@@karlottyboth of these comments are me. And probably most other people who watched. Like yeah, she’s been fun and has chemistry with the coven, and up until this episode, sure, she been great. Mostly just fun and great musical numbers. But in the back of all of our minds, we were all like “why did they REALLY hire Patti Lupone?”, and then this is the episode we all collectively went “Oh. THAT’S why.”
I saw a reddit comment (which I didn't verify, so take it with a grain of salt) that they didn't think Lupone would go for it, but someone who knew her said she totally would. So they set her down on a Zoom call and told her, "So you'd be playing a centuries-old Sicilian witch." To which she responded, "I *am* a centuries-old Sicilian witch."
you are my sister in the craft. i never expected lillia and jen to get so close, but they pulled it off just so that jens no could hit us as we understood what lillia was about to do.
Oh my god I still cry every damn time I hear Patti say "I loved being a witch". I'm still in denial though. In my head, the swords falling, and the swords that fell when Teen and Agatha were pulling cards, created the perfect empty space to where Lillia fell perfectly between the swords.
When she switched and said 'I am the Traveler' I broke because I knew she was going to die. In paganism/witchcraft/wicca it is common to say 'Hail the Traveler' when someone has died. This was a truly beautiful episode. I don't think I've ever seen a show take witchcraft lore so seriously and use it so authentically. They really did their homework and I appreciate that. It actually feels like some small amount of representation.
This is THE line for me! That and the reply to her saying she will fall, “”Yes! What will you do with the time you have left?” I mean, isn’t that the question for us all?
I’ve seen a lot of people across multiple videos get confused when William/Billy says that Wanda isn’t his mom, he has a mom. You have to remember what’s going on in this kid’s head at the moment. He still doesn’t remember anything before the accident, and he doesn’t remember anything about being Billy. Wanda’s an abstract concept to him at the moment. He spent the last three years with the mother and father who loved and cared for him. Of course he wouldn’t consider Wanda as his ‘mom’.
I think it's just not explained well what his deal is. I keep flipflopping between him being just Billy or being Billy pretending to be William or being both Billy and William, having memories or not having memories. He knows some information, but seems to lack others and apparently has different feelings about those others. It's just not exactly clear what's going on in his head nor do I feel it's portrayed smoothly. Plus, if he feels so strongly about Tommy, then why wouldn't he about Wanda or Vision?
This episode deserves all the awards. Perfect writing, acting, costume design, set design, editing…every nanosecond of it was exquisite. If they stick the landing, this will be one of Marvel’s best shows.
When I watched the episode last night before watching it, I saw the runtime and got really pissed off because I hate short episodes but damn they use that short runtime perfectly
I think my favorite detail was when she flipped the tower and as the physical tower flipped, there was a lot of relevant imagery: The Death card also means a new begging, and the episode ends with the beginning of her first lesson. As the room flipped, the hour glass shifted back to its original position, creating a loop, as the several ones we see this episode. And my favorite, as the tower flips, there’s a close-up of a torch flipping upside down. And am upside down torch is historically a symbol of death common in graveyards, due to if you flip a torch upside down, the flame goes out. Brilliant everything just brilliant.
Man everything about Lilia was confusing even most of the way through the episode......but then everything weaved together so seamlessly it was beautiful right to the end.........man I have so much more sympathy for her character now knowing how tortured her life was.
@@heimsuchen Well, no, it's not simultaneous. She still experiences everything linearly -- for instance, she doesn't know she told Jennifer about Billy or the trial until it happens to her -- it's just that the line of her consciousness bounces around compared to the line of her body's timeline. Think of it like logarithmic data plotted on a graph: if the y-axis is logarithmic, you might see a straight line. But change the axis to be linear, and now the same data forms a curve instead. From the perspective of her body, her mind is non-linear, but from its own perspective, it's linear.
Adam peeking over to see how Jay was doing when Patti's fate was being sealed (knowing what a big fan he is and how upset he was gonna get) was just too sweet! By far some of the best television I have ever seen in my 46 years of breathing.
This was obviously a very sad end for Lilia but also kind of heartwarming? Her and Jen ended up super close than they were at the beginning and Lilia finally found her coven/Family. Also her whole life she lived with the regret of not being able to save her old coven from the fever despite seeing their death, but this time she saved this new coven of her's
I'm not convinced it was her end. 1. She foresaw her destination as Death, but now we know Death is a person, the prediction's meaning is ambiguous. 2. When she was doing the reading for Wiccan, several swords fell, and Agatha had to save her from a sword that fell directly in the reader's spot. This means that there would be spots on that ceiling with no swords. 3. She tells Agatha "when she calls you a coward, hit the deck!". This only makes sense if she's seen the future in one of her gaps. But THAT would only happen if she's around in the future for her past self to have briefly "jumped" into. Which means that Lilia has to be around at least one more time to experience a "gap", when "she" (presumably Rio) calls Agatha a coward. Even if Lilia really is dead, my guess is that Rio is gonna use Lilia and Alice's corpses as puppets and at the moment of truth, Past Lilia is gonna jump into her future corpse and regain control in a way that turns the tide. In fact, this might even be the traumatic "gap" she had as a child which showed her her own death - as a child, she literally "jumped" into her own corpse. Kinda like Dr Strange?
@@BravoDox for your second point ...I'm pretty sure they show the swords resetting after they drop. So it's still a ceiling FULL of swords even after a bunch drop.
@@AnxietyRatLilia is in a time loop. Her end is her beginning. In Hinduism & Buddhism, all death yields a birth someplace else for nothing is truly lost.
