherlands for example because in America docters are taught that antibiotics are the holy cure while in the Netherlands it is learned that too much antibiotics causes resistent bacteria that are far worse then no resistant bacteria.
We get sick plenty. But we are used to the doctor having told us to let the sickness take it course, plenty of rest watch your food and drink plenty...when the fever doesn't spike you likely be fine. When you get acute pains across stomache or intestines, dizziness let alone difficult breathing. yeah then a doctor through phone will schedule an appointment or he come see you. But others are so used to get medecine for the smallest thing, not even trying to let the body fight the decease...we aren't hougher. We are used to let immune system toughen up it seems. You Combustible does seem to know what's up. These people don't! ^^
In spite of euthanasia Dutch people live longer than Americans, women four years, men three years. Probably because they do not have any stress about the end of their lives! When it comes, it comes gently.
When I have a cold I never ever go to the doctor. I go to bed, sleep it off and in between I would indeed eat a nice warm cup of soup. But never visit the doctor. And if you have a broken leg or arm you will be send to the hospital. If you are in pain than I can understand why they gave you paracetamol, but it will never be the only thing they give or advice you. And let's be honest; there are a whole lot of people in the doctor's waiting room who don't need to be there: "oh doctor, if I push here it hurts". A Dutch doctor will always tell you to not push there anymore, you stupid 😂
i can't imagine telling my doctor what prescription to give me, knowing him for 29 years now he will probably tell me: no. The paracetamon is kinda true. They will check and set your broken leg, but they are kind of avoiding giving addictive pain medications.
If you have a cast and take pain medication you might start using the arm/leg and offset it again. Especially the first week you definitely don't want to take the risk of getting a (slightly) crooked arm or leg. Besides.. at least for a broken wrist, if you keep it still it also won't hurt. Broken bones are funny that way :)
The medical industry in the US is fully a for profit industry, so they need customers, not cures. In The Netherlands, while it is starting to go in the same direction, from the people themselves, as well as from many doctors, there is still a mentality that health comes before profit.
My doctor also wears jeans. He's always listening and watching the way I talk. He is looking at the computer which medication I am using or not and always tells me not to google for diseases myself because after a few hours I will have symtomes of every disease there is. He knows me...
One person said they came in for a checkup. We don't do checkups here, well not the ones where you get a regular checkup. you come in if you have symptoms, when you don't, you don't go to the doctor. If she got a checkup for a previous condition, I get that, thats a thing here, but no yearly checkups. We don't go to the doctor if we have the flu eighter. We know it goes away on it's own, we just stay in bed and take paracemol and tea/soup.
I dont recognize this at all at my gp. Your body has a lot of selfhealing power and you dont need medication for everything. I am glad my gp doesn’t prescribe for every little thing you feel.
Many doctors look into the “pharmaceutical compas”. It is available online, but medical experience is highly required. It contains loads of technical details, like drug interactions, what dosages to prescribe fitting the illment, ALL possible side effects, when not to use certain medication etc. The paper version is huge and you need the Hubble telescope to read it, because of how tiny the font size is. Second of all, there is a huge difference between the doctor or “huisarts” or the medical assistant. That is why they try to do a first shifting by phone. How urgent is the case? Is the doctor required or could the medical assistent deal with it.
The last guy didn’t get the Dutch system. The GP is FREE !!! (So is most of the ‘main guy’, I guess he means ‘specialist’, by the way). And yes, we believe that the body heals itself most of the time.
It's not just the amount of ailments. When you as a patient mention certain stuff you looked up on standard health sites even though backed themselves by physicians and apothecary), the doctor sometimes quickly searches it and puts his knowledge on it to debunk potential false info you got from it or not relevant to you to help explain it better. At least some of my doctors did so. i'm from Belgium.
The Dutch GP can't give a medicine against a cold, because they do not exist. Sometimes they give you something to help you with the symptoms, what is exactly what an American doctor will give you. But a Dutch GP will always help you when you are really sick.
Its true that they dress in their ‘normal’ clothes. Makes it less ‘hospital’ i guess. I dont mind it haha. Also yes, it does take like 5-10 min. and they want to make it as quick as possible but also because they are super busy and have a lot of people to see. Thats one thing i don’t really like about it. But it’s all because there is such a pressure on the healthcare for a long time that they can’t really take like 15-20 min for every person. If you really have symptoms and the doctor thinks its only curable with meds they will prescribe some, but they’re deffinetly not as quick with prescriptions as in America. I feel like they give you meds for everything. Also sometimes i feel like they want to say that everything is fine and you have to wait for sometime. If you do feel like something is not okay, and for example you want to be seen in the hospital you mostly have to ask for it and then they will do it. But yes, they will try to fix whatever is going on first by itsself or if needed with meds. And yes, its true that for ‘non emergency’s’ you have to visit you doctor first. If its during the day. At evening/night you can call the dokterswacht aka doctor on duty and they’ll see if you can go to urgent care. Like if you’re leg is broken and its obvious you can go to the emergency room. But only after you called/made an appointment with the doctor on duty who will tell you if you are allowed to go, which in that case would be. Most of the time they can see you very quickly. Or you can call an ambulance for real emergencies. I ones fell at work and had an ‘egg’ sized bruised hand. Hurted really bad, couldnt move much. I still needed to visit the doctor first to see if it was nessesary to go to the emergency room for pictures, like whut?💁♀️ i think thats so weird, and costs a lot of time. But all in all, i think we as dutchies can’t complain. I mean yes its not cheap, but it’s deffinitly much more cheaper then healthcare in America😅 Every citizen in the Netherlands is required to have a health insurance. Monthly you pay around €130-€180 for health insurance. Next to that everyone has an ‘own risk’ thats around €360 a year. So for example, you had a car accident and was brought to the hospital with the ambulance, got fully screened and checked out, you only pay your own risk. Some people higher their own risk to have a lower montly cost. But i just keep it at €360. I think thats a good system. In America i was thankfull that the company i was with had a great health insurance for me, because i ones got in an accident over there and was brought to hospital with ambulance and got scans etc. Well i almost got a heart attack when i saw those health insurance bills. I shit you not, like several bills that were in total more then like $30.000. Like omg! So yeah i think we really cant complain to much haha
I broke a few ribs last year and when I called the Dutch GP, the assistant asked me: can you breathe? (Well apparently, because I’m calling you). So I couldn’t make an appointment and the advice was to take a paracetamol and ibuprofen combo and try not to cough or sneeze. Of course I caught a cold the next week. Were some cool weeks.
The big difference is that you can be sick in the Netherlands, no boss will trow you out course we have sick days. In America you cant be sick for one day so they get you on your feet with medicine you do not really need. Being sick for A good week lying in bed and feeling horrible is not nice but the result is better be-course your body got better by itself. You will come out stronger at the end.
@@joeycee2585 You mean all those news articles about people who got fired for being sick one day, losing health insurance and no longer able to get medical care and die, are all fake?
@@hagelslag9312 All of them? Probably not. How many have you read-- five, 10, 20? With,, say, 70 million working adults you'll come across people that may happen to. There are 'horror' stories everywhere in the world--even in the Netherlands.
The 'filter' is there for a reason. So that people whom ACTUALLY need medical care can be helped very quickly. I had terrible pain and after seeing the GP I was in a hospital within 10 minutes (ambulance) and in surgery within a hour or so. That's very efficient. If the healthcare system was clogged up with all kinds of people with minor ailments like the common cold. I wouldn't have been in surgery within 2 hours. And I could have been in serious trouble (appendicitis)
GP's here dont wanna deal with the small issues, they take the time when it is serious. Dutch dont like to waste time, places to go things to do. Hence we are the planning kind, rarely Dutch are late. And when someone is late and excuses for being late quite often the responce will be ' You did'nt left on time'. Yep Dutch are blunt, but exceptions confirm the rule as they always will🤣
If you already hace issues, like high blood pressure or lung issues, our doctor will ask you to come in at least once a week year to check how things are going, these visits are always preceded by a blood and urine test
I think they talk about the "huisarts" Family doctor. If a doctor gives you a prescription for medicine you go to your (own) pharmacist and they check if the medicine you use give interaction or if you have allergies for any of them.
I don't go to the doctor for a cold. It is annoying but just keep breathing and a paracetamol. Will go to the doctor if a get a fever and it doesn't go away. Then they give a course of antibiotics. I don't run to the doctor so fast.
One experience that I had with a house doctor: I had fallen off my bike really hard and fell with a hand straight down, so all the shock went through my wrist. Pain, pain, pain, so I went to the house doctor. There he was sitting behind his desk, he heard my story and then je casually crossed his arms and said: "Yes, it is strange what the human mind can do: you fell on your wrist so your mind THINKS that that must hurt!" I got up, said goodbye to him and we made an appointment straight at the girst aid in the hospital. (Somehow back then that was possible; I was still a kid back then.) A far less nice story about that same doctor: an elderly lady from Iraq complained of extreme headache. She felt it so clear that something was terribly wrong. The doctor sent her back home to take some paracetamol. Her two sons went to that house doctor and BEGGED him to take a better look at her, because something was REALLY wrong with her! The doctor refused to look at her and the same evening she died. Her sons right away looked for a house in another town, saying: "If we would ever see that house doctor walking in the streets, we would MURDER him and we just don't want to go to jail, so we must move to another town to prevent ever seeing him somewhere in the streets of this small town."
About the double appointment, that's indeed a thing here. One time I had pain in my back and the doctor looked at it. I also had a strange little rash on my finger and asked him if he perhaps had some cream for it, but he refused to look at it: "You should have made a double appointment for that. On your way out you pass my assistant and there you can make a new appointment for that rash."
And about the doctor's clothing; funny, I never thought about it. but in m childhood doctors always wore 3-parts suits: trousers, shirt and a suit jacket that belonged to the trousers. Now they usually wear high class casual clothing, but I really never noticed that transition until I saw this video! About the gynaecologist eating a sandwich: I worked in a hospital a while ago as an IT guy. I needed to go to the morgue to fix a computer there. "Would you like some strawberry lemonade?", the guy there asked. Thinking of blood of those corpses, I kindly refused! :P Wait till you're sick: not always, some house doctors do prefer if you come at least once a year, but in general it is correct. That thumbnail in the end is funny: hottentottententententoonstelling. The Hottentotten are certain small people in Africa. Tenten = tents. Tentoonstelling = exposition. The word only exists because it can, and because it looks so confusing. 🙂
The paracetamol of the Dutch GP apparently works well: Dutch health care is among the best in the world. Number 6. (USA number 18. Hungary number 46. Russia number 76) Figures 2022
The best medicine for the flu or a cold or some ill feeling is CHICKEN SOUP . Believe me. 🤒 🍜 Every mom or dad with some common sense will make fresh chicken soup for their kids and themselves when they don't feel well. Works wonders.
Opioid addiction in the Netherlands...next to nothing. Our bodies can do a whole lot by itself and i know Americans get antibiotics for viral infections alot, wich doesnt do anything since its viral. Same goes for alot of meds. By the time they would work, you are already getting better on your own. No need to put unnecessarily stuff in your body that wil weaken your imune system and/or create a tolerance for something that wont work when you realy realy need it. If you actualy need something (realy realy) you will get it. Otherwise, just let your body rest en handle it.
Considering the fact that in the USA a lot of people get hooked on painkillers after a simple surgical procedure or a dental treatment, paracetamol is just not a bad idea. Also: virusses can't be treated with medication. They can only be prevented with vaccination if available. When you call the huisarts for a visit, they will ask you what is wrong, so that the huisarts is prepared when you actually attend at the visit. It's called efficiency, He or she will watch the computer to check your medical history, the medication that you are using and wat will be the best decision to make. In case you will need to take a new medicin, your prescribtion will be checked at the farmacy for safety reasons.
I think the Americans (and other countries) want a prescription so fast is because they need to go to work otherwise they will have problems with the boss. In the Netherlands you call in stick and stay home untill you are better without any problems with the boss. So why would you take antibiotics/medicine that would not work
Having a general doctor as first line has several advantages. This person knows you well which helps with diagnosis, trust between patient and doctor, she knows who the best specialists are and it is more efficient and cheaper. Most childhood diseases do not need specialized care and the family doctor is welk qualified to deal with those and trained to determine specialized care is necessary. The pediatrician (who is far more expensive) will deal with issues that need this specialized care but also does not have to perform the routine checks. The general doctor has also an overview of your health issues.
Yes exactly. Also I hardly go to my GP so when I do go he knows there’s something wrong. If I’d be in his office every damn time I had a sniffle he wouldn’t know what to do at some point I’m sure.
@@rowanthomas9181 Also most Dutch know that recovering from a severe cold without medication takes 2 weeks and with medication 14 days. We use some paracetamol, nose drops, chickensoup and other home remedies (I don't know the english words for these remedies) to feel more comfortable, but we know that "cold-medications" do not speed up recovery. We also know that antibiotics do not work on a cold. They are only usëful if you get a secondary bacterial infection. Going to a doctor for a basic cold is a waste of money and time.8 It makes only sense if you get symptoms out of the ordinary like a sudden increase to a high fever, getting really short of breath or no recovery at all after 2 weeks.
They check the computer because there is so much research coming out in the medical field that its humanly impossible to keep up with it. I heard from a doctor (american family physiscian) there is over a 100 medical studies getting published every minute.
Really nice to see these peeps who want someting to supress their illness and go on their normal bussiness. This is not how it works here in The Netherlands. If you are not feelling well, stay at home. If you are in pain, take a paracetamol (which you can buy almost everywhere) and take it easy (get some rest!). If you really think you need help, call your doctor. If you think you're gonna die, dail 112. Highly knows already, apparently 👍. Highly, perhaps the Dutch took the military way as normal for all ?
5:00 Can the average USA person afford annual checkups? I think the Dutch system is more preventing due to its healthcare. I hear a lot of people in the USA are not going to the doctor until their illness or injury is really preventing them to work/live normally. In the Netherlands people go to the doctor sooner as it is free. Because of this serious issues are diagnosed sooner (on average) and is fixed sooner and by that often cheaper.
Imagine having to learn all side effects and contra indications from medicine. Of course they look it up. I'm happy when my doctor looks it up and I can look it up with them. Also I'm a home care RN and the amount of times my patients want to call a doctor for banal things is rediculous. Normally I ask them the same questions the doctors assistant asks the when they call and most of the time I can help them with the problem or I can inform them about it.
By the way; Anyone can go to the hospital and see a specialist directly. No problem, just pay yourself in that case. Also pay yourself for the medicine in that case.