When Billy says Wanda is not his mom, keep in mind that he doesn't remember his life before entering William Kaplan's body. He only knows what Ralph Bohner told him. So he considered Mrs. Kaplan his mom.
He was lucky enough to have loving parents to accept him both here and in the comics. Tommy didn't though. So Tommy ponders I must've been nice to belong to them.
@@justbeyondmythoughts He doesn't remember his brother. He remembers waking up while shouting "Tommy", and he can feel a connection to someone (who he presumes is Tommy). We can also speculate that he remembers feeling the meaning "brother" while shouting Tommy, or that he also remembers the two "good nights" we hear just before he enters his new body, but neither have been confirmed by the show. He also should have been able to pick up on the detail that the Sigil censored him telling Agatha both his names (in retrospect, once he learns about it), which would confirm to him that his guess of him being Billy is true (assuming the Sigil wouldn't censor him giving a false name). Which then leads to him not being sure if he's either or both.
Thank you, Adam, for acknowledging specifically how difficult the writing must have been for the series to make sure all those gaps/jumps lined up correctly. When writing fiction, keeping track of just a single, linear timeline is hard enough. I can't imagine the nightmare they went through to make this work 😅
This episode was extremely well made and masterfully executed. Patti LuPone should get all the awards just for this episode because HOLY SHIT, that was awesome! ❤ If she doesn't, WE RIOT! I love that we get to see all of Lilia's "random lines" from earlier episodes edited together so beautifully from her perspective. All of the Tarot cards + the characters shown as the Tarot cards was beautiful done too. 😍 Death means rebirth as well, so when we see Lilia choosing to fall and then we see her as a young lady at the beginning of her journey she seemed so much more determined and happy because she wasn't afraid of her power anymore and her life was put together without her jumping around on her own timeline. I started to tear up and cry when Lilia chose to stay behing to deal with the Salem Seven and while doing so she saved her new coven which she wasn't able to do to her original coven. Patti LuPone is an ICON and a QUEEN (of Cups). Lilia will be missed. 😭💔 The show made me care about these characters in such a short time. (A thing "The Acolyte" failed to do.) Damn it Marvel, you make me love all of these new characters and then kill them off so fast. The audacity! 🥺 My mind is blown away by this excellent piece of TV. 🤯😍
The attention to detail to create this episode was amazing. Even down to the look on Lilila’s face the first time we see her fall to the second time we see her fall. The first time she looks really scared. After figuring out her purpose and accepting her gift, the look on her face changes to contentment and peace.
So Thanos did EVERYTHING, ALL OF IT... For Aubrey Plaza. I swear if she runs into Deadpool, I hope he does a joke like "I'm more of a Lively kinda guy!"
The Tarot spread also had other clues-- 7 of swords; and the Salem 7 all die by the sword. I didn't get that 'til the second time I watched it. And Agatha threw down the Hanged or Hanging Man-- a willing sacrifice. Oh, Lilia. Patti Lupone was brilliant, and it hurt but I couldn't cry. It all seemed so inevitable, the way they wrote it. But I need to think she's back in time, in late 1500's Sicily, on her second go-through, this time with less fear. More hope. Thanks for reacting to this one, guys.
I went back to watch, just to be sure; I'm pretty sure all seven were in the tower, but you're not wrong, we saw 5 bodies hit the swords. Which doesn't mean the other two didn't do so a second or two later, but doesn’t mean they did, either. Guess we'll see next week!
@@kikimariposa while it may be a posibility and im open to be surprised, remember that two (technically 3) of the Salem Seven's animal forms are flying animals, a Crow and an Owl (and the "third" being the cicadas), so those 2 could be alive and appear in the last episodes
@@kikimariposa that made me go back and look, awesome catch: seven of swords tarot card (theft, loss, deceit) shows a thief stealing five swords and two remaining behind! So maybe two are still at large. Whoever wrote this definitely did their tarot homework.
"I loved being a witch." How much of that line is Lilia saying goodbye to her coven, and how much is Patti saying goodbye to an amazing role? We may have lost Lilia, but by the Goddess, she went out like the bad ass witch she was. She protected her coven, took out the opposition& met her end with grace& serenity. May we all be half the witch Lilia was.
Jac did a masterful job of showrunning here, this is what happens when you have an excellent writer being a strong showrunner with a clear, ahem, Vision.
Jay, I think you'll appreciate this. The position that Patti LuPone's arms are in when she's falling is the same position they are in at the end of Don't Cry For Me, Argentina in Avita.
Thank you for referencing the TNG finale which is a masterclass in time displaced storytelling. It along with Lost's "The Constant" aka Desmond's looking for Penny, have stiff competition for the gold medal. And this one is not a self contained episode, but incorporating the entire season is just chef's kiss
This is the kind of shit they did in Wandavision and Loki that made them top-tier shows. The crafting of those puzzle pieces together for the final 5 minutes, the impact of Lilia's final act bringing her peace like she's never known, Patti's performance. Just incredible ❤
I don’t think we’re done with the Salem 7, I only counted 5 bodies hit the floor. Er, ceiling… That aside, I had goosebumps the whole second half of this episode. Patti Lupone knocked it out of the park and Aubrey Plaza was MADE to play Death!
Someone made a comment after watching a few of the press junket things, where the entire coven, Joe Locke included, were spilling the tea about their chat group (it's called Coven... something?) anyway, point is that they all became incredibly close friends, more even than normal "show families", and still keep in almost daily touch with each other. She pointed out that Joe Locke, already frighteningly talented, had spent MONTHS of almost non-stop time watching, learning from, and getting advice and hints from: The Mistress of Comedy Movies The Queen of the TV Sitcom The Priestess of Comedians The Knight of "Find-a-show-she-HASN'T-been-in" The Lurker in the Quirky and Darkest Roles and The Goddess of Musical Theatre herself. I predict his name appearing across a LOT of casting directors' desks...