Nobody is using Google for this. They search a medical database containing your personal information with medical history and medicine use and insurance. Not all insurance companies pay for brand medicine and require you to take non branded products. Also it contains the latest information on newer medicine or treatments for certain things. It's very specific for your case. You should consider the computer as a 2nd doctor and 2nd opinion to support your doctor. You wouldn't want to use a type of medicine that interacts with other stuff you already use. A doctor doesn't know everything and consulting the database is the best thing they can do. It also saves you a lot of money because everyone has to pay for the first 350 to 500 euro each year (eigen bijdrage or own contribution). If they give you medicine that's the most expensive you'll run up that bill quickly leaving you with a high bill to pay to the insurance company at the end of the year. Also the 10 minute rule is normal. Each consult by default is ten minutes. That's the time the insurance company allows the doctor to spend on a patient with normal health issues non life threatening and all that. That also gives the doctor time for other patients and run a tight schedule. Our Healthcare system is under huge strain and costs and a doctor doesn't get paid for overtime. Our system is efficient and cost effective. We don't bullshit around.. People with the flu are babies.. there is nothing to treat. There is no treatment for the flu. The only thing that works well is rest and tea . All the medicine for flu are fake. They don't work and that has been scientifically proven. Paracetamol is anti infection and painkiller to give some relief. Whatever and whoever claims that there are medicine for the cold or flu is a liar and charlatan. You need fluids and lot of it. Drink lot of water and green tea and take paracetamol. All other stuff is a placebo. We don't like big pharma here.
I understand that in the US and many other countries people expect to get a medicine prescribed. Even an antibiotic for influenza, which doesn't do anything at all because influenza is a virus and not bacterial. Dutch doctors are very reluctant when it comes to prescribing antibiotics because more and more bacteria are becomming resistand and soon we will be running out of antibiotics that will actually be able to kill the most dangerous bacteria that are rampant in hospitals.
the reason why the Dutch doctor starts with paracetamol are the side effect of the drug If paracetamol does not help, you can try an NSAID: for example ibuprofen, naproxen or diclofenac. These painkillers work well but can cause serious side effects. Use them as briefly as possible. And always only 1 species at a time. Discuss it with your doctor first: if you have a disease of your heart or kidneys if you are older than 60 years if you have had an ulcer or stomach bleeding Doesn't it help enough? Use paracetamol with it.
When going to the doctor here you got to tell the doctor that you want real medication for the symptoms and already tried paracetamol you got to be direct ....
That you have to wait till monday is BS ,after officehours there is emergency service a couple of "huisartsen" are on duty so you can get help 24/7 maybe not your own personal but there is a doctor
Turns out after getting a 10 day Paracetamol treatment, I'm allergic to Paracetamol. Look at the Dutch doctors when you say that, they get all weirded out. But indeed the treatment had always been Paracetamol for everything and it never worked on me so I just thought a doctor was a fake thing all together lol I went into alternative healing at 18 years old. I don't think I would have survived the Netherlands if I hadn't lol
The holiday one made me laugh. But tbh even though it seems much, they definitely deserve their holidays. GP's are always overworked and working overtime on a daily basis. They also have you covered because you still can make an appointment, just with a different GP. I'm mostly surprised how they are unsettled by the research the GP does in front of you. It shows they stay up to date, do double checks, check their claims if they are correct etc... It's a good thing! F that performative bs as if they have to know it all! Good for them to focus on helping me, not looking as a know-it-all. I'd also like to add we have a serious problem in the world with medication specifically antibiotics. In the USA and many other countries they are nearly over the counter drugs for about anything. But here we treat it as a last resort due to the serious issues long term. If you build antibiotics resistance, then you get incredibly ill, *nobody can help you*. It's a serious problem and I reccommend reading into this subject. Antibiotics is also forbidden now in cattle for this exact reason. It is suspected if antibiotics no longer work, the average life expectancy goes down 50 years. There are many people in the Netherlands who never had antibiotics in their lifetime. I had it only once. And after learning this, I'm actually glad they're cautious. Do not, for the love of god, take antibiotics to treat a virus. It's useless. Here I go adding more going into this video but gosh. Euthanasia is NOT easy to get. (Source; I have a family member that got approval and passed several months ago. It's a lengthy, difficult and tiring process.) It's an exception and you have to prove no positive outcome in life for example a terminal disease that worsens (quickly too, if it goes slow you don't get it either) rapidly and gives an inhumane amount of pain. But there are a lot of people in this country that sincerely struggle to get approval but want to go this route instead of doing it themselves. It's a heartbreaking subject but very real.
in the netherlands the GP is more like a gatekeeper for the real heavy diseases. they know the body most likely heals itself. the inflamatories of the body should take at least 5 days on its own, so if it just started just take paracetemol to numb the pain and deal with it until your body heals it self, you dont want to have a lot of ibuprofane because that is anti inflamatory. but the body needs that inflamatory to heal itself (there is a reason it happens) it only becomes a problem if you still have the symptomes after a week. and most of the time they are then quick to act and get you a specialist within a couple of days, or even the same day. so the GP is there for the little things the check ups and to be some kind of gatekeeper for the specialist edit: and they are very carefull with antibiotics and opiates because that shit isn't good for you in the long run. so they only use it if they don't have any other choice. but if you get antibiotics or even opiates you will get to pick it up within an hour or 2 of leaving the GP, cause they will send to your farmacist that you are going to pick it up and it is all 'free'
Not everything is sunshine and happiness here, i have lung issues because i had Covid in Februari, since the end of August i have been waiting to get tested by the lung doctor.
there is a huge problem with antibiotics. people are slowly becoming imune to it... the reason is because in a lot of countries doctors will hand out antibiotics very easily, when it's not necessary. it's much much better to just let your own body fight any infection and only give the antibiotics in cases where the body needs help
6 weeks ago there is a forklift! Drove over my right foot. 4x broken, and €375. Because I didn't go to the House doctor first. En dat is niet wat de ER zei! 112! Kom zelf maar hier heen. I, don't care! €375,- . And the rest is PAID!!!! If, I fist was at the House Doctor. I, had €375,- still in my pocit.
my Dutch husband is at home right now (on pain meds prescibed by his docter), waiting to see if his body can recover from a hernia or if he needs to be operated if his body can't do it by himself.
A hernia patient myself, nobody will be operated on anymore. A hernia has to be treated with rest and exercises. In case of a hernia, painkillers are prescribed by the GP. When things are really bad you are referred to a specialist. My advice go to a physiotherapist, he/she can help you.
You can make fun of it, but overhere we are believing that is is not good to take for every simple cold to take penicilline. Your body is resistent when you really need it.
I'm really not buying the story that a gynaecologist was eating a sandwich during the examination. That's absolutely prohibited. By the way: they all look healthy in the video. So they all survived their life threatening illness with just paracetamol :)
It’s dokter not doctor. It’s doctor when you have a PhD. ( Doctor (abbreviation: Dr.) is the highest academic degree or title a person can acquire at a university in most countries. Obtaining this degree is the promotion and is based on scientific qualifications, of which the publishing of a dissertation is usually the most important.)
My doctor is not on google,and we have a practice of 7 doctors so if one has vacation a nother one is there,And yes he comes to get you himself,i dont know that kind of doctor they have I never get paracetamol.maybe they just have the cold,and if you break your arm you dont get painkillers here,never.and if you have a cold why do you go to the docter come on.sick it out
Common cold and flu are viral infections. There is nothing that really works in those cases so the only thing one can do is ease the 'pain' with some paracetamol which is the least harmful painkiller for most people. Actually there are very few real medicines that do anything more than lessen the symptoms. For instance statins don't prevent a heart attack or make you live a day longer and metformin lowers your blood sugar but does not heal your diabetes and does nothing for your NAFLD. Antibiotics should only be given when all else fails as whole countries are made resistent to them nowadays so when you really need them nothing works anymore and you die. Besides that: they also kill your gut bacteria which can cause metabolic illnesses. It's a good practice to try let the body do its own healing and leave the pills for serious cases. I know, that is bad for big Pharma shareholdervalue... Eat real food and not the ultra processed crap from the food industry. Read more? "lies my doctor told me" by Ken D Berry MD etc might be a good start.
I sometimes watch shows with vpn on American channels and find the commercials so weird. Specially those for anti hiv medicine.🤯 It doesn't sound healthy to use those medicine if you don't really having a chance of getting hiv. That sounds like a medicine to prescribe someone with a partner with hiv so you have a significant risk for a disease. 🤨
Some people call the GP for every itch they have. And yes, doctors in the Netherlands are on vacation 364 days a year. Once had an appointment for surgery delayed by over 18 months because one after the other specialist required for that surgery took leave for vacation. Had to become a literal emergency before they did anything. Doctors either do not care or they do not know the difference between patience and patients. Disease does not wait.
My dude this made me cringe a bit because some of this isnt true at all. 1 you do not tell the doctor what you want prescribed. This is not The US. 2 you dont make double appointments, you just stay untill your done? This is evident in the waiting room that is sometimes very packed because everyone got scheduled in the same hour, but some appointments take longer than others. 3 They can and will absolutely see you if you have an emergency that doesnt require a hospital visit, if it does. Go to the hospital👀 4 you get paracetamol because its over the counter, works on most people (they gave me this for migraines, it didnt work and then i got switched to 600mg ibuprofen which do work) its cheap and they dont want you to get addicted to heavy painkillers, just tough it out.
Euthanasia efficient??? Get yourself educated!! It's a very serious topic here in the Netherlands. As for medicine, for most people a good rest and taking care of yourselves is sufficient to heal. If yoy are really ill ....believe me you will know your body will lèt you know and then you will receive the best medical care you can think of. Professional and for free. Besides your "eigen bijdrage". I would not go for medical care to another country. Here in the Netherlands health care is one of the best. Ones you know the system you'll understand. And no a doctor doesn't google when you sitting there. Ask them what they actually do!
What you guys don't seem to understand is that every person has access to the huisarts and hospitals. Even foreigners. Not every american is insured and 60 million are addicted to heavy painkillers. You are SO ignorant 😢
Dutch GP's learn that in 99% of cases the body will heal itself. They are trained to spot the 1% and refer you to the correct second line health care (usually a specialist in a hospital). The specialist will treat you top notch and if you are really, really sick, you must stay there in hospital. And euthenasia is not because of efficiency. It is because of peoples own preference to die with dignity.
I mean, it's how medical care works in general. Medication can only support the body to help itself but in the end it's the body that has to do the healing. The amount of people that treat medicine as some kind of health potion is too damn high. It's a realistic approach to understand the body has to do the hard work, not the medication.
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Just because a doctor looks in his computer doesn't mean he/she googles. Before they call you in they already opened your file so they can check your new complaint with what your medical history is, what medicine you are allergic to, things like that.
Glad you agree not taking medicine when you don't really need it.
Great reaction. Nasty thing, a hernia. Stay healthy please 🤞
I believe doctors have websites they can access that are basically online medical books.
@@NecramoniumVideo i agree..
Thats what tought so too
@@NecramoniumVideo They have so-called "expert systems". It's basically a database that gives the doctor suggestions and reminders. For example, with certain symptoms it may remind the doctor to check for specific medicine that are known to have those symptoms as side-effect, or depending on age it may suggest a certain test because they may be signs of some ailment. Some are more advanced than others, but basically all these systems are just cross-referencing statistical data.
A doctor comes to the waiting room with a purpose. They want to see how you walk from the waiting room to the office as they will take a lot of information from that short walk alone.
It's true that you usually don't get any prescriptions when you have a cold or the flu unless you have some serious underlying conditions or are very old and those illnesses can get very serious. Most people here know that you shouldn't bother going to the doctor for these things and just tough it out for a few weeks. There are even GP's that ask you not to take paracetamol (and definitely no ibuprofen) when you have a fever because they believe that you need the bodies natural reaction of inflammation to have the best recovery.
Ibuprofen causes high blood pressure, i stay away from that stuff...
Many foreigners don't understand what the GP's job is. It's not to give you something and hope for the placebo effect, his primary job is diagnosis. That's a difficult, complicated job and he has help from a medical database and tool. My doctor telling me he doesn't know or has doubt and researching things instills confidence in me. Time, how the symptoms develop, is an important diagnostical 'tool'. When my doctor tells me to take a pain killer, he also tells me which one is best for this or that it doesn't matter, he also tells me what symptoms to pay attention to and for how long.
He also has a responsibility for general population health. This means that he of course will warn health authorities in case of a tuberculosis outbreak or something, but also has a responsibility not to prescribe antibiotics if it isn't necessary because it will weaken the drug's effect for the future for everybody if doctors do. He also has a responsibilty to not have patients waste the time of medical specialists. Also for that his first diagnosis is important.
Here we believe that the body is strong enough to fight (a simple) disease. Rest and let you body and immune system do what it's there for. Pills only if needed. I think that's the best they can do! I'm glad my doctor is dressed in jeans and not like a clinical doctor. Makes me relax more. I've had a complementary doctor for years (homeopathy and regular) for me that was the best! A holistic view. Love this videos showing differences between Americans and Dutch people 😊
Yes! No need for medicine for a lot of things. Only when really necessary. Or to fight the symptoms, but you can use a lot of natural products for it. Like a sore throat. Drink some Camilla tea with honey. Also like in the USA, they give antibiotics for everything even if you bump your little toe. Which will make more and more bacteria resistent against antibiotics so in the future they won't work anymore (already happening with some things). That's why they only give it when it is really necessary here in The Netherlands, when it doesn't get better, prevent it from spreading etc..
And I'm hoping our insurance isn't paying for your homeopathy, or any other alternative medicine.
"Alternative medicine, has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work.
Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?
Medicine."
- Tim Minchin - Storm -
3:18 They don't Google... they are looking at the information in the "landelijk Elektronisch Patiënten Dossier" National Electronic Patient Database... every medical treatment, description, etc. you receive is stored in a national database so no matter to which doctor/hospital you go they can always pull out your info to make sure you the right treatment, without having to do a complete full interview over and over.
Or their medical database / website
This is exactly how it goes down. I broke my coccyx/tailbone one year ago. Went to the huisarts (general practitioner) and she pushed on it, and said: *”Yeah I think it’s broken for sure, but you can go home. We’ll do an x-ray in three days as long as your body keeps working. We can’t do anything about a broken tailbone anyways. But if you become paralysed or incontinent, just call us and we’ll do the X-ray immediately. By the way, what do you want for the pain? Oxycodon, morphine or tramadol+diclofenac?”*
But antibiotics??? I had pneumonia two times and they didn’t give me antibiotics. *”You are young and healthy, it will heal naturally, but I’ll give you prednison (corticosteroid version). Come back if you cough a lot of blood, your fever stays high or when your heart rhythm changes.”*
How is the injury today?
Ok so this was probably already mentioned, but here’s my stance on it;
1 what do you expect if you have a viral infection such as the flue or a cold? We can’t cure viruses yet so penicillin or antibiotics won’t help. Rest, some warm soup and tea will and yes ibuprofen or paracetamol or aspirin will help with the fever and muscle aches.