I think this episode was absolute perfection because the showrunner also directed this episode. It was like she was taking it all and putting it into her hands so that no one touches what she wants to do with this episode. And it turned out PERFECT.
You guys GET IT. this episode is a masterclass in writing and acting in a full season of stellar writing and acting. So great to be back on this caliber in the MCU 🤟
To me, "I loved being a witch" has the same emotional weight as "what is grief if not love persevering?". Hands down the best writing on ANY Marvel show. Hell, this episode and the buildup behind it has some of the best writing in the entire MCU. RIP, Lilia, witch queen of the Romani.
Updated theory: Every witch in the coven has cheated death somehow and the road is meant to bring them down death - Agatha by stealing people’s life energy, Lilia by sending tragedies and running away from them, Alice through her mom’s protection spell and Jen by surviving centuries despite having her power confiscated. At the end of the road they’ll all die one way or another. Also a theory - the road is a hex by Billie: - Agatha didn’t recognize it though she’s been there before - the Salem 7 and rio entered it even though they weren’t in the coven - it’s under west view (the failed subway. System is there - all the references are billie’s pop culture world, like in Wanda vision where everything referenced sitcoms - Billie has been the catalyst for every event there - everything Billie guesses comes true (Jen’s trial where he assumes there’s a sous vide, this trial where he wishes for lillia and she appears. The last trial will be him trusting Agatha to take some of his power so the hex dissolved without killing him
I can totally see this and it would actually explain so much of Agatha. Agatha, despite not having her powers, was shown to be a very confident and strategic character in WandaVision, the mad lady tried to 1v1 the Scarlet Witch, knowing full well how powerful she is! Now some of the time she's seemingly lost and has little idea of what is going on, I can totally see this as her putting on an act because she knows this isn't the Witches Road proper. Though this would also even better explain Agatha's predicament. She's aware she's in another Scarlet Witch-tier threat/hex, but she's without her magic at all this time? She should be scared, lul.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you did the calculation with only 5 cards when they need to align 7 (Queen of Cups, Three of Pentacles, Knight of Wands, High Priestess, Three of Swords, Tower Reversed and Death). It's actually much, MUCH more than that ! Assuming that each card can be upright or reversed and that the deck is composed of 78 cards (like in the Tarot de Marseille) we have to do : (78×2)×(77×2) ×(76×2)×(75×2)×(74×2)×(73×2)×(72×2) Which is equal to 1.7 millions of billions of combinations. If Agatha places one card per second it would take her more than 378 millions years to try them all out 💀
@@piedan_ And that assumes she's laying them down in a sorted order. If she's shuffling and drawing it takes even longer, as the probability to lay down a fresh combination goes down from 100% for the first try to 1-in-1.7e15. Not doing the math right now, but I can imagine how many tries it takes to just get the last missing combination with a 95% chance... Which, btw, also the the overall number of tries to get the right combination, as she doesn't need to lay all of them, just the right one.
This episode really hammered down the themes of this show. You can't run from yourself and must face the inevitable and if you try not to, bad things will happen. Great writing, this was so well acted. This episode deserves attention!
i saw a comment on twitter that's my headcannon now that Lilia after the fall goes back to being a child to live the gaps she said she skipped back with her original coven to die with them
I was so emotional when she was saying her goodbyes to them, and then got so caught up in her savagely ending the 7, that when the needle dropped with that credits song, I gasped a sob and broke into tears.
I've been saying since episode 4 of Daredevil S2 (Punisher's cemetery monologue) that these shows get overlooked for awards they probably deserve simply because they're comic book shows. Hopefully this amazing episode will break through that stigma, that glass ceiling, and allow incredible achievements to be properly recognized regardless of the medium they occupy.
I understand where Billy is coming from...Rebecca Kaplain birthed William Kaplain and raised "the body" for 13 years and was his mother for 3 after before he felt comfortable enough to say he was Billy Maximoff. So yeah...he has a "mother" and he's referring to Rebecca. Let's not erase Rebecca
She pretty much commands any stage that she is on. The other actors are professionals, but they might have felt that they were also working with a legend.
What a brilliant episode with everything paying off. This rivals Doctor Who, that TNG episode and Arrival (watch that if you haven't, it's so good). Love how they framed all the characters as the tarrot cards, and we've seen it all throughout the show. I even remember noticing Jen doing that pose but then it made sense right away, as she was doing a presentation. Also Reverse Gravity is a dope spell.
Adam's deep appreciation of this episode in real time is everything I wanted. This was a masterclass in writing, directing, cinematography, music, and acting. And Patti LuPone DELIVERED. 🩵
Theory: Billy’s “reunion” is going to be with William and not Tommy. Their souls are going to merge and he’ll get the full memories of both Billy and William, embracing that he is both Kaplan and Maximoff in full. That’s “what’s missing” that the Road is going to give him.
Subtle touch of adding Quicksilver’s song from X-Men Days of Future past at the end of the episode. I agree its the best episode of Marvel TV, for me is right there with Moonknight’s episode in which Oscar Isaac reveal how his split personality happened. Give Patty all of the emmys!
To set an episode like this up! it takes so much work and we have to acknowledge that! we can't just say this episode was well written, it is imperative that the entire show is well written to pull this off!
One of the great screen deaths Then think how she had to thread her performance through several episodes so that the flashbacks would pay off Then there is the writing… This is how you do TV - brilliant
This episode had be glued to the screen, and in the end I was in tears. Some of the best writing I’ve seen from Marvel, some of the best writing I’ve seen on tv in a very long time.
Completely caught by surprise with this show. Because this was announced alongside Secret Invasion, Thor 4, and Quantumania I had zero hope that this show would be good at all given how off the mark they we're for a couple years there. This is fantastic! And with the theme changes every episode, it does feel like a true continuation of WandaVision rather than a one off series!
This episode was amazing! This was on par to any of the River Song Doctor Who episodes, with all the intense writing, the planning, being out of sequence👏🏽Cristin Milioti is gonna have some competition for that Emmy win! Patti Lupone, ladies and gents!🤩
Jac Schaeffer needs to be given the keys to the spooky/magic corner of Marvel and let her oversee all those projects. If Agatha makes it out of this I’d love to see her take the Doctor Strange spot in the Midnight Sons. Hell, maybe she can even be the one to crack the seemingly impossible task of writing a movie where a vampire hunter kills a bunch of vampires.
A month ago: why did they hire somebody as brilliant as Patti Lupone for this small role?
Today: oh. Right. That's why.
I honestly thought she was just there to amp the musical parts. 😅😅😅
@@karlottyboth of these comments are me. And probably most other people who watched. Like yeah, she’s been fun and has chemistry with the coven, and up until this episode, sure, she been great. Mostly just fun and great musical numbers. But in the back of all of our minds, we were all like “why did they REALLY hire Patti Lupone?”, and then this is the episode we all collectively went “Oh. THAT’S why.”
I saw a reddit comment (which I didn't verify, so take it with a grain of salt) that they didn't think Lupone would go for it, but someone who knew her said she totally would. So they set her down on a Zoom call and told her, "So you'd be playing a centuries-old Sicilian witch." To which she responded, "I *am* a centuries-old Sicilian witch."
DOWN DOWN DOWN THE ROAD 😭
@@pegusus12346 I wish to believe this is true because it's brilliant
Give Patti an Emmy. Now.
Yes! She needs to have an EGOT status
well yes
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I agree. The writers did not waste her talent and she delivered.
@@ParadoxFreakShe's a legend, but she doesn't really do film work for an Oscar.
"I loved being a witch"
That line broke me
I started sobbing before the episode was even over
Same😢
you are my sister in the craft. i never expected lillia and jen to get so close, but they pulled it off just so that jens no could hit us as we understood what lillia was about to do.
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Oh my god I still cry every damn time I hear Patti say "I loved being a witch". I'm still in denial though. In my head, the swords falling, and the swords that fell when Teen and Agatha were pulling cards, created the perfect empty space to where Lillia fell perfectly between the swords.
@@rlchill I like that idea.
And THAT is why you want Patti friggin Lupone in your show!!!
When she switched and said 'I am the Traveler' I broke because I knew she was going to die. In paganism/witchcraft/wicca it is common to say 'Hail the Traveler' when someone has died. This was a truly beautiful episode. I don't think I've ever seen a show take witchcraft lore so seriously and use it so authentically. They really did their homework and I appreciate that. It actually feels like some small amount of representation.
Agree 100%. The details that come directly from actual magick practice is refreshing to see for those of us who know.
For what is grief but love persevering…
I think I want hail the traveler on my gravestone
@@reeferman42078 I love that idea.
This is THE line for me! That and the reply to her saying she will fall, “”Yes! What will you do with the time you have left?” I mean, isn’t that the question for us all?
I’ve seen a lot of people across multiple videos get confused when William/Billy says that Wanda isn’t his mom, he has a mom. You have to remember what’s going on in this kid’s head at the moment. He still doesn’t remember anything before the accident, and he doesn’t remember anything about being Billy. Wanda’s an abstract concept to him at the moment. He spent the last three years with the mother and father who loved and cared for him. Of course he wouldn’t consider Wanda as his ‘mom’.
My thoughts exactly
"Am i william or am i Billy"..
He is confused..
Yet he’s so sure that Tommy is his brother?
I think it's just not explained well what his deal is. I keep flipflopping between him being just Billy or being Billy pretending to be William or being both Billy and William, having memories or not having memories. He knows some information, but seems to lack others and apparently has different feelings about those others. It's just not exactly clear what's going on in his head nor do I feel it's portrayed smoothly. Plus, if he feels so strongly about Tommy, then why wouldn't he about Wanda or Vision?
Basically his trying to recover what he lost and that's why he need The Road.
This episode deserves all the awards. Perfect writing, acting, costume design, set design, editing…every nanosecond of it was exquisite. If they stick the landing, this will be one of Marvel’s best shows.
When I watched the episode last night before watching it, I saw the runtime and got really pissed off because I hate short episodes but damn they use that short runtime perfectly
I read a fan analysis on why each one portrayed the witch she portrayed and it was just cherries on top of cherries on top of the perfect cake.
Oh hell - even if they stumble on the landing… what a performance
This episode alone should be required viewing at Marvel - good product sells!
@@simonwookey7598 it's like one of the writers had this idea in the back pocket and finally got a project to let it loose
This episode gets 1/1 standing ovation.
I did immediately rewatch it once I finished it so I can confirm this is true
@@execuwutie_YT I'm actually rewatching the show to see if those tarot poses were there the whole time😅
@@adam1third not all of it but alice is the only that is accurate to this episode!
wow you can tell Adam just got that tee out of the plastic, it still has the folds in it...wow
Yesss
I think my favorite detail was when she flipped the tower and as the physical tower flipped, there was a lot of relevant imagery:
The Death card also means a new begging, and the episode ends with the beginning of her first lesson.