2 like highly said, we’re creating hypochondriacs and bodies that are immune to antibiotics with the amount and frequency it’s prescribed sometimes.
3 the shingles example is just a horrible GP. Get a new doctor. And you’ll have horrible doctors everywhere.
It’s a difficult subject but honestly I like the way we do it here. The US system being geared towards prevention I don’t agree with. Why get annual check up if you feel fine and pay money for a doctors visit? I think the US system is more focused on making a profit, more then any other country in the world.
Anyway rant over 😂😂
I agree with your rant 😅
I also agree .. ( Groetjes uit Groningen )
Not only that when you over I think 55 every 2 years you get a letter in the post to have you screening free for mammogram and to check for intestinal cancer. My doctor has never limited my time with a consultation and if I have severe pain for something like my back I'll say ibuprofen isn't working for me and I'll get something stronger for 10 days. I once went to the GP saying I have pains in my chest and it's heartburn he wouldn't hear of it he was so concerned same day I got full heart check at the hospital. Had 4 different tests done didn't cost me anything. Was later.told my heart is in good shape, I said told you heartburn. Point of my story I have absolutely no complaints the system works perfectly and I've lived in other countries and been to doctors.
I have been ill for almost 2 years, hospitalized, transport by ambulance, medicines, medical specialists, and still not bankrupt, just try this in a country other than the Netherlands
In the US a doctor is far more likely to give antibiotics against a cold than anywhere else, because the patient is asking for it.
In the Netherlands the doctor knows it doesn't help. He/she will tell you to start eating oranges in november to get better faster when you catch it. Only a few medications exist against specific viruses, vaccinations help, and for the rest, paracetamol against the pain and other symptoms, that's it. And staying under the blankets of course.
I'm curious: how do you know American doctors prescribe antibiotics for colds?
@@joeycee2585 they seem to prescribe everything else, maybe that is why ..
@@Lilygirl283 Is that an assumption or does he know it for a fact, I wonder?
@@joeycee2585 the US system has a reputation for prescribing antibiotics for the flu. It is anecdotal truth. Usualy due to patients who do not know the difference between a virus and a bacterial infection. It is prescribed to get rid of whining.
The US is big, it must be true at least in some places.
@@joeycee2585 if u look up research shows that antibiotic resistant genes are more common in America then the Netherlands for example because in America docters are taught that antibiotics are the holy cure while in the Netherlands it is learned that too much antibiotics causes resistent bacteria that are far worse then no resistant bacteria.
We get sick plenty. But we are used to the doctor having told us to let the sickness take it course, plenty of rest watch your food and drink plenty...when the fever doesn't spike you likely be fine. When you get acute pains across stomache or intestines, dizziness let alone difficult breathing. yeah then a doctor through phone will schedule an appointment or he come see you.
But others are so used to get medecine for the smallest thing, not even trying to let the body fight the decease...we aren't hougher. We are used to let immune system toughen up it seems. You Combustible does seem to know what's up. These people don't! ^^
In spite of euthanasia Dutch people live longer than Americans, women four years, men three years.
Probably because they do not have any stress about the end of their lives! When it comes, it comes gently.
And because our doctors do not pump us full with bad medicines when we start to cry
When I have a cold I never ever go to the doctor. I go to bed, sleep it off and in between I would indeed eat a nice warm cup of soup. But never visit the doctor. And if you have a broken leg or arm you will be send to the hospital. If you are in pain than I can understand why they gave you paracetamol, but it will never be the only thing they give or advice you. And let's be honest; there are a whole lot of people in the doctor's waiting room who don't need to be there: "oh doctor, if I push here it hurts". A Dutch doctor will always tell you to not push there anymore, you stupid 😂
i can't imagine telling my doctor what prescription to give me, knowing him for 29 years now he will probably tell me: no. The paracetamon is kinda true. They will check and set your broken leg, but they are kind of avoiding giving addictive pain medications.
If you have a cast and take pain medication you might start using the arm/leg and offset it again. Especially the first week you definitely don't want to take the risk of getting a (slightly) crooked arm or leg. Besides.. at least for a broken wrist, if you keep it still it also won't hurt. Broken bones are funny that way :)
Yes tell the doctor you need a prescription for something and he will probably say: Oh if you are the doctor here, why are you asking me? 😂
The medical industry in the US is fully a for profit industry, so they need customers, not cures. In The Netherlands, while it is starting to go in the same direction, from the people themselves, as well as from many doctors, there is still a mentality that health comes before profit.
My doctor also wears jeans. He's always listening and watching the way I talk. He is looking at the computer which medication I am using or not and always tells me not to google for diseases myself because after a few hours I will have symtomes of every disease there is.
He knows me...
One person said they came in for a checkup. We don't do checkups here, well not the ones where you get a regular checkup. you come in if you have symptoms, when you don't, you don't go to the doctor. If she got a checkup for a previous condition, I get that, thats a thing here, but no yearly checkups.
We don't go to the doctor if we have the flu eighter. We know it goes away on it's own, we just stay in bed and take paracemol and tea/soup.
Veel oudere mensen gaan ieder jaar voor een "Apk", wordt aanbevolen door de Hartstichting.
I dont recognize this at all at my gp. Your body has a lot of selfhealing power and you dont need medication for everything. I am glad my gp doesn’t prescribe for every little thing you feel.
Many doctors look into the “pharmaceutical compas”. It is available online, but medical experience is highly required. It contains loads of technical details, like drug interactions, what dosages to prescribe fitting the illment, ALL possible side effects, when not to use certain medication etc. The paper version is huge and you need the Hubble telescope to read it, because of how tiny the font size is.
Second of all, there is a huge difference between the doctor or “huisarts” or the medical assistant. That is why they try to do a first shifting by phone. How urgent is the case? Is the doctor required or could the medical assistent deal with it.
The last guy didn’t get the Dutch system. The GP is FREE !!! (So is most of the ‘main guy’, I guess he means ‘specialist’, by the way). And yes, we believe that the body heals itself most of the time.
It's not just the amount of ailments. When you as a patient mention certain stuff you looked up on standard health sites even though backed themselves by physicians and apothecary), the doctor sometimes quickly searches it and puts his knowledge on it to debunk potential false info you got from it or not relevant to you to help explain it better.
At least some of my doctors did so. i'm from Belgium.
Take some paracetamol 😂 you make my day better 🎉thanks again 😂
The Dutch GP can't give a medicine against a cold, because they do not exist. Sometimes they give you something to help you with the symptoms, what is exactly what an American doctor will give you.
But a Dutch GP will always help you when you are really sick.
Its true that they dress in their ‘normal’ clothes. Makes it less ‘hospital’ i guess. I dont mind it haha.
Also yes, it does take like 5-10 min. and they want to make it as quick as possible but also because they are super busy and have a lot of people to see. Thats one thing i don’t really like about it. But it’s all because there is such a pressure on the healthcare for a long time that they can’t really take like 15-20 min for every person.
If you really have symptoms and the doctor thinks its only curable with meds they will prescribe some, but they’re deffinetly not as quick with prescriptions as in America. I feel like they give you meds for everything.
Also sometimes i feel like they want to say that everything is fine and you have to wait for sometime. If you do feel like something is not okay, and for example you want to be seen in the hospital you mostly have to ask for it and then they will do it. But yes, they will try to fix whatever is going on first by itsself or if needed with meds.