As the room flipped, the hour glass shifted back to its original position, creating a loop, as the several ones we see this episode.
And my favorite, as the tower flips, there’s a close-up of a torch flipping upside down. And am upside down torch is historically a symbol of death common in graveyards, due to if you flip a torch upside down, the flame goes out.
Brilliant everything just brilliant.
8:43 The subway was in reference to episode 3 when Sharon Davis says all she expected to find was, " remnants of their failed public transit system."
thank you for pointing this out.
Who is Sharon?
@@fotosporkilometros wicked
Man everything about Lilia was confusing even most of the way through the episode......but then everything weaved together so seamlessly it was beautiful right to the end.........man I have so much more sympathy for her character now knowing how tortured her life was.
Its like permanent dementia but for the future and the past
@@lightdarksoul2097 I saw it more like her life's moments on shuffle
We fill the gaps along with her
@@lightdarksoul2097 i think more like past, present, and future exist simultaneously for her.
@@heimsuchen Well, no, it's not simultaneous. She still experiences everything linearly -- for instance, she doesn't know she told Jennifer about Billy or the trial until it happens to her -- it's just that the line of her consciousness bounces around compared to the line of her body's timeline. Think of it like logarithmic data plotted on a graph: if the y-axis is logarithmic, you might see a straight line. But change the axis to be linear, and now the same data forms a curve instead. From the perspective of her body, her mind is non-linear, but from its own perspective, it's linear.
This was the first time i've cried watching a Marvel show since WandaVision. Phenomenal
Jac Schaeffer knows what she is doing!!!
Moon Knight had its moments, but yeah, this was the jewel on the crown that is this entire show.
same
The 'i loved being a witch' broke me. Ugly crying and everything. I wasn't ready.
Same.
Adam peeking over to see how Jay was doing when Patti's fate was being sealed (knowing what a big fan he is and how upset he was gonna get) was just too sweet! By far some of the best television I have ever seen in my 46 years of breathing.
And the counter at the end! How long it took before Jay said anything!
This was obviously a very sad end for Lilia but also kind of heartwarming? Her and Jen ended up super close than they were at the beginning and Lilia finally found her coven/Family. Also her whole life she lived with the regret of not being able to save her old coven from the fever despite seeing their death, but this time she saved this new coven of her's
I'm not convinced it was her end.
1. She foresaw her destination as Death, but now we know Death is a person, the prediction's meaning is ambiguous.
2. When she was doing the reading for Wiccan, several swords fell, and Agatha had to save her from a sword that fell directly in the reader's spot. This means that there would be spots on that ceiling with no swords.
3. She tells Agatha "when she calls you a coward, hit the deck!". This only makes sense if she's seen the future in one of her gaps. But THAT would only happen if she's around in the future for her past self to have briefly "jumped" into. Which means that Lilia has to be around at least one more time to experience a "gap", when "she" (presumably Rio) calls Agatha a coward.
Even if Lilia really is dead, my guess is that Rio is gonna use Lilia and Alice's corpses as puppets and at the moment of truth, Past Lilia is gonna jump into her future corpse and regain control in a way that turns the tide. In fact, this might even be the traumatic "gap" she had as a child which showed her her own death - as a child, she literally "jumped" into her own corpse. Kinda like Dr Strange?
@BravoDox YOUR THIRD POINT, THO! THANK YOU!
Critical thinking and media literacy AT THEIR FINEST! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@BravoDox for your second point ...I'm pretty sure they show the swords resetting after they drop. So it's still a ceiling FULL of swords even after a bunch drop.
@@AnxietyRatLilia is in a time loop. Her end is her beginning. In Hinduism & Buddhism, all death yields a birth someplace else for nothing is truly lost.
When Billy says Wanda is not his mom, keep in mind that he doesn't remember his life before entering William Kaplan's body. He only knows what Ralph Bohner told him. So he considered Mrs. Kaplan his mom.
Also to be fair, the Kaplan's raised him for three years compared to like, a week for Wanda
I didn’t know why people don’t get that. That’s literally obvious
He was lucky enough to have loving parents to accept him both here and in the comics. Tommy didn't though. So Tommy ponders I must've been nice to belong to them.
@@nataliabusko1432it makes no sense when he’s supposedly remembers who brother. Like does he remember or does he not
@@justbeyondmythoughts He doesn't remember his brother. He remembers waking up while shouting "Tommy", and he can feel a connection to someone (who he presumes is Tommy). We can also speculate that he remembers feeling the meaning "brother" while shouting Tommy, or that he also remembers the two "good nights" we hear just before he enters his new body, but neither have been confirmed by the show.
He also should have been able to pick up on the detail that the Sigil censored him telling Agatha both his names (in retrospect, once he learns about it), which would confirm to him that his guess of him being Billy is true (assuming the Sigil wouldn't censor him giving a false name). Which then leads to him not being sure if he's either or both.
Absolutely my favourite episode of this show. She doesn’t only face the seven at the end but death herself. Thanks for getting this out for us!’n
Only 5 of them were there....2 are left fyi
This episode genuinely puts this show into the top 3 of Disney Marvel shows for me with Loki and Wandavision.
Thank you, Adam, for acknowledging specifically how difficult the writing must have been for the series to make sure all those gaps/jumps lined up correctly. When writing fiction, keeping track of just a single, linear timeline is hard enough. I can't imagine the nightmare they went through to make this work 😅
Lilia's death got me in tears. This was the best episode yet.
This episode was extremely well made and masterfully executed. Patti LuPone should get all the awards just for this episode because HOLY SHIT, that was awesome! ❤ If she doesn't, WE RIOT!
I love that we get to see all of Lilia's "random lines" from earlier episodes edited together so beautifully from her perspective. All of the Tarot cards + the characters shown as the Tarot cards was beautiful done too. 😍
Death means rebirth as well, so when we see Lilia choosing to fall and then we see her as a young lady at the beginning of her journey she seemed so much more determined and happy because she wasn't afraid of her power anymore and her life was put together without her jumping around on her own timeline.
I started to tear up and cry when Lilia chose to stay behing to deal with the Salem Seven and while doing so she saved her new coven which she wasn't able to do to her original coven. Patti LuPone is an ICON and a QUEEN (of Cups). Lilia will be missed. 😭💔
The show made me care about these characters in such a short time. (A thing "The Acolyte" failed to do.)
Damn it Marvel, you make me love all of these new characters and then kill them off so fast. The audacity! 🥺
My mind is blown away by this excellent piece of TV. 🤯😍
Jac and Patti created something absolutely magical this episode!!
It's beautiful in so many ways. And so meaningful. She's a forgotten woman because she forgot herself. And the acting. Wow.
The attention to detail to create this episode was amazing. Even down to the look on Lilila’s face the first time we see her fall to the second time we see her fall.
The first time she looks really scared. After figuring out her purpose and accepting her gift, the look on her face changes to contentment and peace.
And streches out her arms like in an embrace of her fate and of Death. Masterfully done!
“Like I just did.” Patti put so much power behind that line
Couldn't get to this review fast enough. "The Tower... UPRIGHT." The steel. The command. Patti Goddamn LuPone! Standing ovation. 👏 You'll be ok, Jay.
So Thanos did EVERYTHING, ALL OF IT...
For Aubrey Plaza.
I swear if she runs into Deadpool, I hope he does a joke like "I'm more of a Lively kinda guy!"
Patti put on a masterclass, what an episode 🙌🏾🔥
11:07 "Usually, something terrible happens. Destruction. Sudden upheaval." "The 11:00 number." JAY, I CAN'T EVEN 😂🤣👏🏻
The Tarot spread also had other clues-- 7 of swords; and the Salem 7 all die by the sword. I didn't get that 'til the second time I watched it. And Agatha threw down the Hanged or Hanging Man-- a willing sacrifice. Oh, Lilia.
Patti Lupone was brilliant, and it hurt but I couldn't cry. It all seemed so inevitable, the way they wrote it. But I need to think she's back in time, in late 1500's Sicily, on her second go-through, this time with less fear. More hope. Thanks for reacting to this one, guys.
only 5 of them died
I went back to watch, just to be sure; I'm pretty sure all seven were in the tower, but you're not wrong, we saw 5 bodies hit the swords. Which doesn't mean the other two didn't do so a second or two later, but doesn’t mean they did, either. Guess we'll see next week!
@@kikimariposa while it may be a posibility and im open to be surprised, remember that two (technically 3) of the Salem Seven's animal forms are flying animals, a Crow and an Owl (and the "third" being the cicadas), so those 2 could be alive and appear in the last episodes
@@kikimariposa that made me go back and look, awesome catch: seven of swords tarot card (theft, loss, deceit) shows a thief stealing five swords and two remaining behind! So maybe two are still at large.
Whoever wrote this definitely did their tarot homework.
"I loved being a witch." How much of that line is Lilia saying goodbye to her coven, and how much is Patti saying goodbye to an amazing role?
We may have lost Lilia, but by the Goddess, she went out like the bad ass witch she was. She protected her coven, took out the opposition& met her end with grace& serenity.
May we all be half the witch Lilia was.
Jac did a masterful job of showrunning here, this is what happens when you have an excellent writer being a strong showrunner with a clear, ahem, Vision.
I see what you did there, because I...Have ! vision
Jay, I think you'll appreciate this. The position that Patti LuPone's arms are in when she's falling is the same position they are in at the end of Don't Cry For Me, Argentina in Avita.
Thank you for referencing the TNG finale which is a masterclass in time displaced storytelling. It along with Lost's "The Constant" aka Desmond's looking for Penny, have stiff competition for the gold medal. And this one is not a self contained episode, but incorporating the entire season is just chef's kiss
This was the best episode of the show so far. Like Set Up and Pay Off was on point.
Give Patti Lupone all the flowers.
Oh as soon as I finished the episode you’re one of the first reactors I thought about because I just KNOW yall are gonna feel all the emotions
Lilia: I think I'll try defying gravity...
This is literally one of the best episodes of Marvel Television ever. Absolute masterpiece.
This is the kind of shit they did in Wandavision and Loki that made them top-tier shows. The crafting of those puzzle pieces together for the final 5 minutes, the impact of Lilia's final act bringing her peace like she's never known, Patti's performance. Just incredible ❤
I don’t think we’re done with the Salem 7, I only counted 5 bodies hit the floor. Er, ceiling…
That aside, I had goosebumps the whole second half of this episode. Patti Lupone knocked it out of the park and Aubrey Plaza was MADE to play Death!
i think the finale will be trying to deal with Death that probably wants Teen's body.. and all this is part of his Hex and not a real Witches' Road
Yeah, we didn’t see the owl or the wolf
Because bird can fly and escape death
My son and I just finished watching and we were utterly speechless. Throughout the episode we both just kept going "THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD."