And yes, its true that for ‘non emergency’s’ you have to visit you doctor first. If its during the day. At evening/night you can call the dokterswacht aka doctor on duty and they’ll see if you can go to urgent care.
Like if you’re leg is broken and its obvious you can go to the emergency room. But only after you called/made an appointment with the doctor on duty who will tell you if you are allowed to go, which in that case would be. Most of the time they can see you very quickly. Or you can call an ambulance for real emergencies.
I ones fell at work and had an ‘egg’ sized bruised hand. Hurted really bad, couldnt move much. I still needed to visit the doctor first to see if it was nessesary to go to the emergency room for pictures, like whut?💁♀️ i think thats so weird, and costs a lot of time.
But all in all, i think we as dutchies can’t complain. I mean yes its not cheap, but it’s deffinitly much more cheaper then healthcare in America😅
Every citizen in the Netherlands is required to have a health insurance.
Monthly you pay around €130-€180 for health insurance. Next to that everyone has an ‘own risk’ thats around €360 a year. So for example, you had a car accident and was brought to the hospital with the ambulance, got fully screened and checked out, you only pay your own risk. Some people higher their own risk to have a lower montly cost. But i just keep it at €360.
I think thats a good system. In America i was thankfull that the company i was with had a great health insurance for me, because i ones got in an accident over there and was brought to hospital with ambulance and got scans etc. Well i almost got a heart attack when i saw those health insurance bills. I shit you not, like several bills that were in total more then like $30.000. Like omg! So yeah i think we really cant complain to much haha
Many diseases often have the same symptoms, which is why a doctor looks at a medical website.
I broke a few ribs last year and when I called the Dutch GP, the assistant asked me: can you breathe? (Well apparently, because I’m calling you). So I couldn’t make an appointment and the advice was to take a paracetamol and ibuprofen combo and try not to cough or sneeze. Of course I caught a cold the next week. Were some cool weeks.
The big difference is that you can be sick in the Netherlands, no boss will trow you out course we have sick days. In America you cant be sick for one day so they get you on your feet with medicine you do not really need. Being sick for A good week lying in bed and feeling horrible is not nice but the result is better be-course your body got better by itself. You will come out stronger at the end.
Amazing how much Dutch people (think they) know about what happens when Americans get sick.
@@joeycee2585 You mean all those news articles about people who got fired for being sick one day, losing health insurance and no longer able to get medical care and die, are all fake?
@@hagelslag9312 All of them? Probably not. How many have you read-- five, 10, 20? With,, say, 70 million working adults you'll come across people that may happen to. There are 'horror' stories everywhere in the world--even in the Netherlands.
The 'filter' is there for a reason. So that people whom ACTUALLY need medical care can be helped very quickly.
I had terrible pain and after seeing the GP I was in a hospital within 10 minutes (ambulance) and in surgery within a hour or so.
That's very efficient. If the healthcare system was clogged up with all kinds of people with minor ailments like the common cold. I wouldn't have been in surgery within 2 hours.
And I could have been in serious trouble (appendicitis)
GP's here dont wanna deal with the small issues, they take the time when it is serious. Dutch dont like to waste time, places to go things to do. Hence we are the planning kind, rarely Dutch are late. And when someone is late and excuses for being late quite often the responce will be ' You did'nt left on time'. Yep Dutch are blunt, but exceptions confirm the rule as they always will🤣
If you already hace issues, like high blood pressure or lung issues, our doctor will ask you to come in at least once a week year to check how things are going, these visits are always preceded by a blood and urine test
These are the peoples that make a appointment difficult……
Your doctor will say;take some rest, go to bed, knowing fully well that you have
plenty sick days on full pay.
Different story in the States....
Hwy are you asking the computer? Yeah, before we had computers/internet she would have a problem if the docter asked a book. She can read.
Allergie medicine is available on the free market in grocery stores and drugstore as well
I think they talk about the "huisarts" Family doctor. If a doctor gives you a prescription for medicine you go to your (own) pharmacist and they check if the medicine you use give interaction or if you have allergies for any of them.
I don't go to the doctor for a cold. It is annoying but just keep breathing and a paracetamol. Will go to the doctor if a get a fever and it doesn't go away. Then they give a course of antibiotics. I don't run to the doctor so fast.
One experience that I had with a house doctor: I had fallen off my bike really hard and fell with a hand straight down, so all the shock went through my wrist.
Pain, pain, pain, so I went to the house doctor.
There he was sitting behind his desk, he heard my story and then je casually crossed his arms and said: "Yes, it is strange what the human mind can do: you fell on your wrist so your mind THINKS that that must hurt!"
I got up, said goodbye to him and we made an appointment straight at the girst aid in the hospital. (Somehow back then that was possible; I was still a kid back then.)
A far less nice story about that same doctor: an elderly lady from Iraq complained of extreme headache. She felt it so clear that something was terribly wrong.
The doctor sent her back home to take some paracetamol. Her two sons went to that house doctor and BEGGED him to take a better look at her, because something was REALLY wrong with her!
The doctor refused to look at her and the same evening she died.
Her sons right away looked for a house in another town, saying: "If we would ever see that house doctor walking in the streets, we would MURDER him and we just don't want to go to jail, so we must move to another town to prevent ever seeing him somewhere in the streets of this small town."
About the double appointment, that's indeed a thing here.
One time I had pain in my back and the doctor looked at it. I also had a strange little rash on my finger and asked him if he perhaps had some cream for it, but he refused to look at it: "You should have made a double appointment for that. On your way out you pass my assistant and there you can make a new appointment for that rash."
And about the doctor's clothing; funny, I never thought about it. but in m childhood doctors always wore 3-parts suits: trousers, shirt and a suit jacket that belonged to the trousers.
Now they usually wear high class casual clothing, but I really never noticed that transition until I saw this video!
About the gynaecologist eating a sandwich: I worked in a hospital a while ago as an IT guy.
I needed to go to the morgue to fix a computer there.
"Would you like some strawberry lemonade?", the guy there asked.
Thinking of blood of those corpses, I kindly refused! :P
Wait till you're sick: not always, some house doctors do prefer if you come at least once a year, but in general it is correct.
That thumbnail in the end is funny: hottentottententententoonstelling.
The Hottentotten are certain small people in Africa.
Tenten = tents.
Tentoonstelling = exposition.
The word only exists because it can, and because it looks so confusing. 🙂
The paracetamol of the Dutch GP apparently works well: Dutch health care is among the best in the world. Number 6.
(USA number 18. Hungary number 46. Russia number 76)
Figures 2022
English doc. "What do you think it is" 🤷 your the doc? 😂
The best medicine for the flu or a cold or some ill feeling is CHICKEN SOUP . Believe me. 🤒 🍜
Every mom or dad with some common sense will make fresh chicken soup for their kids and themselves when they don't feel well. Works wonders.
Opioid addiction in the Netherlands...next to nothing. Our bodies can do a whole lot by itself and i know Americans get antibiotics for viral infections alot, wich doesnt do anything since its viral. Same goes for alot of meds. By the time they would work, you are already getting better on your own. No need to put unnecessarily stuff in your body that wil weaken your imune system and/or create a tolerance for something that wont work when you realy realy need it. If you actualy need something (realy realy) you will get it. Otherwise, just let your body rest en handle it.
Considering the fact that in the USA a lot of people get hooked on painkillers after a simple surgical procedure or a dental treatment, paracetamol is just not a bad idea.
Also: virusses can't be treated with medication. They can only be prevented with vaccination if available.