The way Jen screams No to Lilia just pierced my Heart knowing what was about to probably happen 😢
Someone made a comment after watching a few of the press junket things, where the entire coven, Joe Locke included, were spilling the tea about their chat group (it's called Coven... something?) anyway, point is that they all became incredibly close friends, more even than normal "show families", and still keep in almost daily touch with each other.
She pointed out that Joe Locke, already frighteningly talented, had spent MONTHS of almost non-stop time watching, learning from, and getting advice and hints from:
The Mistress of Comedy Movies
The Queen of the TV Sitcom
The Priestess of Comedians
The Knight of "Find-a-show-she-HASN'T-been-in"
The Lurker in the Quirky and Darkest Roles
and The Goddess of Musical Theatre herself.
I predict his name appearing across a LOT of casting directors' desks...
And he 100% deserves EVERY role he gets cast for.
I think this episode was absolute perfection because the showrunner also directed this episode. It was like she was taking it all and putting it into her hands so that no one touches what she wants to do with this episode. And it turned out PERFECT.
Your reference to "Damacles" was *chefs kiss! Bravo!
You guys GET IT. this episode is a masterclass in writing and acting in a full season of stellar writing and acting. So great to be back on this caliber in the MCU 🤟
Nonlinear storytelling truly makes this shine! This might be my favorite episode of a marvel show ever. It’s stunning
8:51 “They don’t have a ton of chill, but I appreciate their choreography 🧐” I CACKLED 💀💀 Also, RIP LILLIA 🪦🥹
To me, "I loved being a witch" has the same emotional weight as "what is grief if not love persevering?". Hands down the best writing on ANY Marvel show. Hell, this episode and the buildup behind it has some of the best writing in the entire MCU.
RIP, Lilia, witch queen of the Romani.
Updated theory:
Every witch in the coven has cheated death somehow and the road is meant to bring them down death - Agatha by stealing people’s life energy, Lilia by sending tragedies and running away from them, Alice through her mom’s protection spell and Jen by surviving centuries despite having her power confiscated. At the end of the road they’ll all die one way or another.
Also a theory - the road is a hex by Billie:
- Agatha didn’t recognize it though she’s been there before
- the Salem 7 and rio entered it even though they weren’t in the coven
- it’s under west view (the failed subway. System is there
- all the references are billie’s pop culture world, like in Wanda vision where everything referenced sitcoms
- Billie has been the catalyst for every event there
- everything Billie guesses comes true (Jen’s trial where he assumes there’s a sous vide, this trial where he wishes for lillia and she appears.
The last trial will be him trusting Agatha to take some of his power so the hex dissolved without killing him
I agree 100%. I think he’s dreamwalking himself onto the road which is why we saw him with his crown during his reveal.
Ohhh they all cheated death! Even Billy did. Oh my. It has so many layers
I can totally see this and it would actually explain so much of Agatha. Agatha, despite not having her powers, was shown to be a very confident and strategic character in WandaVision, the mad lady tried to 1v1 the Scarlet Witch, knowing full well how powerful she is! Now some of the time she's seemingly lost and has little idea of what is going on, I can totally see this as her putting on an act because she knows this isn't the Witches Road proper.
Though this would also even better explain Agatha's predicament. She's aware she's in another Scarlet Witch-tier threat/hex, but she's without her magic at all this time? She should be scared, lul.
@@Kanriel and she told Billy him and his mother have the same tell… she knows
its been confirmed that 4 witches will survive the road
I haven't been this blown away by an episode about time apprehension since The Constant in the LOST series. Simply superb.
The writing for this one was insane!!
I can just see you guys trying to walk out the room with all the swords behind you fanning out like a peacock.
Assuming I did the math right there are over 81 billion possible combinations for that reading.
Sheesh
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you did the calculation with only 5 cards when they need to align 7 (Queen of Cups, Three of Pentacles, Knight of Wands, High Priestess, Three of Swords, Tower Reversed and Death). It's actually much, MUCH more than that !
Assuming that each card can be upright or reversed and that the deck is composed of 78 cards (like in the Tarot de Marseille) we have to do : (78×2)×(77×2) ×(76×2)×(75×2)×(74×2)×(73×2)×(72×2)
Which is equal to 1.7 millions of billions of combinations. If Agatha places one card per second it would take her more than 378 millions years to try them all out 💀
@@piedan_ And that assumes she's laying them down in a sorted order. If she's shuffling and drawing it takes even longer, as the probability to lay down a fresh combination goes down from 100% for the first try to 1-in-1.7e15. Not doing the math right now, but I can imagine how many tries it takes to just get the last missing combination with a 95% chance...
Which, btw, also the the overall number of tries to get the right combination, as she doesn't need to lay all of them, just the right one.
"Hey, you want straight answers, ask a straight lady." This show is so GAY and I love it! 😌 Death is a lesbian. 💁♀️
Let's go lesbians! 🏳️🌈
Grateful for the male representation too. As a gay man.
Death has no gender
@@noniche1387 In the Marvel comics it's "Lady Death" so lol
This episode really hammered down the themes of this show. You can't run from yourself and must face the inevitable and if you try not to, bad things will happen. Great writing, this was so well acted. This episode deserves attention!
Yes! I was so excited for you guys to get to this episode when I saw it last night! Also, might I say the turn around time is so impressive!
Someone pointed out Loki and Lilia timeslip AND walk out to embrace their power alone to save their people. She earned that crown.
i saw a comment on twitter that's my headcannon now that Lilia after the fall goes back to being a child to live the gaps she said she skipped back with her original coven to die with them
I think that’s canon. Certainly seemed to be implied
I was so emotional when she was saying her goodbyes to them, and then got so caught up in her savagely ending the 7, that when the needle dropped with that credits song, I gasped a sob and broke into tears.