When you call the huisarts for a visit, they will ask you what is wrong, so that the huisarts is prepared when you actually attend at the visit. It's called efficiency, He or she will watch the computer to check your medical history, the medication that you are using and wat will be the best decision to make. In case you will need to take a new medicin, your prescribtion will be checked at the farmacy for safety reasons.
I think the Americans (and other countries) want a prescription so fast is because they need to go to work otherwise they will have problems with the boss. In the Netherlands you call in stick and stay home untill you are better without any problems with the boss. So why would you take antibiotics/medicine that would not work
My doctor was actually telling me use ibuprofen
Having a general doctor as first line has several advantages. This person knows you well which helps with diagnosis, trust between patient and doctor, she knows who the best specialists are and it is more efficient and cheaper. Most childhood diseases do not need specialized care and the family doctor is welk qualified to deal with those and trained to determine specialized care is necessary. The pediatrician (who is far more expensive) will deal with issues that need this specialized care but also does not have to perform the routine checks. The general doctor has also an overview of your health issues.
Yes exactly. Also I hardly go to my GP so when I do go he knows there’s something wrong. If I’d be in his office every damn time I had a sniffle he wouldn’t know what to do at some point I’m sure.
@@rowanthomas9181 Also most Dutch know that recovering from a severe cold without medication takes 2 weeks and with medication 14 days. We use some paracetamol, nose drops, chickensoup and other home remedies (I don't know the english words for these remedies) to feel more comfortable, but we know that "cold-medications" do not speed up recovery. We also know that antibiotics do not work on a cold. They are only usëful if you get a secondary bacterial infection.
Going to a doctor for a basic cold is a waste of money and time.8 It makes only sense if you get symptoms out of the ordinary like a sudden increase to a high fever, getting really short of breath or no recovery at all after 2 weeks.
They check the computer because there is so much research coming out in the medical field that its humanly impossible to keep up with it. I heard from a doctor (american family physiscian) there is over a 100 medical studies getting published every minute.
Really nice to see these peeps who want someting to supress their illness and go on their normal bussiness. This is not how it works here in The Netherlands. If you are not feelling well, stay at home. If you are in pain, take a paracetamol (which you can buy almost everywhere) and take it easy (get some rest!). If you really think you need help, call your doctor. If you think you're gonna die, dail 112.
Highly knows already, apparently 👍. Highly, perhaps the Dutch took the military way as normal for all ?
What does a Dutch person do when he/she feels ill? He/she waits for it to pass. Best thing to do, right?
5:00 Can the average USA person afford annual checkups? I think the Dutch system is more preventing due to its healthcare. I hear a lot of people in the USA are not going to the doctor until their illness or injury is really preventing them to work/live normally. In the Netherlands people go to the doctor sooner as it is free. Because of this serious issues are diagnosed sooner (on average) and is fixed sooner and by that often cheaper.
It's not totally free, you need healthinsurance, but it's a lot cheaper than the US...
Imagine having to learn all side effects and contra indications from medicine. Of course they look it up. I'm happy when my doctor looks it up and I can look it up with them. Also I'm a home care RN and the amount of times my patients want to call a doctor for banal things is rediculous. Normally I ask them the same questions the doctors assistant asks the when they call and most of the time I can help them with the problem or I can inform them about it.
We do have medicine for the cold. It’s kippensoep.
By the way; Anyone can go to the hospital and see a specialist directly. No problem, just pay yourself in that case. Also pay yourself for the medicine in that case.
Nobody is using Google for this.
They search a medical database containing your personal information with medical history and medicine use and insurance.
Not all insurance companies pay for brand medicine and require you to take non branded products.
Also it contains the latest information on newer medicine or treatments for certain things.
It's very specific for your case. You should consider the computer as a 2nd doctor and 2nd opinion to support your doctor.
You wouldn't want to use a type of medicine that interacts with other stuff you already use.
A doctor doesn't know everything and consulting the database is the best thing they can do.
It also saves you a lot of money because everyone has to pay for the first 350 to 500 euro each year (eigen bijdrage or own contribution).
If they give you medicine that's the most expensive you'll run up that bill quickly leaving you with a high bill to pay to the insurance company at the end of the year.
Also the 10 minute rule is normal.
Each consult by default is ten minutes.
That's the time the insurance company allows the doctor to spend on a patient with normal health issues non life threatening and all that.
That also gives the doctor time for other patients and run a tight schedule.
Our Healthcare system is under huge strain and costs and a doctor doesn't get paid for overtime.
Our system is efficient and cost effective.
We don't bullshit around..
People with the flu are babies.. there is nothing to treat. There is no treatment for the flu.
The only thing that works well is rest and tea .
All the medicine for flu are fake. They don't work and that has been scientifically proven.
Paracetamol is anti infection and painkiller to give some relief. Whatever and whoever claims that there are medicine for the cold or flu is a liar and charlatan.
You need fluids and lot of it. Drink lot of water and green tea and take paracetamol.
All other stuff is a placebo.
We don't like big pharma here.
I understand that in the US and many other countries people expect to get a medicine prescribed. Even an antibiotic for influenza, which doesn't do anything at all because influenza is a virus and not bacterial. Dutch doctors are very reluctant when it comes to prescribing antibiotics because more and more bacteria are becomming resistand and soon we will be running out of antibiotics that will actually be able to kill the most dangerous bacteria that are rampant in hospitals.
the reason why the Dutch doctor starts with paracetamol are the side effect of the drug If paracetamol does not help, you can try an NSAID: for example ibuprofen, naproxen or diclofenac.
These painkillers work well but can cause serious side effects.
Use them as briefly as possible. And always only 1 species at a time.
Discuss it with your doctor first:
if you have a disease of your heart or kidneys
if you are older than 60 years
if you have had an ulcer or stomach bleeding
Doesn't it help enough? Use paracetamol with it.
When going to the doctor here you got to tell the doctor that you want real medication for the symptoms and already tried paracetamol you got to be direct ....
That you have to wait till monday is BS ,after officehours there is emergency service a couple of "huisartsen" are on duty so you can get help 24/7 maybe not your own personal but there is a doctor
Turns out after getting a 10 day Paracetamol treatment, I'm allergic to Paracetamol. Look at the Dutch doctors when you say that, they get all weirded out. But indeed the treatment had always been Paracetamol for everything and it never worked on me so I just thought a doctor was a fake thing all together lol I went into alternative healing at 18 years old. I don't think I would have survived the Netherlands if I hadn't lol
You are right 👍
The holiday one made me laugh. But tbh even though it seems much, they definitely deserve their holidays. GP's are always overworked and working overtime on a daily basis. They also have you covered because you still can make an appointment, just with a different GP.
I'm mostly surprised how they are unsettled by the research the GP does in front of you. It shows they stay up to date, do double checks, check their claims if they are correct etc... It's a good thing! F that performative bs as if they have to know it all! Good for them to focus on helping me, not looking as a know-it-all.
I'd also like to add we have a serious problem in the world with medication specifically antibiotics. In the USA and many other countries they are nearly over the counter drugs for about anything. But here we treat it as a last resort due to the serious issues long term. If you build antibiotics resistance, then you get incredibly ill, *nobody can help you*. It's a serious problem and I reccommend reading into this subject. Antibiotics is also forbidden now in cattle for this exact reason. It is suspected if antibiotics no longer work, the average life expectancy goes down 50 years. There are many people in the Netherlands who never had antibiotics in their lifetime. I had it only once. And after learning this, I'm actually glad they're cautious. Do not, for the love of god, take antibiotics to treat a virus. It's useless.
Here I go adding more going into this video but gosh. Euthanasia is NOT easy to get. (Source; I have a family member that got approval and passed several months ago. It's a lengthy, difficult and tiring process.) It's an exception and you have to prove no positive outcome in life for example a terminal disease that worsens (quickly too, if it goes slow you don't get it either) rapidly and gives an inhumane amount of pain. But there are a lot of people in this country that sincerely struggle to get approval but want to go this route instead of doing it themselves. It's a heartbreaking subject but very real.
in the netherlands the GP is more like a gatekeeper for the real heavy diseases. they know the body most likely heals itself. the inflamatories of the body should take at least 5 days on its own, so if it just started just take paracetemol to numb the pain and deal with it until your body heals it self, you dont want to have a lot of ibuprofane because that is anti inflamatory. but the body needs that inflamatory to heal itself (there is a reason it happens) it only becomes a problem if you still have the symptomes after a week. and most of the time they are then quick to act and get you a specialist within a couple of days, or even the same day.
so the GP is there for the little things the check ups and to be some kind of gatekeeper for the specialist
edit: and they are very carefull with antibiotics and opiates because that shit isn't good for you in the long run. so they only use it if they don't have any other choice. but if you get antibiotics or even opiates you will get to pick it up within an hour or 2 of leaving the GP, cause they will send to your farmacist that you are going to pick it up and it is all 'free'
Not everything is sunshine and happiness here, i have lung issues because i had Covid in Februari, since the end of August i have been waiting to get tested by the lung doctor.
Thank you. Your honesty is a breath of fresh air.
there is a huge problem with antibiotics. people are slowly becoming imune to it...
the reason is because in a lot of countries doctors will hand out antibiotics very easily, when it's not necessary.
it's much much better to just let your own body fight any infection and only give the antibiotics in cases where the body needs help
React to "Kud", very funny Dutch sketches. As far as I know, every video has English subtitles. There are also some compilations of videos.
I'm not sick for 19 year because the best medicine is not to stress and take the good food against sickniss.
6 weeks ago there is a forklift! Drove over my right foot. 4x broken, and €375. Because I didn't go to the House doctor first. En dat is niet wat de ER zei! 112! Kom zelf maar hier heen. I, don't care! €375,- . And the rest is PAID!!!! If, I fist was at the House Doctor. I, had €375,- still in my pocit.
That € 375 must have been your "own risk" amount, because it's normal to go to the ER and not to the housedoctor first when you break something.
sorry ..but i call BS .. ( sorry..not sorry )
my Dutch husband is at home right now (on pain meds prescibed by his docter), waiting to see if his body can recover from a hernia or if he needs to be operated if his body can't do it by himself.
A hernia patient myself, nobody will be operated on anymore. A hernia has to be treated with rest and exercises. In case of a hernia, painkillers are prescribed by the GP. When things are really bad you are referred to a specialist. My advice go to a physiotherapist, he/she can help you.
Why is everyone surprised that doctors using Google? 30 years ago they would take a book. Or do you expect doctors to know all by hart?
You can make fun of it, but overhere we are believing that is is not good to take for every simple cold to take penicilline. Your body is resistent when you really need it.
As if the huisarts googles! 😅 He/ she looksc trough al list of medicines!
I'm really not buying the story that a gynaecologist was eating a sandwich during the examination. That's absolutely prohibited.
By the way: they all look healthy in the video. So they all survived their life threatening illness with just paracetamol :)
It’s dokter not doctor. It’s doctor when you have a PhD. ( Doctor (abbreviation: Dr.) is the highest academic degree or title a person can acquire at a university in most countries. Obtaining this degree is the promotion and is based on scientific qualifications, of which the publishing of a dissertation is usually the most important.)
Yes in Dutch, but this is in English
My doctor is not on google,and we have a practice of 7 doctors so if one has vacation a nother one is there,And yes he comes to get you himself,i dont know that kind of doctor they have I never get paracetamol.maybe they just have the cold,and if you break your arm you dont get painkillers here,never.and if you have a cold why do you go to the docter come on.sick it out
The mother! from a friend of mine. Is a doctor!! Not mine. But easy. Even ? Is it here, more affordable.
I got too! Ordinary! Paracatamol and Ibrof.
There IS no cure for the common cold…
Common cold and flu are viral infections. There is nothing that really works in those cases so the only thing one can do is ease the 'pain' with some paracetamol which is the least harmful painkiller for most people. Actually there are very few real medicines that do anything more than lessen the symptoms. For instance statins don't prevent a heart attack or make you live a day longer and metformin lowers your blood sugar but does not heal your diabetes and does nothing for your NAFLD. Antibiotics should only be given when all else fails as whole countries are made resistent to them nowadays so when you really need them nothing works anymore and you die. Besides that: they also kill your gut bacteria which can cause metabolic illnesses.
It's a good practice to try let the body do its own healing and leave the pills for serious cases. I know, that is bad for big Pharma shareholdervalue...
Eat real food and not the ultra processed crap from the food industry. Read more? "lies my doctor told me" by Ken D Berry MD etc might be a good start.
is this the treament for only foreingners ?
I sometimes watch shows with vpn on American channels and find the commercials so weird. Specially those for anti hiv medicine.🤯 It doesn't sound healthy to use those medicine if you don't really having a chance of getting hiv. That sounds like a medicine to prescribe someone with a partner with hiv so you have a significant risk for a disease. 🤨
Re Hiv read Kennedy's book on 'dr.' Fauci. You'll be surprised or shocked what big pharma is all about.
Do you now that ibibrufan can gif you a stumicblide its not a good painstiller ,para etamol is the painkiller with now back side problems
If a come they have 10 min to treat you and also to write what you have, and if i got a i'm sik and the doctor comes to get you, thanks
they give you 800mg ibuprofen? you ve got to have lost a limb for that NL
Some people call the GP for every itch they have. And yes, doctors in the Netherlands are on vacation 364 days a year.
Once had an appointment for surgery delayed by over 18 months because one after the other specialist required for that surgery took leave for vacation. Had to become a literal emergency before they did anything.
Doctors either do not care or they do not know the difference between patience and patients. Disease does not wait.
My dude this made me cringe a bit because some of this isnt true at all.
1 you do not tell the doctor what you want prescribed. This is not The US.
2 you dont make double appointments, you just stay untill your done? This is evident in the waiting room that is sometimes very packed because everyone got scheduled in the same hour, but some appointments take longer than others.
3 They can and will absolutely see you if you have an emergency that doesnt require a hospital visit, if it does. Go to the hospital👀
4 you get paracetamol because its over the counter, works on most people (they gave me this for migraines, it didnt work and then i got switched to 600mg ibuprofen which do work) its cheap and they dont want you to get addicted to heavy painkillers, just tough it out.
Euthanasia efficient??? Get yourself educated!! It's a very serious topic here in the Netherlands. As for medicine, for most people a good rest and taking care of yourselves is sufficient to heal. If yoy are really ill ....believe me you will know your body will lèt you know and then you will receive the best medical care you can think of. Professional and for free. Besides your "eigen bijdrage". I would not go for medical care to another country. Here in the Netherlands health care is one of the best. Ones you know the system you'll understand. And no a doctor doesn't google when you sitting there. Ask them what they actually do!
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What you guys don't seem to understand is that every person has access to the huisarts and hospitals. Even foreigners. Not every american is insured and 60 million are addicted to heavy painkillers. You are SO ignorant 😢