I've been saying since episode 4 of Daredevil S2 (Punisher's cemetery monologue) that these shows get overlooked for awards they probably deserve simply because they're comic book shows. Hopefully this amazing episode will break through that stigma, that glass ceiling, and allow incredible achievements to be properly recognized regardless of the medium they occupy.
Jay's "Patti..." at 11:00. 😭
Excellent arch for Patti "Lilia" LuPone. Bravo.
11:43 We didn´t see her dying.🤞
Ahhh, the song 😩. Time in a bottle.
This episode was Outstanding, I loved it.
I understand where Billy is coming from...Rebecca Kaplain birthed William Kaplain and raised "the body" for 13 years and was his mother for 3 after before he felt comfortable enough to say he was Billy Maximoff. So yeah...he has a "mother" and he's referring to Rebecca. Let's not erase Rebecca
This episode cinched AAA as my favorite MCU series.
Patti LuPone as Lilia was laying in the cut (mud, if you will?), only the re-emerge as the show's MVP. What a great episode!
She pretty much commands any stage that she is on. The other actors are professionals, but they might have felt that they were also working with a legend.
One of the best things I've seen all year. And it's Agatha All Along.
What a brilliant episode with everything paying off. This rivals Doctor Who, that TNG episode and Arrival (watch that if you haven't, it's so good).
Love how they framed all the characters as the tarrot cards, and we've seen it all throughout the show. I even remember noticing Jen doing that pose but then it made sense right away, as she was doing a presentation.
Also Reverse Gravity is a dope spell.
Adam's deep appreciation of this episode in real time is everything I wanted. This was a masterclass in writing, directing, cinematography, music, and acting. And Patti LuPone DELIVERED. 🩵
Jenn saying "teenager" was teens full name like that made me laugh so hard
Theory: Billy’s “reunion” is going to be with William and not Tommy. Their souls are going to merge and he’ll get the full memories of both Billy and William, embracing that he is both Kaplan and Maximoff in full. That’s “what’s missing” that the Road is going to give him.
I love this and accept this headcanon until it becomes actual canon, or the show does something else.
Please give me smartly written episodes with heart every single time. Easily the best episode thus far and Patti LuPone will forever be a LEGEND ❤
Also Jay - as a dad; Jim Croce and his "Time in a Bottle" -- wrote it for his newborn son, died before 30. So sad but what a beautiful song.
Yeah I agree best episode for sure, just superbly written and acted, that last sequence when she reads herself…. Holy I’m still shook that hit me hard
Subtle touch of adding Quicksilver’s song from X-Men Days of Future past at the end of the episode.
I agree its the best episode of Marvel TV, for me is right there with Moonknight’s episode in which Oscar Isaac reveal how his split personality happened.
Give Patty all of the emmys!
2:02 no, currently Billy has no memories of Wanda
My favourite episode! I'd love to see you rewatch it and go through it again together :)
fck. I've watched that scene over and over again and I still feel emotional. what a way to go. Lilia took it like a champ 😭
To set an episode like this up! it takes so much work and we have to acknowledge that!
we can't just say this episode was well written, it is imperative that the entire show is well written to pull this off!
That no!! With her voice cracking as the iron maiden closed hits me every time
What an incredible use of elipsis, flashbacks, flashforwards all at the same time, the best use I've seen in a while
it at like that iconic shot in spider-verse, lilia wasn’t falling. she was rising.
One of the great screen deaths
Then think how she had to thread her performance through several episodes so that the flashbacks would pay off
Then there is the writing…
This is how you do TV - brilliant
Here's to the Witches Who Lunch! Everybody Laugh!
LuPone was phenomenal
This was very River Song-esque with her living her life out of order compared to the other characters.
This episode solidified Lilia as my favorite character I wish she sung more tho I LOVE PATTI
It was all over the place and made so much sense at the same time. Great episode
This episode had be glued to the screen, and in the end I was in tears. Some of the best writing I’ve seen from Marvel, some of the best writing I’ve seen on tv in a very long time.
I love when the timer shows up! And I agree very much!!
give patti and jac schaeffer all the awards right now
That, Adam, is who Patti Lupone is.
Completely caught by surprise with this show. Because this was announced alongside Secret Invasion, Thor 4, and Quantumania I had zero hope that this show would be good at all given how off the mark they we're for a couple years there. This is fantastic! And with the theme changes every episode, it does feel like a true continuation of WandaVision rather than a one off series!
They really used the Quicksilver song for the credits in the series where Evan Peters isn't Quicksilver?!😂
Master. Class. Writing. Nothing more to say. Best episode yet!
An absolute masterpiece of television ❤️
This episode was amazing! This was on par to any of the River Song Doctor Who episodes, with all the intense writing, the planning, being out of sequence👏🏽Cristin Milioti is gonna have some competition for that Emmy win! Patti Lupone, ladies and gents!🤩
Jay was extra goofy today. Loved it!! And Patti Lupone is a 👑👑👑
Меньшего я и не ожидал от Петти Люпон в этом эпизоде. Это были её 30 минут славы. Браво
Jac Schaeffer needs to be given the keys to the spooky/magic corner of Marvel and let her oversee all those projects.
If Agatha makes it out of this I’d love to see her take the Doctor Strange spot in the Midnight Sons.
Hell, maybe she can even be the one to crack the seemingly impossible task of writing a movie where a vampire hunter kills a bunch of vampires.